Carl (Teaneck, USA)
Jutta (Merida, Venezuela)
Franz (Merida, Venezuela)
Space, Time, Labour, Emancipation XII
FROM PHYSICAL TO INTELLECTUAL LABOUR
3rd April, 2001
SLIGHTLY EDITED, ORIGINAL VERSION
( Please take
the remaining typographic errors as Pandemonium Greetings;
it absorbs too much valuable "time" to correct them all! Chats, by their
very nature, are not perfect scientific treatises.)
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SAYING: HI!
You have just entered room "juttaschmi
Chat44."
juttaschmi:Fine
job, Carl. :-)
CarlzimC:
Hi, Franz
panta98:Hi!
Carl & Jutta!
juttaschmi:Where
is Stella, Franz? - Unfortunately, Iris will not be able to join us tonight.
panta98:Stella
just wrote a line -- she is dead tired, has to go to bed!
juttaschmi:Oh
no. I'm sorry to hear that.
juttaschmi:What
about our Germanic Heroe?
panta98:Me
too! Awaiting Juergen!
juttaschmi:And
what about Jürgen, Franz?
panta98:Heard
nothing from the Warlords on the German Front!
juttaschmi:You
say it, Franz. Carl, have you seen our Germanic Warlord?
CarlzimC:All
quiet on he Western front
panta98:Juergen
said that he would surely come. We could expect him any moment from now!
juttaschmi:Ah,
I can see clearly now, Carl.
CarlzimC:Excellent
panta98:Frances
just called Juergen, he is on his way, but can't make it tonight; he'll
reach home only very late.
panta98:And
he must go to work very early.
THE FIREWORK BEGINS
juttaschmi:Okay,
then let's proceed with the introduction, Franz.
CarlzimC:Please
proceed, Franz
panta98:Well,
folks, the pioneers, the "Three Musketeers" will have to hold up the Pandemonium
Flag all alone!
juttaschmi:No
problem, here we go.
CarlzimC:Aux
armes, cityoens!
panta98:Continuing
the comments that I made last time, concerning the global system, I would
like to make a few ad hoc remarks about the global transformation
from physical to intellectual labour, and its effects on our daily deeds
and thoughts.
juttaschmi:Carl,
it is always good to see you around! Let's go for it!
panta98:Is
that OK with you?
juttaschmi:Perfectly
fine, Franz.
juttaschmi:Let
me switch to the green, green grass of home -colour. ...
panta98:In
any case, this labour system is in permanent "crisis" as a result of its
alienated, alienating essence. Within a closed system, the only "development"
possible is of an internal, intensive, even (affirmative, at rest), uneven
(negative, in motion) and combined (synthetic, evolutionary and revolutionary
) nature, hence, the "global crisis" prevails from within the globe itself.
CarlzimC:
I
will save the chat log.
juttaschmi:D'accord,
Franz. Thanks Carl.
panta98:Yes,
all please save it.
juttaschmi:Globalization
is the globalization of the permanent crisis of the system.
juttaschmi:Crisis
is or are exported to all four corners of the globe.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta, Globalization = Crisisization.
CarlzimC:
Crisis
is the culture of the NWO.
juttaschmi:The
animal diseases will soon spread all over the planet, and there won't be
a single place anymore where you could find sane and healthy animals -
this also applies to fruits/vegetables.
panta98: And
what a "culture", Carl? A Mad, Dying Culture, as Christopher Caudwell once
upon a time explained.
CarlzimC:
Fish?
juttaschmi:This
equals to the introduction of the globalized "food" production.
panta98: Agreed,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:Fishes
are also heavily contaminated, Carl. Just think of all the metals they
contain.
CarlzimC:Mind
control, guys.
CarlzimC:Let
them eat cake.
juttaschmi:Body
Control - part and parcel of Mind Control, exactly, Carl.
CarlzimC:Where
is Marie Antionette?
juttaschmi:Did
you know, that you cannot even eat cake or tart anymore, Carl? The gelatine
they use for this bakery stuff is contaminated with Mad Cow Disease too.
juttaschmi:-
The headless lady, Carl?
CarlzimC:
However,
a new alliance of intellectual workers is arising on the web.
panta98:Yes,
she enjoyed "revolutionary" rationale!
juttaschmi:She
would have all the reasons of this world to lose her head about the globalization
of the food "crisis".
CarlzimC:Lost
her head.
juttaschmi:She
surely did.
panta98:But,
not because she fell in love with Danton or Robespierre!
juttaschmi:Nope,
Franz.
panta98:Proceeding,
,,,,
juttaschmi:But
please continue, Franz.
panta98:Also,
this "globe" is within History itself -- is a negligible, infinitesimal
entity! Artificially, cloned, it is just being blown up by Man to gigantic,
majestic dimensions, and it may burst like a soap bubble very soon!
panta98:Using
Labour's very own formal-logical, spatial-temporal categories, let us revise
its current inexorable trend towards so-called globalization and galactization.
Labour, in any case, had been globalized since millennia, is galacticized
since aeons already.
juttaschmi:Precisely
so, Franz.
panta98:Firstly,
however, let us recollect and clarify some fundamental related issues.
CarlzimC:Dell
tekkies spent more than 50 hours with me on phone - Helped me develop a
state of the art PC.
panta98:Within
the framework of "consciousness", a result of multiple educational indoctrination,
we all find ourselves at different levels (action), degrees (thought)and
mensions (excellence) of labour "history".
panta98:This
simply means, that everybody that ever lived, are living, and will still
live on Earth, find themselves spatially and temporally somewhere, exist
in sometime, all across "history". Nobody really lives in the precise,
in the selected formal-logical "moment'; nobody lives in the so-called
"present", in the hic et nunc.
CarlzimC:Growing
alliance of hornets on web.
juttaschmi:Dell
Tekkies are part of the intellectual labourers today, Carl.
CarlzimC:I
met Dell hornets, though.
juttaschmi:The
strange thing is, that what you just said affects primarily the mind, Franz.
As for the bodies, they are all "gleichgeschaltet" (equalized) on a global
level.
panta98:True,
Jutta.
CarlzimC:They
can't control our spirit.
juttaschmi:The
bodies surely live the globalized reality of the year 2001, although the
minds don't.
panta98:Who
knows, Carl, with spirits, or with ghosts!
juttaschmi:What
is the difference between spirit and mind, Carl?
CarlzimC:
Not supernatural.
panta98:And
Intellect, Jutta?
juttaschmi:And
Reason, Franz?
panta98:And
Soul?
juttaschmi:
Soul
and spirit sound alike.
CarlzimC:
The higher level of the subconscious-lives in the future.
juttaschmi:
Soul
is the religious version of the spirit, so to speak.
CarlzimC:
Forget the religious stuff.
juttaschmi:So
the soul and/or spirit are still time-bound, Carl?
CarlzimC:Not
bound at all.
panta98:Anyhow,
related to what I said before ... Read your Ernst Bloch, in his "Principle
of Hope", he explains all this in picturesque and Rembrandtesque colours
and poetic details.
panta98:
He explains why nobody lives here and now!
CarlzimC:
Franz, what does Bloch say?
panta98:This
I will explain just now. But first, Jutta, please comment!
CarlzimC:
Marcuse would say universal aesthetics.
juttaschmi:
Bloch
says, we are too near to the moment we are living "at present" to be able
to see it.
juttaschmi:
Only
"at a distance" from the here and now are we able to grasp it. This is
the darkness of the fleeting moment.
panta98:Precisely
so, Jutta.
CarlzimC:Assagioli
says we can transcend the present.
panta98:Proceeding
... To live, you must be alive, you must be conscious, must be acting,
thinking and excelling, and these have variegated levels, degrees and mensions.
However, here and now, not everything is necessarily dead or alive! There
are stringent scientific and philosophic methods to test their transhistoric
veracity.
juttaschmi:Bloch
says so too, Carl. If we sharpen our instruments.
CarlzimC:Jutta,
d'accord.
juttaschmi:So,
in which terms would we talk about "life" for instance, Franz?
panta98:For
these very reasons, in a closed system at rest, everything is done, is
thought, is surpassed. Its Eternal Motion is Eternal Rest; and vice versa,
"A" = "A"! Nothing ever happened, is happening, and will ever happen in
a dead sphere. This is precisely what Parmenides wanted to explain with
his Hen Kai Pan, with his sphairos, with his One-And-All, with his Unomnia,
with God. And please note, "Nothing" is a
very sophisticated scientific-philosophic-excellent
Triagory!
CarlzimC:
However, a closed system doesn't exist.
juttaschmi:
Ironically,
even Bloch's open system will be a closed one "in the end". And so he falls
behind Hegel, who has a superior open-closed philosophical system.
panta98: Carl,
it is, it does not exist! Exactly this "does
not exist" -- this is what we have as the NWO, as Globalization.
CarlzimC:Global
capital is in perpetual motion - NWO can't control
it
panta98:Proceeding
... The system per definitionem has defined its own limit: Alienation,
Death. Whoever, whatever, whatsoever dies, reaches the "end" of the line,
of the system: its annihilation, which, in any case, like God, is Man's
Self-Projection, Man's Own "History", is an Unomnia, is eviternal, omnipresent,
omniscient.
juttaschmi:
Perpetual
motion is a form of Rest, Carl.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:
In
the final analysis, anything that is absolute or perpetual is at rest.
panta98: That
is it, Jutta. Hence, be it so, ergo, there is nothing to do, to
think, to surpass anymore -- everythingis closed, systematic, ordered,
is at rest, rests in peace. As Jesus Christ said: "My Work Is Done!"
CarlzimC:
In
the Mideast, intellectuals, creative artists and musicians are isolated.
juttaschmi:
Whattamansay,
Franz.
juttaschmi:
Isolation
has to do with Rest, too, Carl. Relation is what has to do with Motion.
CarlzimC:Very
dangerous in the Mideast.
juttaschmi:Something
isolated
is at rest. Something that is related to another thing can
be considered as in motion.
CarlzimC:E.g.,
Edward Said is isolated.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta. What does this imply? Simply that our levels of action, that
our degrees of consciousness, and that our mensions of excellence
determine what we know, what we know about ourselves, what we know about
our Fatherland; we could know nothing or pretend to know everything, ...
panta98:
... we could walk around like living Zombies, could be part and parcel
of an analphabetical, lonely crowd; we could be 300 years ahead of our
time, we could transcend to other realities; transhistorically, we could
emancipate ourselves, or be emancipated, we could see beauty, think truth,
excel love, and much, much more
CarlzimC:Like
Wacht
am Rhein (German soldier's song)
juttaschmi:True
Franz. And knowledge starts with motion - knowing, what you know and what
you don't know and relating the two.
CarlzimC:Das
Vaterland...
juttaschmi:
Das
Vaterland - another version of Rest, Carl. The German version.
panta98: Yes,
Carl. This is the "Vaterland", the "Patria", about which we are talking.
....
juttaschmi:
The
one and only fatherland, total identity.
panta98:The
trouble is that formal-logical, sterile, moribund, monotonous, monolithic
acts and thoughts, over decades inculcated, nurtured and cultivated educationally
into our bodies, minds and "souls", operate as heavy chains, secure handcuffs,
concrete mind blocks and cemented blockades, ...
CarlzimC:In
the Mideast, people are dying for Das Vaterland.
panta98:...
that completely violate our creative imagination, our artistic fantasy,
paranormal intuition, parapsychological curiosity and detective, inquisitive
potentialities, in brief, that violate our true, real, cosmic, ontic and
transcendental faculties.
CarlzimC:New
gimmick today - isolating intellectuals.
juttaschmi:Sadly
so, Franz. And Carl: People are being trained to die for their "fatherland"
all over the globe. And fatherland is nothing else than "national capital"
that does not even exist anymore.
juttaschmi:
Nowadays,
even the fatherland has gone global!
juttaschmi:
This
is why they need the "aliens" now ...
panta98:They
are insulated, isolated mentally already, Carl -- in other words, intellectually
controlled!
juttaschmi:
Carl,
intellectuals have an almost impossible task. The ignorance of the masses
is, what isolates them, in the first place.
panta98:Proceeding
...
panta98:In
such a drugged delirium, with our eyes and mind, we see nothing, perhaps
"aliens" who abduct us on July 4, perhaps some Martian reptiles; yes, we
just see what the system tells us, what it wants us to see: anything else,
in, around, outside and beyond us, is blank, is craziness, is a lie, is
conspiracy, is a bogey-man, is Satanic, is an "Un-American Activity"!
CarlzimC:
Said
refers to Pontecorvo (movie Battle of Algiers) in his new
book, but most people don't know who they are.
panta98:Yes,
Carl, they don't know: "Know Thyself!"
juttaschmi:Franz
- that is exactly what Carl referred to earllier as mind control, of course.
The clouded, the drugged, the contaminated mind (and body) "sees" nothing.
juttaschmi:Proceed,
Franz.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta -- I just wanted to complement, compliment what Carl said so poignantly!
panta98:Proceeding
...
panta98:We
defend the status quo with all our personal might, we defend all
our precious, pragmatic acts, all our "progressive" thoughts, all our dearly
acquired "facts"; we only want to change within Mother Labour's womb, under
the normed apron of Labour, tied to the legal apron strings of Alienation,
id
est, only within the renowned New World Order. Well, giddy up, guys,
ride on, true cowboys!
CarlzimC:
It started in the 1950's. Most people in the USA read
I th Jury. My buddies and I read Economic Problems of Socialism in the
USSR by J.V.Stalin, which described the Soviet switch to Capitalism.
juttaschmi:If
you cannot "imagine" something beyond mother labour's womb, you certainly
will remain with all your levels and degrees bound to the labour system.
panta98:Stalin
always was a capitalist, an aparachi!
juttaschmi:Apparatschik,
Franz.
panta98:OK,
Jutta, excuse my Russian!
juttaschmi:Your
Russian is excused, Franz.
CarlzimC:
Brecht's
Mother
Courage.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Franz.
panta98: Yes,
with "Courage" alone, you'll never excel this "vale of tears".
juttaschmi:
Some
people always have been on a different orbit in their lives, Carl.
CarlzimC:Stalin
was Georgian - partly Greek, Turk, Persian.
CarlzimC:Helluva
combination!
juttaschmi:And
he also came to a definite rest with his socialism in one country, Carl.
panta98:Stalin
was a "communist" Czar, who tried to launch the bourgeois-democratic capitalist
revolution in Russia.
juttaschmi:Stalinism
in one country, I should say ...
CarlzimC:
Capitalism
in the USSR, Jutta.
juttaschmi:In
the final analysis, yes, Carl.
juttaschmi:"Labourism"
in any case.
juttaschmi:Labour
of, by and for the sweat of thy brow ...
juttaschmi:...
exploitation, domination, discrimination, etc.
CarlzimC:In
the 1950, Collier's magazine depicted the overthrow of Communism
in the USSR - Can't get a copy of that issue.
juttaschmi:
If
you happen to get a copy, make sure you save one for us, Carl.
juttaschmi:But
please proceed, Franz.
panta98:Proceeding,
anyhow, let us see the ideological effects on the "mind" of the "masses"
and intellectuals ...
panta98:
... In such a mesmerized, doped state of mind, we don't want to know what
our system really is, what labour and capitalism are all about. To study
this is archaic, obsolete, is communistic, Marxist indoctrination, manipulation,
is terrorist ideology. We are postmodern, we are "in", we are "cool", we
live in the "Information Age"! Excellent!
juttaschmi:
The
sonorous post-modern world, Franz.
panta98:We
do not want to hear about "theory", about "philosophy", about Pentagon
Aliens, about Mars Settlements, this is American Bogeyism, New Age Madness,
Illuminati Conspiracy! Poor You: "Ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be
wise!"
CarlzimC:
I
tried to get a copy repeatedly - Impossible.
CarlzimC:
Can't
get a video of 1948 USA movie They were strangers, which predicted the
Castro-type Ciuban Revolution,
juttaschmi:Difficult
to get this kind of material, Carl.
panta98:Now,
if we leave all the religious, ideological hocus-pocus aside, and if we
becomestringently scientific and philosophic, then we would notice that
our planet,Earth, and all that happens "on" and "in" it, ...
panta98:...
within a myriad of cosmic-ontic, historic relations, intensively and internally,
"experiences" all sorts of even, uneven and combined "progress" and "development",
like anywhere, elsewhere, like everywhere.
panta98:Seen
very simply from a polilateral, relational terrene and serene point of
view, on April 3, 2001, at 2.38 PM, on Earth, many things alive seem to
be dead long ago, others already dead long ago appear very much alive today,
and others "neither dead nor alive" just happen unnoticed as if they were
not born as yet.
CarlzimC:D'accord,
Franz.
juttaschmi:Please
elaborate further, Franz.
CarlzimC:Proceed,
Franz.
panta98:Yes,
now we get to the crux, to the matrix of the issue!
panta98:Yet,
alien to such historical parameters, normally, daily, we "think", "argue",
"communicate" and automatically arrive at various uniform, universal "absolute
truths". It never ever dawns upon us, that these "facts" are strictly alienated
"labour" parameters and paradigms, pertaining to an inculcated infinitesimal
"reality" of History.
juttaschmi:Go
for it.
CarlzimC:Marcuse
incorrectly said consumerism will destrgoy Capitalism. It will be racism.
juttaschmi:But
this is exactly what we have been stressing all along the way, Franz. The
labour parameters are an infinitesimal part of history, nothing else. They
are not the whole of it.
juttaschmi:Consumerism
is an intrinsic part of capitalism.
panta98:Strange
enough, Carl, in the Information Age, it will be Ignorance.
panta98:.Furthermore,
seldom we notice that the "reality" of a sonorous member of the creme
de la creme and that of a wretched terrae filius certainly differs
radically.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Franz&Jutta.
panta98:Similarly,
what a hoi polloi thinks in a geocentric world differs from that
of a lumpen-proletarian in a heliocentric realm, and both, for sure,
cannot fathom the transcendental "spheres" of Magellanic Cloudy Excellence!
juttaschmi:Ignorance
won't destroy capitalism. It is a product of capitalism, of a certain stage
of capitalism. Much rather the ignorant ones will be destroyed by capitalism,
that is, the physical labourers.
panta98:We
should not forget that basically Platonic "Idealism" and Aristotelian "Materialism"
were born in a geocentric slave-holding "society"; and thatKant, Hegel
and Marx are products of a heliocentric natural habitat and social environment.
CarlzimC:Dell
tekkie hornets consist of men, women and multi-races.
panta98:What
is there more to say, Jutta! What you just remarked is the core of the
matter.
panta98:Logically,
their corresponding works and books -- that we are supposed to study at
university -- are produced in their specific "realities". Within our current
educational system, no student in his twenties, could ever read and understand
anyone of them. What we learn about them at college is simply the prevaling
ideology which serves the interests of labour and capital.
juttaschmi:Correctly
so, Franz.
panta98:If
Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Hegel and Marx went far beyond the mental chains
ofthe ideological systems of their "times", -- and they surely did -- then
they are paradigms par excellence of systemic even, uneven and combined
"development". Physically, they did not ONLY live there were they were,
and intellectually, they did not ONLY reproduce the ideology of their day.
juttaschmi:And
that is the purpose of education within the system anyway.
panta98:Even,
in a patrian, patriarchal sense, they were "transhistorical". Spatially,
you could find them all over the show; temporally, they outlived their
own "life" and outdied their own "death". Should something like this be
common, and be taught everywhere,definitely, the whole labour process,
its economic base and its political superstructure would really end up
in total despair, chaos and collapse.
CarlzimC:There
is, however, an educational underground, vive la resistance!
juttaschmi:Tell
us more about the educational underground please, Carl.
panta98:Not
quite so "underground", Carl. On-The-Web! We!
juttaschmi:-
Trans-intern-historical, Franz.
panta98:Proceeding
... In such a transhistoric world, in such a transcendental world outlook,
how are you going to commit genocide? Why drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima
or Nagasaki?What you want to exterminate is not there. Look around, Japanese
Globalization, although suffering from deflation and overproduction, it
is very much alive today!
CarlzimC:
They
communicate on the web in forums and chats.
juttaschmi:Like
us, for example. We are our own educators.
CarlzimC:
Many
are software tekkies.
panta98:How
are you going to sentence a "criminal" to death? The "skin-heads" and "terrorists"
sprout like Chernobyl mushrooms everywhere. Why fly to Mars when you are
already there, using your own solar "trans-historic-portation"? If anybody
ever could settle on Mars, well, then you are there too.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Jutta.
panta98:Why
use Tesla "free energy" when you are already using the Magellanic "Orgone"
of Reich? Why eat manna and drink nectar when transhistorically your basic
galactic needs are already historically satisfied? Are you something condemned
only to labour, to eat and to drink eviternally? How boring?
panta98:Now,
this has no relation to science fiction, to utopias, to religious heavens,
to wishful thinking, to pipe-dreams in drug delirium.
juttaschmi:
Proceed,
Franz. Don't worry.
juttaschmi:
The
problem certainly is, Franz, that you need to know about this transhistoric
reality, and that you need to break the barriers that the other reality,
the labour process, has imposed on you. You have to break the sound barrier,
so to speak
juttaschmi:Transhistoric
experiences are not that easy to gather.
panta98:Yes,
agreed, Jutta ... Long ago, when British kids still enjoyed their nursery
rhymes, still seeing "the cow jumping over the moon", their parents could
not imagine that "very soon", Armstrong, like a "mad cow", would jump up
and down on this piece of distant "golden cheese".
panta98:Just
imagine the transhistoric links between the Arabian "flying carpets", the
European "witches on brooms", and the NASA "Flying Saucers".
CarlzimC:
Franz,
that's the Mideast today.
panta98:Yes,
Carl -- But I just see Scuds soaring around!
juttaschmi:
Strange,
we have all those transhistoric or "utopian" traces all over "history".
Francis Bacon's Nova Atlantis, for instance.
panta98: Even
Michael Angelo, Jutta.
CarlzimC:
Scuds
are obsolete.
panta98:yes,
Carl. Now, tell an Arab of the epoch of "Thousand-And-One-Night" about
coming "Flying Saucers" in the "Information Age", and he certainly would
tell you about "Space Settlements" on Mars in the year 2000. Then, let
us see, who will "believe" who!
juttaschmi:The
countries of the Mideast are the so denominated "high risk countries" whose
existence justify all sorts of "star war dreams".
CarlzimC:
We
need Aladdin's lamp and the Jinn.
juttaschmi:
The
Jinn?
CarlzimC:
Genie.
juttaschmi:
I
have an Aladdin's Lamp, but it doesn't work ... ah, perhaps I need to add
a little Gin! ;-)
CarlzimC:
Jinn(Arabic
for Genie).
panta98: No
Jutta, you must clean it, rub it! Better even, Carl:
juttaschmi:Thanks
for clarifying, Carl & Franz.
panta98: Or,
just tell the Dominican Order in the Dark Ages that you saw "aliens" on
the 4th July, and then experience the caressing joy of exorcist "fireworks"
under your financially challenged favourite back-door "treasure". And we
have billions of "Dominican" doubting "Thomases" today!
CarlzimC:
Vodka,
Jutta 8-)
juttaschmi:I'll
give it a try, Carl.
juttaschmi:Don't
be surprised if Franz and I land at your Teaneck residence with an Aladdin's
lamp fueled with Vodka tonight.
CarlzimC:
We
welcome you in Teaneck.
panta98:Furthermore,
Carl & Jutta, today, any "educated" child knows that the earth is round
and that it revolves around the sun; also, anybody could be abducted by
a "Martian" and would either enter in the "X-Files" or make CNN headlines.
juttaschmi:Thank
you, Carl.
juttaschmi:That's
true, Franz. No big fuss about these things nowadays.
CarlzimC:
Franz,
Xena warrior princess.
panta98:Thus,
secondly, for millennia, Jewish-Christian believers in their minds saw
the "Armageddon" of Sodom and Gomorra as a "reality"; they believed that
by means of the "Deluvium", Jahwe had down-sized the then global population
to a manageable "chosen few", to the "Noah" Family.
panta98:Carl
& Jutta! Is this not an ideological, religious, transhistoric fata
morgana of "things to come"?Why not believe in this also? After all, we
live in a world of "make believe"!
juttaschmi:
So,
from Noah's Ark, to flying saucers, to NASA and Armstrong, we have a transhistoric
link.
CarlzimC:Except
the animals on Noah's ark have mad animal diseasr
CarlzimC:disease
juttaschmi:You
have a point there, Carl.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta. That's "tradition", "culture". And what an excellent, brilliant
link!!!
panta98:That's
the difference, Carl. First the "tragedy", then the "farce"!
juttaschmi:This
is, indeed, an excellent example of transhistoric links, Franz. It always
depends on the way how you look at it. We could probably find hundreds
of them. Nostradamus, certainly, is another (isolated) example.
panta98:And
also Carl's "Revelations"!
panta98:During
the Transatlantic Slave Trade, why were millions of African slaves throwninto
the roaring ocean? Why are the surplus, superfluous mountains of butter
and tomatoes being destroyed on the European world market? Why was wheat
used as firewood to stoke the locomotives in the USA at the time of the
horrendous Great Depression?
juttaschmi:Nobody
ever has a problem with "looking back". Everybody has a problem with "looking
ahead". Once again, we are unilaterally trapped in time and space parameters.
juttaschmi:The
mowing mills of capital, Franz.
panta98:Why
inflation or deflation? Why "Great Depression"? Why an "economic crisis"in
Japan or the USA? Not because of "overproduction"? What do you do with"over-products"?
What do you do with things that do not "work" in capitalism anymore? Where
are the "stage-coaches"? Only in Buckingham Palace!
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:You
throw it away, Franz. You destroy it. Be it products, animals, "humans"
- you destroy them.
panta98:Why
were the traditional agricultural crops of Middle America destroyed and
itsStates transformed into "Banana Republics" by the United Fruit Company?
Why,during the Industrial Revolution did the sheep drive the serfs from
the meadows, transforming them into "vagrants" to be slaughtered by Henry
VIII? Now, why are the sheep and cows being slaughtered now, and not before?
Who will come next?
CarlzimC:Oliver
Cromwell, Franz
juttaschmi:Next
stage of the process, Franz. And "the waste" goes down the drain.
panta98: Fort
Knox! We are throwing away gold!
panta98:
Why does "Prozac" now replace the "Fragrance of the Great Wide World" ("Die
Duft der grossen weiten Welt" -- a favourite cigarette commercial in Germany)?And
why do billions swallow the non-smoking campaign head and tail, Demerol
and Sarafem?
juttaschmi:This
time, "the waste" is composed of millions of animals and billions of "humans".
panta98:Instead
of witch-hunting, why are they now on smoker-hunting, worse than their
bosses? For "health reasons"? Poor "MAD brains", Poor Empty Tins! What
a Holocaust Noise!
panta98:In
postmodern capitalism, what do you do with billions of physical "speaking
tools" that don't, can't "work" intellectually at all? Is this measure
not an ultima ratio, a conditio sine qua non for down-sizing, for rationality,
for rational economic necessity?
juttaschmi:"Signs
of the times ahead", so to speak.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta. Any capitalist mogul -- not only the Illuminati, not only the power
elite -- knows this; for this very reason, as a result of this rationality,
per
definitionem a capitalist is a capitalist, is an accumulator of surplus
value, of profits, whether he is liberal, neo-liberal, democratic, revolutionary,
socialist or national socialist, etc.
juttaschmi:
Downsizing
- what else is there left to "downsize"?!
panta98:The
"size", Jutta!
juttaschmi:And
what else is there to accumulate?!
panta98: The
"downfall", my country(wo)men!!!
panta98:Any
capitalist, worthy of this honourable decoration, is not a brainwashed
philanthropist, a pacified humanist, an heroic saviour; no matter what
he says, or what whosoever thinks about him, he is simply a hardcore democrat,
a brazen republican, a ruthless economic exploiter, a reckless statesman,
a racist social discriminator, an alienating exterminator.
juttaschmi:
Accumulation
of deaths - animals, plants, "humans".
juttaschmi:
The
accumulation of capital and profits - chronicle of an announced death.
panta98:D'accord,
Jutta. Who, at this degree of global, even, uneven and combined labour
"development", did not understand this as yet, inter alia, taking our comments
into consideration, (s)he should again please read her/his Plato, Maquiavelli,
Hobbes, Mussolini, Hitler, Darwin, Nietzsche, Marx, Stalin, Huxley and
Orwell.
panta98:And,
if they do not convince you, then study very carefully the roots of all
"Labour Wars" across the last three millennia, the past States, Constitutions
and Laws, the "discoveries", the "slave trade", "Christianization", "the
conspiracies", ...
juttaschmi:
All
these are, in a certain way, inter-transhistoric links, too, Franz.
panta98:...
apartheid, the holocaust, McCarthyism, Stalinism, Communism, the world
market, education, perverse sex tourism, the contaminated cloned food,
the polluted arsenic drinks, the obnoxious smog atmosphere, etc.
panta98:And,
if you still are not yet convinced, or do not want to be informed in the
"Information Age", then, congratulations, you are simply great, a "great
man", serving a "great god", with "great ideas", belonging to a "great
cloned race", and you will have a "great genetic future". You are saved,
you are part of the grandeur of the salvation of history, of the glory
of salvation history.
panta98:No
further comments, folks!
juttaschmi:
Breath-taking
comments, Franz, and breath-taking speed, too! ;-)
panta98:Well,
it is your turn now!
panta98:Carl,
any comments?
juttaschmi:Carl,
still around?
CarlzimC:Ignorance
is the key today. Most young people in the Mideast forums never heard of
Fanon and Said.
CarlzimC:I
will start a Delphi anti-Racism forum. Need your help.
juttaschmi:
No
problem, Carl. We will assist you. This reminds
me of the re-writing of history in George Orwell's 1984,
Carl, where history was rewritten so as to erase the memory of the people
as to what was going on, and so as to prevent them from understanding their
current situation.
CarlzimC:
In
the USA, most young people never heard of Paul Robeson.
juttaschmi:Also
newspeak, where certain terms are not allowed to be used anymore, because
they contain something that has to be wiped out, like "history and memory
itself.
CarlzimC:
In
a CD store recently, surprized, a black salesperson asked: "Who was Paul
Robeson?"
juttaschmi:
Each
and every thought that contains economic, political, social and philosophical
dynamite and helps to understand the current reality, has to disappear.
panta98:For
example, a "bum", now he is "financially challenged". No more "bums" in
the USA, in the "Great Society".
juttaschmi:
I
saw the moderators of a CNN debate panicking, when somebody of the discussion
round brought up the issue of racism with regard to the Florida election
debacle.
panta98: Also
no maimed from Vietnam, no human wrecks, no Vets, only "physically challenged".
CarlzimC:
No
Gulf war syndrome - biologically challenged.
juttaschmi:You
gotta be joking, Carl?!
panta98:Words
think for the masses, and they think in words; the brain does not think
anymore. CNN words, Newspeak think for them, they just consume words.
CarlzimC:That's
next, Jutta.
juttaschmi:This
is one of the accomplishments of education, Franz. - And Carl: I can imagine!
panta98:A
word consuming society, mentally challenged! Internet, Microsoft, Yahoo
and Netscape will "think" for everybody -- will do "check spelling"!
CarlzimC:
ignoramously
stimulated.
juttaschmi:Thinking
will be destroyed, and words and terms will be the manipulation vehicles
number one, as they could be filled with whatever content suitable at a
given moment.
panta98:Well,
I feel "philosophically challenged"!
CarlzimC:
Same
here, Franz
juttaschmi:
A
far way from the origins of words and writing to Newspeak, gentlemen!
CarlzimC:
Wittingstein
on language.
panta98: Even
the latest Habermas, Carl. Yes, the Via Crucis toward the destruction of
the Intellect, of the Mind!
panta98:Yes,
Carl.
juttaschmi:
Wittgenstein,
Carl.
CarlzimC:
Reconstruction
(opposing Derrida).
panta98:The
problem is that Intellectual Labour has nothing to do with real,
true Intellect anymore!
CarlzimC:Thanks,
Jutta. I have Wittgenstein's book.
juttaschmi:Agreed,
Franz. Intellect is in a serfdom position vis a vis technology, you might
say.
juttaschmi:You
are welcome, Carl.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Jutta.
panta98:The
Mind was transformed into a good, the "brain" became a "warehouse"; another
higher form of labour, and that is what is being exploited now.
juttaschmi:Appropriate
metapher you are using there, Franz.
CarlzimC:
The
brain became - a w----house!
juttaschmi:
Half
neuron, half chip.
panta98: Mind
was materialized, concreticized, pragmatized, cemented -- and only this
is now "intellectual" labour which is being exploited. It is physical labour
itself in "intellectual" concrete, cemented, monolithic form.
CarlzimC:
Ossified.
juttaschmi:The
materialization of the mind is the computer chip. The materialization of
the body was any physical labouring tool.
panta98:Yes,
and therewith thinking, intellect, are fading forever away into alienated
oblivion.
juttaschmi:The
materialization of the intellect equals its death.
panta98: Nobody
will remember anymore what thinking had been once upon a time, what it
was all about --- this is what Orwell basically was trying to explain.
juttaschmi:
Can
Reason be "materialized", Franz?
CarlzimC:United
forever in friendship and labor (Opening line of old Soviet national anthem)
panta98:No,
Jutta. If it could be, then it would have been the end of Labour long ago.
Reason, Rational Labour, materializes, atomizes Nature and the Intellect.
Spirit (A) objectivates, alienates, (Non-Ates) itself,
but it does not materialize itself as "Eternal Matter", as a real, true,
second
principle (B).
panta98:
Spirit is Society, is Alienation! Is Labour!
CarlzimC:On
TV, stock prices are worshipped like a God.
juttaschmi:So,
Reason or Rational labour is that what materializes the Intellect!
panta98:Yes,
Carl, from Ora et Labora, to Filia et Labora.
CarlzimC:
Money
= Materialized Intellectual Labor.
CarlzimC:
Mad
money disease8-)
juttaschmi:
Agreed,
Carl. And Money is the materialized exchange value of physical and intellectual
labour.
panta98:Physical
Labour was spiritualized to Profit, now Intellectual Labour is materialized
to Chips! Carl, that is why everybody is just living to get Money, Capital.
panta98:
Homo
intellectus becomes Homo chipus.
CarlzimC:
Chip
off the old block8-)
panta98: Interesting,
Carl. And this is what is coming soon: homo sapiens sapiens, who
no more is sapient, who does not think anymore; Man will be transformed
into homo ignoramus, homo oblteratus!
CarlzimC:
into Homo dummkopf.
juttaschmi:Exactly
so, Carl.
panta98:For
this, we need cloning, genetic engineerieng!
FADING OUT
juttaschmi:Franz,
it seems dinner is ready ....
panta98:Carl
& Jutta, my new found daughter, Frances, made a nice meal, she
urgently calls us to the table!
juttaschmi:
We
have a family visitor, Carl, and dinner is ready.
panta98:She
made Spaghetti carbonari!
CarlzimC:OK,
guys. Yallah (Arabic-let's go).
panta98:OK!
Carl. Greetings to Fran. Next week we continue!!!
CarlzimC:
Enjoy
the past, the pasta.
juttaschmi:Carl,
Spaghetti Carbonara have to be eaten hot, so we gotta leave and eat now.
;-)
panta98: I'm
sure you enjoyed the chat!
panta98:
I will send it to you later.
juttaschmi:
We
did, Franz.
panta98: Gute
Nacht!!!
CarlzimC:
La
lucha continua next week.
juttaschmi:
Ok,
bye Carl, gute Nacht, and send our regards to Fran.
panta98:Greetings
from Frances to Fran! And to You!
CarlzimC:Fran
sends her regards
panta98:In
other words, Frances to Frances!!!
juttaschmi:La
lucha continua next week! Thanks, Carl.
CarlzimC:
Regards
to all.
panta98:Bye!
Carl.
juttaschmi:Thank
you and Guten Appetit!
panta98:Bye!
juttaschmi
has left the room.
CarlzimC:Wa
salaam alaikum!
panta98:Goeie
Nag!
CarlzimC:Wa
alaikum salam!
CarlzimC
has left the room.
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