RELATION SPIRITUAL TIME x OUR MORTAL (not ASTRONOMIC) TIME x GOD’s TIME
MT=Mortality Time = 1,000 x 10^[Spiritual Time]
SUMMARY:
WARNING: This site is not for “normal MORTALS”, for common people. If you are, never dare go ahead! Move out!
This
site discuss, in a very strange way, about what is GOD’s days (intervals),
LORD’s days (intervals), MORTALITY TIME and CALENDAR TIME (astronomic,
geologic, archeologic) and TRANSLATED TIME FOR yet MORTAL BEINGS (as ELIJAH).
This
is the nowadays situation of a research that back to the Patent of Invention,
FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO, deposited in Brazilian Patent Office in early 1982.
Some more good data/information were made available in 1991 (oddy thing).
You
are to think about the existence of a SUPREME TIME SCALE, of SUPREME “ONE GOD”,
and why HE lives in a CONTINUOUS PRESENT, having before HIM continuously all
past and future as present. Thus, because of ONE GOD, the straight line you are
to see from my relationship God’s time x mortality time, in fact is just a small
part of an INFINITE GEODESIC LINE, through the INFINITE EXTREMITIES OF WHOLE
ONE GOD’S KINGDOM, that is like a “closed curve”, and thus through it the
ultimate previous event (at infinite past or ALPHA condition) mets with the
ultimate last event to take place (at future infinite time or OMEGA conditions)
and thus ALPHA and OMEGA met in ONE GOD’s domain. Quite like if we are living
in a SUPREMELY INFINITELY SIZED AND ENERGETIC “BLACK HOLE”, we can’t see.
It
is evaluated, like in a FINANCE STUDY OF “PRESENT or FUTURE VALUE WORTH”, that
“time itself” has a VALUE. For the first moment of Creation, at t=7.0000 God’s
days, such “time” (like a TEMPERATURE or ENTROPY measurement of the stage of
Universe), such “time” was worth 10,000,000,000 mortality days = 1 God´s day =
10 billion years (thus maximum size/path into this Creation should be 20
billion years-light: good guess?). But at the moment of expulsion from Garden
of Eden, t=0, just after First Lord’s Sabbat, one God’s time was worth only
1,000 years of mortality. It is evident that God´s and Lord´s time are only
“relative scales” (as Celsius in relation to Kelvin scale) and that they
“handle the scales” as required (as we can change from Celsius to Farenheit,
thus same “condition” of time can be expressed with “different values” in
distinct “time scales” we have to use). Thus our “mortality time” is
“created”...
Nowadays,
t=-6.000 days, entering into Lord’s Sabbat day, such Lord’s day is “WORTH”
0.001 mortality years = 8.76 hours of mortality. We
can see how much more important is time now, in mortality, than in past.
For sure the “WORTH” is not the total physical amount. If my company will sell
1 million cubic meters of water 20 years in future, that physical amount would
be WORTH some 10% of that physical value, in my financial computations imposed
by WORLD BANK and other Agencies, using the models they impose Globalizadly
+ brazilian parameters they “set”
protocolarly: wise men...
Thus,
you can see that FUTURE has a very great value. Something obvious, because
somehow we can “handle, manage” our future, with present decisions and actions.
I
guess this starts a very brand new field of work for ISLAMIC friends, for
JUDAISM and CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM people.
Subject
is quite slipery... No sincretism allowed. But there is just ONE GOD, the
SUPREME BEING. MONOTHEISM.
LIST OF SUB-TITLES (CONTENTS). Use
EDIT+locate (2 times;ex. with 9.- )
1.- RELATED WEB SITES
2.- BASIC RELATIONSHIP USED IN DRAWING
THE EQUATION AND GRAPH of Lord’s time x Mortality Time
3.- ELEMENTARY NOTIONS
ABOUT “TIME”
4.- IS THERE SOMETHING BEFORE LORD’s
START OF CREATION? When ONE GOD ends one Creation, Starts another.
5.- AT
WHAT TIME OUR BODY OF SPIRITS WERE ORGANIZED (CREATED)?
6.- AT WHAT MOMENT ADAM AND EVE WERE
EXPELLED OUT OF GARDEN OF EDEN?
7.- SUPREME
ONE GOD provide INFINITE PREVIOUS CREATIONS LIKE OURS and INFINITE OTHERS WILL
FOLLOW NEXT
8.- EVALUATION ABOUT WHEN THE SINS TOOK PLACE IN GARDEN OF EDEN
AND TIME OF EXPULSION
9.- WARNING! DEAR READER: PLEASE SKIP THIS
“GREEN BOX” IN YOUR FIRST READING.
10.- SOME COMPUTATIONS SHOWING God’s (or
Lord’s) TIME x MORTALITY TIME: EXAMPLES
11.- MORTALITY TIME x ASTRONOMIC (GEOLOGIC, ARCHEOLOGIC) TIME x God’s
TIME: “WORTH VALUE” CONCEPT (like used in PRESENT and FUTURE VALUES to consider
“time value”)
12.- SOME RELIGIOUS
PEOPLE “MIX UP” God’s time WITH MORTALITY TIME: IMPOSSIBLE THING
13.- HOW CAN THE “TIME” AS “WORTH VALUE” BE CHANGED? WHY FUTURE TIME
VALUES MORE?
14.- JUDAIC CALENDAR
OR ANY OTHER CAN’T ADD GOD’s days AND LINK THEM IN OUR CALENDAR
15.- Lord’s TIME SCALES ARE DIFFERENT FOR MORTALITY AND NON MORTALITY
PERIODS
16.-
“TRANSLATED BEINGS”: MOVED TO “HEAVEN LIKE” CONDITIONS, LIVE IN OTHER SCALE OF
TIME
17.- ARCH OF NOAH LIVED IN TRANSLATED
SCALE, AS “ZION”, DURING WORLDWIDE FLOODING
18.- DID WE
HAVE A “NEW CREATION” OR “RESTORATION OF CREATION” AT END OF NOAH’S FLOOD?
19.- WHAT HAPPENED WITH SEA WATER LEVELS AFTER
NOAH’S FLOODING?
20.- HOW IS THE SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION OF SUPREME ONE GOD’s KINGDOM:
INNER and OUTER?
21.-
THIS CREATION, under our only Commandant in Chief = our Jehovah, IS only
ANOTHER CLUSTER=CREATION, and it is REPRESENTED SYMBOLICALLY as ONE “TREE OF
DIVINE LIFE” linked to Others and to ONE GOD.
22.-
NOTHING IS CREATED “OUT OF NOTHING”. SUPREME KINGDOM IS READY: ONE IS
“ORGANIZED”.
23.- SUPREME “ONE GOD”, SUPREME
BEING, IS NOT “NECESSARILY” ANTROPOMORPHIC BEING
24.-
DID JESUS CHRIST LIVE AS VERY POWERFUL active GOD JEHOVAH “hidden” IN MORTAL FLESH? NO!
25.- CLUES ABOUT FINDING OTHER
INTERESTING LIKE LITERATURE (NOT FOR LDS PEOPLE)
26.- FOR ISLAMITES (MUSLIMS), ISRAELITES OF JUDAISM and OF
CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM:
FINAL
REMARKS ABOUT “TIME x time” AND
“BIAS” AMONG CIVILIZATIONS and RELIGIONS |
1.- RELATED WEB SITES
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ALLAH_or_ONE-GOD_TIME_xMORTAL_TIME-scale
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPIRITUALtimex_MORTALITYtimex_ELIJAHtime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPIRITUAL_TIME_x_MORTALITY_TIME_x_KOLOB
SmartGroups:
God's TIME x MORTALITY TIME (in UK)
http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/TIMExTIME.htm
(EXCEL file showing computations) |
http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/TIMExTIMEgraph.htm
(GRAPH ON EQUATION ABOVE) |
2.- BASIC RELATIONSHIP USED IN DRAWING
THE EQUATION AND GRAPH of Lord’s time x Mortality Time
1st Spiritual time
= 7 (7 to 6.0...01 days) Gen.1:1-5 MT= 10,000,000,000 years Jewish
calendar: starts at evening.
2nd Spiritual Time = 6 (6 to 5.0...01 days) Gen.1:6-8 MT= 1,000,000,000 years
(Spiritual Time starts at end of daylight)
3rd Spiritual Time = 5 (5 to 4.0...01 days) Gen.1:9-13 MT= 100,000,000 years
4th Spiritual Time = 4 (4 to 3.0...01 days) Gen.1:14-19 MT= 10,000,000 years
5th Spiritual Time = 3 (3 to 2.0...01 days) Gen.1:20-23 MT= 1,000,000 years
6th Spiritual Time = 2 (2 to 1.0...01 days) Gen.1:24-31 MT = 100,000 years Adam and Eve were MADE tangible
alive.
7th Spiritual Time = 1 (1 to 0.0...01 days) Gen.2:1-3 MT = 10,000 years God RESTED = Shabbat
8th Spiritual time = 0 (0 to -0.9...99 days) Gen.chapt.3 = 1,000 years The
fall; MORTALITY (early Spir.Time=8) expulsion t=8.0
1 LORD´s Day = 1,000
Mortality days (Not Geologic time): LINEAR RELATIONSHIP 0,2 x LORD´s DAY = 200
mortal years
3.- ELEMENTARY NOTIONS ABOUT
“TIME”
Spiritual
Time not ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL. But RELATIVE ("LOCAL"): changes with
mortality days (see above). As mortal time pass, they are worth less and less
in spiritual time. The present “moves” along the “curve” of time, only to right
and don´t stop.
TIME moves continuously
from "ALPHA" (t = + infinite, past) to "OMEGA" (t = -
infinite, future).
ABSOLUTE TIME SCALE is/gives "SAME TIME" everywhere, all time and before "ONE GOD",
Whose CORE not in KOLOB. SUPREME BEING is previous to any CREATED.
4.- IS THERE SOMETHING BEFORE LORD’s START OF CREATION? When ONE GOD ends one Creation, Starts another.
Heavenly
Father was mortal (Joseph Smith’s discourse on funeral of King Follet, April
1844, before 20,000 LDS) in Creation of other God Elohim, from Whom originated
our Elohim as our Heavenly Father, about 35,000,000,000,000 years ago = 3.5
spiritual time days before start this (our) ONE GOD’s Creation, through
ArchAngel Jehovah, our only one God=ALLAH’s Servant as our Only and Direct
Commandant in Chief. For sure ArchAngel in our Elohim=Spiritual Creator, had
“created = organized” our Spiritual Life in Body of Spirits.
5.- AT WHAT TIME OUR BODY OF SPIRITS
WERE ORGANIZED (CREATED)?
Thus, in
fact our Creation, as SPIRITUAL BEINGS, started before the Spiritual
(Intelectual like) and Tangible Creations, described in Torah. My guess is that
Elohim provided our organization, as Spiritual Life beings with individual
bodies of spirit, in some of previous Spiritual Time in 0th Day (t =
8 Spiritual Days), worth
100,000,000,000 years. Our first day of Creation, by God Jehovah as Commandant
of it (toward tangible/mortal creations), for “probation stage”, only lasted
10,000,000,000 years (10% of it). We may reason our Creation (our “Cluster =
LOCAL UNIVERSE”) as being quite like a SPHERE of
20,000,000,000 years influence or 20 billion
years-light seen with travelling as light
organized far-away on start of first day of Creation (or there should be
no “day and night”, light and
darkness). For sure, we can see other nearby “clusters” (Other God’s
Creations), up to INFINITE (our SUPREME ONE GOD´s CREATION is ENDLESS and
WITHOUT START or END, ALLWAYS matter/energy EXISTED but only requiring
“organization” for each Local Creation of Local Universe, as ours, be created
by our local God Commandant in chief=Jehovah).
6.- AT
WHAT MOMENT ADAM AND EVE WERE EXPELLED OUT OF GARDEN OF EDEN?
NOTICE: it is un-probable ADAM and EVE made sin at end
of 6th day, and immediatelly were punished and judged. And moved out of Garden
of Eden, during day-time, before the Sabbat (God´s rest). Thus God Jehovah
couldn't celebrate the perfection of His Creation... in first Sabbat of
Creation: as had been “defeated by Evil”... THUS ANOTHER MILLENIUM (Sabbat) had
BECOME AVAILABLE FOR ADAM and EVE’s descendent START THEIR FAMILIES and spread
through Earth. Greater possibility is that sin and punishment+expulsion took
place in first moments of 8th day, when it was starting the EVENING.
Thus they could have
seen shining a brillian red light in CHERUBIM’s sword put in guard to avoid
them making another sin: the “fatal one”. It appears that to "improve
some aspects of human race", the Gods (6 females in Elohim) provided their
seeds to breed mighty Sons of God (of Them, femela side in Elohim), but they
soon were converted into Evil perverted persons, and spreading it/mixing it
with others Adam and Eve direct descendents. Jehovah decided to exterminate such
breed of Evil humans and all living things, “flooding/cooking them all”.
7.- SUPREME ONE GOD provide INFINITE PREVIOUS
CREATIONS LIKE OURS and INFINITE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW NEXT
INFINITE previous
Creations exist toward the RIGHT SIDE of CURVE and will exist also toward the
LEFT SIDE of CURVE: as
the images seen in Temple: ending/starting in SUPREME BEING. In first Right
Side of Curve (Straight Line in mono-log graph) the God’s time “stretches” to
“infinite past” (to ALPHA, in ONE GOD) and opposite, Left Side of Curve, the
God’s time “stretches” to “ - infinite = endless future” (to OMEGA, in ONE
GOD), as TIME is one attribute of
ONE GOD and in ONE GOD. Thus ALPHA
joins to OMEGA, linking TIME pathways into an “endless eternal circle”, like a
geodesic SUPREME curve it “appears” straight line, but is a supreme geodesic
line. As our CREATION is like an ENDLESS (INFINITE) SPHERE, the SUPREME
UNIVERSE, of INFINITE SIZE (“closed in itself”, at Supreme Infinite, as if the
SUPREME “BLACK HOLE” of EVERYTHING), travelling trhough God’s time is like a
flat worm travelling over the surface of a sphere and returning to same place
(ALPHA meets OMEGA, in the eternal circle = GEODESIC of space-time) travelling
through “ONE GOD’s time” (I´m using
Einstein’s teaching on how to explain the RELATIVITY THEORY: started to change
our usual concept about “TIME”
being something “relative”. It is even SPIRITUALY, in Gods’ time).
8.- EVALUATION ABOUT WHEN THE SINS TOOK PLACE IN GARDEN OF EDEN AND TIME OF EXPULSION
Let us
evaluate the FALL, the expulsion of GARDEN OF EDEN. For practical/Mathematical
conditions, we should consider that after just SABBAT (God’s rest day), just
few minutes latter, Eve was being attempted to Sin. It was not yet “DARKNESS”,
but the “end of afternoon”, transition to “evening”. It is said (Genesis 3:8,
Mos.4:14 Adam and Eve heard the voice
of the Lord God walking in the garden IN THE COOL
OF THE DAY:... (I thought it was meaning “EARLY MORNING”, but I
concluded I was WRONG, as at “LATTER AFTERNOON” starts “the cool of the day”,
with sun set). Thus TEMPTATION and FALL and start of DEATH condition, all
started just after SABBAT, at t=8.0 to 8.001 God’s day and expulsion took place
at start of Evening of 8th day. Thus they could appreciate their
Heavenly Mother (Cherubim) with a FLAMING SWORD
(probably Shimmering and shinning
flames at night, as Jedi Knight’s
sword of movies Star Wars). Thus 8th
day (1,000 years) was fully available for ADAM and EVE enjoy mortality,
punished.
9.- WARNING! DEAR READER: PLEASE SKIP THIS
“GREEN BOX” IN YOUR FIRST READING.
It appears the WHOLE LIFE
CYCLE “SPAN” of a WHOLE CREATION EVENTS may take 7 spiritual “God’s days” as
NOT MORTAL EVENTS (FIRST PHASE OF CREATION) followed by other 7 spiritual
“God’s days, intervals”, now AS MORTAL EVENTS (SECOND PHASE OF CREATION). Each 7 days phase ending with a God’s SABBAT (resting of ONE GOD’s
Servant = the local God = ArchAngel of SUPREME BEING = Supreme Arch PRIEST of SUPREME
ELOHIM = SUPREME JEHOVAH=our SUPREME CREATOR-FATHER and COMMANDANT: the SUPREME ONE GOD , Who
“never rests or sleeps”, but allways is “active”, stay allways working in an
ETERNAL PRESENT which includes all PAST and FUTURE events). If this
“conclusion” is reasonable, we may conclude that at the very beginning of FIRST
DAY, at t=7.0000 days (in GRAPH), started an “EVENING” where apparently “nothing was done”. It
appears all Lord’s works are done in “day light time”, as reported about our only direct commanding God = Jehovah, working only in “MORNING
and AFTERNOON” of each day used in Creation
(see Book of Moses).
That being the truth, our Heavenly Fathers may have had (“organized,
progressed/instructed us, up to spiritually adult, with oldest first son helped
in that tasks”) their “spiritual sons”, all of us “IN THE FIRST DAY OF
CREATION”, but that event is not included at start of Jehovah’s God
Creation=Organization. Thus couldn´t be reported in GENESIS BOOK as being the
CREATION WORK OF our Jehovah’s God “CREATION EVENTS”. Because Jehovah God is
only the perfected our SPIRITUAL BROTHER. He also was “organized” that day.
From His endless “eternal life essence”, provided through Father’s seeds
of eternal life, as
the first Spiritual Son of our Heavenly Fathers
(the perfected man
+ His 6 perfected eternally wives women: symbolized in Menorah 7
flames, source of “divine
light = source of LIFE” or in the 2 CHERUBIMs =Jeovah’s specific “Fathers” taking care of first “Son” in Arch, in primordial Home, cradle,
at t=7.0000000 day).
Examine whole file “MAGENonTOPfiresMENORAHasTREEofLIVEkabbalah.jpg”
in upper and lower part (you print it or see it reduced in a photo editor...).
You will see what is one “TREE OF LIFE” which at the same time is the sacred
Menorah with symbolic FIREs=LIGHT=LIFE as symbolism. Hidden=Kabbalah, as “in
CROWN” of TREE OF LIFE (symbol of Israelites) there are endless modern STARs OF
DAVID or DAVID MAGEN symbolism (of Israel and Ishmael, as king David descended
of both lineages): most unusual things can be hidden at crown, even on top,
even of Creation Phases.
ARIEL! Who (what?) is ARIEL? Oh, don’t remember about ARIEL? Is linked
to king David? Is linked to JERUSALEM? There are 2 JERUSALEM. I and all of You
(including Jesus) were born “spirits” with spiritual bodies, in HEAVENLY
JERUSALEM, the so huge and beautiful ROCK OF HEAVEN, our primordial “HOME”, an inexpugnable fortress: ARIEL, stiff ROCK.
Does Ariel fly?
Did you examine whole figure DAVIDstarFORhisARABSisraelitesANCESTORS.JPG?
(you should print it or see in reduced size)
David Magen is a HYBRID SYMBOL of
“WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, IN HEAVEN, IN PRE-EXISTENCE”, and, as our Lord’s CREATION, has 2 “phases”, as 2 are the phases of
Creation: one that is Hidden (the non-mortal phase) and other that is visible
(the mortal phase). Some persons were born HIDDEN ISRAELITES, as ABRAHAM,
ISAAC, JACOB, ISHMAEL, the head of 12 tribes of ISRAEL and ISHMAEL,as they were
ISRAELITES in pre-existence and born in such HIDDEN WAY, before JACOB=ISRAEL
started “HOUSE OF ISRAEL in MORTALITY”.
A broad way is
to examine MENORAH as being symbolism of HEAVENLY ISRAEL’S HOUSE and also of
being symbolism of 7 distinct persons (male and female, thus a “plural
God”) in the just “One God”, named ELOHIM, our HEAVENLY FATHER. Notice David
Star is pointing to left (rotated counter clockwise), as House or Israel in
mortality. House of Ishmasel has same David Star Magen pointing to right. The
marriage of Arabs and Israelites, in king David ancestors, generated our usual
DAVID STAR MAGEN, symbol of restored Israel Nation.
Get that in o_savelli@yahoo.com
10.- SOME COMPUTATIONS SHOWING God’s (or
Lord’s) TIME x MORTALITY TIME: EXAMPLES
Adam created in t=1.50 spiritual time MT =
31,623 years ago. Not geologic: NOT CONSIDERING NOAH’s gap
(translated beings)
Eve created in t=1.01 spiritual time MT = 10,233 years ago (the same)
Lived together (31,623-10,233)=21,390 years, before God´s rest
They lived together 21,390+10,000=31,290 years up to end God´s rest and Evil
temptation start. (see above comments, sin before)
Add to all such years (before Noah) + 16,500,000 years due Noah´s "TIME gap".
Sin made start 8th day (at darknening) t = - 0.001 (Jew calendar) MT = 997.7
years
God came in cool early morning t=-0.50 MT=316.2 years. (they had a long time to
“repent” and reason about the mistake... snake)
Sin made start
8th day (at darknening) t = - 0.001 (Jew calendar) MT = 997.7 years
God came in
cool early evening t=-0.002 MT=995.4 years. Thus lived 997.7-995.4=2.3 years
“tormented” with sin.
Their
condemnation was early moning. But MORTALITY started
with SIN = 1,000 years (worth value, 1.0 Lord’s day), because it was
stated when they make the SIN, they must have to die. They did the sin,
they had to die: became mortals.
The
imediate consequence of SIN was their “time scale” was changed to mortal
(because of previous God´s prohibition).
Sin was not
followed by immediate punishement (2.3 years later, like nothing related to 1
spiritual day period). Isahiah was living with some “sins” (unclean lips, in
Holly place) in Heaven, just before coming to mortality (Isahiah Chapter 6).
Our Evil brothers were tolerated in Heaven (of Arch-Angel ELOHIM´s ARIEL) up to
their sin becomes too strong and they rebelled. Then fight took place inside
ELOHIM´s ARIEL (HEAVEN, our FIRST HOME), and from it they were removed.
11.- MORTALITY TIME x ASTRONOMIC (GEOLOGIC, ARCHEOLOGIC) TIME x God’s TIME: “WORTH VALUE” CONCEPT (like used in PRESENT and FUTURE VALUES to consider “time value”)
We have
here a great “problem” related to the “value” given to “ONE MORTAL DAY”, which
is not the ASTRONOMIC or GEOLOGIC time. Strange! How can one thing have one
value that is not the same of such thing? Well, Since 1979 I teach the course
Feasibility of Engineering Economy at the Federal University of Parana, Brazil.
It deals also with Mathmatics of Finance and Economy of Scale. There I teach,
every year, that “One apple TODAY” may have a “worth value” of 2 or 3 or more
same physical APPLES, in 20
years in future, or the present worth of 1,000,000 m3 of water billed,
in 20 years ahead, may be half of that PHYSICAL VALUE, when reasoned in
PRESENT WORTH. We get a “number” that express a smaller volume of water
than “real, physical one”. Should the water have “shrinked”? No! Its “value”
is like TIME having smaller WORTH VALUE
in a given time of reference (referential). And also the referential can be
changed (as changing economic situations and real interest rates of one
economy, through time). Thus at t=8th Creation day was set Lord’s
worth = 1,000 mortal years (LINEAR RELATIONSHIP) as the way to measure mortality,
since its start= The new Lord’s day (scale) = ArchAngel Jehovah’s (Commanding
us in name of ALLAH, ONE GOD in Him... see
our site about Jehovah as Servant)
12.-
SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE “MIX UP” God’s time WITH MORTALITY TIME: IMPOSSIBLE THING
For sure, we can’t add similar
things (as “days, or apples”) when in distinct spiritual times.
Thus, for religious people it may be (at first moment) astonishing the idea that
ADAM may have lived some 16,500,000 + 31,623 = 16,532,623 years ago (Computed not based on OUR ASTRONOMIC DAYS, BUT from TIME MEASURED
THROUGH HUMANS WHEN YET IN MORTALITY TIME, in NORMAL SCALE and
TRANSLATED SCALE FOR MORTALS), ii is none quite like “geologic/astronomic/archeologic
fashion time computation”. I confess when
I got such information, I wondered about it, but decided to disclose/share my
doubts about them (something started in 1991, as clear in this summarized up
loaded report, about how I learnead about the “shape” of curve of Spiritual
time x Mortality Time being “logaritmic scale”: as one person told me about
such type of data for such relationship: see absurd summary in Internet
report). Don’t make questions... (please).
13.- HOW CAN THE “TIME” AS “WORTH VALUE” BE CHANGED? WHY FUTURE TIME
VALUES MORE?
Depending
where the referential is put and as “interest rate” on time variable (God can
handle that with ONE GOD´s = ALLAH´s powers), days have greater or lesser
“present value like”. May have NO PHYSICAL EQUIVALENCE... (as volume of water
distributed changing with future time, when in Present Worth...). Past time has
quite little “value” but future time (and thus, present time worth) is very valued in present worth: we can’t change
past events, but we may guide present and future events for our benefit or
disgraces, temporarilly or ethernally. But for ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING,ALLAH,
SUPREME JEHOVAH = SUPREME ELOHIM, all our future and past events are seen and
understood only in PRESENT, thus an ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL FOR TIME is only in
ALLAH’s TIME SCALE and used by their Servants, the Gods.
14.-
JUDAIC CALENDAR OR ANY OTHER CAN’T ADD GOD’s days AND
LINK THEM IN OUR CALENDAR
The great
problem of JUDAIC CALENDAR is that it mix up two type of things, as if pears
and grapes, that are added up as if being of same nature. It is like a good
financial Jew man mixing up and adding different things (as expressed with some
money/financial value) that are in “present worth” (or in a given set time
“future worth”) with things that are in distinct past and future values worth
or not converted to present or future worth values. For sure, first all values
must be transformed into equivalent things, as if adding only pears with pears
(as inc ommon present worth) before be added. Spiritual days are distinct of
Mortality Days. Value of days change with time. This mortality day will have
smaller value, expressed in relation to spiritual time value, in 1,000 years
and then 1,000,000 years from now. Out of Earth, our “local time” makes no
sense...
15.- Lord’s TIME SCALES ARE DIFFERENT FOR MORTALITY AND NON MORTALITY PERIODS
LORD
divided "MORTAL LIFE PERIOD" remaining for this Creation into 7
"Lord´s days", with constant
days (not changing, as in Spiritual scale): of 1,000 years each. BUT such PERIOD is not an
ASTRONOMIC/geologic time: only
is computed in "LIVING mortal persons". It is like in the
series of movies, Planet of Apes, of one astronaut who survived from one
spacecraft that traveled during 1 million geologic/astronomic years of Earth,
while internally for the astronauts his “mortal time” had changed very few
years (Einstein’s concept of ultra high speed travel decreases the time
measured in one cock inside one spacecraft, in relation to our clock, outside
it, at rest). Thus, learn that a LORD’s days are 1,000 years MEASURED THROUGH
MORTALITY LIVING BEINGS. Nothing to do with Astronomy and Geologic/Radiactive
tracing, etc.
16.- “TRANSLATED BEINGS”: MOVED TO “HEAVEN LIKE” CONDITIONS, LIVE IN
OTHER SCALE OF TIME
Enoch and his people "moved out of our
NORMAL mortality condition", also as ELIJAH, MOSES, NOAH, several
Apostles. Thus, for them, Time pass (is measured) in “another
scale”, not exactly Heavenly (as yet have to die...).
How are their "time scale"? Let´s use 1 day HEAVEN’s condition
= 50,000 years of ours mortality (Islam). Consider Noah’s Arch as a Zion in a
Vehycle moved to Heaven´s condition: mortal time into it is not bound to catastrophic geologic going
conditions. (Gen.8:13) 601 years+ 1 month – (Gen.8:11) 600 years + 2
months = 11 months = 16,500,000 years (astronomic) spent
on Earth = Flooding time = 1 geologic era.
17.-
ARCH OF NOAH LIVED IN TRANSLATED SCALE, AS “ZION”, DURING WORLDWIDE FLOODING
My
information is that ALL MOUNTAINS OF EARTH were submerged=baptized totally under water. Boiling water
SPROUTED=came out from the bottom of Oceans (Deep Waters), that were raising (thus expelling
steam/hot water=generating so Huge/Intense Rains which didn’t cause FLOOD:
remember HYDROLOGIC CYCLE..., due magma outlowing into Ocean
bottom water, magma from broken Earth crust), and also continents sinked due
magma outflowing them (it is like a small swming pool overflow: just raise its bottom
from underneath) as also because Continents were moving and separating apart.
Thus all EARTH “BOILED” as a huge caldron, and all
vegetal and animal life form ended on Earth.
18.- DID WE HAVE A “NEW CREATION” OR “RESTORATION OF CREATION” AT END OF
NOAH’S FLOOD?
Clean/sterilized
Earth to RESTORE the same Creation, now as if brand
new, using the spiritual design of all living organisms of Adam´s days:
only the most proper were made alive AGAIN.
Those few animals in ARCH were to eat and evidence of great obedience to God’s
commandments: only very little of Earth´s life could be fit into such so tiny
Arch. And keep all such animals with food, water and manure
removal,ventilation, etc.: an unsumortable task for so few persons... Noah’s
ARCH was made to transport RIGHTEOUS PERSONS: not ANIMALS. Noah was to PREACH
GOSPEL not to waste time chasing/moving animals over Earth and Feeding/Taking
Care of them, as if owner of a huge Zoo.
When they
returned to Earth ground, ended Spiritual Time. Earth had already plenty with
new life, recriated (or restored,
the best ones/more proper for the next mortal period, thus some aspects
changed) from Adam´s ones (using their “DNA design”? with some improvements, as
Lions will eat Grass with lambs? God is not immobilized: can continue to act,
change, guide, etc.), including producing grapes in so short time. As GOD makes
one Criation, can restore it and Start a New One after finishing the previous
one. Life that Evil had degenerated was exterminated, as the mighty Sons of God
(wives in Elohim).
19.- WHAT HAPPENED WITH SEA WATER LEVELS AFTER NOAH’S
FLOODING?
Ocean floor
didn´t return to original position, but waters remained raised some 150m. Thus
Lake Mediterranean becames a Sea. Restoring the World Water Level and it is to
Heal into a fresh water huge Lake.
Continents
were separated as part of so great vulcanic and magma flow under continents.
Noah´s Arch
flowed from America to Asia (near Middle East) inverting the trip made by Adam
and Eve who walked to the American Continent (then another Garden of Eden, as
big Islands of Sea). Ocean moved back, in Noah´s days, but due movement of
Continents, Sea Level yet remains some 100 to 150m above the original values,
of Adam and Eve´s days, and of NOAH before starting to sail Mississipi
floooded. We should not worry about ALLAH having power to recriate/reorganize
all things again. Jehovah, ArchAngel of SUPREME JEHOVAH, intended to
exterminate the Israelite people and create better perfected ones. For sure ONE
GOD has power enough even to create very righteous Israelites out of stones,
something we could consider difficult considering Israelites’ design and
features.
Adam and Eve were expelled huge long time ago from Garden of Eden (over half
million years...),
using NOAH´s GAP in time (considering to be as a ZION´s raised to HEAVEN, as if
spacecraft, as Elijah). Moved into another “time scale” x Lord´s time
relationship (referential). Probably ARCH remaining floating just some meters
above the flooding waters, after departed sailing at the start of flood: it was
put to proof to see if they had done a perfected work of
construction/insulation.
20.- HOW IS THE SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION OF SUPREME ONE GOD’s KINGDOM:
INNER and OUTER?
As in the
Web Site (long one, handwritten) uploaded one year ago, it was shown drawings for INNER CORE of
SUPREME GOD = SUPREME ELOHIM = SUPREME JEHOVAH´s CREATION and with TREES OF
LIFE (yet growing), and how relates with OUTER OF IT, as if in a SUPREME BLACK HOLE that “never
exploded” (as something out of control) where we live. All “clusters” of
ONE GOD´s CREATION are responsiblity of “one local God Creator = ONE GOD´s
Servant”, Who acts as Our ONE GOD=ALLAH=SUPREME JEHOVAH: our “local Jehovah”, a
God like “ARCH-ANGEL” of SUPREME JEHOVAH and SUPREME ELOHIM. Thus all
“Arch-Angels=Gods=Allah’s Servants” compose several TREE OF LIFE, and in the
Main Drawing (upload and in Web, without a sharming tittle, but more like a
code) it is suggested 3 main TREE OF LIFE sprouting out of INNER CORE, and they
compose just the Supreme One TREE OF LIFE (see the drawings...).
21.- THIS CREATION, under our only Commandant in Chief = our Jehovah, IS
only ANOTHER CLUSTER=CREATION, and it is REPRESENTED SYMBOLICALLY as ONE “TREE
OF DIVINE LIFE” linked to Other and to ONE GOD.
Thus, we
may have this Creation as a “cluster” for some 14 Spiritual Local Days, linked
to a previous one “Creation, as cluster” (where our Arch-Angel Elohim lived/was
probed as “mortal”) and with other nearby surrounding “clusters” (Creations).
We must remain “bounded” to our “local CLUSTER = TREE OF LIFE (NOT
KABALLAH...!) as symbolism of our only only Direct Commandant of us, our Jehovah God, to
remain “alive”, fed directly with DIVINE SAP = DIVINE LIGHT, from the TREE OF
LIFE we are grafted and bound into it. Otherwise, if we don’t receive Divine
Sap, we get “sick” (with Evil influence, parasitism). Our body surface becomes
like “mirrored surfaces”: no divine Light can get into us, even if we are
shining as “diamonds”: only “darkness remains into us”: sons of Evil. We die
and fell to “ground”: to gather and burn away.
Thus we can
see our own “cluster” (as examining our own Country) and then start to examine
“clusters” that are each time more previous and greatly far away, in endless
pattern, following the TREES OF LIFE growth geometry. TREES OF LIFE are made as
if of “light” (divine light is as if “divine sap” feeding/nurturing them). In
fact all Universe is “closed in itself”, at the INFINITE, as if a “supreme
black hole”) and only “TREES OF LIFE” can growth otward the Inner Core, but all
“divine light, as if divine sap” CASCADE BACK into it (there are some sites on that, like Divine
Comedy). Our time and existence and light can’t go out of this SUPREME
BEING´s=ALLAH’s CREATION, which is also INFINITE and ETERNAL.
22.- NOTHING IS CREATED “OUT OF NOTHING”. SUPREME KINGDOM IS READY: ONE
IS “ORGANIZED”.
Thus
nothing is “created OUT OF NOTHING”, but are only “separated”, like
“organized”, as if, separating
“light” and “not light = darkness” and putting them in more organized
“structures”, as “matter” (tangible and spiritual) and “light” (and several
energy). It is like my cattle farm. I start “organizing” the FOREST,
removing/selling good trees (some used to make fences, homes, structures, etc.),
making roads, etc. and make pasture and electrified fences, places for gathering/healling/marking the
cattle, etc. Farm was there in my Legal Document: just decided to “organize” it
into better business.
Our
Creation (10 billions years) may be like a SPHERE with some 20 billions years
maximum distance through this Creation, but we can see endless other Creations
(Clusters) nearby, without limit: Big Universe is endless, eternal and
infinite, but at the infinites extremities ONE GOD = ALLAH = SUPREME ELOHIM =
SUPREME JEHOVAH is there as ALPHA and OMEGA. But SUPREME CREATOR is not made up
with CREATED (not panteism; not all Gods made up in the SUPREME BEING, ONE GOD:
ONE GOD is in Them), and even less with Evil. Not “necessarily” (as
continuously) ONE GOD is an Antropomorphic GOD, but we can reason ourselves as
image and similitude of ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING and CREATOR, but not can be said
in the opposite way, of ALLAH being or image (not Slavered to it). Nobody, in
mortality can see face-to-face the SUPREME ONE GOD and remains mortal to
witness if HIS face is exactly equal ours. ALLAH if just showing His top
glorious “face” toward a mountain, it melts/volatize as if butter placed over
very hot plate: so Supreme glory state.
Nothing is created out of nothing, but all created is subject to laws
that can be ONE GOD’s changed/handled, even gravitation
23.-
SUPREME “ONE GOD”, SUPREME BEING, IS NOT “NECESSARILY” ANTROPOMORPHIC BEING
SUPREME ONE
GOD is not “necessarily” an antropomorphic BEING: other Gods and intelligent
creatures can have other whole body/life “features”. SUPREME BEING is not
“slavered” like us: allways humans. HE has all freedom in BE and how more
appropriated. Result of their “ONE GOD’s CREATION” decision for them, as if
being their SUPREME FATHER as SUPREME CREATOR. No one can “see” and “have personal/body contact” with
SUPREME BEING = SUPREME JEHOVAH as a “mortal being” and remains “in mortality”,
as HIS “Glory Intensity and Nobleness level is SUPREME”: any tangible matter to
volatilize/melt instantly. Paul was able to see Jehovah in glory, being
sinner. As consequence had eyes injured: later on, healed. ONE GOD or us must
be wearing “protective veil, shield”, as those who saw hydrogen nuclear bomb
explosions. Imagine be in contact with 1 cm3 of material of the most energetic
and concentrated black hole of Universe... And then imagine if such black hole
is faint similarity of body of SUPREME BEING: you are before the most INNER
of ONE GOD´s HOME. ALLAH lives as if in
the most glorious “fire” of Supreme Universe.
WHO ARE OUR Gods and Lords? They are just “ONE” as TREE OF LIFE. They
teach you they are the ONE GOD.
If we ask
to any God who is Him, for sure, will answer (correctly): I AM WHAT I AM. I AM THE “ONE GOD”. How can
that be possible? See
explanation in proper other sites on such subject. Like
“jesus_tree_divine_life.htm”.
24.- DID JESUS CHRIST LIVE AS VERY POWERFUL active GOD JEHOVAH “hidden”
IN MORTAL FLESH? NO!
For sure Jesus had none active
power of God Jehovah or ALLAH with him; when mortal lived only as a plain and humble PROPHET, exactly like MOSES, unable to make
himself MYRACLES: God Jehovah (in Heaven) of Jesus provided for such myracles
take place (as did with other prophets and Moses). Jesus lived as a simple
MORTAL, PROPHET of His Jehovah God, his great Servant. Thus ALLAH’s servant. As
any God is ALLAH’s Servant, ARCH-ANGEL of ONE
GOD=SUPREME BEING
I
made nice figures to ilustrate these computations. They were in EXCELL, but did
big mistake, I enclosed a PRINT of it..
25.-
CLUES ABOUT FINDING OTHER INTERESTING LIKE LITERATURE (NOT FOR LDS PEOPLE)
To find
easier my list of some more usual Web Sites examine
http://www.oocities.org/nairsgbr/SITES-PROIBIDOS-SUD.htm
Continued in:
http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/time.htm THIS WEB SITE (file).
First
article was uploaded in 2nd part of old WEB SITE http://www.syg.com.br/archeology/eden_israel.htm
(written in first part, on Eden,
with cohoperation with an U.S. Orthodox Jew writer, who had written on
Garden of Eden)
In
the second part of such work, and separated only to my responsiblity, it has
some preliminar speculations about Spiritual time x Mortality Time, written 3
years ago: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsoelyi/archeology.html
The
same speculations, of previous site, were continued in this site, and let to be
“dormant, to reason about” since then:
http://www.oocities.org/celsoelyi/book_abraham_papyri_revis8.htm
26.-
FOR ISLAMITES (MUSLIMS), ISRAELITES OF JUDAISM and OF CHRISTIAN-MORMONISM
FINAL
REMARKS ABOUT “TIME x time” AND
“BIAS” AMONG CIVILIZATIONS and RELIGIONS |
I would like to remember you something very
interesting for a Jew perspective, about this study and on:
What is
the “ESSENCE of TIME" and its MEASUREMENT?
What is SPIRITUAL
TIME? What is ABSOLUTE ONE GOD’s TIME? What is Lord’s Time? What is our normal Time?
Does “Time” has a "present worth value"
like? (As for long time I have taught in my University classes on
Engineering Economics, since 1979? As I learned at the University of
California, Berkeley, USA, for sanitary works/system planning/design...)?
Can exist distinct
"time values" and "time scales"? Like distinct “temperature
scales” to measure, with distinct values, the “same temperature”? As spiritual
and mortality time scales ? Is mortality time worth geologic or astronomic
time according some law?
How to relate
them, as mortality time x astronomic/geologic time x Spiritual
TIME x Lord's TIME?
Is there an
ABSOLUTE REFERENTIAL system for measuring “TIME”, as for
ABSOLUTE TEMPERATURE scale Kelvin?
Is it “TIME INCREASE” related to some type of corresponding broadest
INCREASE of some "ENTROPY like for Universe"?.
How could a SCIENTIST face the "problem of RELATIVITY OF TIME", in
another viewpoint? (not Einstein’s).
When "time scale itself" changes, due
RELIGIOUS REASONS? LORD’s scale. God orded day time to increase...
Examine just the
enclosed figure. You may have an idea of what kind of work I have done and
I am doing on TIME subject. Since 1,991, when a “voice” (?) told me many
things, along a day, that attracted my attention about the
"duality of TIME as changing through time". Origin of such GRAPH.
Also data from Torah and Koran Books.
Then I couldn't understand: had to wait to 2,000.
Notice DAYtime is handled in JEWISH WAY (as it was
when Moses wrote Genesis: no todays like calendar): starts at EVENING.
I asked (in INTERNET Jew sites) help from expert Jews
on giving me how are and where are the "marks" used for
dating their Jewish Calendar: to reach their exact days, month, years, as used
in Israel nation. As Moses didn't write years and months and days as marks
in Torah, we
concluded it is intellectual Jewish inventions, as Catholic/Western
calendar: not God’s revelation.
You may guess about
my "strange viewpoints" on TIME and time, with several “referential
system for measurement”. In graph is shown the LORD’s Time x
time for our MORTALITY PERIOD (that makes drawing even more confusing): it is
“obvious” Spiritual Time (for without MORTALITY condition) are not LORD’s Days
scale made for measuring TIME during mortality... LORD’s referential (as
Farenheit instead of Celsius) is for “mortality” and started with MORTALITY
event and will joint Spiritual TIME scale during LAST JUDGEMENT day. See enclosed
figure.
Don't be biased...
We can have very distinct reports (or referential system we can use, as
Celsius, Farenheit, Kelvin, etc.) from distinct viewpoints of the
same elephant as if we use different NAMES and/or FEATURES/scale for the same parts of the
elephant.
Let us stop bias.
Views description and understanding can be very different among themselves
when we compare similar reports on elephant ...and even being
distinct, they can be perfectly correct in all distinct
ways as they describe the same elephant.
Doctors of Law/Wise
men have
invented/added reports with falsehoods. Added them to God’s truly inspired
Scriptures as being also true. As if having “complements or better detailing”
what God missed to make them revealed. They mix falsehood with Scriptures!
Thus SABELLIAN people/language/civilization (some
2,700 years continuous history, as some Etruscs) may be equivalent to
JUDAISM civilization and to ISLAMISM civilization: they can cohexist in TIME and through TIME. Falsehood
will end someday.
BEST
REGARDS, SINCERELY,
CELSO
SAVELLI
ADDENDUM in March 04th, 2003
SOME
CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT “MORTALITY TIME” AND ITS BIBLICAL USE
We can see
some absurds when persons try to evaluate Biblical old event in today “time
period” evaluated as if in modern calendar. The fact is that the old
ISRAELITE/JUDDAH’s CALENDAR is not based in MOON CYCLE (as in Islam) and even
is not as regular as our Western calendar (with months 30 or 31 days, and some
change taking place in February, in some years). Some comments are given
in a Jewish site on that. It is suggested we add 3760 (or 3761 in first
months, in most years) to our calendar year. Thus 2,003 would be
3,761+2003=5,764 for those of Juddah’s Kingdom (part of Israel). It is clear
that Jewish calendar (as had/has Babylons, Egyptians and other influences)
receives a “correction”, as extra-month, from time to time, to correct unprecision
(as in our Calendar), otherwise the spring-time events would be celebrated in
wintertime... (that is the problem of Islam calendar: I lived Muslim, Ramadan
celebration slowly shifts from Winter to Summer, etc.). Today is Tuesday 4
March 2003 == 30 Adar (I) 5763. It is “speculated” that Jewish dates started
with God’s Creation, thus ADAM and EVE lived in the very first days of such
Jewish calendar. There is no SOUND FOUNDATION FOR SUCH BELIEVES as they were
clearly not known by MOSES, and ISRAELITE’s PROPHETS of Old Testament: none
Scripture mention such YEAR (calendar of Jews) computed since CREATION. If that
was true, it would be very easy to know with confidence the dates of main
events of Old Testament, as when Noah was born, when started Noah’s Worldwide
Flooding, when Abraham was born, etc. In fact the “time scale” was the
MORTALITY EVENTS linking events of persons who were living (when Abraham was xx
years old was born his first biologic years, Ismael, adoptive of Sarah’s will,
from Haggar...). I already tried to get a good study showing how to know all
events used to create Jewish Calendar in order to get todays Jewish calendar
date, please inform me: o_savelli@yahoo.com
For sure my
studies are “rough” in what is related to exact values for calendar year.
Probably my studies are quite crude, “rough” (with imprecisions) as about TIME and
GUIDELINES and in specific comments on how to use some prophetic
clues to obtain reliable (precise) dates for fure events (if a FUTURE event
are PRECISELY KNOWN IN FUTURE as they are approaching and becoming “present=reality=fulfilment”,
it is not a PROFECY, but rather a REVELATION...).
For sure
even JESUS CHRIST didn’t remember about all the events of his life that he was
to face (and had been foretold in past). That information was as if “hidden,
covered by a veil” (from his knowledge). Otherwise he was not human, but a
robotic device covered with living flesh. As HAD TO DO SOMETHING because he was
“FORCED” in a previous order (as machines do). But he did them because of HIS
FREE WIL, his true LOVE and MERCY. Not because he was a “SLAVE” of God Jehovah.
He lived as the greatest Jehovah’s SERVANT on mortality. He could had failed:
this is why he was tempeted (exectly as we do...), and understand temptation.
After temptation, Prince of World, just “departed from Jesus”, made absent from
him, but returned to him in last moments, making him suffer (for us, for not
fail) as in Getsemany and when was left totally alone in the most difficult
moment: His JEHOVAH removed support from him. He faced alone the probabion. For
sure Lucifer offered again temporal salvation and to become the full king of
all this Earth: just accepting the first temptations he refuse.
Other was
LUCIFER’s plan for our mortality events. We were to live as if SLAVERED TO all
HIS WILL and DECREES, as if perfect/gracious robotic devices. That what was
required in order for “all of us” obtain full SALVATION in HIS KINGDOM. None
human would fail in “performing like perfect actor in Lucifer’s THEATRE,
nicelooking and rich Scenaries, without misery and sufferings. But all our
glory and worship had only been to Him, as USURPER even of God, our Heavenly
Father). The righteous angels, all those who became mortals, refused such
authoritarian plan, and preferred the alternative plan, the other ofered by our
humble and first spiritually born brother, who is known as Jesus, the Annointed
(by God in pre-existence) to help us become winners. We are facing the harsh
difficulties to perform, as good and righteous actors, in Jehovah’s THEATER.
This is the TEMPORAL TIME we have to receive all kind of whispers and false
helps coming from Lucifer and his Evil Angels, hidden on the stage, under it
and behind scenarios, for us perform wrongly (not according to the text we
received). And even, if possible, to run away of theatre before planned Time
for us conclude our performance. TIME!