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MajorBarcalow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 06, 2001 22:48     Click Here to See the Profile for MajorBarcalow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fight or Flight botched this race, the axanareans. Now I'm a long-time Trek fan. I go back to next Gen and the Original Series with Kirk and if you are a long-time too, then you know the Axanareans were done wrong on Fight or Flight. It was lousy and not good. This is something that should not happen to me.

The story made no sense because in Kirk's show they already talked about the Axanariens and the said it was Captain Garth who made first contact with them on the USS Republic. How does Fight or Flight makes sense with this? What happened? Did Archer never tell anyone about meeting them? What about his log? Did the Federation not count this and then when Captain Garth discovered them, they said he had first contact? This is just completely stupid and one of the bigest mistakes yet.

They didn't even get the man looking right. That is not what the Axanareans look like. They have purple skin with white dust and that protects them from radiation. And their hair is rainbow colored. Read the Star Trek sourcebook for a description and a drawing of one. The book reads nothing about them living for four hundred years and being endragenous. I can't find anything in Captain Garth's show that agrees with this. Does anyone else help this? Does it work? No.

Hbomb
Captain
posted December 06, 2001 22:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Hbomb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is English your first language?

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Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

MajorBarcalow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 06, 2001 23:12     Click Here to See the Profile for MajorBarcalow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yes! Is yours your first? No!

And before anyone talks at me about sourcebooks not being canon because I don't want to hear that. This still happened and was written BEFORE the enterprise show was on the television.

Even if you say to me that sourcebooks don't count (Good for you!) you still can't ignore how Captain Garth's story of first contact was just thrownj into the trash with the garbage away.

Kelso
Commodore
posted December 06, 2001 23:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Kelso   Click Here to Email Kelso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Captain Garth did not have first contact with the Axanar, he simply was a hero of the Battle of Axanar.

Also, he did not command a ship called the Republic.

But you are right about the race being screwed up, everyone knows that the Axanaranienssss can shoot lightning out of thier arses.

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Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 06, 2001 23:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, they also have ice powers because they live on a planet of ice, so naturally they would have developed ice powers so that they could, uhm, yanno, freeze stuff because its an ice planet, and ice planets never have enough frozen stuff.

The sourcebook says so.

[This message has been edited by Apocalypse Cow (edited December 06, 2001).]

Incuboy
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 06, 2001 23:30     Click Here to See the Profile for Incuboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on the occasional refeences to the Axanar Peace Mission in the original series, I always assumed the Axanar were a fairly long-established race on the galactic political scene long before Kirk's cadet days.

and on an only moderately related topic, I'm in favor of referring to the people of the planet Axanar as either "the Axanar" or "Axanari" as opposed to "Axanarians", although I guess "Axanarians" sounds about as good as "Andorians".

Incuboy

I will not grovel like some ANT on a somewhat larger than usual anthill ...

Kirkardsiskarchway
Commodore
posted December 06, 2001 23:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirkardsiskarchway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only onscreen canon references to the Axanar were Kirk's Palm Leaf of Axanar award and Garth's victory at Axanar. Nothing else was known of this race previously, except for non-canon references.

TigerBait
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 06, 2001 23:58     Click Here to See the Profile for TigerBait   Click Here to Email TigerBait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Incuboy:
Based on the occasional refeences to the Axanar Peace Mission in the original series, I always assumed the Axanar were a fairly long-established race on the galactic political scene long before Kirk's cadet days.

and on an only moderately related topic, I'm in favor of referring to the people of the planet Axanar as either "the Axanar" or "Axanari" as opposed to "Axanarians", although I guess "Axanarians" sounds about as good as "Andorians".

Incuboy

I will not grovel like some ANT on a somewhat larger than usual anthill ...


im actually surprised that no one has mentioned it that kai winn said that the homeworld of the andorians was andor, when t'pol used andoria. is this something to go stark raving mad over! no, of course not, its a tv show and they make mistakes. im not gonna dislike the show because of a little error or two. thats what happens in a show with the history star trek does. the axanar, cool race, lets see more of em i say.

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Airb330
Commander
posted December 07, 2001 00:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Airb330     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ya the axanars were cool, I want to see some more of the species that were mentioned but hardly ever shown (tellerites, tholians, etc). Ice Powers WOW!! Lol!

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
Commander
posted December 07, 2001 01:10     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mighty Monkey of Mim   Click Here to Email The Mighty Monkey of Mim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They never said anything about Garth making first contact with them. The race themselves were never even mentioned. All that was mentioned was Garth's victory at the "Battle of Axanar." And Kirk's peace mission to the same planet.

-MMoM

Silik
Commander
posted December 07, 2001 02:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Silik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who bashes the bashers?

MajorBarcalow

Who does a brilliant job at it while getting around the terms of service every single time?

MajorBarcalow

Who can fool a good amount of people no matter how ludicrous his statements are every single time?

MajorBarcalow

I tip my hat to you, sir.

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Fot-Sirk
Lieutenant
posted December 07, 2001 02:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Fot-Sirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO HE'S RIGHT
THEY HAD RAINBOW COLOURED HAIR
and they were also called the neutrinos sometimes, and helped the Ninja Turtles attack the Technodrome
in dimension X...
with Krang...
and stuff...

..turtles..

Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 07, 2001 03:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Silik:
Who can fool a good amount of people no matter how ludicrous his statements are every single time?

The sad thing is, I think you're the one being fooled.  I'm pretty sure the poor sod really believes the things he spouts off.

Tai
Captain
posted December 07, 2001 04:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Tai   Click Here to Email Tai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ You don't honestly believe anyone can be so stupid... ...can you?

Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 07, 2001 04:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, he's not stupid.  He's just... confused or something.  I know a lot of people who get like that, especially online, but not only about Star Trek but other hobbies I partake in (such as roleplaying games), too.

JaceyPacey
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 07, 2001 04:27     Click Here to See the Profile for JaceyPacey   Click Here to Email JaceyPacey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MajorBarcalow:
And before anyone talks at me about sourcebooks not being canon because I don't want to hear that.

Oh, how I wish this worked in the real world.

I would say this kind of thing all the time if it would work.

"Before you tell me to go to work, don't. I don't want to hear that!"


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Captain Pike
Captain
posted December 07, 2001 10:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Captain Pike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just love reading his posts. He's so cute

Bulldog19
Commander
posted December 07, 2001 11:45     Click Here to See the Profile for Bulldog19   Click Here to Email Bulldog19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fool me once- shame on you
Fool me twice- shame on me (Scotty, "Friday's Child")

I've come not to take these posts seriously. I think they are simply jokes.

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Chensams
Fleet Captain
posted December 07, 2001 11:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Chensams   Click Here to Email Chensams     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kelso:
But you are right about the race being screwed up, everyone knows that the Axanaranienssss can shoot lightning out of thier arses.


LOL!!!

Thanks, good way to start the morning, good laugh!

Palladin5
Commander
posted December 07, 2001 15:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Palladin5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come on I read some fan fic, which is canon. that clearly states the Axanareans are flying guinea pigs with rainbow hair! B&B show no respect to the fans or continuity....

Damn them damn them to HELL!

where'sSaavik?
Moderator
posted December 08, 2001 05:48     Click Here to See the Profile for where'sSaavik?   Click Here to Email where'sSaavik?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chill out people. If someone makes a comment you don't like, come up with an argument to prove them wrong. Insulting them is not a valid argumentative strategy. It only suggests that you can't come up with an intelligent argument in reply.

quote:
Originally posted by Silik:
Who bashes the bashers?

[b]MajorBarcalow

Who does a brilliant job at it while getting around the terms of service every single time?

MajorBarcalow

Who can fool a good amount of people no matter how ludicrous his statements are every single time?

MajorBarcalow

I tip my hat to you, sir.

[/B]


1 official warning for trolling goes to Silik.

quote:
From the Policy:
Trolling is defined as posting remarks intended to anger another poster and or start an argument or flame war.

I believe the above post meets that definition since it is designed as an attack meant to initiate a flame war.

quote:
Originally posted by Apocolypse Cow:
I'm pretty sure the poor sod really believes the things he spouts off

1 official warning for flaming goes to Apocolypse Cow.

quote:
From the Policy:
In general, a flame can be defined as being aimed at one particular person or group of persons, and of an insulting or malicious nature.

Don't call someone a "sod." It's a flame.

Now, if someone wishes to engage in a civil discussion about MajorBarcalow's ideas, please feel welcome. If you want to act like adolescent children, please do so elsewhere.

Questions, Suggestions or Feedback related to moderating action should be directed to the QSF Forum.


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EDIT: After consultations with my fellow Mods, the term "sod" actually falls short of the definition of flaming. My bad. The warning is thus rescinded and has been removed from the warnings utility. My apologies to Apocolypse Cow.

[This message has been edited by where'sSaavik? (edited December 08, 2001).]

Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 08, 2001 07:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excuse me??  When did "sod" become a flame?  Its just a synonym for "guy".

sod, n. chiefly British slang, a fellow; a guy: "Poor sod, he almost got lucky for once." (Jack Higgins)

WeaponOfChoice
Fleet Captain
posted December 08, 2001 07:35     Click Here to See the Profile for WeaponOfChoice   Click Here to Email WeaponOfChoice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kelso:

But you are right about the race being screwed up, everyone knows that the Axanaranienssss can shoot lightning out of thier arses.


No, no, no, the Axanaranienssss don't shoot lighting out of their arses. That's the Gornians. The sourcebooks say the Axanaranienssss fart laughing gas.

MvRojo
Captain
posted December 08, 2001 08:12     Click Here to See the Profile for MvRojo   Click Here to Email MvRojo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Apocalypse Cow:
No, he's not stupid.  He's just... confused or something.  I know a lot of people who get like that, especially online, but not only about Star Trek but other hobbies I partake in (such as roleplaying games), too.

Aren't they basically the same people?

Matt

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MvRojo
Captain
posted December 08, 2001 08:14     Click Here to See the Profile for MvRojo   Click Here to Email MvRojo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WeaponOfChoice:
No, no, no, the Axanaranienssss don't shoot lighting out of their arses. That's the Gornians. The sourcebooks say the Axanaranienssss fart laughing gas.

Now that's a weapon that can do some damage.

And about Andor, I'm pretty sure it was called Andor by Kira in a different episode as well.

Matt

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Silik
Commander
posted December 08, 2001 11:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Silik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the fuck is this bullshit, wheressaavik?

1. I did not flame him. I actually COMPLIMENTED him!

2. If you're gonna give some ridiculous warning then you can at LEAST be FAIR and give warnings to people that are actually making sarcastic remarks.

3. You are so fucking blind that you can't even see through Barcalow's Andy Kaufman routine that should be BLATANTLY OBVIOUS by now! HE is trolling the board every other day by making fun of the bashers, and you LET HIM! And I'M the one that gets the warning! Oh that's just beautiful. Excuse me while I go clear my lungs from laughing so hard.

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Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 08, 2001 17:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MvRojo:
Aren't they basically the same people?

Nope.  Some people just get certain ideas in their head about some shows or roleplaying games that they're passionate about, and fully believe that their view is the only correct one.  Its pretty obvious Barclow isn't stupid; his grammar isn't hard to read and he dosen't make very many obvious spelling errors.  Its just his views of the show that are a bit odd, as is his absolute belief that his opinions are set-in-stone-fact.

The Mighty Monkey of Mim
Commander
posted December 09, 2001 04:54     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mighty Monkey of Mim   Click Here to Email The Mighty Monkey of Mim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, he's apparently pretty damn slow about the whole canon/non-canon thing. After so many people have tried to explain it to him, you'd think that if he had much any intelligence that he'd, y'know, get it.

-MMoM

gerbil
Lt. J.G.
posted December 09, 2001 19:35     Click Here to See the Profile for gerbil   Click Here to Email gerbil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yo! Major 'sup! I been wondering where you are. Are you actually saying this or are yuo joking!?!?!?!?!?!? I MUST know!

MajorBarcalow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 09, 2001 20:09     Click Here to See the Profile for MajorBarcalow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gerbil:
Yo! Major 'sup! I been wondering where you are. Are you actually saying this or are yuo joking!?!?!?!?!?!? I [b]MUST know![/B]

I've been busy with my projects and catching up on my work. I've been very disappointted with posting here and you can look up for reasons to see why I am this.

I take Star Trek very seriously. Like I said, I am a fan from a long time ago before Next gen. But people make their own thoughts and I can't control them.

MajorBarcalow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 09, 2001 20:17     Click Here to See the Profile for MajorBarcalow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to wheressavik for doing a right job.

Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 09, 2001 21:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MajorBarcalow:
But people make their own thoughts and I can't control them.

Exactly my point.

WeaponOfChoice
Fleet Captain
posted December 10, 2001 01:45     Click Here to See the Profile for WeaponOfChoice   Click Here to Email WeaponOfChoice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MajorBarcalow:
...And their hair is rainbow colored.

Do they also hold up large signs reading "John 3:16" at all football games they attend as well??

Kirok
Commander
posted December 10, 2001 02:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirok     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silik is a troll and Major Bearclaw isn't?
Have I slipped into the Mirror Universe?

where'sSaavik?
Moderator
posted December 10, 2001 04:07     Click Here to See the Profile for where'sSaavik?   Click Here to Email where'sSaavik?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look folks, if you'd like to discuss Axanareans and Enterprise, please go ahead.

If you've got questions or comments about Moderating action, please refer them to QSF.

Thanks. Carry on.

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bolian12
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 04:20     Click Here to See the Profile for bolian12   Click Here to Email bolian12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THey're called the Axanar, not "Axanareans"

bolian12
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 04:32     Click Here to See the Profile for bolian12   Click Here to Email bolian12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THey're called the Axanar, not "Axanareans"

Why was this double posted?

[This message has been edited by bolian12 (edited December 10, 2001).]

Apocalypse Cow
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 04:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Cow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bolian12:
THey're called the Axanar, not "Axanareans"

Ah ha... apparently someone hasn't been reading the sourcebook, or else you'd know the truth!  "Axanar" indeed... hmpf!

TigerBait
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 05:42     Click Here to See the Profile for TigerBait   Click Here to Email TigerBait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now ive been a long time trek fan and ive got alot of the "unofficial" tutorials such as the chronology and the encyclopedia, but just what is this sourcebook that people keep mentioning.

also, my above post was just meant to point out what is real and what is not. star trek is not real, it is a TV show. hense my andorian parallel with the axanar. if this parallel was the jumping off point of attack on the major then i apologize.

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Dennis Bailey
Rear Admiral
posted December 10, 2001 19:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis Bailey   Click Here to Email Dennis Bailey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WeaponOfChoice:
Do they also hold up large signs reading "John 3:16" at all football games they attend as well??


ROFL.

darkwing_duck1
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 20:48     Click Here to See the Profile for darkwing_duck1   Click Here to Email darkwing_duck1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tigerbait: the "sourcebook" in question is the Core Rules for the Star Trek RPG from Last Unicorn Games (now out of production). It has a write up of the "Axanarians" for use as a PC race. This of course (1)has nothing to do with "official" Trek, as the modern RPGs are not and never have been considered "canon". (2)was written well before Enterprise even went on the air.

TigerBait
Lt. Cmdr.
posted December 10, 2001 21:03     Click Here to See the Profile for TigerBait   Click Here to Email TigerBait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how can i get a look at it?

Section31
Commodore
posted December 10, 2001 21:53     Click Here to See the Profile for Section31   Click Here to Email Section31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it in the (original) Star Trek RPG sourcebook?

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