XSarah2>>* Christianity was never meant to be about segregation but pure and simple love

SuGar.BuTt ii lean against the wind

SuGar.BuTt pretending i am weightless

SuGar.BuTt and in this moment

SuGar.BuTt i am happy

SuGar.BuTt happy

Min.J>> Nobody's angr at me but the devil

Min.J>> I ALWAYS make the devil mad

SuGar.BuTt im angry at you.

XSarah2>>* I dont make the Devil mad

XSarah2>>* why should you?

Eternumpace>>> The devil has certainly gotten a bad rap over the years

poppersoccer_girl well considering he is SATAN

Min.J>> XSarah, that's one of your MANY problem's

velvt>>. yes, eternum... but i guess they need a fall guy

Eternumpace>>> what is Satan?

XSarah2>>* Hey he used to hang out with God they used to have an understanding, but then they fell out over music tastes

lastdays satan is just an angel ---a fallen angel

Eternumpace>>> Satan sounds to me like a totemic cherub, a seal on knowledge of our own immortality

poppersoccer_girl yes the devil was a fallen angel and bin laden is just a misunderstood man

Min.J>> XSarah, one of your MANY problem's is that you DONOT make the devil mad.

Min.J>> I LWAYS make the devil mad

yuri_4 (SeReNiTy NoOoOoWwWwW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

XSarah2>>* the Devil just has a misunderstanding with God on eday he'll come around to to the fact you cant be an asshole all your life

lastdays you make him happy

XSarah2>>* why do you always make the devil mad???????????

Min.J>> XSarah, JUST look an see how many TRY to attack me for the things i say. When they are the truth.

Eternumpace>>> i'm new hear, but I am certainly getting to appreciate the gutteral manner with which people here exchange information

SuGar.BuTt were running in circles again

SuGar.BuTt just when things were looking up

SuGar.BuTt you said it wasnt good enough

SuGar.BuTt but still were trying one more time

SuGar.BuTt maye were justtryin to hard

XSarah2>>* You havent even tripped over by accident and stood in the truth so far, you are talking childish nonsense come clean

SuGar.BuTt this song goes to fast

SuGar.BuTt its hard to keep up

Min.J>> eternu, do you believe God is real?

velvt>>. eternum, you may find CC to be surprising in how people treat each other

0_sugar_0>>) Hi folks :o)

velvt>>. hi sugar

lastdays (Mat 28:19 KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

yuri_4 "Where two or more are gathered in My name...........one will certainly accuse the other of false doctrine." (2nd Hesitations 69:111)

Eternumpace>>> everyone believes in God, MinJ. its pretty well defacto

lastdays (Mat 28:19 KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

velvt>>. lol @ everyone believes in god

Min.J>> eternu, you are SO-WRONG. Everyone DONOT believe God is real

Eternumpace>>> MinJ, am I making the Devil curious?

0_sugar_0>>) lol, a friend of mine just called, she works at a drive thru window, said some guy drove up in nothing but his boxer shorts, lol

certainly accuse the other of false doctrine." (2nd Hesitations 69:111)

velvt>>. lol sugar... he wouldn't do it up here... we just got 15 inches of snow and it's still coming... supposed to snow all week

-._HiGH_.- its been a hard days nite

-._HiGH_.- and ive been working like a dog

0_sugar_0>>) yeah, its getting cold here tonight too, possible ice storm on the way

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yuri_4 imagine all the people................

velvt>>. i have a big problem now, with this snow. my snowplow guy called today to say his equipment broke down and he's not going to replace it... so here i am, emergency time, can't get anyone to take on a new account for plowing my driveway

Eternumpace>>> all architecture, lets use a city as an example, shapes the people that shape it. Interesting to me now, is how this "vp" shapes and is shaped by its participants

velvt>>. sugar/dill... i'll be fine if it's only for a few days and i don't run out of propane < i'm really close to being out>

Eternumpace>>> certainly there is AGREEMENT here has to certain realities. we acknowledge others foremeost, a language both gutteral and romantic in origin, and a "technology" by which to tell our story

Min.J>> I have BIBLE, Chapter, and Verse, in CONTEXT for EVERYTHING i Preach and Teach. And that ALWAYS make the devil mad

lastdays why is minJ a differnt color on my list

XSarah2>>* Min.J>> you have failed to understand the Bible coompletely, you trully have and I have the big fella upstairs agreeing with me on this one mate

Eternumpace>>> as with any city, it is left to anyone to wake, if even for instant, and see the crystal shimmering through the buzz and crackle of the enfoldment of consciousness

SuGar.BuTt i dont understand it.

XSarah2>>* LOVE

-._HiGH_.- neither do i

Eternumpace>>> a transpersonal nautelus of interweaving fibres of cosmic intelligence, hearts beating in rapturous shame and deceit

velvt>>. wow... two people leave, and half the lines stop shooting past

-._HiGH_.- 1,2,3 what are we fighting for, i dont give a damn next stop is vietnam and its a 5,6,7 open up the perly gates there aint no time to wonder why WHOPPIE we're all gonna die

sunnyplace lastdays the clouds are so thick here you could cut them with a knife

sunnyplace looks like it is gonna snow soon

lastdays know the feeling

lastdays 8 to 10 inches they say we will get

Eternumpace>>> Devilish howls in the gutteral speak of wandering aengus, forever found in the folds nothing upon nothing, "darkness made visible"

velvt>>. my place is like a fakey looking christmas card... all the spruce and pine filled with snow, sagging to the ground

Eternumpace>>> But, alas, what is in an image?

0_sugar_0>>) potential, eternum

Eternumpace>>> What promised countenance lurks in the glowing remnants of prometheus corpse?

velvt>>. my alabama transplant cat is having quite a time with this snow... got a bunch of it dumped on him when he was up on the roof and came SHOOTING inside... hasn't been out since

0_sugar_0>>) hehe, I dont think my cats have ever seen snow before, they would probably be all freaked out

Eternumpace>>> Would it were enough to merely feel the light through the thick wooly clouds of forgetfulness

lastdays He can make it yet

Eternumpace>>> Lucifer, unlike god, has a past

--PurE-LighT-- What past is that ? Being trown out of heaven ahhhhh ha hahahaha

FUCT87 how are all my christion bro and sisters going????

0_sugar_0>>) that photo kinda reminds me of how I felt after thanksgiving dinner...lol

velvt>>. pure, i have an av you might want... let me mega and put it up

Eternumpace>>> as a person of letters, I am genuinely baffled by images, they are like magic

sunnyplace brb gotta stir the fire

x1cheerprncess1x velvt>>. ur on my man's head

Eternumpace>>> i say again, what is in an image. sugar says "Potential"

velvt>>. i don't know if this is a dat or a cog

velvt>>. actually it's computer magic, combining a cat and dog

Eternumpace>>> if the universe is hologrammatic then, every object has a "color" , a personality

Eternumpace>>> is VP, then not just another kind of Animism?

Eternumpace>>> what if we were to enter a room full of PC's, entering from eons past might we recognize these plastic boxes as oracles of a kind?

Frankenberry_ only if they're macs

0_sugar_0>>) always kinda looked at vp as a sort of microcosm of society eternum, socially speaking that is

velvt>>. beautiful av, pure

--PurE-LighT-- That's my countrys' Flag Blue and Yellow

Frankenberry_ that's what makes the sooo good no windows no bill antichrist gates

ankrsnsprs i have windos

lastdays what country

sunnyplace velvt>> is that a lamb carrying a wolf in your av?

--PurE-LighT-- Ukraine

sunnyplace all toasty now

velvt>>. it's a sheep in wolf's clothing, sunny

sunnyplace oh lol

Eternumpace>>> if the city is any indication, and by city i mean mercantile nexus of a nation-state, then microcosm as it, city or vp, may be, its constituents yearn for the whole, hence the Oracle

velvt>>. a wolfskin

Eternumpace>>> Art

Eternumpace>>> Culture

Eternumpace>>> Stories

lastdays neat velvt>>

Eternumpace>>> Religion

ankrsnsprs im from houston tx

lastdays missouri at present

sunnyplace rapha thinking about toasting some marshmellows hehe

lastdays i lived in Tejas for 15 years

ankrsnsprs i now live in san diego

lastdays san anton and corpus

Eternumpace>>> Certainly , VP does seem to to modulate personality or color

--PurE-LighT-- I went to san diego it's HOT over there.

rapha_2 brb need a bowl of icecream

rapha_2 brb need some icrcream

Frankenberry_ are you guys soul travelers

sunnyplace lol

ankrsnsprs i grew up in corpus when i was a little girl

sunnyplace just one i hope

velvt>>. franken, we all are, but only some know it :)

sunnyplace bowl of icecream that is lol

0_sugar_0>>) its a reflection of our society and how we interact in groups more or less eternum, perhaps a somewhat distorted reflection but a reflection all the same

Eternumpace>>> as one of your great poets, Jim Morrison, writes, the contituents of Vp/city yearn to create or recreate the city by will or iconology/mythos

Frankenberry_ jim morrison? great poet??? blech

Eternumpace>>> that being the case, the will to power identifies with the will to image

0_sugar_0>>) every thought you have is in essence, energy eternum, so thoughts have the potential to create

Eternumpace>>> for since Stonehenge or before, it is the modulation of conscious perception which in turn most instantaneously modulates speech (our god-animal magic) and the heart, the root of our percpetion

Eternumpace>>> thought, yes, sugar, good point, and again we ask, "what thinks us", dare we dream of such a self?

Eternumpace>>> or is such a dream mere demonology?

0_sugar_0>>) as you think so shall you be eternum...lol

0_sugar_0>>) actions tend to follow thoughts

Eternumpace>>> aaah. to think or not to think, is that the question?

0_sugar_0>>) lol

sunnyplace demonology?what

sunnyplace <<missed something

dogbite7 a think of lots of things i dont do

--PurE-LighT-- Wave your pizza in the air from side to side like you don't care.

velvt>>. franken, it's the etheric plane, which is the one that is in both the lower and higher spiritual worlds... it's the meeting place

0_sugar_0>>) perhaps the question is where did the thought originate from? the mind, the soul, the spirit, or something beyond that

Eternumpace>>> is then, not he logical extension of democracy, its root being demonology, that all is thought, and all thought thinks?

Eternumpace>>> in which, case the question becomes, WHERE is thought?

0_sugar_0>>) thoughts are one thing, information another, experience another aspect, wisdom differs but uses all of them as its basis

velvt>>. franken, i meant it's where the lower and higher worlds meet... it's the fifth plane and very high

dogbite7 thought originates with life

velvt>>. if you're hearing it as you go to sleep, franken, then you likely are traveling there during sleep

Eternumpace>>> hence, we have a metaphysical nationalism as the precognisant polity of this digital nation state

Eternumpace>>> your belief, then, sugar, or a primary one of them, is that you can rule over thought

0_sugar_0>>) I am thought, and thought is me, they are intertwined and interdependant eternum

Eternumpace>>> that may be so. may be thought can be ruled

dogbite7 if we couldn rule over thought --we would all be in jail

0_sugar_0>>) you have influence over your thoughts, so perhaps the question would be, do thoughts impel or compel?

sunnyplace cutiepoo I sense is blue*

lastdays what the hell is this conversation about

ankrsnsprs i wish i knew????

sunnyplace lol last*who knows

Eternumpace>>> very good, sugar, you have summoned the logic/dialectic of exteriority and interiority. what of it, then. shall we think...

dogbite7 we are thinking about thought

DILLBUCK thought can not be ruled over it has no foundation of a human orgin

lastdays you have to think about thinking you have a problem

Eternumpace>>> as one exercise, sugar, where am I in relation to you, sugar. am i OUTSIDE or INSIDE where you are?

Frankenberry_ you guys smoke alot of weed huh?

0_sugar_0>>) brb, phone

dogbite7 if i "think" about killing someone -----and dont do it ---havent i ruled over thought ?

lastdays no you committed murder in your mind

jpis_ (Wave)

dogbite7 who was my victim ?

Eternumpace>>> you seem to be waving, if that is the correct term between all that is outside me and all that is inside

Eternumpace>>> Sept 11 was certainly a great shock to my spacial intelligence among other things

XSarah2>>* I loove sunnyplaces

Eternumpace>>> i was surprised, in fact and yet not so much surprised, to hear so many references to the imagination, specifically how the perps had to 'imagine" their own actions. for an artist, this is dire

Eternumpace>>> perhaps we can no longer to afford to idealize the imagination, or perhaps quiet the opposite, such an event forever interiorizes all things imaginable and or actual

XSarah2>>* eternumplace what are you on about?

0_sugar_0>>) gotta go, long phone call! ((((........Merry Part until we Merry Meet again & Blessed Be........)(dsf)))

velvt>>. i don't think the sexiest photos are those that show the most, actually.

--PurE-LighT-- But kissing the neck doesn't beat hugging and sqeezing the butt =)

velvt>>. take care, sugar

lastdays unless you have a sore throat

DILLBUCK what is the biological nature of an imagination?

Eternumpace>>> Sarah, I am having a running dialogue with my self and any interested about the Animism inherent in the phenomena that is VP

XSarah2>>* Imagination ideally is to be ignored as this masks and obscures the natural mind

velvt>>. i disagree, sarah... i think imagination is one of the greatest gifts and tools god has given us

Eternumpace>>> interesting point, Sarah.

lastdays without imagination we would not have microwaves

lastdays or dryers

XSarah2>>* Vis Dzogchen Buddhist ideas the imagination obscures the natural perfected mind that lies underneath it

DILLBUCK the sense that the images in your mind are yours and formed by your perspective is simple not possible

lastdays or phones or computers

XSarah2>>* well they are because they derive their drive from the ego

Eternumpace>>> Sarah, mayhaps the dichotomy presented is really no dichotomy at all or the only one, in which case, well...

XSarah2>>* theres no duality about it at all

XSarah2>>* there should in fact be no intellectual consternation over it

Eternumpace>>> Dare I say, the mystery of the bicameral brain and its self awareness begs for such a thing as "imagination" which , like God, mayhaps we would have invented it anyway...

XSarah2>>* why must you create such a mask with your words, you are actually prooving my pont very well you know

velvt>>. eternum, i think the imagination is the aid to reconciling and communicating within the bicameral brain

Eternumpace>>> Sarah, i wasn't aware we were in disagreement. so we are agreed

sunnyplace eter..we wouldnt be here if The creator god didnt create us..or give us knowlege and a mind to increase with wisdom

XSarah2>>* Dzogchen speaks of natural simplicity, no striving via the ego no direction unless natural and true

Eternumpace>>> Dzogchen sounds Tao

XSarah2>>* It comes very close

XSarah2>>* no there isnt any real disgreement just healthy debate

Eternumpace>>> earlier we spoke of omni thought, at which point I brought us around again to locality, mayhaps all direction and hence locality converges on wu wei

Eternumpace>>> or the way of "water"

sunnyplace what?

Eternumpace>>> to wit, we flow

XSarah2>>* well wu wei means Non-Doing which is the same as the naturak mind from Dzogchen i suppose

XSarah2>>* I see its the image you want to marry you sucker how will you ever realise Nirvana?

velvt>>. LOL sarah

velvt>>. love it

Eternumpace>>> i like that Sarah, the former commetn not the latter lol

XSarah2>>* Pure light I want a pre-nuptual divorce

Eternumpace>>> by all logic i can imagine, I can only want what is here

sunnyplace think I might surf a bit..but i might be back lol

XSarah2>>* why do you want anything??????

velvt>>. heheh @ prenuptual divorce

Eternumpace>>> sarah, my alst statment inferred the converse

DILLBUCK imagination has no logical foundation

lastdays must have a live christmas tree

Eternumpace>>> it has been a pleasure. toodles

Eternumpace>>> And finally and with divine rapture I conclude, Lucifer and God are names for any two bodies, thoughts what have you in relationship with one another across all dimension or at least

Eternumpace>>> those dimensions inferred directly or indirectly by a place other than "water" or "flow"

Eternumpace>>> Such that any or each one may "objectively" experience the creation or co-creation of water

Eternumpace>>> there is a zen saying, as a wave cannot "become" the water, so you are already all that you are

Eternumpace>>> one last note: dichotomy , to me, is synonymous with rhythm (energy). Architecture, then being what energy feels like (another) and our language of romance, which is us in that place where me make others and our selves, is what energy feels like. Being here.

Eternumpace>>> let this be a prayer in offering to the glory of our mother tongue, the romance language that is us and our home. The image, as the dream, like love, like us…we..are real and all we dream of and with is life.

Eternumpace>>> amen.

Finis. Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:00 A.D. Dreamtime, SaltSpring Isle, CANADA