dennis, (1) i read your article on the flood and some of the stuff you come up with is so wrong, like you said in (Gen. 6:16) says "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above. You asked the question of how could all the animals breath with just one small opening in the ark, well i will answer that question but first where in the Bible does it ever say that there was just one small opening? Now my answer to your question would be that the Bible does not say that there was just one small opening. In fact, the Ark is said to have a window and a door (Gen. 6:16) and a covering (Gen. 8:13).

But where are additional windows mentioned?

In addition, various Ark sitings indicate the presence of a sort of "catwalk" on top of the Ark which would have provided some kind of ventiliation. It would not be assumed that the Ark would have been anymore "airtight" than an automobile or a home with the windows and doors closed.

In addition, the Bible does not say that the window remained closed for the 190 days, but since it was in Noah's power to open the window (Gen. 8:6) it is likely that he could have opened it sooner if the need for additional ventilation arose.

(2) (Gen6:17)say's "I do bring flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and everything that is in the earth shall die. Then you asked the question how could a flood destroy sea animals,such as whales, etc.....that are living entirely under water? If you would just look and search what your actually studying then even a little toddler could figure this out.The Bible clarifies the meaning of "everything" in (Gen6:17)by stating that it indluded "all flesh wherein is the breath of life" and in (Gen 7:21-23) it is further explained that only land animals were taken on the Ark.

Interesting observation. Assuming this is correct, how do you explain where all of the animals in the oceans, lakes, rivers and streams came from the second time after the alleged flood waters receded? Did they evolve? The bible doesn't mention a second 'creation' of them.

Well I have some more to disprove you with but I'am not going to waste my time, next time try to figure something out a little more belivable than these questions, there just to easy,

So far Brian, you haven't disproven anything. The problem is - you're attempting to prove the bible by quoting the bible. The bible is a self perpetuating book. It claims to be the word of God because it says its the word of God. You assume the flood account is accurate because the bible says it happened. This is called 'begging the question'. Most biblical scholars agree if there was a flood such as described by the bible, it was localized and did not encompass the entire earth.

oh ya your the head of AAA?

I'm not sure what this means. Sarcasm? If you meant Alcoholics Anonymous, the acronym is "AA". Just two A's. Automobile Associaton of America doesn't make any sense either.

It is evident that you are confused about some biblical truths. You may need to go back to the original language before making your proclamations as stone fact. You are a bit off course on your interpretation.

Furthermore, 2 Peter 3: 3, 4 says, "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

Jesus has not broken any promises. He will return as he promised. You have some misinterpretations that you are holding to as fact. 2 Peter 3: 5 begins by saying, "For this they willingly are ignorant of..."

Read 2 peter chapter 3. You will find that the Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Also, if you look at the events that were necessary for Christ's return, it would be clear to you that they had not yet happened when the scriptures were concluded. As of now, I cannot find one prophesy that needs to be fulfilled before his return, outside of the completion of the age of the Gentile.

If you view Christ as a breaker of promises, then I am sorry to say, you will have your part in the lake of fire. Be sure about what you are denouncing before you denounce it.

The bible warns us that in the last days prior to the coming of Christ many, (like Mike McClellan) will deny the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He takes many passages of scripture out of context, but yet fails to mention 2 Peter 3:3-4: " Knowing this first, that there shall come scoffers(mockers) walking after their own lust. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers, (early church fathers) fell asleep(died) all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation"...

That sounds like you Mr. McClellan and many like you. The bible is the most accurate and up to date ever revealed to man because it is the WORD OF THE LIVING GOD. The bible warns us that in the end times many would, " twist the scriptures to their OWN DESTRUCTION", (2 Pet 3:16). I believe you need to trust in Christ as your saviour. I believe in the infallible, inerrant, and authority of the word of God. In which you will be judged by someday Mr. McClellan. And that's why you can call me a FUNDAMENTALIST.

You have a problem, and only Christ can help you. Pastor August Rosado. P.S. I would love to debate you on the end times and the rapture of the church.

ADDENDUM:

You probably read my first e-mail concerning the SOON return of Christ. I read your commentary concerning bible believing Christianity, the authority of God's word, ect.

You add fire to my faith as a born again bible believing Christian. ..Why? Jesus said in Matt 16:18: And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this Rock( J- esus) I will build MY CHURCH, and the GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT. For 2,000 years the church of Jesus Christ has been under attack, and she is still here(not for long) PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. You can go on attacking, but well did Jesus say about you and others like you, "

But this is your hour, and the power of darkness" ( Lk 22:53). Mr. McClellan, God has a message for you. He loves you, and sent his son Jesus to die for you. Open your heart to him, and he will take the hatred, the hurt, and the anger away. And change your life.

I don't hate you, but love you with the love of Jesus.

Yes, it is tough to leave fundamentalist Christianity. I am in the process now and it is difficult on so many levels. I realize now that I have been, for lack of a better word, programmed into feeling guilty whenever I read materials from other religions or when I point out a contradiction in the Bible. But, all through childhood,

I was innundated with the "importance of church attendance" and the "eternal consequences of disobeying God". No wonder I felt guilty and miserable about religion-- I was bullied into believing that thinking for myself would send me to a fiery Hell. I have, at the present, found a warm and wonderful community in Deism and it makes much more sense to me than my Southern Baptist upbringing has.

I appreciate sites like yours because they let me know I am not alone.

Mike (response):
Thanks for visiting my website and your kind comments. Most of the letters are "the worst of the worst" but they do convey the mindset of some folks.

The thrust of the site is to be supportive to folks who have left or are in the process of leaving born again fundamentalist Christianity. Its a difficult road to walk alone!

What suffering you must have gone through with a GOD that would not allow you to have wild sex, party with drugs and alcohol, or use language and words that fit every occasion.

He probably doesn't want you to contact your feminine side and explore an intimate relationship with another man. The Bible probably even made those that rob, murder and molest look like bad people.

Face it a GOD like that just doesn't want people to think for themselves, or experience things for themselves.

What could HE probably think He is protecting people from?

The idea, not wanting you to get aids, clap, gonorrhea, syphilis or some girl pregnant out of wedlock. To think HE tried to keep you from alcoholism or drug addiction so you wouldn't wreck your life, marriage, or family. Hey, if you get mad or fed up it is your right to just go out and kill someone, you might even rape them first if you want, right?

I mean if your going to go to prison or get the death penalty you may as well go for the gusto.

Just think of it, all of the fun GOD has kept you from and HE even used you to keep others from having all that fun, sure there are some consequences to suffer, but if it feels good do it.

I hope you can get through this message and before you respond, sleep on it, OK?

You feel free to lead your life the way you see fit, and you, and all those you lead can suffer the consequences of your mistakes.

You are trusting you with answers of life and eternity, you are encouraging others to trust you for the answers of life and eternity, and you have already made countless mistakes and been wrong more times than you can imagine, but you are smarter than GOD that sees the big picture. If you are wrong about the Bible and you are wrong about GOD and you are wrong about heaven and hell, then you will probably be wrong about Salvation in Jesus Christ.

It will be by your own will, not GOD's will that there will be hell to pay and an eternity to remember those who suffer because of you, maybe even those you love.

If the Bible is not true, and if there is no GOD, then still no man, no family, no government, and no nation could find a better book to aid them in a joyful, peaceful and prospering life. No book of law can compare, no book of parenting can compare, no book of charity can compare and no book of love can compare. With no Heaven and with no GOD mankind would still be better off living according to the Bible than in their own footsteps or even yours.

I know what it is to live in your footsteps and my life still bares the scars. If you are not saved, then all of your efforts for GOD were exhausted in your own might. You exhausted yourself doing good for GOD and now you serve a new fresh desire, a new master, but with the same old story.

You are burnt out on the Bible, burnt out on GOD and now you are living in the power of human reason. The next time you read the newspaper you will see the results of human reason.

I would rather be wrong believing the Bible, than wrong not believing it.

GOD asks nothing of us that is not for our own good, physical or spiritual.

NO PAIN, NO GAIN ! ! !

I am not as sorry for you as I am for those you might influence. Are you trying to face or conquer a deep down hurt by blaming GOD? That would be nothing new.
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MIKE (RESPONSE)

Hello BK

If I understand your comments, anyone who doesn't hold your beliefs as truth:

Has wild sex
Abuses drugs and alcohol
Uses inappropriate language
May be a homosexual
Robs, murders and molests
Acquires sexually transmitted diseases
Wrecks their marriage and/or family
Rapes
Causes pregnancies out of wedlock
Satisfies physical desires no matter the consequences

All of the above sound like stories right out of the Bible.

It has become popular among fundamentalist Christians to impute immoral and inappropriate values and acts to anyone who fails to embrace their convoluted belief system. It may surprise you to know that non-Christians also practice morality and obey the laws of the land.

After I was born again and became involved in fundamentalist Christianity, I no longer had to think for myself. The Bible dictated the life I was required to live as interpreted by the other fundamentalists who didn't waste anytime "helping" me to understand the Bible's true meanings.

You state that I'm trusting myself to find the answers to life and eternity and that I'm making mistakes. Would you define the questions and the mistakes I've made so we'll both know what you're talking about.

If you read my page on the atrocities Biblegod committed in the old testament, you'll understand why I don't agree with you that the Bible is the literature we should look to, to enjoy peace, prosperity.

If you read Leviticus, you'll understand why I don't agree that it is the perfect book from which to learn law. The last time I burned the required bull on my altar, the neighbors complained about the stench , the pools of blood and the flies, and my cruelty to the animal when I sliced his throat while he was conscious.

The following is an excerpt from a letter written by "Strike" whose website can be found at http://www.angelfire.com/on2/strike

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The Bible says that God changes his mind - in which case 'he' cannot be trusted and his assurances/promises cannot be relied upon.

To sum up, , the Bible depicts a deity who is unstable and erratic:- God is responsible for confusion - Isa 45:7 (Contradicted by 1 Cor 14:33). God himself lies and is responsible for lies/deliberate deceit- 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chron 18:22, 2 Thess 2:11 (Contradicted by Num 23:19, Titus 1:2).

God 'repents', i.e., regrets an action/changes his mind/ acknowledges that he has made an error - Gen 6:6-7, Ex 32:14, 1 Sam 15:35, 2 Sam 24:16, 1 Chron 21:15, Jer 18:8,10, 26:3,13,19, 42:10, Joel 2:13, Amos 7:3, Jonah 3:10 (Contradicted by Num 23:19, 1 Sam 15:29).

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Its unfortunate that you have accepted the Bible as the word of any God when it is such a contradictory, errant and evil speaking book. But my guess is you're where you need to be right now spiritually. Its always easier to accept a prescription for spiritual beliefs written and promoted by someone else than it is to explore and seek truth actively on your own.

Finally, why is it that Christians so often attribute leaving Christianity to a "deep hurt"? I enjoyed being a Christian and except for the usual disagreements we all have in life, there was no hurt inflicted or received. Its simply a matter of realizing that the Bible is no more the word of God than is what I've written here and on my website.

On the other hand, your letter conveys anger, sarcasm and frustration. Why?

to whom it may concern,

god forgive your for you know not what you say.

GOD BLESS YOU AND SAVE YOUR SOUL.

YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LORD........ HE IS A STRANGER TO YOU. GIVE YOURSELF UP TO JESUS AND THEN YOU WILL MEET HIM. DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT SOMEONE YOU DO NOT KNOW.

MIKE (RESPONSE)

I can't count how many times it has been suggested to me by born-again Christians that I was never saved. At the time I was 'saved', I was watching Billy Graham on TV. At that time I realized I was a sinner. I asked god for forgiveness and I asked Jesus to come into my heart and life and to cleanse me from my sins. I asked god, in Jesus name, to make me a new creature in him. I asked him to lead me and guide me in my new life and walk. I asked all of these things with a sincere and contrite heart.

If, after that, I still hadn't received salvation, then the bible lied. biblegod doesn't answer prayer as promised in the bible and the TV set was the only one who heard my sinners prayer.

As I wrote in my website, the more I studied the bible, the more contradictions, errors and inconsistencies became manifest to me. I questioned how the word of an omniscient, omnipotent, all pervasive god could leave an imperfect 'book' by which man would be expected to live his life. The extreme confusion caused by the bible is evidenced by the hundreds of different denominations which now exist. That is not to mention all of the murders and wars attributed to the god of the bible. Did god deny his 'truth' to all of these people who have diligently searched his alleged word, seeking spiritual truth(s)?

Your allegation that I don't know god is really the only explanation you can come up with to explain why a born-again believer would leave the fold once "saved".

Your bible tells you not to judge others but you have chosen to cast that command aside and judge me by the standards of your own personal religious belief system. I rather imagine you think your belief system is completely valid to the exclusion of all other beliefs with which you don't agree.

One of my non- Christian friends lead me to your site. Frankly, what I see here makes me sick- although I can not deny you your First Amendment Right to speak out.

I suppose I just wanted to let you know that what you are doing is evil and I have found that most of the time, when someone is SO obsessed with proving a Christian wrong and they spend all their time and energy trying to disprove it- they are actually seeking and seeking hard. I pray for you- that you will eventually take this site off the web.

By the way, God loves us all- just because someone has a typo or misspells something, doesn't mean a thing- God loves all types - from the most educated to the babies....

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