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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 05:02:58 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.review
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks

Stella Nemeth wrote:
> Jiri Mruzek <jirimruzek@lynx.bc.ca> wrote:
> >Stella Nemeth wrote:
> >> Jiri Mruzek <jirimruzek@lynx.bc.ca> wrote:

> >Sorry, Stella, but I'm not interested in later mini-pyramids.

> Mini-pyramids?? What makes a pyramid a mini-pyramid?

What makes a skirt a mini-skirt?

> >While the historical background was hardly changing over quite
> >some time, all the pyramids should look the same. But - they don't!
> >So from what period are the ration lists? Aren't they much younger?

> Actually, you might be right. I know we've got evidence of a worker's
> village in the Valley of the Kings. That is later. We certainly do
> have ration lists for that place. I believe we've got evidence of a
> worker's village for the Giza pyramids. I think there are ration
> lists for that place as well, but I may be mistaken.

I may be right.. That's great. But, why am I arguing this point? :)
I lost track..

> Do you really see the carving of tombs out of solid rock, which was
> done in Dynasty 2 as well as in Dynasty 18 all that much easier than
> building a pyramid?

Same thoughts had traversed my mind. Many accomplishments look great
on their own. But, yes, it would all be so much easier than the Pyramid.

> >> The material evidence for what? I'm afraid your paragraph above has
> >> lost me.

> > Al Mamun's tunnel shows us how the Arabs got in.
> > Aside from the plugged ascending passage, there is only the well shaft,
> > which could have allowed someone to gain access to the King's chamber.
> >This tunnel is too small to allow removal of the coffer's lid.
> > If there were no lid, it follows that there was no body, because
> > there wasn't any sarcophagus there.

> You have presented no evidence that there was no lid originally.

I have presented reasons for thinking this version more plausible.
Things do look like there never was any lid, and no mummy.
So, why should we think otherwise?
Because of 'postecedents' passed off as precedents?

> >> Just because the lid is missing today doesn't mean there never was
> >> one. (If it is missing. I'll admit I don't know if this particular
> >> lid is missing or not.) It is easy enough to remove anything from
> >> anyplace. Just break it up and take it away. Why would anyone have to
> >> remove it in one piece?

> > If it's legit to ask that question - then why would anyone want
> > to steal a 2-ton lid?

> I said the removal of the lid. I said nothing about stealing the lid.
> It could have been cleaned up by a neat freak sometime in the last few
> centuries. It could have been broken up and taken as momentos of a
> visit to the pyramid by dozens of people one piece at a time.

It used to be extremely difficult to access the pyramid through
cluttered passages and darkness, bats, dust. You don't just go
in and start breaking the hard granite lid. For the sake of what?

> > ...What is the value of a few broken up chunks
> > of granite?

> People collect the oddest things.

If they collected the lid - why did they not collect the coffer ?
Why break the lid, and not steal it? Why leave it up to a neat-freak?

> >> >Where is the secret chamber containing flexible glass, non-rusting
> >> >weapons, super-accurate maps, secrets of magic (science), etc? So said
> >> >rumours collected on the streets of 8th century Cairo by Al Mamoun's
> >> >informers.

> >> I don't know. Where is it? <g>

> > It is all around us today. Just look at all the flexible clear
> > plastic (glass), non-rusting weapons, super-accurate maps, and
> > secrets of magic (science). It is all out there today.
> > Yet, the ideas were there yesterday. Were they just a strange
> > premonition of things to come, a proof of Platonic ideas having
> > a precedence on reality?

> Where is your evidence that the ideas about high technology were there
> in the days of low technology? I am unaware of such ideas. What I am
> aware of is a modern interpretation of ancient words. Wait 20 or 30
> years and those "modern" interpretations sound pretty funny.

Flexible glass, non-rusting weapons, super-accurate maps, secrets
of magic - those are straightforward descriptions of things we possess
today. As ideas, they are eternally perfect.

> >The legend might have been the result of a conjecture. Someone knew
> >these things existed, but weren't around anymore.. Why not presume
> >that they were secreted away with the pharaoh in the fathomless
> >depth of the Pyramid?

> What legend? Why persume that anything was secreted away with
> pharaoh? The pyramids were wonder enough in themselves for people to
> want to enter them. What got burried with a pharaoh (we got samples
> of that with Tutankhamon's tomb) was certainly enough for any treasure
> hunter.

:) One of Stella's immutable Laws of the Pyramid says:
Though shalt  never secrete a treasure in any pyramid,
as then all pyramids would be vandalized for loot.
There is nothing behind the door in the way of treasure.
And, no technology is hidden there, at least, not in
the conventional sense.

Though I am psychic, I don't have to be one - to know this logically :)

> >> >Isn't this amazing? It means that there were "pyramidiots" on the
> >> >streets of Cairo in 800's A.D.! Can this be the same Christian population,
> >> >which had burned down the Alexandrian library, led by fanatics? Did some
> >> >actually read the books before burning them?

> >> You've got a problem with time warp here. Two different populations
> >> in two different centuries.

> >No, they were different generations of the same population, and
> >inheritors of the same folklore.

> They may have been the same population, but they certainly were
> several centuries apart. And quite different cultures.

Weren't they conquered just a short while before the Pyramid was
opened?

Regards,

Jiri Mruzek

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