Wednesday, August 23rd at 10 p.m. EDT Topic: The Imact of TOC Summary: The main focus of the meeting was to determine what, if any, points of our wishlist we needed to add, redefine, or resubmit. All were in general agreement that Customer Care and the user interfaces to technical assistance, help, and system status needed a lot of improvement (see our subsequent report Focus on Item #10 at end of this transcript). Attendance: ClubFoundersClub (AngelPie_Mouse), Mistybunny, Lo_Forde, damsel_in_ddk, Garrit_Sherova, multicat01, kitt3n13, Secretive__, ArrylT, NOWAYWINS. mistybunny enters. mistybunny says, Hi clubfoundersclub, mistybunny says, why aren't you here as AngelPie? Lo_Forde enters. Lo_Forde says, hi guys Lo_Forde says, hi Gwen mistybunny says, I don't know where Angel is Lo_Forde says, bet you every one is watching that silly show clubfoundersclub is away (Auto-Away). mistybunny says, i was clubfoundersclub is back. clubfoundersclub says, Woah Lo_Forde says, love the avatar. mistybunny says, but am also taping it clubfoundersclub says, I didn't see you all come in mistybunny says, I'll watch it later mistybunny says, we snuck in Angel mistybunny says, thanks lo, I like your mouse too Lo_Forde says, what is so great about it? the show I mean....Hi Angel clubfoundersclub says, cuz I am also presently writing to the TOC message board mistybunny says, remember the cabbage patch dolls? So ugly they were cute? mistybunny says, well thats this show.......so stupid its interesting Lo_Forde says, yes, same principle? mistybunny says, yup Lo_Forde says, what are you writing to the TOC Angel? clubfoundersclub says, You mean TOC gets weird? mistybunny says, on my guiding list, we all decided that they should put guiders in that game .......we'd win clubfoundersclub says, well, I use this ID in TOC clubfoundersclub says, and lots of people confuse clubfoundersclub with clubsproducer clubfoundersclub says, I don't see why Lo_Forde says, lol Lo_Forde says, could be useful clubfoundersclub says, No, we had a sort of war this afternoon. Some lady came in and challenged Warren's right to have an official club. clubfoundersclub says, demanded his credentials. Lo_Forde says, oh?? mistybunny says, wow mistybunny says, what did he say? clubfoundersclub says, so, I told her all the evidence we had that he was who said and she said I was either stupid or involved in the conspiracy clubfoundersclub says, and it just got worse from there Lo_Forde says, great, another crazy clubfoundersclub says, he deleted most of her messages and left mine up mistybunny says, was she a shit disturber clubfoundersclub says, I was saying read the back posts from this morning, he just answered this question for someone else clubfoundersclub says, read the TOC homepage, it's all there in black and white Lo_Forde says, well, I guess if you've decided to not beleive in something, there is nothing that will make you clubfoundersclub says, well, she was going on and on how she wrote Yahoo! to either confirm his ID or Delete his club. clubfoundersclub says, Some people just know how to spoil a party. mistybunny says, the nerve jeeze clubfoundersclub says, well, writing Yahoo! wasn't the problem. If she had been satisfied to do that and wait for reply, that would have been fine. clubfoundersclub says, It was plastering it all over the message board over and over again that was crazy. Lo_Forde says, there seems to be a lot of anger at that club, why is that? clubfoundersclub says, So, now his message board numbers look a bit swiss cheesed. damsel_in_ddk enters. clubfoundersclub says, Hi Damsel damsel_in_ddk says, hi Lo_Forde says, hi DID clubfoundersclub says, Okay, who's using Voice? damsel_in_ddk says, it takes so long to get into these chats Lo_Forde says, not me clubfoundersclub says, I always get lagged when someone uses voice. mistybunny says, no voice here damsel_in_ddk says, dont have it on Garrit_Sherova enters. damsel_in_ddk says, so what have we talking about? damsel_in_ddk says, Hello Garrit Lo_Forde says, hi Garrit Garrit_Sherova says, hi mistybunny says, Hi DID hello Garrit clubfoundersclub says, Hi Garrit Garrit_Sherova says, brb Garrit_Sherova leaves. damsel_in_ddk says, so what did I miss? clubfoundersclub says, I was just saying there was sort of flame war in TOC this afternoon clubfoundersclub grins evilly. damsel_in_ddk says, what else is new Garrit_Sherova enters. Garrit_Sherova leaves. Garrit_Sherova enters. mistybunny says, I couldn't make it to that chat.....was busy running errands clubfoundersclub says, what was new was I got into it damsel_in_ddk says, I lasted about a week in there damsel_in_ddk says, I can't stomach that place Garrit_Sherova says, i am a member of TOC but i never post messages there clubfoundersclub says, and the strange part...he deleted the messages from the other person and left mine up mistybunny says, I can't follow it.......too fast Lo_Forde says, I never joined, read it and it makes me go nuts damsel_in_ddk says, OH Dirt!!!! tell me the dirt mistybunny says, too much, I was doing well till I went away and then couldn't keep up clubfoundersclub says, damsel_in_ddk says, I'll go kick someone's butt for you, just tell me who to kill clubfoundersclub says, yah, I've been trying to keep up clubfoundersclub says, some of the off-topic questions that people ask about chat problems and such, I try to answer in e-mail clubfoundersclub says, you know, attaching my name is cool advertising for CFC damsel_in_ddk says, yes it is clubfoundersclub says, not that I expect we will get many members out of TOC, nor that I want to...now that I think about it mistybunny says, your right angel it sure is.....i've notice an increase in membership again damsel_in_ddk says, so what was the fight multicat01 enters. clubfoundersclub says, Hi Multicat01 damsel_in_ddk says, please give me the dirt Lo_Forde says, last week I noticed some new names at CFC that I'd seen at TOC multicat01 says, Hi everybody. Lo_Forde says, hi multicat Garrit_Sherova says, hey multicat damsel_in_ddk says, hi Multicat clubfoundersclub says, well, to be honest, unless we can come up with some cool things we would like added to the wishlist...I think TOC may have run its bolt mistybunny says, HI Mulitcat damsel_in_ddk says, I think the same thing with that club Garrit_Sherova says, yes, most of the questions people ask will be resolved with the merger clubfoundersclub says, it's now down to "Who's Warren?" every day sometimes twice a day. damsel_in_ddk says, I believe the people who care enough already got in there and asked for the things we all need multicat01 says, I think with the merger in the works, TOC will still be a good forum for learning first hand what the merger will mean for us. kitt3n13 enters. damsel_in_ddk says, what merger? damsel_in_ddk says, I am out of the loop clubfoundersclub says, That depends Garrit_Sherova says, the yahoo-egroups merger multicat01 says, I'm just sorry it has brought out the worst in human nature. kitt3n13 says, hi! just in from work. what's going on? damsel_in_ddk says, I dont know anything about egroups clubfoundersclub says, I joined an e-group club...thanks LO...and I gotta tell you, I don't like the layout mistybunny says, Hi Kitt clubfoundersclub says, some of the features are cool though...polls Lo_Forde says, you can in a way Angel kitt3n13 says, eGroups...I had a group over there for my Care and Feeding ofYour Brit club. It tanked big-time. Too screwy a system, I thought. Too complicated. I did like th polls, though, but most members said they couldn't even find it! damsel_in_ddk says, can't they make the club emails like the yahoo email? Garrit_Sherova says, if you turn off all email in egroups, it works just like yahoo clubs clubfoundersclub says, I hope so Lo_Forde says, you can opt for web mail clubfoundersclub says, yah, but a post to the message board is an automatic e-mail multicat01 leaves. Lo_Forde says, yes but you do not have to receive it kitt3n13 says, the egroups allows for individual emails, a daily digest or just reading them on the site rather than getting email multicat01 enters. clubfoundersclub says, I sent one today that I thought I was simply replying to sender on clubfoundersclub says, oops mistybunny says, I really think its important to have an addy book for the founders kitt3n13 says, you have to select which you want multicat01 leaves. multicat01 enters. damsel_in_ddk says, yes I think so to multicat01 leaves. kitt3n13 says, if you reply to the emails of posts, it does get "posted". damsel_in_ddk says, I dont like that we can't get their emails clubfoundersclub says, I found that out the hard way damsel_in_ddk says, I am SURE all of you have had this happen damsel_in_ddk says, you send an email out and a couple come back to you Garrit_Sherova says, yes that always happens damsel_in_ddk says, over time the SAME address come back to you clubfoundersclub says, and see, Lo invited me to join...which is great, but then I discovered that I already had an e-group ID damsel_in_ddk says, so you KNOW the person is gone, and the email is NOT on anyone's profile clubfoundersclub says, I didn't connect that eGroup and Onelist were the same thing. Lo_Forde says, ah that is why you are on twice. damsel_in_ddk says, so I never know who the heck to deleted to remove that person multicat01 enters. clubfoundersclub says, so now both my IDs are members Garrit_Sherova says, i usually get back emails from members who mispelled their email address... multicat01 leaves. multicat01 enters. multicat01 leaves. clubfoundersclub says, I never tried that poll feature before so I posted one, LO multicat01 enters. multicat01 leaves. multicat01 enters. multicat01 leaves. kitt3n13 says, I think we should have a way to look up the email, but maybe just ASKING members and keeping a list somewhere might help. Like, start an unlisted versoin of your club to use as an address book so only the founders are in and have access to the info? multicat01 enters. clubfoundersclub says, simple question...which do you like best Yahoo! or eGRoup. multicat01 leaves. Lo_Forde says, another good thing with egroups is you do get all mail addys. You did? lol, should I look? multicat01 enters. clubfoundersclub says, hey, no more trial and error scouring Profiles. clubfoundersclub says, I like that kitt3n13 says, plus, the founhders could have private "chat" without having to meet up online, to discuss the club/its members not in front of everyone? multicat01 enters. Lo_Forde says, preset mail messages for new members, refused members, leaving members... Secretive__ enters. clubfoundersclub says, the thing is that they are going to want to try to accomodate both sets of users Secretive__ says, <--- late but hubby was watching survivor Lo_Forde says, hi Secretive clubfoundersclub says, so, some of the features of eGroups will carry over, some from Yahoo! Secretive__ says, hello there Lo_Forde damsel_in_ddk says, I am talking about sehello Secretive damsel_in_ddk says, LOL damsel_in_ddk says, sorry clubfoundersclub says, personally, I like the look and navigation of Yahoo! better Secretive__ says, heheheheheh Secretive__ says, hello DID Lo_Forde says, I am willing to bet they keep the look of Yahoo and add those special features from Egroups damsel_in_ddk says, I was cutting and pasting to someone else clubfoundersclub says, but the stability of eGroups is legend damsel_in_ddk says, and that got all messed up Secretive mistybunny says, I think that they basically need to take the best of both groups to make this work .........there are going to be glitches, not much we can do about it damsel_in_ddk says, I just wanted to say hi multicat01 enters. multicat01 enters. Secretive__ says, DID: it's ok, done it myself a time or two multicat01 leaves. multicat01 enters. Lo_Forde says, egroup chats suck tho kitt3n13 says, yes, Yahoo looks MUCH better, much easier to find your way around the club site clubfoundersclub says, and Yahoo! chat is that much better clubfoundersclub says, hehehe Secretive__ says, well, I wrote in the club here how wierd their main page customization is - looks weird to have other colors on their current 'selection' of a non-changable background clubfoundersclub says, I haven't tried using egroups chat yet multicat01 says, I especially like Yahoo chats through CheetaChat ... which is not letting me connect at the moment (Danger Will Robinson!) clubfoundersclub says, hehehe clubfoundersclub says, I had to explain that message to someone today Secretive__ says, would have to coordinate to work with white and shades of blue, not much uniqueness there Secretive__ says, but that is a minor thing clubfoundersclub says, I take it that eGroups chat does not interface with Cheeta Chat Lo_Forde says, no it does not mistybunny says, well that sucks kitt3n13 says, um, I'm kinda lost. what's cheeta chat? Lo_Forde says, lol, as I said... clubfoundersclub says, Cheeta Chat is software that interfaces with Yahoo! chat damsel_in_ddk says, what if there is an egroup with my club's name....what happens then? Lo_Forde says, Misty, I think they will keep the yahoo interface clubfoundersclub says, it provides a much more comfortable screen without advertising Secretive__ says, DID: good question, I can only think of what yahoo did when they merged with geocities and handled membernames Lo_Forde says, <snd=GUNSHOT> (GUNSHOT) damsel_in_ddk says, well I dont like it Secretive__ says, that may be how they handle 'similar named' groups though damsel_in_ddk says, I am going to go look up the ddk over there damsel_in_ddk says, if one of my members found it and created a club or group or whatever it is, I am goingto go take it over damsel_in_ddk says, I am not giving up my name without a fight Lo_Forde says, oh yes, and the search for groups and clubs is much better organized over there. Plus we are allowed right now to move our club Garrit_Sherova says, there's no chance that there will be an egroup with my club's name... Secretive__ says, have you thought about copyrighting it due to your upcoming homepage and all? damsel_in_ddk says, who me? Secretive__ says, yeah, you can copyright things that are non-commercial Lo_Forde says, why not Garrit? mistybunny says, I'll change my club name "The Best Guiding On The Go" LOL Garrit_Sherova says, it's called GS Game Club... i don't think anyone would name their egroup that clubfoundersclub says, I never thought of that Lo_Forde says, good point damsel_in_ddk says, Not only and I in the middle of copyrighting everything in sight, we are trademarking names, and doing I am officially "Dragon, Damsel & Knight Inc" (doing business as The DDK) and bought up all Theddk websites I could damsel_in_ddk says, Today that should be not "doing I am officially" kitt3n13 says, well, I have to run. Nice getting to chat with you all. Goodnight Lo_Forde says, nite kitt Secretive__ says, nite kitt kitt3n13 leaves. mistybunny says, night Kitt multicat01 says, Good night, kitt3n13 damsel_in_ddk says, Night mistybunny says, So, do you all think that the TOC club is going to last? multicat01 says, It sure got quiet in here. Is everybody watching the Survivor reunion while we're chatting? Garrit_Sherova says, probably not much longer Secretive__ says, misty: hard to say, the boom came down on some of the antics but how long it will be there? who knows Lo_Forde says, I dont think it has a purpose anylonger, not until they start the merge multicat01 says, I think that's going to depend on Warren's willingness to participate. Secretive__ says, it may be up until March or May 2001 -- it may last longer multicat01 says, I do hope it will continue, even if traffic there tapers off when there are no hot issues to discuss. You never know when a hot issue will emerge and it would be nice to have the TOC forum still in place. mistybunny says, well people are abusing the club......not using it for the reasons its there Lo_Forde says, and flaming Secretive__ says, multi: or a nice idea out of the blue Garrit_Sherova says, it will last if warren can keep the members under control Secretive__ says, I know I could be pointed to as one of the culprits for not biting my keyboard's tongue multicat01 says, So true, Misty. Warren needs to step in with a firm hand and take control of the situation ... i.e., delete all the abusive posts. mistybunny says, oh ya thats soooo true Lo_Forde says, I doubt he has the time mistybunny says, I agree with putting his foot down multicat01 says, Secretive, I've got an excuse when my keyboard starts mouthing off ... I blame it on the kitties walking across the keyboard! Lo_Forde says, He probably has gotten all the ideas he wanted anyway Secretive__ says, *shrug* but after a while, it seemed that all the people on there were gettting engrossed in casting personal judgements about folks that they wouldn't know even if they stood in a line behind them at the supermarket mistybunny says, Lo, I don't think Warren thought that this club would go like this, and the purpose of him starting the club is a great idea, but I think people have gone overboard Lo_Forde says, absolutely agree Gwen. Secretive__ says, lo-forde: warren held a similar group with geocities CLs in teh past multicat01 says, Possibly the difficulties in TOC are a good thing. Warren can see first hand some of the problems we, as founders, have to deal with in our own clubs. Lo_Forde says, Just Lo is fine Secretive and how long did he keep that one going? Secretive__ says, he will keep checking the board for new ideas or questions, as I said way back on there - he wants some brainstorming too but not all the brainstorming done by yahoo clubfoundersclub says, that's what I think...he's probably on the user end as a founder for the first time Secretive__ says, Lo: it was a year up in that section of the 'backroom' before I left the CL program Lo_Forde says, if he has any imagination and any practical use of the web, he must have an idea how bad it can get Secretive__ says, I mean, ok... some folks want an e-zine ... now that could be just flopped out and yahoo yea or nay the idea Lo_Forde says, a year eh? hmmm clubfoundersclub says, well, he doesn't know what IRC is...what does that tell you? Lo_Forde says, ouch, Secretive__ says, but he stood around and turned it asking US - founders and members alike - if we thought this was something high in priority or low (nice to have but not important or likely to be used alot) clubfoundersclub says, and I don't think he knows what Usenet is either mistybunny says, well he probably learned a good lesson being a club founder...seeing it for himself clubfoundersclub says, I may be wrong about that multicat01 says, I wish Warren would encourage other Yahoo big-wigs to join the TOC so they can experience first hand what running a club is all about! Then maybe we'd get something better than an automated response to our questions/problems messages to Yahoo. Secretive__ says, cfc: many people on the WWW side don't know about or use IRC clubfoundersclub says, you know what, that's a solid suggestion multicat Lo_Forde says, I do not know many that have used or heard of IRC. Secretive__ says, I only know abotu IRC as that was my first intro to the internet and WWW personal homepages (let along MBs) were not popular yet multicat01 says, I'm one of those who doesn't have any idea what IRC is. Can someone enlighten me, please? Lo_Forde says, same here, I have mirc Secretive__ says, but 1994/1995 was a different 'internet generation" clubfoundersclub says, It used to be the only way to chat up to a year or two ago damsel_in_ddk is away (Auto-Away). Lo_Forde says, Noways just found your poll Angel Secretive__ says, multicat: it is a different set of network servers routed together ... the original interent clubfoundersclub says, Is he angry? mistybunny says, I used m IRC and didn't like it Lo_Forde says, nah, he knows you are around Secretive__ says, it was used by the colleges and military to do what we are doing on the TOC - brainstorm and share ideas clubfoundersclub ducks out of the way. Secretive__ says, it was then opened to the public Lo_Forde says, I liked many things about irc, that is why I was so comfy with CC at first clubfoundersclub says, well, I don't want to make a pest of myself in your club Lo_Forde says, you are not, dont worry Lo_Forde pats clubfoundersclub on the nose. damsel_in_ddk is back. damsel_in_ddk says, got my egroup Lo_Forde says, so your name is now safe? Secretive__ says, DID: hahahha clubfoundersclub says, well, I don't actually own a dog, so you'll have to settle for my nose damsel_in_ddk says, sorry I was over there and not reading damsel_in_ddk says, hey my club is important clubfoundersclub says, wish I had a dog. They won't let me have one Lo_Forde says, lol Angel, remember, this is a dog club.... clubfoundersclub says, I had a dog multicat01 says, Here's an item on my wish list: Yahoo voice chat and CheetaChat voice chat being compatible. In my clubs we voice chat alot, and it's frustrating when someone in chat is using Yahoo and can't voice chat with us. clubfoundersclub says, but he wasn't a Sheltie...he was a Mighty Dog Garrit_Sherova says, i think thats already possible Lo_Forde says, a mighty dog? should I ask? multicat01 says, Oh-oh ... I'm here representing a bunch of clubs in the "Cats" category! clubfoundersclub says, Miniature German Schnauzer Secretive__ says, well, I think it would be nice for people clicking stop voice or unable to voice chat, that text of the voice is somehow shared Lo_Forde says, I also have 7 kits mutli Secretive__ says, so many people are left out of some of the chats due to sound card probs, speakiers not working, family doing something so they can't hear the voices anyway multicat01 says, I come by the handle of "multicat" honestly ... I'm owned by 16 cats.