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From Tony (email bounced) on Mon, 12 Jun 2006

Subject: Reuben's Offence

My Norwich friend has found the following for me:

Norfolk Chronicle and Norwich Gazette of Saturday 7 January, 1843, he was one of 17 prisoners before the Recorder, Isaac Jermy, at the City Sessions on Thursday 3 January:-

"Reuben Thouless, a lad of 15, was charged with stealing a market basket, containing 21 half-pints of butter, the property of Jeremiah Abel, of Ring Road. The case against the prisoner was clearly made out. The young urchin put several adroit questions to some of the witnesses, and apparently with great confidence. He was found guilty, and a former conviction proved against him. His history in crime, according to the gaoler`s books was, that he had twice before been tried, nine times in custody, and six times charged with felony. He was sentenced to seven years` transportation".

Sounds like our lad – if he was 15 in Jan 1843, he was born between 3 Jan 1827 and 2 Jan 1828 if my maths is right.

Tony

Our Reuben was the son of Benjamin (b 1796) and Susannah CHAPMAN. Benjamin's parents were another Benjamin (b abt 1775) and Mary EMMS (m 17 Jul 1796 : yes little Benny was a bit early...). In turn, the older Benjamin's parents were yet another Benjamin (b abt 1738) and Mary SAUNDERS. The oldest Benny's parents were James and Martha (THULES). I don't yet know where they came from or why they went to Norwich.

But the early families in Norwich were THULES, hinting at how the name may have been pronounced. One of them, James b 1775 was christened THULES in the register but used the name THOULESS as an adult. He had become a printer and was my g'g'g'father. The explanation for the change then that he was the first literate family member, his parents signing registers with "their mark". Most other Norwich families used the THOULESS spelling in C19th. Living THOULESSes pronounce the name "thou (ou as in cow) less".

Reuben's Judge Murdered

Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006

Hello Elizabeth,

My Norwich friend sent me an interesting item. It seems that Reuben fared better than the judge that sentenced him in Norwich. On 28 Nov 1848 both Mr Isaac Jermy (the sentencing judge) and his son were murdered at their home Stanfield Hall, Wymondham, shot by a neighbour, James Rush, who also wounded the son’s wife and her maid. Arrested at his house, Potash Farm, Rush was tried at Norfolk Assizes and sentenced to death.

Rush’s public execution on Castle Hill took place on 21 Apr 1849 “in the presence of an enormous gathering of spectators. Thousands of people entered the city by road…and many thousands were brought in by trains. Cheap return tickets were issued from London to Norwich”.

I suppose they go to the football nowadays for entertainment…

Research on 1 June 2006
Convict Reuben Thouless left 28 May 1843 from Sheerness arrived Hobart 23 Sep 1843 on the Asiatic, took 118 days, 188 convicts started and 186 landed in Tasmania, Captain George Barlow and Surgeon Andrew Sinclair (1794 - 1861) recorded here as a surgeon, naturalist and colonial secretary of New Zealand.

Rheuben Thouless Passenger on Oceanica left 29 January 1853 from Hobart Town to Melbourne, English labourer age 40 reference CUS36/1/402

Reuben Thouless died 1878 #9367R aged 50, born in Norwich and died in Victoria, parents not known

Research on 26 Sep 2005
The only Thouliss details in FreeBMD to 1880 are at Norwich in Norfolk
Death George Thouliss to June 1839. Birth Eleanor Sarah Thouliss to June 1845 and death John Chapman Thouliss to Sep 1852

The Eldorado came Nov 1852 with John Castley 29, Mrs Castley 33, Elizabeth Castley 2 and Isabella Castley infant

Research on 18 March 2003
I have just discovered why I could not find the marriage of Margaret Ellen Castley to Reuben in 1876. I now own the Diggers Victorian Index to 1888 and can do searches at home instead of going to the Library (20 kms away) for each look-up.
So I used Castley and there she is, getting married 1876 #4375 to Reuben Thonlis. Also she was born at Taradale 1859 #21266 daughter of Elizabeth Norris and John Castley. She is their third child, others Mary 1855 at Brunswick and Sarah 1857 - 1864 aged 7 at Taradale. Mary wed Thomas Seargeant 1880 #1367 and there is a Jane Castley who wed Robert Pearson 1880 #1366 and gave South Australia as her birthplace (a double wedding, by the reference numbers!)

Rueben Thouliss 1855 - 1936 #18265 aged 81, son of Christina Connelly and Reuben Thouliss wed 1876 #2375 to Margaret Ellen Castley 1859 #21266 - 1896 #13972 aged 37, daughter of Elizabeth Norris and John Costley, lived at first at Wycheproof, later Lake Marmal.

10 children

1. Thomas Castley Thouless 1876 #24226 - 1953 #22009 aged 76
2. John Thouliss 1879 #12992 - 1962 #9869 aged 85
3. Reuben Thouliss 1882 #6318 - 1948 #2084 aged 67
4. Albert Edward Thouliss 1883 #13472
5. Annie Louisa Thouliss 1885 #14595
6. Elizabeth Jane Thouliss 1887 #16106
7. Ellen Margt Thouliss 1889 #22158 - 1908 #8639 aged 19
8. Benjamin Wm Thouliss 1891 #23476
9. George Henry Thouliss 1893 #32945
10. Henry James Thouliss 1896 #4680 - 1977 #28980 aged 81 died at Mildura

1. Thomas Castley Thouliss 1878 - 1953 #22009 aged 76, wed 1911 #709 to Alice (Marian) Myrian Blabey 1891 - 1975 #2214 aged 84, daughter of Mary Ann Willis and George Blabey, and lived at Wycheproof.

6 children

1. Stella Alice Margaret Thouliss 1911 #23139 - 1966 #20642 aged 55
2. Norman Thomas Thouliss 1912 #35902
3. Reuben Arthur Thouliss 1914 #17946 - 1965 #11735 aged 51
4. Jean May Thouliss 1916 #16787
5. John Cornelius Thouliss 1919 #23901
6. Albert Archie Thouliss 1923 - 1951 #23055 aged 28

2. Norman Thomas Thouliss 1912 #35902 wed Edith May Parker lived at Ballarat

2 children

1. Fredk Peter Thouliss died 1941 #16662
2. Marlene Thouliss 1944 - 1948 #17664 lived 4 years

2. John Thouliss 1879 #12992 - 1962 #9869 aged 85, wed 1906 #157 to Cath Maria (Katie) Donnelly 1873 #7167 - 1934 #18553 aged 57, only child registered by Margaret Rochford and John Donnelly, born at Ballarat and died at Kyneton

3 children

1. John Fran Thouliss 1908 #7676
2. Joseph Anthony Thouliss 1909 #13197
3. Cath Maria Thouliss 1913 #336

4. Albert Edward Thouliss 1883 #13472 wed 1911 #9986 to Flor Emily Powell, her family was in Melbourne 1843

1 child

1. Albert Francis Richard Thouliss 1912 #35734

5. Annie Louisa Thouliss 1885 #14595 wed 1905 #8709 to Fredk Jno Collins
Her first child Robt Jas Thouliss 1901 #4486 born at Lake Marmal, 4 children

6. Elizabeth Jane Thouliss 1887 #16106 wed 1904 #4364 to Sunda Singh

2 children

1. Henry Rahmchund Sunda Singh 1908 #7245R
2. Eileen Brice Singh 1918 #15278

8. Benjamin Wm Thouliss 1891 #23476 wed 1917 #2505 to Evelyn Rose Ladd 1898 #9668 - 1985 #03512 aged 87 and lived at Mildura

3 children

1. James Reuben Thouliss 1918 #21564
2. Doris May Thouliss 1920 #14782
3. Eric Clive Thouliss 1923 - 1966 #1134 aged 43

9. George Henry Thouliss 1893 #32945 wed 1919 #2798 to Eileen Maude Edmonds 1891 #36093 - 1968 #3868 aged 76, daughter of Lilian Ella (Lillian Ellen) Edmonds born at Portland and lived at Swan Hill
735 George Henry Thouliss embarkation from Melbourne, Victoria on board HMAT A29 Suevic on 21 June 1917 with the Machine Gun Company 2, Reinforcement 13 and returned to Australia 17 March 1919

1st child

1. Eileen Ruby Thouliss 1920 #16786

Tussup

Spiridione Tussup 1841 - 1916 #8753 aged 75, born in Dalmatia, wed 1869 #2973 to Mary Tracey 1849 - 1934 #14012 aged 85, born in Kilkenny, Ireland.

9 children

1. Annie Irena Tussup 1870 #26990
2. Andrew Thomas Tussup 1872 #27107
3. Stephen John Tussup 1874 #9475 - 1962 #13740 aged 88
4. John Tussup 1876 #10160
5. George Joseph Tussup 1878 #9766 - 1957 #14117
6. Margaret Elidia Tussup 1880 #9619
7. Spiridione Tussup 1882 #23891 lived 12 years
8. William Baziela Tussup 1885 #3501 lived 12 years
9. Henry Tussup 1887 #4099 - 01/08/1917 KIA WWI

1. Annie Irena Tussup 1870 #26990 - 1955 #18207 aged 85, wed 1894 #1963 to John Andrew Michelsen 1868 - 1957 #21405 aged 88, son of Mary Evans and John , died at Bendigo

3 children

1. Irene May Michelsen 1895 #26915
2. Cyril Jno Michelsen 1904 #795
3. Beryl Lilian Michelsen 1910 #684

2. Andrew Thomas (as Thomas Andrew) Tussup 1872 #27107 wed 1897 #5258 to Henrietta Garlick

2 children

1. Beryl May Tussup 1898 #10412 - 1969 #6455 aged 70, wed 1920 #10149 to Mcfarlane Chas Davies
2. Neville Lawrence Tussup 1900 #27823 lived 1 year

Who is Henrietta - did she divorce Andrew?
Henrietta Tussup wed 1911 #10117 to Hy Barry Jack Webster at Daylesford
Thomas Andrew Tussup wed 1917 #1975 to Farina Marie Hockali, Freda Marie died 1919 #2889 aged 21, daughter of Alice Wilson and Samuel Hochuli
Thomas Andrew Tussup wed 1920 #13702 to Olive Mary Young, and I am unable to find the deaths of either.

5. George Joseph Tussup 1878 #9766 - 1957 #14117, wed 1914 #3303 to Mary Ellen Jackson, 1884 - 1967 #19532 aged 83, lived at Tarnagulla when Thelma was born

3 children

1. Merle Ellen Tussup 1917 #33069
2. Thelma Maud Tussup 1920 #16826
3. Edward Tussup

6. Margaret Elidia Tussup 1880 #9619 wed 1904 #5792 to Wm Jno McPherson

2 children

1. Mary Jean McPherson 1915 #14031
2. Wm Jno McPherson 1918 #12616 - 1941 #15896 aged 21

From: "Anne & Tom Tussup" on Mon, 13 Jun 2005
Hi Elizabeth
Thank you very much for your swift response, and don't worry about my privacy I am interested in learning as much as possible about my family history. I was aware that Thomas Andrew had been married to Henrietta, Farina and Olive but did not know the dates. It appears Gertrude (if they were ever actually married) was between Henrietta and Farina.
As far as I know Thomas Andrew and Gertrude Tussup had three children:
Thomas Henry born on 18/10/1905 in Collingwood Melbourne. I have a copy of his birth certificate which records Thomas and Gertrude were married in Melbourne on 4/10/1905 on the birth record Thomas has given his name as Thomas Tusupa so the child was registered as Thomas Henry Tusupa
Harold (my father) born on 31/12/1906 in New Zealand. My father never had a birth certificate apparently his birth was never registered with New Zealand Births, Deaths & Marriages. As you can imagine this caused my father some problems throughout his life but did not stop him from serving with the Australian Army during World War 2
Basil the youngest brother who was also born in New Zealand. For some unknown reason Basil was left in New Zealand when the family returned to Australia (I have no idea of the dates when the family left and returned to Australia). Basil, Harold and Thomas were reunited a number of times both in Australia and NZ later in life (in the 50's, 60's and early 70's).
With regard to the original 9 children Henry Tussup was killed, I think, overseas in World War 1 (I will check this at Australian War Memorial). Thomas Andrew and Olive Mary eventually settled in Bega, New South Wales, and as far as I know died there (I will also check on this).
It has always been family folklore that "Tussup" was not the original family name. I don't know if your research has thrown up anything on this but if it has I would be very interested to know. It was always said that Spiridione changed it to make it easier in English. I have no idea if there is any truth in this matter.
Many thanks
Tom Tussup

Twite

Details moved with photo to Twite page. Only links to other entries retained here
1. Eliza Twite born 1838 at Grinston, Norfolk, England, daughter of James Twite and Mary Ann Parker, wed Jacobus Andrianus De Graaff, born 1830 at Brielle, Holland, the son of Peter Helenus De Graaf 1803 - 1878, and Annetta Van Leeuwin, who had 13 children
2. Henry Twite 1843 - 1887 #7551 aged 44, died at Meredith, son of James Twite and Mary Ann Parker, wed 1868 #1986 to Violet Naismith Craig 1848 - 1920 #10360, born at Fife, daughter of Annie Brown and James Craig.

4 children

1. Isabella Twite 1869 #11895 - 1942 #30138 aged 73
2. James Twite 1871 #5680 wed Phillipa Ellen Watson
3. Thomas Twite 1872 #19868 died 1903 #5783 aged 30
4. Henry Richard Twite 1880 #5218 died 1944 #21367, wed 1899 #8023R to Helena Josphina Scheffele

1. Isabella Twite 1869 #11895 - 1942 #30138 aged 73, wed 1891 #5719 to Walt Phillips at Meredith

2. James Twite 1871 #5680 wed 1898 #278R to Phillipa Ellen Watson

2 children

1. Jas Thornton Twite 1898 #11336
2. Violet Naismith Twite 1899 #26828

4. Sarah Twite wed 1868 #2459X1873 to Jeremiah Whinray 1842 - 1895 and lived at Moorabool, 14 children

5. George Twite 1856 #9038, only indexed Australian-born child son of James Twite and Mary Ann Parker, died 1930 #15768 at Toora. He wed 1875 #4541 to Jane Warren, whose death appears to be indexed as Jas Twite, died 1938 #13147 at Rosedale, daughter of Jane Suider and James Warren

5 children

1. Jane Twite 1877 #4061 wed 1902 #5562 to John Robert Gunn
2. Violet Twite 1878 #20456 wed 1902 #2509 to William Richard Phayer
3. Mary Ann Twite 1882 #152 wed 1908 #6406 to Thomas Walker Todd
4. Isabel Twite 1882 #153 wed 1915 #2888 to Alfred Ernest Walters
5. James Geo Twite 1891 #8645 wed 1920 #1032 to Janet Wright 1898 - 1971 #19054 aged 73

Tynan

From Kev Tynan Thu, 6 Feb 2003 (my email bounced back 10 Dec 2004)

Andrew Tynan born 1810, Julia Cruise born 1818- John Tynan's parents. John Tynan born on high seas in 1856.
Frederick Stephen, my grandfather had another daughter Mary Louisa born 13/3/1912. We know nothing of Leslie Stephen. Hope this helps.
Annie Louisa was buried in Warracknabeal died 29/5/1957.

Andrew Tynan born 1810, and Julia Cruise came 1856 and their son John was born during the voyage.

John Tynan 1856 born at Sea, wed 1877 #454 to Mary Ann Sprett. Mary Ann's surname gets corrupted to Spredd, Spratt, Spreddy and she is sometimes called just Mary, even Mary Jane in 1887. If she is the Mary Tynan died 1914 #13753 aged 70, her parents are recalled as Mary Treacy and ? Sheedy.

12 children

1. Andrew James Amber Tynon 1877 #21046
2. Frederick John Tynan 1879 #14712 lived 5 months
3. Dorretta Master Tynan 1880 #14314
4. John Frederick Tynan born 1882 #15161
5. Ethel Louisa Tynan 1884 #1667 - 1887 #1210 lived 3 years
6. Frederick Stephen Tynan 1885 #24197
7. Albert James Tynan 1887 #27406 - 1937 #12324 aged 50
8. Ethel May Tynan 1889 #28981 - 1979 #25477 aged 89
9. Cath Mary Tynan 1892 #11084 - 1893 #8980 lived 1 year
10. Leslie David Tynan 1895 #18621 - 1975 #12905 aged 80
11. Norman Victor Gregory Tynan 1896 #18981
12. Annie Veronica Tynan 1898 #16600

4. Frederick Stephen Tynan 1885 #24197 wed 1911 #6676 to Annie Louisa Schmidt 1885 - 29 May 1957 #20672, and lived at Sea Lake. Annie died at Warracknabeal

6 children

1. Mary Louisa born 13 Mar 1912 #15410
2. Frederick John Tynan 1913 #16565
3. Alan James Tynan 1915 #11277
4. Leslie Stephen Tynan 1917 #5688 infant death
5. Annie Iris Tynan 1918 #23048
6. William Francis Tynan 1920 #16347

5. Albert James Tynan 1887 #27406 - 1937 #12324 aged 50, wed 1920 #7005 to Hatty Eleanor Schmidt, sister of Annie,

1 child

1. Leslie James Tynan 1920 #26707

6. Ethel May Tynan 1889 #28981 - 1979 #25477 aged 89, wed 1908 #6020 to John Klemm, 9 children

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