[Markus] alright.. fun story
[Markus] today was my first day working with the Deer over on the farm
[Markus] pretty much I'm a lab assistent / farm hand for the grad students
[Markus] doing experiments
[UncaPeach] working with Deer?
[black_swan] dear deer
[Markus] the class is animal science problems: behavior
[Markus] yep
[RalphM] deer markus!   :)
[UncaPeach] ah ...
[northstar] sounds really interesting
[Markus] we were taking blood from the herd today and had to chase the
[Markus] into another holding pen so we could usher them into a crate for weighing
[Markus] and blood withdraw
[Markus] one deer was giving us particluar problems
[Markus] fast little doe that kept jumping over our tarp wall
[Markus] anyway... there is a type of ..umm
[UncaPeach] ah ... lab assistant = slave labor ... been there, done that, burned the t-shirt
[northstar] markus from where do you draw the blood?
[Markus] I guess fence
[northstar] neck?
[Markus] from the neck
[Markus] aye
[northstar] k yup
[Markus] in the middle of the field
[Markus] sorta a shielded picket, no gaps
[Markus] well, she got back in the corner, behind this fence and I
[Markus] happened to be the only one near her..
[Markus] so slowly, I walked behind the fence, to her rear and projected
[Markus] the wolf just in front of me
[UncaPeach] so ... you got elected ...
[Markus] her head jerked up immediately and she stared straight at me
[Markus] deer in headlights look
[Markus] tail twitching and all
[northstar] wow markus!
[Markus] so after a second she just stood there and obviously it was only
[Markus] working a bit
[Markus] the suddenly she took off
[Markus] never happier to get in that barn!
[Markus] I didn't realize till after I was growling low under my breath
[UncaPeach] LOL
[Markus] everyone else just looked at me and I just shrugged
[RalphM] :):):):):):):):):):)
[northstar] lol but intriguing, markus
[Markus] guess it took that little bit of internal embrace of the wolf to get the full effect
[Markus] and now that i think of it
[UncaPeach] well, they need to learn how to growl ...
[Markus] when I walked around the outside of fence
[Markus] it was more stalking than walking
[LdyAshlynn] What interests me is this is a practical application of magick in daily life
[UncaPeach] yup ...
[northstar] me2 ashlynn esp once I know enuf to employ such
[Markus] who need to learn how to growl?
[UncaPeach] your work partners ... 
[UncaPeach] j/k
[Markus] hehehee
[LdyAshlynn] This takes it from theory to fact for my son. I am very very proud
[northstar] i hiss like a cat but works just as well
[Markus] aye... from dream to reality as well
[UncaPeach] yes
[Markus] which was the inspiration for it
[northstar] idea->reality   the whole point of this, yes?
[Markus] yes
[LdyAshlynn] Ok our topic is shape shifting
[northstar] wow, ok...!
[Eve] shape shifting???
[LdyAshlynn] what son did was shape shifting
[UncaPeach] hmmm ... there are many beliefs that embrace that ...
[northstar] into that wolf?
[LdyAshlynn] yes
[UncaPeach] the animal saw him as a wolf
[northstar] wow
[LdyAshlynn] Did you not realize?
[northstar] thought he just made the deer see a wolf
[LdyAshlynn] that is shapeshifting north
[northstar] now, so deer saw HIM as that wolf..wow
[northstar] ashlynn ok.!
[UncaPeach] that's why I made the joke about him teaching his workmates to growl ... heh
[northstar] hehehe
[LdyAshlynn] someone toss me the skeeter spray!
[northstar] ashlynn would if only could
[Markus] back
[LdyAshlynn] ok, we saw a practical app of ss
[northstar] wb markus
[UncaPeach] there are many Native American legends surrounding such ...
[northstar] unca I have heard of this...seems many native amer's were able to do it too
[LdyAshlynn] son, can you tell us how you started the glamour?
[Markus] sure
[northstar] beat me to the ques, glamour or anomaly
[Markus] I guess it started as soon as I knew I was gonna do it
[Markus] my walk immediately became more stalking and smooth and elongated
[Markus] I can't count how many hours I've spent watching wolves on tv or at the zoo
[Markus] I mirrored their movements
[northstar] so you felt you as wolf too then?
[Markus] aye, that is the idea
[northstar] !wow
[Markus] after that, I projected an image of a wolf (which I know from my dream which was very similar, will share later if yall'd like [-- sufern talk
[LdyAshlynn] lol
[Eve] hahah
[Markus] and by that time the deer had locked it's spot
[northstar] would like to hear it sometime yes
[Markus] the "if I don't move he wont' see me" instinct reation
[northstar] yup
[Markus] I'm assuming as soon as I started growling was the instant it hit the doe full force
[Markus] and she jett'd
[Markus] so, yes... I was the wolf,
[northstar] markus have you done this other times too (well practiced) ?
[Markus] not physically but to myself and to the deer
[Markus] no
[Markus] first time
[UncaPeach] a sufern wolf, no less
[northstar] so even more amazing then
[Markus] I did it in a dream
[Markus] and we've discussed it before
[LdyAshlynn] Not really, he is well taught in it
[Markus] so I guess I knew how to do it
[northstar] me I would become cat, I & cats are on same frequency
[Markus] much different
[Markus] I did almost everything from gut (just like I do everything)
[Markus] great north!
[LdyAshlynn] which is what you were taught sweets
[Markus] I KNOW you don't mean a domestic cat right?!
[UncaPeach] Markus, sounds like you did it very well
[northstar] aye I would say subC but the same, from the heart of your mind
[northstar] markus havent accomplished a shift, but if I would, thats what I would want to be
[Markus] yes I was taught very well momma :p
[Markus] best way to accomplish is to do it
[northstar] markus all cats are cats, but prolly a panther
[Markus] go chace a squirl!
[northstar] lol:)
[Markus] well
[Markus] if you porject a house cat in front of a dog
[LdyAshlynn] not really
[Markus] you won't reallly like the results
[LdyAshlynn] A Tiger is not like a lion at all
[northstar] nope! lol
[Markus] unless you are looking for  a good sprint
[UncaPeach] they are both cats ... but ....
[LdyAshlynn] thats it
[LdyAshlynn] Totally diff personalities
[UncaPeach] their living, hunting habits are totally different ... one is social ... the other is not
[LdyAshlynn] yup
[UncaPeach] the Tiger is quite solitary ....
[LdyAshlynn] Anywho
[LdyAshlynn] Yall can attempt a minor glamour
[LdyAshlynn] Specially if yall have a pet
[LdyAshlynn] Look for widening of the eyes, if not overt behaviour
[northstar] not tiger cheeta  :)
[LdyAshlynn] cheeta has a diff personality still
[LdyAshlynn] ok
[LdyAshlynn] back to the methods
[LdyAshlynn] this can be tried on a pet
* Eve only has 2 goldfish
[Eve] as pets
* UncaPeach has done it with his cats ...
[LdyAshlynn] you will know if you are managing it if there is even a lil reaction...as I said, widening of the eyes
[LdyAshlynn] Now, what are the first steps?
[LdyAshlynn] Any idea?
[northstar] ashlynn *smiling*
[northstar] to feel the thing one wants to become?
* UncaPeach assumes the animal
[Eve] i would have to say first step would have to be relaxed and thinking solely on the animal u want to be
[LdyAshlynn] First is determine need. A hampster won't stir a snake
[northstar] ahh
[Markus] ok..so Common Sense is the first step :)
[northstar] :)
[UncaPeach] ah ... i went too far ... with my answer ...
[LdyAshlynn] Second is to recognize what the projected animal's attributes are
[LdyAshlynn] A wolf more like a chiuauha aint gonna cut it
[LdyAshlynn] Third is to feel the attributes and project it in first form
[LdyAshlynn] Son did all, rapidly
[northstar] feel I get, but how meant "project"??
[LdyAshlynn] you all will too, in time
[LdyAshlynn] You actually focus a short distance ahead of you
[northstar] hmmmm!
[LdyAshlynn] Into that void, you project the form
[LdyAshlynn] This may be visual t you, auditory
[LdyAshlynn] Or what ever is your forte
[northstar] thats fascinating when you where you are becomes the animal, to project it from your location instead of at it
[LdyAshlynn] Son was growling, walking as the wolf
[LdyAshlynn] at it?
[Markus] aye
[northstar] meaning where you are, tho you say project the animal ahead of where you be
[LdyAshlynn] No, you create it. Not at the intended scare but as a very real energy form
[LdyAshlynn] A very short distance North
[northstar] yes. and I find that fascinating.
[LdyAshlynn] Obviously, a wolf in your lap won't cut it
[LdyAshlynn] So, you create the independent in form creature
[northstar] I thought once wolf thered be no lap left for it to be sitting on
[LdyAshlynn] next step, is to project your consciousness into it
[LdyAshlynn] Our topic is shape shifting n practical application
[LdyAshlynn] Now, as you move, the form moves ahead of you
[LdyAshlynn] This form may be unseen to you
[LdyAshlynn] May be only a feeling
[northstar] ashlynn how then do you assess success? only by the reaction by others to it?
[Markus] was only feeling for me
[LdyAshlynn] Don't be afraid to try conscious technique
[LdyAshlynn] That is the most accurate measure North
[northstar] ok ashlynn..... thus can't practice it isolated then?
[LdyAshlynn] One can practice in mirror
[northstar] how?
[LdyAshlynn] Oft one will note a feeling of unease
[LdyAshlynn] One can practice in mirror
[LdyAshlynn] The technique is to do the above steps
[northstar] but what would you see in mirror? the animal? (you said one often does not see the shifted form)
[LdyAshlynn] In the mirror, you would focus on your eyes
[LdyAshlynn] Look to your eyes
[northstar] ok
[LdyAshlynn] Dont be afraid to growl aloud, n even feel like an ass
[northstar] not a problem :)
[PhoenixG] :)
[LdyAshlynn] It can and will...if you are capable of it- teach you trechnique
[LdyAshlynn] Questions?
[northstar] can one become an inanimate object?
[northstar] or just animals
[LdyAshlynn] that is under heading of invisibility spells
[northstar] ok... also, if a bird can one fly and see things only a real bird could?
[LdyAshlynn] here we work on something much more difficult
[LdyAshlynn] That is an advanced, but yes
[northstar] wowie
[LdyAshlynn] Can you name some apps you could try it with?
[northstar] to scare off threatening animals or ppl
[northstar] and to gain abilities of animal one becomes, as say, to hear better, stalk, find food etc
[northstar] am I at all on the mark ashlynn?
[LdyAshlynn] Indeed, but in general it is more simplistic
[northstar] ashlynn how so this?
[LdyAshlynn] Well, you'd not be eating
[northstar] hmm yes:)
[LdyAshlynn] lol
[LdyAshlynn] The point is to relieve the immediate situation, not to end mit a wolf as pet
[Markus] but that would be kewl :)