RELATION SPIRITUAL TIME x OUR MORTAL (not ASTRONOMIC) TIME x GOD’s TIME

 

MT=Mortality Time = 1,000 x 10^[Spiritual Time]

 

 

SUMMARY:

 

WARNING: This site is not for “normal MORTALS”, for common people. If you are, never dare go ahead! Move out!

This site discuss, in a very strange way, about what is GOD’s days (intervals), LORD’s days (intervals), MORTALITY TIME and CALENDAR TIME (astronomic, geologic, archeologic) and TRANSLATED TIME FOR yet MORTAL BEINGS (as ELIJAH).

 

This is the nowadays situation of a research that back to the Patent of Invention, FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO, deposited in Brazilian Patent Office in early 1982. Some more good data/information were made available in 1991 (oddy thing).

 

You are to think about the existence of a SUPREME TIME SCALE, of SUPREME “ONE GOD”, and why HE lives in a CONTINUOUS PRESENT, having before HIM continuously all past and future as present. Thus, because of ONE GOD, the straight line you are to see from my relationship God’s time x mortality time, in fact is just a small part of an INFINITE GEODESIC LINE, through the INFINITE EXTREMITIES OF WHOLE ONE GOD’S KINGDOM, that is like a “closed curve”, and thus through it the ultimate previous event (at infinite past or ALPHA condition) mets with the ultimate last event to take place (at future infinite time or OMEGA conditions) and thus ALPHA and OMEGA met in ONE GOD’s domain. Quite like if we are living in a SUPREMELY INFINITELY SIZED AND ENERGETIC “BLACK HOLE”, we can’t see.

 

It is evaluated, like in a FINANCE STUDY OF “PRESENT or FUTURE VALUE WORTH”, that “time itself” has a VALUE. For the first moment of Creation, at t=7.0000 God’s days, such “time” (like a TEMPERATURE or ENTROPY measurement of the stage of Universe), such “time” was worth 10,000,000,000 mortality days = 1 God´s day = 10 billion years (thus maximum size/path into this Creation should be 20 billion years-light: good guess?). But at the moment of expulsion from Garden of Eden, t=0, just after First Lord’s Sabbat, one God’s time was worth only 1,000 years of mortality. It is evident that God´s and Lord´s time are only “relative scales” (as Celsius in relation to Kelvin scale) and that they “handle the scales” as required (as we can change from Celsius to Farenheit, thus same “condition” of time can be expressed with “different values” in distinct “time scales” we have to use). Thus our “mortality time” is “created”...

 

Nowadays, t=-6.000 days, entering into Lord’s Sabbat day, such Lord’s day is “WORTH” 0.001 mortality years = 8.76 hours of mortality. We can see how much more important is time now, in mortality, than in past. For sure the “WORTH” is not the total physical amount. If my company will sell 1 million cubic meters of water 20 years in future, that physical amount would be WORTH some 10% of that physical value, in my financial computations imposed by WORLD BANK and other Agencies, using the models they impose Globalizadly +  brazilian parameters they “set” protocolarly: wise men...

 

Thus, you can see that FUTURE has a very great value. Something obvious, because somehow we can “handle, manage” our future, with present decisions and actions.

 

I guess this starts a very brand new field of work for ISLAMIC friends, for JUDAISM and CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM people.

 

Subject is quite slipery... No sincretism allowed. But there is just ONE GOD, the SUPREME BEING. MONOTHEISM.

 

 

LIST OF SUB-TITLES (CONTENTS). Use EDIT+locate (2 times;ex. with 9.- )

1.- RELATED WEB SITES

2.- BASIC RELATIONSHIP USED IN DRAWING THE EQUATION AND GRAPH of Lord’s time x Mortality Time
3.- ELEMENTARY NOTIONS ABOUT “TIME”

4.- IS THERE SOMETHING BEFORE LORD’s START OF CREATION? When ONE GOD ends one Creation, Starts another.

5.- AT WHAT TIME OUR BODY OF SPIRITS WERE ORGANIZED (CREATED)?

6.- AT WHAT MOMENT ADAM AND EVE WERE EXPELLED OUT OF GARDEN OF EDEN?

7.- SUPREME ONE GOD provide INFINITE PREVIOUS CREATIONS LIKE OURS and INFINITE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW NEXT

8.- EVALUATION ABOUT WHEN THE SINS TOOK PLACE IN GARDEN OF EDEN AND TIME OF EXPULSION

9.- WARNING! DEAR READER: PLEASE SKIP THIS “GREEN BOX” IN YOUR FIRST READING.

10.- SOME COMPUTATIONS SHOWING God’s (or Lord’s) TIME x MORTALITY TIME: EXAMPLES

11.- MORTALITY TIME x ASTRONOMIC (GEOLOGIC, ARCHEOLOGIC) TIME x God’s TIME: “WORTH VALUE” CONCEPT (like used in PRESENT and FUTURE VALUES to consider “time value”)

12.- SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE “MIX UP” God’s time WITH MORTALITY TIME: IMPOSSIBLE THING

13.- HOW CAN THE “TIME” AS “WORTH VALUE” BE CHANGED? WHY FUTURE TIME VALUES MORE?

14.- JUDAIC CALENDAR OR ANY OTHER CAN’T ADD GOD’s days AND LINK THEM IN OUR CALENDAR

15.- Lord’s TIME SCALES ARE DIFFERENT FOR MORTALITY AND NON MORTALITY PERIODS

16.- “TRANSLATED BEINGS”: MOVED TO “HEAVEN LIKE” CONDITIONS, LIVE IN OTHER SCALE OF TIME

17.- ARCH OF NOAH LIVED IN TRANSLATED SCALE, AS “ZION”, DURING WORLDWIDE FLOODING

18.- DID WE HAVE A “NEW CREATION” OR “RESTORATION OF CREATION” AT END OF NOAH’S FLOOD?

19.- WHAT HAPPENED WITH SEA WATER LEVELS AFTER NOAH’S FLOODING?

20.- HOW IS THE SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION OF SUPREME ONE GOD’s KINGDOM: INNER and OUTER?

21.- THIS CREATION, under our only Commandant in Chief = our Jehovah, IS only ANOTHER CLUSTER=CREATION, and it is REPRESENTED SYMBOLICALLY as ONE “TREE OF DIVINE LIFE” linked to Others and to ONE GOD.

22.- NOTHING IS CREATED “OUT OF NOTHING”. SUPREME KINGDOM IS READY: ONE IS “ORGANIZED”.

23.- SUPREME “ONE GOD”, SUPREME BEING, IS NOT “NECESSARILY” ANTROPOMORPHIC BEING

24.- DID JESUS CHRIST LIVE AS VERY POWERFUL active GOD JEHOVAH “hidden” IN MORTAL FLESH? NO!

25.- CLUES ABOUT FINDING OTHER INTERESTING LIKE LITERATURE (NOT FOR LDS PEOPLE)

26.- FOR ISLAMITES (MUSLIMS), ISRAELITES OF JUDAISM and OF CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM:

FINAL REMARKS ABOUT “TIME x time” AND  “BIAS” AMONG CIVILIZATIONS and RELIGIONS

 

1.- RELATED WEB SITES
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ALLAH_or_ONE-GOD_TIME_xMORTAL_TIME-scale

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPIRITUALtimex_MORTALITYtimex_ELIJAHtime

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPIRITUAL_TIME_x_MORTALITY_TIME_x_KOLOB

SmartGroups: God's TIME x MORTALITY TIME (in UK)

 

http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/TIMExTIME.htm (EXCEL file showing computations)

http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/TIMExTIMEgraph.htm (GRAPH ON EQUATION ABOVE)

 

 

 

2.- BASIC RELATIONSHIP USED IN DRAWING THE EQUATION AND GRAPH of Lord’s time x Mortality Time
1st Spiritual time   = 7 (7 to 6.0...01 days) Gen.1:1-5 MT= 10,000,000,000 years Jewish calendar: starts at evening.
2nd Spiritual Time = 6 (6 to 5.0...01 days) Gen.1:6-8 MT= 1,000,000,000 years (Spiritual Time starts at end of daylight)
3rd Spiritual Time = 5 (5 to 4.0...01 days) Gen.1:9-13 MT= 100,000,000 years
4th Spiritual Time = 4 (4 to 3.0...01 days) Gen.1:14-19 MT= 10,000,000 years
5th Spiritual Time = 3 (3 to 2.0...01 days) Gen.1:20-23 MT= 1,000,000 years
6th Spiritual Time = 2 (2 to 1.0...01 days) Gen.1:24-31 MT = 100,000 years Adam and Eve were MADE tangible alive.
7th Spiritual Time = 1 (1 to 0.0...01 days) Gen.2:1-3 MT = 10,000 years God RESTED = Shabbat
8th Spiritual time = 0 (0 to -0.9...99 days) Gen.chapt.3 = 1,000 years The fall; MORTALITY (early Spir.Time=8) expulsion t=8.0

1 LORD´s Day = 1,000 Mortality days (Not Geologic time): LINEAR RELATIONSHIP 0,2 x LORD´s DAY = 200 mortal years


 

3.- ELEMENTARY NOTIONS ABOUT “TIME”

 

Spiritual Time not ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL. But RELATIVE ("LOCAL"): changes with mortality days (see above). As mortal time pass, they are worth less and less in spiritual time. The present “moves” along the “curve” of time, only to right and don´t stop.

TIME moves continuously from "ALPHA" (t = + infinite, past) to "OMEGA" (t = - infinite, future).

ABSOLUTE TIME SCALE is/gives "SAME TIME" everywhere, all time and before "ONE GOD", Whose CORE not in KOLOB. SUPREME BEING is previous to any CREATED.


 

4.- IS THERE SOMETHING BEFORE LORD’s START OF CREATION? When ONE GOD ends one Creation, Starts another.

 

Heavenly Father was mortal (Joseph Smith’s discourse on funeral of King Follet, April 1844, before 20,000 LDS) in Creation of other God Elohim, from Whom originated our Elohim as our Heavenly Father, about 35,000,000,000,000 years ago = 3.5 spiritual time days before start this (our) ONE GOD’s Creation, through ArchAngel Jehovah, our only one God=ALLAH’s Servant as our Only and Direct Commandant in Chief. For sure ArchAngel in our Elohim=Spiritual Creator, had “created = organized” our Spiritual Life in Body of Spirits.

 

 

                                                                      

5.- AT WHAT TIME OUR BODY OF SPIRITS WERE ORGANIZED (CREATED)?

 

Thus, in fact our Creation, as SPIRITUAL BEINGS, started before the Spiritual (Intelectual like) and Tangible Creations, described in Torah. My guess is that Elohim provided our organization, as Spiritual Life beings with individual bodies of spirit, in some of previous Spiritual Time in 0th Day (t = 8 Spiritual Days), worth 100,000,000,000 years. Our first day of Creation, by God Jehovah as Commandant of it (toward tangible/mortal creations), for “probation stage”, only lasted 10,000,000,000 years (10% of it). We may reason our Creation (our “Cluster = LOCAL UNIVERSE”) as being quite like a SPHERE of 20,000,000,000 years influence or 20 billion years-light seen with travelling as light organized far-away on start of first day of Creation (or there should be no “day and night”,  light and darkness). For sure, we can see other nearby “clusters” (Other God’s Creations), up to INFINITE (our SUPREME ONE GOD´s CREATION is ENDLESS and WITHOUT START or END, ALLWAYS matter/energy EXISTED but only requiring “organization” for each Local Creation of Local Universe, as ours, be created by our local God Commandant in chief=Jehovah).

 

 

6.- AT WHAT MOMENT ADAM AND EVE WERE EXPELLED OUT OF GARDEN OF EDEN?

 

NOTICE: it is un-probable ADAM and EVE made sin at end of 6th day, and immediatelly were punished and judged. And moved out of Garden of Eden, during day-time, before the Sabbat (God´s rest). Thus God Jehovah couldn't celebrate the perfection of His Creation... in first Sabbat of Creation: as had been “defeated by Evil”... THUS ANOTHER MILLENIUM (Sabbat) had BECOME AVAILABLE FOR ADAM and EVE’s descendent START THEIR FAMILIES and spread through Earth. Greater possibility is that sin and punishment+expulsion took place in first moments of 8th day, when it was starting the EVENING. Thus they could have seen shining a brillian red light in CHERUBIM’s sword put in guard to avoid them making another sin: the “fatal one”. It appears that to "improve some aspects of human race", the Gods (6 females in Elohim) provided their seeds to breed mighty Sons of God (of Them, femela side in Elohim), but they soon were converted into Evil perverted persons, and spreading it/mixing it with others Adam and Eve direct descendents. Jehovah decided to exterminate such breed of Evil humans and all living things, “flooding/cooking them all”.

 

 


7.- SUPREME ONE GOD provide INFINITE PREVIOUS CREATIONS LIKE OURS and INFINITE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW NEXT

 

INFINITE previous Creations exist toward the RIGHT SIDE of CURVE and will exist also toward the LEFT SIDE of CURVE: as the images seen in Temple: ending/starting in SUPREME BEING. In first Right Side of Curve (Straight Line in mono-log graph) the God’s time “stretches” to “infinite past” (to ALPHA, in ONE GOD) and opposite, Left Side of Curve, the God’s time “stretches” to “ - infinite = endless future” (to OMEGA, in ONE GOD), as TIME is one attribute of ONE GOD and in ONE GOD. Thus ALPHA joins to OMEGA, linking TIME pathways into an “endless eternal circle”, like a geodesic SUPREME curve it “appears” straight line, but is a supreme geodesic line. As our CREATION is like an ENDLESS (INFINITE) SPHERE, the SUPREME UNIVERSE, of INFINITE SIZE (“closed in itself”, at Supreme Infinite, as if the SUPREME “BLACK HOLE” of EVERYTHING), travelling trhough God’s time is like a flat worm travelling over the surface of a sphere and returning to same place (ALPHA meets OMEGA, in the eternal circle = GEODESIC of space-time) travelling through “ONE GOD’s time” (I´m using Einstein’s teaching on how to explain the RELATIVITY THEORY: started to change our usual concept about “TIME”  being something “relative”. It is even SPIRITUALY, in Gods’ time).

 

8.- EVALUATION ABOUT WHEN THE SINS TOOK PLACE IN GARDEN OF EDEN AND TIME OF EXPULSION

 

Let us evaluate the FALL, the expulsion of GARDEN OF EDEN. For practical/Mathematical conditions, we should consider that after just SABBAT (God’s rest day), just few minutes latter, Eve was being attempted to Sin. It was not yet “DARKNESS”, but the “end of afternoon”, transition to “evening”. It is said (Genesis 3:8, Mos.4:14  Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden IN THE COOL OF THE DAY:... (I thought it was meaning “EARLY MORNING”, but I concluded I was WRONG, as at “LATTER AFTERNOON” starts “the cool of the day”, with sun set). Thus TEMPTATION and FALL and start of DEATH condition, all started just after SABBAT, at t=8.0 to 8.001 God’s day and expulsion took place at start of Evening of 8th day. Thus they could appreciate their Heavenly Mother (Cherubim) with a FLAMING SWORD (probably Shimmering and shinning flames at night, as Jedi Knight’s sword of movies Star Wars). Thus 8th day (1,000 years) was fully available for ADAM and EVE enjoy mortality, punished.

 

 

9.- WARNING! DEAR READER: PLEASE SKIP THIS “GREEN BOX” IN YOUR FIRST READING.

 

It appears the WHOLE LIFE CYCLE “SPAN” of a WHOLE CREATION EVENTS may take 7 spiritual “God’s days” as NOT MORTAL EVENTS (FIRST PHASE OF CREATION) followed by other 7 spiritual “God’s days, intervals”, now AS MORTAL EVENTS (SECOND PHASE OF CREATION). Each 7 days phase ending with a God’s SABBAT (resting of ONE GOD’s Servant = the local God = ArchAngel of SUPREME BEING = Supreme Arch PRIEST of SUPREME ELOHIM = SUPREME JEHOVAH=our SUPREME CREATOR-FATHER and COMMANDANT: the SUPREME ONE GOD , Who “never rests or sleeps”, but allways is “active”, stay allways working in an ETERNAL PRESENT which includes all PAST and FUTURE events). If this “conclusion” is reasonable, we may conclude that at the very beginning of FIRST DAY, at t=7.0000 days (in GRAPH), started an “EVENING” where apparently “nothing was done”. It appears all Lord’s works are done in “day light time”, as reported about our only direct commanding God = Jehovah, working only in “MORNING and AFTERNOON” of each day used in Creation (see Book of Moses).

 

That being the truth, our Heavenly Fathers may have had (“organized, progressed/instructed us, up to spiritually adult, with oldest first son helped in that tasks”) their “spiritual sons”, all of us “IN THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION”, but that event is not included at start of Jehovah’s God Creation=Organization. Thus couldn´t be reported in GENESIS BOOK as being the CREATION WORK OF our Jehovah’s God “CREATION EVENTS”. Because Jehovah God is only the perfected our SPIRITUAL BROTHER. He also was “organized” that day. From His endless “eternal life essence”, provided through Father’s seeds of eternal life, as the first Spiritual Son of our Heavenly Fathers (the perfected man + His 6 perfected eternally wives women: symbolized in Menorah 7 flames, source of “divine light = source of LIFE” or in the 2 CHERUBIMs =Jeovah’s specific “Fathers” taking care of first “Son” in Arch, in primordial Home, cradle, at t=7.0000000 day).

 

Examine whole file “MAGENonTOPfiresMENORAHasTREEofLIVEkabbalah.jpg” in upper and lower part (you print it or see it reduced in a photo editor...). You will see what is one “TREE OF LIFE” which at the same time is the sacred Menorah with symbolic FIREs=LIGHT=LIFE as symbolism. Hidden=Kabbalah, as “in CROWN” of TREE OF LIFE (symbol of Israelites) there are endless modern STARs OF DAVID or DAVID MAGEN symbolism (of Israel and Ishmael, as king David descended of both lineages): most unusual things can be hidden at crown, even on top, even of Creation Phases.

 

ARIEL! Who (what?) is ARIEL? Oh, don’t remember about ARIEL? Is linked to king David? Is linked to JERUSALEM? There are 2 JERUSALEM. I and all of You (including Jesus) were born “spirits” with spiritual bodies, in HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, the so huge and beautiful ROCK OF HEAVEN, our primordial “HOME”, an inexpugnable fortress: ARIEL, stiff ROCK.  Does Ariel fly?

 

Did you examine whole figure DAVIDstarFORhisARABSisraelitesANCESTORS.JPG? (you should print it or see in reduced size)

 

David Magen is a HYBRID SYMBOL of “WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, IN HEAVEN, IN PRE-EXISTENCE”, and, as our Lord’s CREATION, has 2 “phases”, as 2 are the phases of Creation: one that is Hidden (the non-mortal phase) and other that is visible (the mortal phase). Some persons were born HIDDEN ISRAELITES, as ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, ISHMAEL, the head of 12 tribes of ISRAEL and ISHMAEL,as they were ISRAELITES in pre-existence and born in such HIDDEN WAY, before JACOB=ISRAEL started “HOUSE OF ISRAEL in MORTALITY”.

 

A broad way is to examine MENORAH as being symbolism of HEAVENLY ISRAEL’S HOUSE and also of being symbolism of 7 distinct persons (male and female, thus a “plural God”) in the just “One God”, named ELOHIM, our HEAVENLY FATHER. Notice David Star is pointing to left (rotated counter clockwise), as House or Israel in mortality. House of Ishmasel has same David Star Magen pointing to right. The marriage of Arabs and Israelites, in king David ancestors, generated our usual DAVID STAR MAGEN, symbol of restored Israel Nation.

 

See enlarged figure to get some much better details. A very much sharper/detailed “full figure” is available on request  

 

Get that in o_savelli@yahoo.com

 

 

 

 

10.- SOME COMPUTATIONS SHOWING God’s (or Lord’s) TIME x MORTALITY TIME: EXAMPLES

 

 Adam created in t=1.50 spiritual time MT = 31,623 years ago. Not geologic: NOT CONSIDERING NOAH’s gap (translated beings)
Eve created in t=1.01 spiritual time MT = 10,233 years ago (the same)
Lived together (31,623-10,233)=21,390 years, before God´s rest

They lived together 21,390+10,000=31,290 years up to end God´s rest and Evil temptation start. (see above comments, sin before)

Add to all such years (before Noah) + 16,500,000 years due Noah´s "TIME gap".

Sin made start 8th day (at darknening) t = - 0.001 (Jew calendar) MT = 997.7 years
God came in cool early morning t=-0.50 MT=316.2 years. (they had a long time to “repent” and reason about the mistake... snake)

Sin made start 8th day (at darknening) t = - 0.001 (Jew calendar) MT = 997.7 years

God came in cool early evening t=-0.002 MT=995.4 years. Thus lived 997.7-995.4=2.3 years “tormented” with sin.

Their condemnation was early moning. But MORTALITY started with SIN = 1,000 years (worth value, 1.0 Lord’s day), because it was stated when they make the SIN, they must have to die. They did the sin, they had to die: became mortals. 

 

The imediate consequence of SIN was their “time scale” was changed to mortal (because of previous God´s prohibition).

 

Sin was not followed by immediate punishement (2.3 years later, like nothing related to 1 spiritual day period). Isahiah was living with some “sins” (unclean lips, in Holly place) in Heaven, just before coming to mortality (Isahiah Chapter 6). Our Evil brothers were tolerated in Heaven (of Arch-Angel ELOHIM´s ARIEL) up to their sin becomes too strong and they rebelled. Then fight took place inside ELOHIM´s ARIEL (HEAVEN, our FIRST HOME), and from it they were removed.

 

 

11.- MORTALITY TIME x ASTRONOMIC (GEOLOGIC, ARCHEOLOGIC) TIME x God’s TIME: “WORTH VALUE” CONCEPT (like used in PRESENT and FUTURE VALUES to consider “time value”)

 

We have here a great “problem” related to the “value” given to “ONE MORTAL DAY”, which is not the ASTRONOMIC or GEOLOGIC time. Strange! How can one thing have one value that is not the same of such thing? Well, Since 1979 I teach the course Feasibility of Engineering Economy at the Federal University of Parana, Brazil. It deals also with Mathmatics of Finance and Economy of Scale. There I teach, every year, that “One apple TODAY” may have a “worth value” of 2 or 3 or more same physical APPLES, in 20 years in future, or the present worth of 1,000,000 m3 of water billed, in 20 years ahead, may be half of that PHYSICAL VALUE, when reasoned in PRESENT WORTH. We get a “number” that express a smaller volume of water than “real, physical one”. Should the water have “shrinked”? No! Its “value” is  like TIME having smaller WORTH VALUE in a given time of reference (referential). And also the referential can be changed (as changing economic situations and real interest rates of one economy, through time). Thus at t=8th Creation day was set Lord’s worth = 1,000 mortal years (LINEAR RELATIONSHIP) as the way to measure mortality, since its start= The new Lord’s day (scale) = ArchAngel Jehovah’s (Commanding us in name of ALLAH, ONE GOD in Him... see our site about Jehovah as Servant)

 

 

12.- SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE “MIX UP” God’s time WITH MORTALITY TIME: IMPOSSIBLE THING

 

For sure, we can’t add similar things (as “days, or apples”) when in distinct spiritual times. Thus, for religious people it may be (at first moment) astonishing the idea that ADAM may have lived some 16,500,000 + 31,623 = 16,532,623 years ago (Computed not based on OUR ASTRONOMIC DAYS, BUT from TIME MEASURED THROUGH HUMANS WHEN YET IN MORTALITY TIME, in NORMAL SCALE and TRANSLATED SCALE FOR MORTALS), ii is none quite like “geologic/astronomic/archeologic fashion time computation”. I confess when I got such information, I wondered about it, but decided to disclose/share my doubts about them (something started in 1991, as clear in this summarized up loaded report, about how I learnead about the “shape” of curve of Spiritual time x Mortality Time being “logaritmic scale”: as one person told me about such type of data for such relationship: see absurd summary in Internet report). Don’t make questions... (please).

 

 

13.- HOW CAN THE “TIME” AS “WORTH VALUE” BE CHANGED? WHY FUTURE TIME VALUES MORE?

 

Depending where the referential is put and as “interest rate” on time variable (God can handle that with ONE GOD´s = ALLAH´s powers), days have greater or lesser “present value like”. May have NO PHYSICAL EQUIVALENCE... (as volume of water distributed changing with future time, when in Present Worth...). Past time has quite little “value” but future time (and thus, present time worth) is very valued in present worth: we can’t change past events, but we may guide present and future events for our benefit or disgraces, temporarilly or ethernally. But for ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING,ALLAH, SUPREME JEHOVAH = SUPREME ELOHIM, all our future and past events are seen and understood only in PRESENT, thus an ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL FOR TIME is only in ALLAH’s TIME SCALE and used by their Servants, the Gods.

 

 

14.- JUDAIC CALENDAR OR ANY OTHER CAN’T ADD GOD’s days AND LINK THEM IN OUR CALENDAR

 

The great problem of JUDAIC CALENDAR is that it mix up two type of things, as if pears and grapes, that are added up as if being of same nature. It is like a good financial Jew man mixing up and adding different things (as expressed with some money/financial value) that are in “present worth” (or in a given set time “future worth”) with things that are in distinct past and future values worth or not converted to present or future worth values. For sure, first all values must be transformed into equivalent things, as if adding only pears with pears (as inc ommon present worth) before be added. Spiritual days are distinct of Mortality Days. Value of days change with time. This mortality day will have smaller value, expressed in relation to spiritual time value, in 1,000 years and then 1,000,000 years from now. Out of Earth, our “local time” makes no sense...

 

 

15.- Lord’s TIME SCALES ARE DIFFERENT FOR MORTALITY AND NON MORTALITY PERIODS

 

LORD divided "MORTAL LIFE PERIOD" remaining for this Creation into 7 "Lord´s days", with constant days (not changing, as in Spiritual scale): of 1,000 years each. BUT such PERIOD is not an ASTRONOMIC/geologic time: only is computed in "LIVING mortal persons". It is like in the series of movies, Planet of Apes, of one astronaut who survived from one spacecraft that traveled during 1 million geologic/astronomic years of Earth, while internally for the astronauts his “mortal time” had changed very few years (Einstein’s concept of ultra high speed travel decreases the time measured in one cock inside one spacecraft, in relation to our clock, outside it, at rest). Thus, learn that a LORD’s days are 1,000 years MEASURED THROUGH MORTALITY LIVING BEINGS. Nothing to do with Astronomy and Geologic/Radiactive tracing, etc.

 

 

16.- “TRANSLATED BEINGS”: MOVED TO “HEAVEN LIKE” CONDITIONS, LIVE IN OTHER SCALE OF TIME

 

Enoch and his people "moved out of our NORMAL mortality condition", also as ELIJAH, MOSES, NOAH, several Apostles. Thus, for them, Time pass (is measured) in “another scale”, not exactly Heavenly (as yet have to die...).

 

How are their "time scale"? Let´s use 1 day HEAVEN’s condition = 50,000 years of ours mortality (Islam). Consider Noah’s Arch as a Zion in a Vehycle moved to Heaven´s condition: mortal time into it is not bound to catastrophic geologic going conditions. (Gen.8:13) 601 years+ 1 month – (Gen.8:11) 600 years + 2 months = 11 months = 16,500,000 years (astronomic) spent on Earth = Flooding time = 1 geologic era.

 

 

17.- ARCH OF NOAH LIVED IN TRANSLATED SCALE, AS “ZION”, DURING WORLDWIDE FLOODING

 

My information is that ALL MOUNTAINS OF EARTH were submerged=baptized totally under water. Boiling water SPROUTED=came out from the bottom of Oceans (Deep Waters), that were raising (thus expelling steam/hot water=generating so Huge/Intense Rains which didn’t cause FLOOD: remember HYDROLOGIC CYCLE..., due magma outlowing into Ocean bottom water, magma from broken Earth crust), and also continents sinked due magma outflowing them (it is like a small swming pool overflow: just raise its bottom from underneath) as also because Continents were moving and separating apart. Thus all EARTH “BOILED” as a huge caldron, and all vegetal and animal life form ended on Earth.

 

 

18.- DID WE HAVE A “NEW CREATION” OR “RESTORATION OF CREATION” AT END OF NOAH’S FLOOD?

 

Clean/sterilized Earth to RESTORE the same Creation, now as if brand new, using the spiritual design of all living organisms of Adam´s days: only the most proper were made alive AGAIN. Those few animals in ARCH were to eat and evidence of great obedience to God’s commandments: only very little of Earth´s life could be fit into such so tiny Arch. And keep all such animals with food, water and manure removal,ventilation, etc.: an unsumortable task for so few persons... Noah’s ARCH was made to transport RIGHTEOUS PERSONS: not ANIMALS. Noah was to PREACH GOSPEL not to waste time chasing/moving animals over Earth and Feeding/Taking Care of them, as if owner of a huge Zoo.

 

When they returned to Earth ground, ended Spiritual Time. Earth had already plenty with new life, recriated (or restored, the best ones/more proper for the next mortal period, thus some aspects changed) from Adam´s ones (using their “DNA design”? with some improvements, as Lions will eat Grass with lambs? God is not immobilized: can continue to act, change, guide, etc.), including producing grapes in so short time. As GOD makes one Criation, can restore it and Start a New One after finishing the previous one. Life that Evil had degenerated was exterminated, as the mighty Sons of God (wives in Elohim).

 

 

19.- WHAT HAPPENED WITH SEA WATER LEVELS AFTER NOAH’S FLOODING?

 

Ocean floor didn´t return to original position, but waters remained raised some 150m. Thus Lake Mediterranean becames a Sea. Restoring the World Water Level and it is to Heal into a fresh water huge Lake.

 

Continents were separated as part of so great vulcanic and magma flow under continents.

 

Noah´s Arch flowed from America to Asia (near Middle East) inverting the trip made by Adam and Eve who walked to the American Continent (then another Garden of Eden, as big Islands of Sea). Ocean moved back, in Noah´s days, but due movement of Continents, Sea Level yet remains some 100 to 150m above the original values, of Adam and Eve´s days, and of NOAH before starting to sail Mississipi floooded. We should not worry about ALLAH having power to recriate/reorganize all things again. Jehovah, ArchAngel of SUPREME JEHOVAH, intended to exterminate the Israelite people and create better perfected ones. For sure ONE GOD has power enough even to create very righteous Israelites out of stones, something we could consider difficult considering Israelites’ design and features.

 

Adam and Eve were expelled huge  long time ago from Garden of Eden (over half million years...), using NOAH´s GAP in time (considering to be as a ZION´s raised to HEAVEN, as if spacecraft, as Elijah). Moved into another “time scale” x Lord´s time relationship (referential). Probably ARCH remaining floating just some meters above the flooding waters, after departed sailing at the start of flood: it was put to proof to see if they had done a perfected work of construction/insulation.

 

 

20.- HOW IS THE SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION OF SUPREME ONE GOD’s KINGDOM: INNER and OUTER?

 

As in the Web Site (long one, handwritten) uploaded one year ago, it was shown drawings for INNER CORE of SUPREME GOD = SUPREME ELOHIM = SUPREME JEHOVAH´s CREATION and with TREES OF LIFE (yet growing), and how relates with OUTER OF IT, as if in a SUPREME BLACK HOLE that “never exploded” (as something out of control) where we live. All “clusters” of ONE GOD´s CREATION are responsiblity of “one local God Creator = ONE GOD´s Servant”, Who acts as Our ONE GOD=ALLAH=SUPREME JEHOVAH: our “local Jehovah”, a God like “ARCH-ANGEL” of SUPREME JEHOVAH and SUPREME ELOHIM. Thus all “Arch-Angels=Gods=Allah’s Servants” compose several TREE OF LIFE, and in the Main Drawing (upload and in Web, without a sharming tittle, but more like a code) it is suggested 3 main TREE OF LIFE sprouting out of INNER CORE, and they compose just the Supreme One TREE OF LIFE (see the drawings...).

 

 

21.- THIS CREATION, under our only Commandant in Chief = our Jehovah, IS only ANOTHER CLUSTER=CREATION, and it is REPRESENTED SYMBOLICALLY as ONE “TREE OF DIVINE LIFE” linked to Other and to ONE GOD.

 

Thus, we may have this Creation as a “cluster” for some 14 Spiritual Local Days, linked to a previous one “Creation, as cluster” (where our Arch-Angel Elohim lived/was probed as “mortal”) and with other nearby surrounding “clusters” (Creations). We must remain “bounded” to our “local CLUSTER = TREE OF LIFE (NOT KABALLAH...!) as symbolism of our only only Direct Commandant of us, our Jehovah God, to remain “alive”, fed directly with DIVINE SAP = DIVINE LIGHT, from the TREE OF LIFE we are grafted and bound into it. Otherwise, if we don’t receive Divine Sap, we get “sick” (with Evil influence, parasitism). Our body surface becomes like “mirrored surfaces”: no divine Light can get into us, even if we are shining as “diamonds”: only “darkness remains into us”: sons of Evil. We die and fell to “ground”: to gather and burn away.

 

Thus we can see our own “cluster” (as examining our own Country) and then start to examine “clusters” that are each time more previous and greatly far away, in endless pattern, following the TREES OF LIFE growth geometry. TREES OF LIFE are made as if of “light” (divine light is as if “divine sap” feeding/nurturing them). In fact all Universe is “closed in itself”, at the INFINITE, as if a “supreme black hole”) and only “TREES OF LIFE” can growth otward the Inner Core, but all “divine light, as if divine sap” CASCADE BACK into it (there are some sites on that, like Divine Comedy). Our time and existence and light can’t go out of this SUPREME BEING´s=ALLAH’s CREATION, which is also INFINITE and ETERNAL.

 

 

22.- NOTHING IS CREATED “OUT OF NOTHING”. SUPREME KINGDOM IS READY: ONE IS “ORGANIZED”.

 

Thus nothing is “created OUT OF NOTHING”, but are only “separated”, like “organized”, as if, separating “light” and “not light = darkness” and putting them in more organized “structures”, as “matter” (tangible and spiritual) and “light” (and several energy). It is like my cattle farm. I start “organizing” the FOREST, removing/selling good trees (some used to make fences, homes, structures, etc.), making roads, etc. and make pasture and electrified fences,  places for gathering/healling/marking the cattle, etc. Farm was there in my Legal Document: just decided to “organize” it into better business.

 

Our Creation (10 billions years) may be like a SPHERE with some 20 billions years maximum distance through this Creation, but we can see endless other Creations (Clusters) nearby, without limit: Big Universe is endless, eternal and infinite, but at the infinites extremities ONE GOD = ALLAH = SUPREME ELOHIM = SUPREME JEHOVAH is there as ALPHA and OMEGA. But SUPREME CREATOR is not made up with CREATED (not panteism; not all Gods made up in the SUPREME BEING, ONE GOD: ONE GOD is in Them), and even less with Evil. Not “necessarily” (as continuously) ONE GOD is an Antropomorphic GOD, but we can reason ourselves as image and similitude of ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING and CREATOR, but not can be said in the opposite way, of ALLAH being or image (not Slavered to it). Nobody, in mortality can see face-to-face the SUPREME ONE GOD and remains mortal to witness if HIS face is exactly equal ours. ALLAH if just showing His top glorious “face” toward a mountain, it melts/volatize as if butter placed over very hot plate: so Supreme glory state.  

 

Nothing is created out of nothing, but all created is subject to laws that can be ONE GOD’s changed/handled, even gravitation

 

 

23.- SUPREME “ONE GOD”, SUPREME BEING, IS NOT “NECESSARILY” ANTROPOMORPHIC BEING

 

SUPREME ONE GOD is not “necessarily” an antropomorphic BEING: other Gods and intelligent creatures can have other whole body/life “features”. SUPREME BEING is not “slavered” like us: allways humans. HE has all freedom in BE and how more appropriated. Result of their “ONE GOD’s CREATION” decision for them, as if being their SUPREME FATHER as SUPREME CREATOR. No one can “see” and “have personal/body contact” with SUPREME BEING = SUPREME JEHOVAH as a “mortal being” and remains “in mortality”, as HIS “Glory Intensity and Nobleness level is SUPREME”: any tangible matter to volatilize/melt instantly. Paul was able to see Jehovah in glory, being sinner. As consequence had eyes injured: later on, healed. ONE GOD or us must be wearing “protective veil, shield”, as those who saw hydrogen nuclear bomb explosions. Imagine be in contact with 1 cm3 of material of the most energetic and concentrated black hole of Universe... And then imagine if such black hole is faint similarity of body of SUPREME BEING: you are before the most INNER of  ONE GOD´s HOME. ALLAH lives as if in the most glorious “fire” of Supreme Universe. 

 

 

WHO ARE OUR Gods and Lords? They are just “ONE” as TREE OF LIFE. They teach you they are the ONE GOD.

 

If we ask to any God who is Him, for sure, will answer (correctly): I AM WHAT I AM. I AM THE “ONE GOD”. How can that be possible? See explanation in proper other sites on such subject. Like “jesus_tree_divine_life.htm”.

 

 

24.- DID JESUS CHRIST LIVE AS VERY POWERFUL active GOD JEHOVAH “hidden” IN MORTAL FLESH? NO!

 

For sure Jesus had none active power of God Jehovah or ALLAH with him; when mortal lived only as a plain and humble PROPHET, exactly like MOSES, unable to make himself MYRACLES: God Jehovah (in Heaven) of Jesus provided for such myracles take place (as did with other prophets and Moses). Jesus lived as a simple MORTAL, PROPHET of His Jehovah God, his great Servant. Thus ALLAH’s servant. As any God is ALLAH’s Servant, ARCH-ANGEL of ONE GOD=SUPREME BEING

 

I made nice figures to ilustrate these computations. They were in EXCELL, but did big mistake, I enclosed a PRINT of it..

 

 

25.- CLUES ABOUT FINDING OTHER INTERESTING LIKE LITERATURE (NOT FOR LDS PEOPLE)

 

To find easier my list of some more usual Web Sites examine

 

http://www.oocities.org/nairsgbr/SITES-PROIBIDOS-SUD.htm

 


Continued in:

http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/time.htm  THIS WEB SITE (file).

 

First article was uploaded in 2nd part of old WEB SITE http://www.syg.com.br/archeology/eden_israel.htm

(written in first part, on Eden, with cohoperation with an U.S. Orthodox Jew writer, who had written on Garden of Eden)

 

In the second part of such work, and separated only to my responsiblity, it has some preliminar speculations about Spiritual time x Mortality Time, written 3 years ago: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsoelyi/archeology.html

 

The same speculations, of previous site, were continued in this site, and let to be “dormant, to reason about” since then:

http://www.oocities.org/celsoelyi/book_abraham_papyri_revis8.htm

 

 

26.- FOR ISLAMITES (MUSLIMS), ISRAELITES OF JUDAISM and OF CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM

 

FINAL REMARKS ABOUT “TIME x time” AND  “BIAS” AMONG CIVILIZATIONS and RELIGIONS

 

I would like to remember you something very interesting for a Jew perspective, about this study and on:

 

What is the “ESSENCE of TIME" and its MEASUREMENT?

 

What is SPIRITUAL TIME? What is ABSOLUTE ONE GOD’s TIME? What is Lord’s Time? What is our normal Time?

 

Does “Time” has a "present worth value" like? (As for long time I have taught in my University classes on Engineering Economics, since 1979? As I learned at the University of California, Berkeley, USA, for sanitary works/system planning/design...)?

 

Can exist distinct "time values" and "time scales"? Like distinct “temperature scales” to measure, with distinct values, the “same temperature”? As spiritual and mortality time scales ? Is mortality time worth geologic or astronomic time according some law?

 

How to relate them, as mortality time x astronomic/geologic time x  Spiritual TIME x Lord's TIME?

 

Is there an ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL system for measuring “TIME”, as for ABSOLUTE TEMPERATURE scale Kelvin? 

 

Is it “TIME INCREASE” related to some type of corresponding broadest INCREASE of  some "ENTROPY like for Universe"?.

 

How could a SCIENTIST face the "problem of RELATIVITY OF TIME", in another viewpoint? (not Einstein’s).

 

When "time scale itself" changes, due RELIGIOUS REASONS? LORD’s scale. God orded day time to increase...

 

Examine just the enclosed figure. You may have an idea of what kind of work I have done and I am doing on TIME subject. Since 1,991, when a “voice” (?) told me many things, along a day, that attracted my attention about the "duality of TIME as changing through time". Origin of such GRAPH. Also data from Torah and Koran Books.  Then I couldn't understand: had to wait to 2,000.

 

Notice DAYtime is handled in JEWISH WAY (as it was when Moses wrote Genesis: no todays like calendar):  starts at EVENING.

 

I asked (in INTERNET Jew sites) help from expert Jews on giving me how are and where are the "marks" used for dating their Jewish Calendar: to reach their exact days, month, years, as used in Israel nation. As Moses didn't write years and months and days as marks in Torah, we concluded it is intellectual Jewish inventions, as Catholic/Western calendar: not God’s revelation.  

 

You may guess about my "strange viewpoints" on TIME and time, with several “referential system for measurement”. In graph is shown the LORD’s Time x time for our MORTALITY PERIOD (that makes drawing even more confusing): it is “obvious” Spiritual Time (for without MORTALITY condition) are not LORD’s Days scale made for measuring TIME during mortality... LORD’s referential (as Farenheit instead of Celsius) is for “mortality” and started with MORTALITY event and will joint Spiritual TIME scale during LAST JUDGEMENT day. See enclosed figure.

 

Don't be biased... We can have very distinct reports (or referential system we can use, as Celsius, Farenheit, Kelvin, etc.) from distinct viewpoints of the same elephant as if we use different NAMES and/or FEATURES/scale for the same parts of the elephant. 

 

Let us stop bias. Views description and understanding can be very different among themselves when we compare similar reports on elephant ...and even being distinct, they can be perfectly correct in all distinct ways as they describe the same elephant.

 

Doctors of Law/Wise men have invented/added reports with falsehoods. Added them to God’s truly inspired Scriptures as being also true. As if having “complements or better detailing” what God missed to make them revealed. They mix falsehood with Scriptures!

 

Thus SABELLIAN people/language/civilization (some 2,700 years continuous history, as some Etruscs) may be equivalent to JUDAISM civilization and to ISLAMISM civilization: they can cohexist in TIME and through TIME. Falsehood will end someday.

 

 

 

BEST REGARDS, SINCERELY,

 

 

CELSO SAVELLI

 

ADDENDUM in March 04th, 2003

 

SOME CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT “MORTALITY TIME” AND ITS BIBLICAL USE

 

 

We can see some absurds when persons try to evaluate Biblical old event in today “time period” evaluated as if in modern calendar. The fact is that the old ISRAELITE/JUDDAH’s CALENDAR is not based in MOON CYCLE (as in Islam) and even is not as regular as our Western calendar (with months 30 or 31 days, and some change taking place in February, in some years). Some comments are given in a Jewish site on that. It is suggested we add 3760 (or 3761 in first months, in most years) to our calendar year. Thus 2,003 would be 3,761+2003=5,764 for those of Juddah’s Kingdom (part of Israel). It is clear that Jewish calendar (as had/has Babylons, Egyptians and other influences) receives a “correction”, as extra-month, from time to time, to correct unprecision (as in our Calendar), otherwise the spring-time events would be celebrated in wintertime... (that is the problem of Islam calendar: I lived Muslim, Ramadan celebration slowly shifts from Winter to Summer, etc.). Today is Tuesday 4 March 2003 == 30 Adar (I) 5763. It is “speculated” that Jewish dates started with God’s Creation, thus ADAM and EVE lived in the very first days of such Jewish calendar. There is no SOUND FOUNDATION FOR SUCH BELIEVES as they were clearly not known by MOSES, and ISRAELITE’s PROPHETS of Old Testament: none Scripture mention such YEAR (calendar of Jews) computed since CREATION. If that was true, it would be very easy to know with confidence the dates of main events of Old Testament, as when Noah was born, when started Noah’s Worldwide Flooding, when Abraham was born, etc. In fact the “time scale” was the MORTALITY EVENTS linking events of persons who were living (when Abraham was xx years old was born his first biologic years, Ismael, adoptive of Sarah’s will, from Haggar...). I already tried to get a good study showing how to know all events used to create Jewish Calendar in order to get todays Jewish calendar date, please inform me: o_savelli@yahoo.com

 

For sure my studies are “rough” in what is related to exact values for calendar year. Probably my studies are quite crude, “rough” (with imprecisions) as about TIME and GUIDELINES and in specific comments on how to use some prophetic clues to obtain reliable (precise) dates for fure events (if a FUTURE event are PRECISELY KNOWN IN FUTURE as they are approaching and becoming “present=reality=fulfilment”, it is not a PROFECY, but rather a REVELATION...).

 

For sure even JESUS CHRIST didn’t remember about all the events of his life that he was to face (and had been foretold in past). That information was as if “hidden, covered by a veil” (from his knowledge). Otherwise he was not human, but a robotic device covered with living flesh. As HAD TO DO SOMETHING because he was “FORCED” in a previous order (as machines do). But he did them because of HIS FREE WIL, his true LOVE and MERCY. Not because he was a “SLAVE” of God Jehovah. He lived as the greatest Jehovah’s SERVANT on mortality. He could had failed: this is why he was tempeted (exectly as we do...), and understand temptation. After temptation, Prince of World, just “departed from Jesus”, made absent from him, but returned to him in last moments, making him suffer (for us, for not fail) as in Getsemany and when was left totally alone in the most difficult moment: His JEHOVAH removed support from him. He faced alone the probabion. For sure Lucifer offered again temporal salvation and to become the full king of all this Earth: just accepting the first temptations he refuse.

 

Other was LUCIFER’s plan for our mortality events. We were to live as if SLAVERED TO all HIS WILL and DECREES, as if perfect/gracious robotic devices. That what was required in order for “all of us” obtain full SALVATION in HIS KINGDOM. None human would fail in “performing like perfect actor in Lucifer’s THEATRE, nicelooking and rich Scenaries, without misery and sufferings. But all our glory and worship had only been to Him, as USURPER even of God, our Heavenly Father). The righteous angels, all those who became mortals, refused such authoritarian plan, and preferred the alternative plan, the other ofered by our humble and first spiritually born brother, who is known as Jesus, the Annointed (by God in pre-existence) to help us become winners. We are facing the harsh difficulties to perform, as good and righteous actors, in Jehovah’s THEATER. This is the TEMPORAL TIME we have to receive all kind of whispers and false helps coming from Lucifer and his Evil Angels, hidden on the stage, under it and behind scenarios, for us perform wrongly (not according to the text we received). And even, if possible, to run away of theatre before planned Time for us conclude our performance. TIME!