Time -2:07, 1 Dec 1998
From Vic High
Hey guys, just back from Vansterdam.
Finally got to meet with Breeder Steve.
He's quite a generous guy with his time,
and boy can he roll big joints! He rolled
a J of brand X that must have been a
whole 8th! Rope will get me stoned, so that
was way out of my league.
What did get my attention was his aquaponic
setup that he calls "The
Sweetwater System".It employs a double
res setup, one typical, and one
being a fish tank loaded with fish.
Water in the two res's are exchanged
regularily (something like every hour).
He says he never cleans his fish tank, as
all the plants and bottom feeders use
up all wastes. Plants are fed with drip
emmitters via the typical res. pH doesn't
fluctuate and the ppms remain between
300 and 400.
Now these drip emmitters fed two setups.
One was a traditional "dutch pot"
system. You know, the one where each
plant is grown on a 5 gallon pail? He
used a 5 or 6 inch basket that was 3/4
filled with those red balls (I think they are
an expanded clay called "hyrotron"?).
Steve then covered the red balls with 1"
layer of a blend of worm castings and
"Steve's Special Blend". The Special
Blend (2-6-5) is an organic mix comprised
of green sand, rock phosphate, fruit
bat quano, feather meal, steamed bone
meal- regular & fine, kelp meal,
sunflower seed hull ash, canola seed
meal, cotton seed meal, alfalfa meal,
langbeinite, corn gluten meal, pyro
clay, diatomaceous earth, and calcium
peroxide. Initially, the low nitrogen
surprised me, but then after I thought about it,
I realized that the plants were probably
getting all the nitrogen they needed from
the fish tank. I believe there was an
air stone in teh bottom of each pail. Seven
weeks ago Steve planted tomato seeds
into the medium and now the plants are
3 feet tall and have softball sized
green tomatoes on them. WOW!
The second setup was basically a large
table, 4' high, covered with something
like 1/4" dense plastic. Holes were
cut in it to hold the 4" or 5" net cups. Again
the cups were filled with the reddish
clay balls and topped with the special blend
and worm castings. Again the net baskets
were fed with drip emitters. What
interested me is what happened under
those net cups.
A large pond liner tarp was suspended
under the net cups to catch the water
and funnel it back into the typical
res. There was about 3' between the bottom of
the net cups and the bottom of the tarp.
And you know what this means?????
LOTSA ROOM FOR ROOTS! Big roots equal
big buds in my book. This feature
had me totally stoked!
I'm one that has had little respect for
the hydroponic side of our hobby for some
time. I've watched others playing with
the large numbers of clones and shaken
my head (legal risk). I've watched them
fight pH drifts and shaken my head. I've
watched them fight root rot and shaken
my head. I've watched them lose entire
crops due to pump or power failures
and shaken my head. I've watched them
pumping in the chems (hurting the environment)
and shaken my head. I've
watched them be proud of their 1-2 lbs
per light in their high intensity gardens
and shaken my head. Well I've stopped
shaking my head for this one. Steve's
way of working with the Dutch Pot system
seems to take care of all my
hydroponic concerns. I just wish I wasn't
too stoned to have asked him what he
fed his fish and why his emmitters didn't
clog.
Time 18:03, 29 Nov 1998
From Vic High (?????)
Well, looks as if i have some more housecleaning when I get back.
Yes I do have an email addy, but the
point is that NO ONE has ever emailed me
there. We'll just have to see if I was
dumb enough to give my ISP legit info. But
like I said, NO ONE has gotten close
enough to find out.
Budm - preflower developement will occur
differently under various conditions.
Maybe your FOAF can't see them because
they aren't there yet? Good luck.
Time -1:34, 29 Nov 1998
From Pauly
I think I remember your challenge, Vic. You offered about 40 or 50 seeds
to anyone who could email you thru your isp server.
Time 14:40, 28 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi, I hope everyones having a good weekend, Anyway my friend is still having the prolbem with his Romberys. He went out and got one of those pocket 30x magnifiyers, and due to his poor eyesight, broke out Ed Rs and Mel Franks Books with the M./F pix, and still cant see any of what determines M/F. Does it become mor pronounced in the 7-8 week, and become easier to determine? Also how many weeks would someone keep a seedling in a Solo 16oz cup, before replanting? Thanks for the help.
Peace
Time -1:33, 28 Nov 1998
From Vic High
Thanks bro! site definately needed cleaning.
Ok, you net bullies, if you really are feeling powerful, then email
me at the ISP
account that I log onto the net at. That is the ONLY way that you can
convince
me that you have any ability to trace me. I'll even make it easy for
you and post
this without using a proxy. Better yet, post the name that owns my
ISP account!
I'm surfing naked, so if you can't even do that, then your deck is
empty, so
begone! Don't even bother wasting your time posting who my internet
provider
is, that's child's play and says nothing, there are thousands of subscribers
to
this internet service provider. Find me if you can.
To all newcomers, I've posted this challange in the past. To date no
one has
ever been able to track me down. First security tip is to make sure
that your
browser won't accept cookies. Second is to never open attatched files
in ICQ or
email, or such. Third, don't open mail from strangers. Just a couple
of simple
rules that has kept me safe and sound. Although, I'll set an example
here and
post without a proxy here, it is best to learn to use one and surf
with them.
Budm - thanks for the warning. I think that post was simply some sort
of bait to
get me to post there. I just haven't felt like obliging yet, haha.
Time 14:33, 27 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi Vic, Hey I saw a post that I think you should look at, someone is
trying to be
you, for what agenda it may serve, I dont know. They claim you are
going to realease a new "Kong" type strain.The post is transparant in the
fact that your name is black. Its at can.com breeding board. I just thought
you would like to know. They say inpersanation is flaterty, check it out.
peace
Time -1:15, 27 Nov 1998
From Vic High
Aeric - happy T-day to you as well. We canucks ate turkey some time ago, but hell, had to celabrate again to honour our southern friends, haha ....... So your one of the Bros are ya? LMAO .... I did not know that!
Budm - you got me there. That is one trend that I've never noticed,
but then again, I have never really looked at that aspect. I just go by
preflowers, but I'll give your friend's problem some thought. It's amazing
what comes to you in your sleep :)
Time 19:49, 26 Nov 1998
From 67ed
Budm, I don't know anything about Romberry, but I don't think you can
tell the sex by how much the stem is thickening. Doesn't he have anyone
around with good eyesight? Peace
Time 19:28, 26 Nov 1998
From 67ed
I just harvested a two foot thai that had flowered for 98 days. There
was a yellowing leaf problem that didn't get corrected until the final
2 weeks, and she lost all her fans and some of the inner leaves, too. The
buds ripened unevenly, but the main harvest took 98 days to flower. 85%
outdoor grown. The buds were skinny and mostly smelled like hay, but what
a surprise when I lit a joint! It's a potent, full, up high like the pot
I remember from the early 70's. I'm trying to decide if I should cross
homegrown fantasy haze with this thai, but maybe I should just leave it
as it is. This thai is about what I was looking for. Peace
Time 16:27, 26 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi Vic, and Co.Vic or any helpfull soul, AFOAF has a diabetic condition,that
effects his eyesight,(even a magnifier does little to help). the question
is he has a couple of five and a half week old Romb's, and he is having
a hard time identifying M/F, can you tell me some of the character traits
with this strain, that might help? One RB that has been set in the dark,
on 12/12 while the others are still 24/0, is starting to get a fatter stem
near the top internodes, is this indicative of a female getting ready for
the weight of colas? any help is great. Thanks, Peace
Time 08:07, 26 Nov 1998
From aeric77
hey Vic......happy American Turkey Day to ya....
Time 16:52, 24 Nov 1998
From toker2
blueberry surprise huh?sounds like somethin the ol lady would throw
down on sunday night hehe.well it's kinda a pisser when shit like that
happens, but....it does. no room for anymore seedlings at the moment but
thanks just the same.whoever does grow them out should be able to spot
the haze influence fairly early i would think
Time 18:18, 22 Nov 1998
From Lady J
hi all,
My initial reaction to ot1's numbers would be that 95% makes the process
statistically
acceptable. If 95 of 100 plants are true female I don't think many
would complain. But
again, I have not looked at the research myself to know anything more
specific. One
possibility would be that a seed formed in a calyx that has been saturated
with a hormone
could potentially be affected later on. If these seeds are mixed in
with seeds from
non-treated pollinated females, we wouldn't know if there was a difference
in the two
seed types. A successful experimental design would take this variable
into account.
Peace
Time 16:10, 22 Nov 1998
From Vic High
Budm - definately please keep us posted. I think both Lady J and I would
be
interested in any autoflowering observations. I'm currently trying
out two ww
hybrids; ncga's bluewidow, and homegrown fantaseed's ww/afghani (white
widow
special). There is some of bubbi's blueberry, g13/nl, a couple of kush
varieties
as well in this batch, and the widow genetics are monsters, with the
bluewidows
being the biggest. ???
Time 16:03, 22 Nov 1998
From Vic High
My GA comments were more of an intellectual trolling of sorts. I was
fishing for
more info as you supplied OT1. I too would love to be proven wrong,
haha. My
comments were also more theoretically based than based on practical
experience.
But yes I've played with GA. I originally did it to see if I could duplicate
ED R's
results, and I was successful on many strains. I used the same source
as Ed R,
potassium gibberelate in aerosol form. I've tried it on romulan a couple
of times
with mixed results. Both times I couldn't get any true male flowers
but did get
some stamens amongst the female calyxes. These stamens wouldn't shed
pollen
though.
My hunch from from my genetic understanding and limited GA experience
is/was
that the pollen from the stamens that grow from amongst the calyxes
produce all
female seed. Pollen from complete male flowers can produce males. OT1
and
others with GA experience, what kind of male flowers did you end up
with to get
male offspring? Also, did you use any of those rare males for breeding?
Just
curious what kind of male/female ratios they would produce.
Elbow - My position on GA is that it is a very usefull tool in learning
the hidden
genetics of special clones. When cubing a clone, I feel that limited
use of the
all-female seeds could be useful. I also feel that it can be dangerous
in a serious
breeding program if one isn't careful. Many Vancouver seed breeders
love their
GA and they also have a problem with hermies, coincidence? I'm not
saying that
GA creates hermie offspring, but just that it is hard to select against
the hermie
trait when you are creating them on purpose.
Budm - I know little of what holland has been doing with GA and have
no opinion
on it.
Time 15:31, 22 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi Ot1, At www.seedbank.co.ukI have noticed that they have several
Female only offerings of Dutch Passion strains, I dont think they have
given up,
cause I have seen a couple of other
banks (Jocks) who are soon going to have DP's Female only offerings.
I would
like to know if any one has exp with Ingmar's strains from WHite widow
Web, as I
have the Cal Orange X Master widow, and the Skunk X Master Widow, they
got
delivered Friday to my Bros addy in Montreal, I should have them next
week, and
am tenitively, for a Jan
germ date. If any one is intrested, I will keep them uprised, of
developements.They were one hell of a bargain 11 beans of each for
65usd
delivered! Should I be exicited?
Peace
Time 15:12, 22 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
Vic humbled be blowed “lol”, Why should you be humbled you have the
best info
site for puff on the net especially for organic growing its unique!!
Apart from that
we all learn from one another thats what life should be about. As far
as how male
or female the cannabis plant is, well from my anecdotal observations
over 850 of
es alone are grown a year and it never produces a male flower no matter
how it’s
messed about! Yet when when sex reversed and self pollinated the seed
produced 5% males I’m not a scientist but I’m
100%certain that there was no other pollen involved.
Maybe Lady J has some idea why? I reckon its worth a try on your part
with
Romulan and for you I would rather be proved right in this case. I've
only done it
twice and both times the progeny have produced males. I was looking
for female
only seeds and couldn't get them, so I failed and shelved the project
until I knew
more! More interestingly Dutch passion who were able to charge a lot
more for
all female seeds also don't offer them any more I wonder why?
All the best Ot1.
Time 15:07, 22 Nov 1998
From elbow
vic, have you done some experimenting with GA?
curious to know your results as i am not familiar with your original
position on GA.
Time 14:44, 22 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi Vic, What do you mean about GA, are you reffering to the mass marketing,
of
the female only seeds comming out of A-Dam, by Dutch Passion ? Or is
you
inpending humbling bassed on something closer to home? My RomBerrys
are
4weeks tommrow, and they are just starting there lat branches from
the
internodes, they are on 8-9 internodes real tight spaced and measure
9inches
tall. In a super soil type mix, 24/0, 400mh, light feedings every other
watering,Oxplus each watering 3-4 days, is there devolpment average?
These
plants look great! And this first timmer finds them
easy to work with. Thanks again!
Peace
Budm
Time 11:52, 22 Nov 1998
From Vic High
Budm - I know what you mean, I think we all have been humbled somewhat
here
in one way or another. I'm sure I'm about to be humbled about my position
on
GA induced all female seeds, haha. A goodway to learn I figure :)
Time 02:50, 22 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
Budm Its nice to know its read. Grow well Ot1.
Time 00:26, 22 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi again, I spent 2 1/2 hours on the BCGA archives, And I am so very
humbled
to be in such company! Vic thanks for your reply. And Ot1 I have learned
so
much history from your posts! Thanks
for having me! Ill say it again I love this place. Peace a prosperty
to all.
Budm
Time -2:49, 22 Nov 1998
From m.g.
eric, i have yet to see a plant that didn't do well in the summer heat.they
all grow pretty much the same (in my experiences) as long as they have
plenty
of h2o during the hottest times.both bb and romberry were grown in
5 gal.
pots (outside of pot painted white before planting) and both strains
grew to the
6' +/- level using ONLY premium potting soil (i use "whitney farms")
and ferts
VERY SPARINGLY...in other words, i don't mess with the "fancy shit".
Time 09:30, 21 Nov 1998
From ERIC
hey MG
how does blueberry and romberry do in the hot as summer months. and do you think ( i have no idea how large they get outdoors..well i have an idea but need to know) that five gallons of soil in a five gallon bucket with potassium based water crystals will give enuff soil per plant to bring to maxium size.
see im sure the plants will survive and im aware that the tap root will deffently be root bound. Just as long as they can reach mature size with out having to be watered every third day...the crystals will be added 2 ounces per bucket..and they need to make it 7 days between watering.
whet do you guys think?
Time 08:27, 21 Nov 1998
From Vic High
Just a quick post before buddy picks me up for another day at the grind. I know I'm missing responding to many earlier posts and I'm sorry. It's absolutely nothing personal.
Budm - I see no problem with pruning as long as you keep keep the number of main colas at 4 or less. I've found that I get diminished returns if I have too mainy main colas. What I do is say prune top at 12". and then in two weeks prune away the top node with the top two colas. Then two weeks before flowering I would pinch back all lower branches except top 4 main colas. That's how I hold back my veg plants if I have a shortage of space in the flower room. I never do any main pruning within 2 weeks of going to flower to ensure I get good cola production.
C14 - On the chromosomal level, I figure there is still alot I don't
understand on cannabis sexual expression and determination. It's definately
more complex than simply X & Y genes, haha. However, I have a very
sneaky suspicion that if you are getting males when doing completely isolated
selfing pollinations, you may be working with some natural hermies or exposing
your girls to outside pollen. Just MHO.
Time 07:58, 21 Nov 1998
From Budm
Hi Vic, & Co. Been Lurking fo some time now I love this place! I have a question,AFOF has five Rombabys 6 weeks old under 400mh, They have another 6 weeks in Veg to go, cause his closet has only one area,And there are 8 Jack Flash 2week old kids, that need to veg 6 more weeks till he puts in the 400hps conv bulb and does 12/12. The question is, with pruning can I accomplish, letting the JF, catch up with the RB, in a attempt to have a sorta unoform light to plant distance? Just for the record They are in Soil, Very much like the SuperSoil mix, 24/0 light 1/2 strenth BioBlend growth & Superthrive, every other watering. Sorry for the long post.Any and all replys greatly apprechited, Have a good holiday to all of the bros, and sis's in the US,
Peace
Time 01:10, 21 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
LadyJ I think that if you you used the dilutions I used 5 times daily
they may have been irreversibly damaged. as it was they wilted down then
had distorted and stretched growth. It sounds like a better idea to go
lighter more regularly. Ot1.
Time -3:53, 21 Nov 1998
From Lady J
hi all,
ot1>>Thanks for the response. I looked in Marijuana Botany and there was a citation that used 100ppm GA3 foliar spray for five days consecutively. Some pistillate plants (no numbers were given)developed staminate clusters and were selfed with acceptable results. I will try to find the actual paper that Clarke references (I've done this before) and see exactly what was done. It could be a more convenient way to maintain large clone-based gene pools.
Peace
Time 15:28, 20 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
c14 No prob as I said I’ll keep you in mind! As I said below I’m working
on other
project at the mo my space is limited.
Mota I get very good results with the 600 400 combination but if I was
in the
states I would be very tempted to try the agro sun 1 k halide. Our
HQIT metal
halide run of a 400 w sodium ballast puts out 42000 lumens the sodium
lamp
58000 lumens a 600 w sun t plus sodium puts out 98000 lumens our lights
are
different to yours because our mains voltage is 240 v so all our lights
have their
igniters with the ballast not the lamp. So our results may not be directly
comparable but to my mind the resin quality and quantity is best with
a mix.
Time 11:16, 20 Nov 1998
From Mota
Thanks oldtimer1 on your advise regarding the 1000W combo light.The
Sunlight system I'm talking about is made in the USA.I've been using
a
400W MH for both veg and flowering. It seems that the buds are different
when
compared with buds grown under an HPS.I'm definetly for quality and
not
quantity.So far the MH has served me well, is it just me or are the
buds
more resiny grown under a MH?
PAZ
Time 08:01, 20 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
LadyJ I’ve been looking back through my diaries and cant find what I
did with the
GA It was a bit heath Robinson anyway. From what I can remember I got
the GA
in tablet formI think it was 1 or .1 gram and I used about 1/4 tab
to a litre
of demin water per spray.the clone vars were sprayed to run off a week
after rooting through on 18/6 and again 10 days later with the lights
changed to
12/12 at the same time, In about three weeks both male and female flowers
were
present. Pollenwas taken and used on unsprayed cuttings of the same
variety. I’ve only ever done it on two varieties, one produced 5% males
the other
about 8%.Both the original plants have never produced a hermy I still
have and
grow them regularly one for 15 years the other 8 y. It made me realise
that my
concept of male female was not quite right. I was looking for ga earlier
this year
as I was going do some work on the e series I got side tracked on another
project but will come back to it in 18 months or so. On your side of
the pond you
can get it pre mixed in spray cans, I think I found it in a link from
the BCGA main
page if not Vic can probably point you in the right direction. In fact
Vic if Romulan
is not an F1 you could have it pure breeding in one generation using
this
method. Even with an F1 the recombinations are closer than brother
and sister.
All the bestOt1.
Time 17:07, 19 Nov 1998
From west coast
good to be back viewing this exellent site. Vic high is the man i respect.
hey vic can you give me some advice just invested some fat coin in
the organic scene..found the dude at pacific north west was very friendly,
but a tad to heaty for me...these dudes shouldnt roast fatties in the back
of the shop.... am having a problem obtaining the proper partners... also
cant get my hands on a steady supply ofkick ass genetics( love the shiskaberry}
any advice.ps. put my ladies in 10 gallon bagsand veg for about a month...peace
to alll
Time 14:02, 19 Nov 1998
From c14
ot1 - hey thanks for the reply :) i do understand totally what your
saying about
the [way to much] downside of the whole seed thing. after just remarking
on the
type i favour myself,i got pestered too, and then abused when i didn't
reply in
two days, just like you say. *yawn* so, i can understand what your
problems
might have been. rest assured i would not ever even ask, my comments
before
are all i have to say about it really. i must admit i havent tried
the current
bubblegum, i gave it away in '93. it was lightly flavoured like bubblegum,
with a
sweet taste and smell. not ultra potent, but certainly pleasant. i
was shocked to
see what they are asking for those seeds - imo $200usd is outrageous.
anyway, i was just asking, and trying to share a little, hope you don't
mind really.
peace,
Time 07:02, 19 Nov 1998
From Budm
This is a very Humbling site, so much to learn, thanks to Vic, OT,67ed,cooki, and everone else, who drops there awesome knowledge, This lurker is learning volumes here, THANK YOU ALL!
Peace
Time 17:44, 18 Nov 1998
From Lady J
Ot1>>what ppm and schedule do you use for GA applications? It seems to me that hermies would not be a problem unless enviromentally produced or unless there is some genetic propensity in the strain. Have you been able to document sex ratios in subsequent generations?
Peace
Time 16:31, 18 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
c14 I’m not working the e series at this time If I do I’ll keep you
in mind. For sex reversal 2 sprays of potassium GA on 12 / 12 hrs always
does the trick but the cubing to fix the line with proper selection take
2+ years as in this case she is a pure F1. I just don't have time to get
involved in the seed business I don’t post my email addy any more because
people write asking or begging for seeds. I know Vic has the same problem
but on a bigger scale, He thought he could ease the prob by making seed
available cheaply for all through a seed vender and all that did was fill
up his hot mail in box with people asking for free seeds, he was talking
about just pulling the plug and I understand why. So I don't do seeds,
people have virtually stopped writing to me asking now, but in the past
some even got abusive when they didn't get a reply within a day or two
its just to much. I’m not suggesting that this is the case with you but
would like you to understand why. I have some theories about Thai and the
hermaphrodite tendency and when i have a bit more time I’ll write them
up and see what you think. No I don't like Bubble Gum, I have a mum made
from a cutting brought from Gronegen selected from a big commercial grow
out, I just don't seem to like indicas that much but may use it in a future
breeding project. All the best Ot1.
Time 14:53, 18 Nov 1998
From justice
hey all have any of you done quick production-style sea of green crops
under flourescents before?
Time 12:58, 18 Nov 1998
From c14
ot1 - respect ! man you are after my own heart so much it's grrrooooovvy!!
if you are at all interested in sharing your strain out, it is possible to get a batch of seeds from a cutting - this is what i do - simply drop the ph sharply to around 6, load on phosphorus, take the light down to around 8 hours, and that's it! a few [probably malformed] male flowers will normally be produced. as soon as this happens, return the plant to nominal ph.
it's worth hooding the plant, or perhaps just moving it to an isolate spot, as the amount of pollen produced can be surprisingly large. testing these seeds is essential - as they are self-fertilised, there are typically many aberrations in the first generation - tricotyledons, monocots, stunted plants, as well as ultra desirable types too...it might be worth mentioning here - i've seen many times people claim that seeds so produced are 100% females..bullshit!
i've used this technique for 15 years, a great many times, and i expect aprox. 75-80% females, no more than that. abberations are common. some plants will be extremely variable between branches, so before i take cuttings, i prefer to grow them out a bit, and have a look at the flower type/form etc...anyways, this is a reliable method for seed production from a single plant. i recommend all you master growers give it a try.
btw, problems such as hermaphroditism are very rare with the seeds i make like this, typically only when those damn thai genes are in there... thai is nice thc-wise, but as anyone who's worked with it knows, adding those genes in means years of refining the results back to remove the undesirable traits.
i know some of you think i'm a bit obsessive in my breeding, but hey, you like bubblegum don't you?
one other remark on your special 15 year-old ot1 - if you are willing to share, pollen produced by the method outlined above can easily be mailed in a christmas card ;)
l8r...
Time 07:50, 18 Nov 1998
From Anonymous
I've started growing as a hobby however I couldn't ever get a good batch. In B.C. it seems that everything you gets is good so I need to know how I can get my hands on a batch of good seeds before the next growing season. They need to be suitable for growing outdoors. I was wondering could you help me out.
Time 02:00, 18 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
Mota It depends on what you want quality or quantity also the genetics of the plants you are using.
When the folk here are talking better potency out doors part of this is due to the fact they are south of my 52 deg lat, they have real sun. Secondly indoors they are probably using sodiums only.
We have found that potency is improved using halide in addition to sodium during flowering especially with sat heavy vars. I know this goes against tradition but thats what we find. Our grower no 5 produced 100.4 grams per sq ft using 2 x 600 w sodiums only using our vars at 50.78 w per sq ft. The bud are dense full of crystal but the top edge is missing from the stone it just has no zip. My best average using the same mix of plants is 89.8 grams per sq ft with a 600 w S and a 400 w H the difference is a way better smell and a high that is way up there scalp tingling.
If you are talking sunlight systems UK they have a bad rep. We use 21 st century garden lights using separate units then if one goes wrong you grow isn't ruined while its being repaired.When you pick a lamp make sure it’s not a mirror finish type they tend to have hot spots specular aluminium types are best like the HLS and 21st century’s 311 types. They may be dearer but repay in the long run.
67ed Wernard got most of his strains from a guy called old Ed and posies
spec for haze used to be:-
Mostly Mexican and Colombian some southern Indian and Thai A pure breeding
stabilised hybrid pure sativa appearance many slim flowers can be lime
green, dark green, silver blue or purple smell/taste Incredible sticky
sweet. almost sweet and sour smell high very potent, clear up, energetic
high
height 2 -3 metres
yield med - high
harvest date Netherlands natural photo period - end December
12 hr exposure to harvest 12 to 16 weeks
For Holland they recommend glass or poly tunnel with darkening from June with 13 hrs dark to finish September for the best yields and potency. other info inbred 20 years, approx 5 to 10 % are special the rest just so so, 75% are female. This is very close to my strain except the very best go to between 16 and 18 weeks, homegrown must have done what they call improving the strain to reduce the hrs to 10 to 13 because thats not what posi started with. In fact it is very close to what you get with an F1 cross between original haze and original skunk No 1 which is probably closer to the truth.The other thing is to grow original haze well indoors light levels in excess of 100 w per sq ft are needed its not an economical crop.
Eric it is a 15 year old one off sorry!
All the best Ot1.
Time 18:51, 17 Nov 1998<br>
<b><font size=+1>F</font>rom</b>
67ed <p>
<blockquote>
I might add, I heard that their haze
only took 10-13 weeks to flower compared to 12-16 weeks by others, and
I wanted to find out why, so I e-mailed them to ask. Ot1, I recall you
said the best haze took up to 18 weeks to flower, any comments? Peace<br>
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<br><b><font size=+1>T</font>ime</b>
18:42, 17 Nov 1998<br>
<b><font size=+1>F</font>rom</b>
67ed <p>
<blockquote>
Yep, Posi haze is mostly Columbian
x Mexican with small amounts of thai and south Indian. It was created by
"the Haze brothers" in California 20 years ago. Here's an email I got from
Homegrown fantasy two days ago:<img src="/resources/spacer.gif" alt=""
width=8>High there 76 ED !!
<br>
<br>
Our Haze is indeed from Posi's genetics,
the flowering times do differ. Hydro tends to be quicker. Bio ( on soil)
we find cantake 1 - 2 weeks longer. 10 - 13 weeks would be most likely
on a hydro base. Of course there is some variation from growroom to growroom,
even though it's the same strain. Haze is one of our most popular strains
and is well worth the wait. A real uphigh of cosmic proportions.
<br>
<br>
Wishing you stickey fingers,Isolde &
John>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eric, I agree, that's why I fought to grow
the thai outdoors, only bringing it in to the HPS when temps went below
50 degrees. I just can't get potent plants growing indoors! I had a haze
hybrid from Neville 9 years ago, and made thousands of seeds, but my house
was broken in to, and all seeds stolen! Since then, getting more haze has
been a real obsession with me. Peace<br>
</blockquote>
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<br><b><font size=+1>T</font>ime</b>
17:44, 17 Nov 1998<br>
<b><font size=+1>F</font>rom</b>
Lady J <p>
<blockquote>
Haze is a sativa hybrid. If I remember
right, they mentioned mexican,columbian and thai in varying degrees. This
would explain some of the variation I saw in the hybrids Nevil sent me.
Some of the extreme sativa characteristics included one plant with a 6"
sport in 24hrs. That happened right after the induction of flowering. Outdoors
they would have been giants.
<br>
<br>
Peace<br>
</blockquote>
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<br><b><font size=+1>T</font>ime</b>
17:22, 17 Nov 1998<br>
<b><font size=+1>F</font>rom</b>
ERIC <p>
<blockquote>
hey toker2 if im right i believe that
haze is a satavia that has south american genetics
<br>
my experience with the satavias is that
outside they will knock you on the floor with a smile
<br>
but the same clone inside will just
give you a smile..
<br>
so your assesment is correct..hell to
tell you the truth EVERY STRAIN i have tried outdoors my friends grew inside
and mine is always more potent....<br>
Time 12:50, 17 Nov 1998
From toker2
stix i just finished some posi original
haze for the most part under 44w/sq'.the
clones were taken from outdoor mothers.the
outdoor buds at 7 weeks had far
better potency and taste than the indoors
had at 12 weeks.it did make some
righteous size buds indoors and a nice
yield,approx 2 oz/plant.unfortunately,it
just didn't have the kick of it's outdoor
mother.i really believe haze needs far
more lumens
Time 12:43, 17 Nov 1998
From Mota
OT1,
What do you think about Sunlight Systems
400MH/600HPS combo
light?Do you think it is better than
using a 1000W HPS for flowering?
PAZ
Time 12:41, 17 Nov 1998
From Mota
Vic,
Did you get my e-mail?
PAZ
Time -3:10, 17 Nov 1998
From righteous nugs
hey, has anyone out there ever grown
or smoked blue moonshine.i just
recieved an order of seeds and can't
wait to start them.If anyone's got any
information on the strain, i would GREATLY
appreciate it if you could share it
with me.----thanks
Time -3:09, 17 Nov 1998
From stix
Mirage>>Afraid that was someone else
with the Red Stripe, Cooki I think. As for
the nl5xhaze, I tried it both on e f
table with 40+ wsqft and in e f trays with much
less light, bout 30 wsqft using gh nutes
with fox farm and ej catalyst in both
systems. Most plants in strain outgrew
table and were moved to trays but a
couple stayed short enough and bloomed
profusely-large as a football and
loose as could be. Ones in trays were
more sativa and finished bout 6 feet and
were more potent with better looking
buds, tho still loose. They are covered with
resin. More light would have been a
big plus and perhaps the sole reason my
results werent as good as your own.
Air turnover every minute in both grows. Im
not as dissappointed since Ive sampled
them since theyve matured, the early
samples werent too potent at all-I think
they were worth the effort cause they do
express the haze pretty well in the
smoke and thats always a treat.
Time 20:57, 16 Nov 1998
From stix
Lady J>>I agree with that, this strain
is very stable, with the most
Indica-influenced individual still very
much sativa dominate. Out of 9 females
only one produces the "braided" type
buds its known for, but its been an
intresting experience. I still think
Nevilles is much much better tho.
OT1>>Hehe, she sounds better and better.
Im with you on the hazes. You might
wanna try haze/skunk if you havent yet,
great taste and mellow high(for haze)
and I bet with your organics it would
be a tasty delight.
Time 20:42, 16 Nov 1998
From MIRAGE
BTW , I have a few NL#5 Haze that I have
just harvested , I was really happy with
the product produced . Fat tight buds
, minimal stretching.. and mine was from
Mike , straight from Sensei. Mine gained
height of around 5 and a half foot , they
yielded pretty well as well.
I bent them over and it increased the
yield.
I believe that you are dealing with
more variables then just a bad seed . How is
your lighting ? Maximized? And your
air flow ? and what are you feeding it ?
Time 20:32, 16 Nov 1998
From MIRAGE
Stix ~ I'd like to source some of that
"Red Stripe" . I'll swap something for it
...What do you think ?
Time 15:46, 16 Nov 1998
From ERIC
Time 10:12, 16 Nov 1998
From stix
OT1>>Damn, I think Im fallin in love with one of your ladies(5ft tall,
skinny, long buds, fall over on first
toke),
hope you dont mind. I find her irresistable.
olt1>>>>>> what strain is the refering
to ???
is it available??
Time 15:22, 16 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1
Stix it isn't like that, it comes in
medium fast it feels like the rush will never stop
then after about 30 to 40 minutes things
become very clear and easy. This is
when the uninitiated make the mistake
of rolling another one, because its like a
roller coaster ride the next one is
usually bigger than the first. Well when they
have another during that first lucid
period it usually all gets to much, white out
time! Once your used to it you just
sit back and enjoy the ride and have another
hit a bit later on that is if you have
the time.
A true funny story This guy has to drive
from London down the M3 [ like an
interstate highway] to the new forest
area every day and puffs a bit to cope with
the boredom. He gets a bit this grass
and rolls a big one neat, a short while later
he's finding it difficult to cope somehow
makes it across the lanes to the hard
shoulder misjudges it and ends up the
embankment he gets out and just sits on
the grass. Then the police arrive he
is shaking they think he’s having a fit or
something, eventually he gets it through
to them that he feels a bit unwell but
thinks he will be ok in a bit, so they
take him on to the next service area and get
him settled down with a cup of coffee
and arrange for a recovery truck to bring
his van there. He said once he was alone
he had fits of giggles for ages
because the cops were so kind to him
because they thought he was ill and if
they had realised he was stoned it would
have been cuffs and bruises and he
would have lost his job. Its one of
his fav smokes now but he never uses it when
he’s driving. Personally I prefer my
haze hybrids they make me feel good every
time.
ERIC Indoors my Blue berries 18 female
from seed shortest 32 inches tallest 42
inches av about 3 ft outdoors on a full
season don't know but must be bigger.
All the best Ot1.
Time 15:16, 16 Nov 1998
From Lady J
stix>>I believe the sensi nl5xhaze is
a "stabilized hybrid" and not the f1
corss that nevil produced. I gew his,
and it was incredible.
Peace
Time 13:57, 16 Nov 1998
From c14
americanpitbull - ok, so you know your
shit when it comes to nutrient/light
manipulation for potency. please, share
it! much of your method will be specific
to your strains, they do all respond
differently after all [ like thai for example -
needs a LOT more phosphorus than is
usual, hence its crappyness in avg soils -
it looks like its in a K-rich soil when
the P is less than abundant...]anyways,
lets see your methods man - information
is our best weapon in the fight for
freedom :)
myself, i know that too much lime kills
resin production, so much so that a potent
plant can become unsmokably weak. magnesium
is needed by all resin
producing plants, but resin isn't thc
is it?whatever, share it if you know it,
the world will be a better place...
Time 12:47, 16 Nov 1998
From justice
hey pitbull, man this place is all about
sharing, and we love to get technical, so if
you want to man, tell us your secrets,
and i won't bark back, (maybe just a few
questions though).
Time 10:24, 16 Nov 1998
From stix
Finally pulled the plug on some nl5xhaze
from sensi Ive been speaking in less
than glowing tones about. In some respects
I spoke too soon-it is ugly, loose
buds, and almost totally unwilling to
finish up, but-it is potent. The haze really
came thru in this cross with a soaring
up high, unlike Nevilles original which
leaned much more to its NL5 parent.
Good yeild too. Not as potent as original,
not debilitating high like original,
but very good haze type high. I apologize for
being impatient and not giving this
strain its proper dues in previous posts about
it.
Time 10:12, 16 Nov 1998
From stix
OT1>>Damn, I think Im fallin in love
with one of your ladies(5ft tall, skinny, long
buds, fall over on first toke), hope
you dont mind. I find her irresistable.
Time 07:48, 16 Nov 1998
From ERIC
hey ..
can someone tell me how tall BCGA's
blueberry gets...
and will 5 gallons of soil be enough
for each plant...(5 gallon bucket filled to one
inch below top..
will this be enough soil to bring it to mature size to harvest OUTSIDE
and what is the average OUTDOOR yeild with this plant??
thanks guys
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