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MATH ISSUES and FEEDBACK

Are you having problems with MATH?
Other colleges offer math tailored to student needs.
Are you struggling due to the "one size fits all"
math program at UMM?
Contact us with your thoughts, needs, and
what is/is not being done to accommodate those needs.
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December 1, 2000
I have an issue with your comment that UMM has a "one size fits all" math program.  Maybe I need clarification of what you have a problem with.  I find that UMM has a broad enough math program.  Overly broad in some cases.  There are courses that are pre algebra that deal with fractions, decimals, percents and geometry.  Then there are mods that deal with algebra.  UMM has even broken up the statistical course to include a "lab" portion for non science majors.  How much more individualized does it need to be?  Do we need an addition and subtraction course?
Maybe an advanced multiplication and division class?  When one reaches college there should be some basis of math.  One should be already in or close to algebra to begin with.  If not, there are the classes which help one lead up to algebra.
This is college...not high school.
If you are saying that we need to have more sections of math classes, say a developmental level up to a honors type level, then how do you propose UMM goes about this?  Much of the staff is pressed for time as it is.  And they do more work then their job should even include.  Is the solution to hire more professors?  Hardly.  This school doesn't pay the professors we have now enough...hiring more would solve very little.
Maybe I'm confused by your statement, but this is what I got from it.  It would be nice to see more classes offered here at UMM, but we have to live with what we have.
Student

December 4, 2000
If settling for “what we have,” was all we should expect, one wonders if we should have sat quietly by and endured the computer issues that have plagued this campus for eons instead of voicing our frustrations and asking for progress.
Rather than math being our “problem,” we have been hearing similar complaints from students for the past 3 years.  Unfortunately, none of those students have contacted U. Machias Online at this point.  What we have heard and/or experienced is this:
  • Being a small institution, some math courses are taught predominantly by one professor, which puts those who cannot learn from that professor at an extreme disadvantage.  Perhaps this would be difficult to remedy, maybe not.
  • Math courses move at too fast a pace for many of the students.
  • Because of the pace, some students are having to either drop other subjects or the problem math course itself.
  • Because of the pace, some students are having to devote a far greater proportion of their time to the math, therefore other subjects suffer.
  • Because of the pace, some students are having to repeat the maths—some up to 7 times—in order to graduate.
  • Because of the pace, some students feel they must give up on college altogether, as they are unable to fulfill the math requirement.
  • In spite of the fact that tutors are available, some tutors are not comfortable enough with the math to be of much assistance.
  • In spite of the fact that tutors are available, scheduling conflicts may make it impossible for those most in need to get help given the limited tutor availability.
Of course the admission must be made that some who need help simply refuse to avail themselves of the assistance which is at their disposal.
While the Basic Math course does provide “pre algebra,” mod III in no way prepares students to succeed—per se—in Algebra I.  Surely you are not suggesting that, in an attempt at keeping the math department from being “overly broad,” you would promote eliminating Basic Math. UMM is comprised of over 50% non-traditional enrollment.  That being the case, 40, 50 and 60 year-old students may indeed be intelligent and motivated enough to earn a degree in their chosen field, while at the same time being deficient in math or other skills.
However, this deficiency is not limited to non-traditionals.  While some high schools have excellent curricula, many still fall short in graduating students who are at the college level.  Should those students be denied further education?  It should be noted that those who need to be brought “up to speed,” so to speak, pay for that assistance.  Those fortunate enough to have tested out of Algebra I and II when entering college are not likely to have the problems with math that were listed above—nor do they incur the expense of taking those courses.
That brings us to those who have documented disabilities or extreme deficiencies, which affect their ability to succeed in certain learning environments—like math.  Since every brain may not possess all the characteristics that it could possess, a person who is intelligent over all may simply not be able to absorb particular material at the same speed—let’s say—as another. 
Granted, in any given classroom setting there will be a variety of learning abilities and motivation levels.  A certain percentage of students will have no trouble grasping the concepts, some will need to do a little work to keep up, still more could succeed but refuse to participate in their own education and some are in over their heads and shouldn't be there in the first place.  What we have been hearing  is from a portion of students who are intelligent enough to do the work, yet are having severe difficulties—mostly due to the pace of the material.
According to some members of the math department, problems exist—for greater than 14 years in one opinion—and attempts have been made to address them.  One proposal was to have a math lab staffed with tutors and/or professors, which would cover extended hours.  Another solution was to give students the option of attending math classes the customary 3 days per week OR 5 days per week.  The latter would provide increased instruction time to those students who felt they needed more.  We wondered if offering the option of taking half of Algebra I in one semester and the second half in the next might help build a firmer math basis for those who are struggling.  In that case, those with special needs would be paying for the assistance, and those who were not in need would not be subjected to that expense.
The way financial aid is set up could cause problems with a class spanning 2 semesters, so a slower paced class might need to be broken up into 1.5 credits for each.  In so doing, a student who chooses the less intense class would, perhaps, be more able to deal with the riggers of that subject and avoid having math or their other classes suffer in order to fulfill a core requirement, which may or may not be related to their chosen degree.  In order to pay for this service, each section would perhaps cost the same as the 3-credit one-semester version, but that would seem preferable to taking a course, which is too fast paced, multiple times.
This is not a problem localized in Machias, Maine.  In 1995 it seems that students at California State University (CSU) in Chico were having similar problems as students at UMM.  Remedial math was suggested, but some opposed it.  The following is a response from CSU’s commissioner for re-entry affairs (http://orion.csuchico.edu/Pages/backIssueDisplay.pl.cgi?Volume35Issue12/  scroll down, click on Opinion and then on Remedial…):
Remedial education is needed
-Wednesday, November 15, 1995
Editor, 
The editorial denouncing the idea of remedial education at the university level is foolish at best, short-sighted at worst, and all-in-all, ludicrous. 
These opinions are supported on four legs. First, just in case the Orion editorial staff hasn't noticed, we are a bit tight around here for bodies. And everyone agrees that we need more students, and that the upcoming classes of college freshmen will probably need remedial education, due to the poor quality of education for which California is becoming known. So, give the people what they want. If remedial education puts the butts in the seats, then that's what we should be doing. You cannot afford to be elitist if you're going belly up. 
Second, the number of students who need one or two remedials is very high. Just about every re-entry student needs remedial math. When I spoke to the California State Students Association (CSSA) at Humboldt State last month, I explained that while I had many jobs in the 13 years before I returned to school, I never once had to factor a polynomial or work with imaginary numbers. Due to my presentation, CSSA changed their stance on remedial education to allow a one-year window for re-entry programs. Should we bar admissions to all students who are essentially bright enough to attend college here, but are just out of practice? 
Third, should any organization that receives federal or state money not allow a person who wishes to go to school the chance if the seat is available? I believe that unless you are running to capacity, you can't discriminate against a tax-paying citizen if they (or their child) wants to attempt to further their education. 
Fourth, and lastly, I consider myself a literate person. I have worked on newspapers at the high school, college, military and professional levels. I also tend to read a lot, scanning at least two newspapers a day, and often more when you start adding in the weeklies. And frankly, after reading the Orion consistently for the past two years, I've noticed that some people who have aims to be professional wordsmiths still have serious need of remedial English classes, not to mention basic journalism classes. 
Gary Renard 
Commissioner for Re-entry Affairs”
Mr. Renard’s points 1-3 could have been written about UMM.  The problem existed in CSU 5 years ago, and a similar one exists at UMM today.  Perhaps we should contact CSU to find out what steps they were able to take regarding a solution.
In conclusion, you bring up a good point.  Is there an honors math program for those who would benefit from and wish to avail themselves of it?  Is that an area which also needs to be addressed
at UMM?
Since the administration seemed to have listened to students with computer problems, we thought that the administration would also benefit from hearing about students with math problems.  In this period of enrollment crisis, can we afford to sit idly by while students drop out because they are overwhelmed with their struggle to fulfill the math requirement?
The editors

December 7, 2000

Thank you for explaining yourself on the idea of a "one size fits all" math program.  With the points
that you raised I can see why one would feel that way.  I would never suggest to remove any of the current programs or classes at this Univ.  In any dept for that matter.
When I entered college I expected it to be hard.  I never expected to have classes and the like handed to me on a platter.  I'm in the biology program.  In most math classes I have done fine, until I came to calculus.  I received terrible grades in both Calc I and II.  Sure I was upset with such low
grades...thought of dropping my major because of it.  However, I did not let it get me down and I continue to move on.
Guess that's just me.  Thank you for the information on this subject and keep up the good work.
Student

December 17, 2000

If expecting to have their education handed to them were the issue, the students mentioned
above would be doing poorly in all classes, not just elementary college level
math classes--which does not seem to be the case.
In all fairness, UMM should also be providing adequate honors programs.  Is it?

Things have been awful quiet this semester!
Doesn't anyone else have anything to say?
If you are having problems, please speak up.
If you think things are going well, PLEASE speak up.
The Editors



 


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