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It dates: Tuesday, 11 of February of 1997 10:06
Oi colleague,
My name is xxxxxx.
You it could clarify me because in definitive translations each time that appears mention on the irmãos of Jesus, in the baseboard has an explanation of that at that time, all next relative was treat to brothers, therefore prime of Jesus.
Probably I will have other doubts.
Grateful
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OI xxxxx,
I thank the gentility to have visited the Home Page and particularly for this E-Mail, so sincere and objective, I they tambem already I had the same doubts and I was great a contestador one, although to be always open to the dialogue, am the proper Bible in says that the things spirituals if discern with the spirituals, this to them is. comparing them. If it perceives when the question is of an intelligent person, whom it wants to hear to another one part, that wants to understand more deeply on definitive subject, I made this preâmbulo, as recognition and admiration the its intelligence and its power of discernimento.
IRMÃOS OF THE GENTLEMAN:
Attributed relation of kinship the Tiago, Jose, Simão and Judas, TM 13,55; Mc 6.3 that they appear in company of Maria, TM 12,47-50; Mc 3,31-35; Lc 8.19-21, had been joined for Cafarnaum in the principle of the public life of Jesus, Jo 2.12, but they had not believed in it senão in the end of its career. Jo 7,4-5. After the resurrection, them if they find in company of the discípulos, At 1.14 and more late its names appear in the list of the obreiros cristãos, I Color 9,5. Tiago, one of them, were outstanding as leader in the Church of Jerusalem At 12,17; 15,13; Gl 1,19; 2.9, and were the author of the epistle that brings its name. In that felt irmãos of Jesus were they? It has been subject of many quarrels. In the old times, they judged that they were children of Jose, of the first marriage its name does not appear more in the history of the Evangelho. Being Jose older than Maria it is probable that it had died soon and that had married before. This opinion is reasonable, but in face of the narratives of TM 1,25; e Lc 2.7, is not probable.
In the room century, S. Jerônimo gave another explanation, saying that they were prime of Alfeu or Cléofas with Maria, sisters of the mother of Jesus. This explanation if infers, comparing Mc 14.40 with Jo 14.25, and the identity of the names Alfeu and Cléofas. According to this idea, Tiago, son of Alfeu, and perhaps Simão and Judas, counted between the apóstolos, were irmãos of Jesus. But, the apóstolos if distinguish from the irmãos, these, nor to little create in it, and it is not probable that two irmãs had name the same.
Another very old idea is that they were prime of Jesus for the paternal side and others still assume that they were the children of the widower of the brothers of Jose, Dt 25,5-10. All these opinions or theories, seem to finally have to support the perpetual virgindade of Maria the one that parace more reasonable and more natural is that they were children of Maria after born Jesus. That this had more children clearly is deduced of TM 1,25; e Lc 2.7 that it explains the constant association of the Gentleman with Maria (Dictionary of the Bible - John D. Davis)
The promise of the coming of the Messias already consisted in the first Book of the Bible: Gênesis 3.15, and in innumerable other tickets, that would be born of a virgin already had been augured for Isaias 7 centuries before, Miqueias was most accurate and mentioned the city that it went to be born, Isaias augurs that it would go to die between two thieves and so on...
Maria was fortunate for its fé, obediência the divina revelation, to be chosen the mother of the Messias, if fulfilling the prophecy, we really believe in the Word of God, believe in the virgindade of Maria, this is undisputed, but not it " always Virgin Maria ", even for physical reasons, as we know the importance of a son for a casal until today, still more in old times, when the woman did not have children was humiliated, knows of the suffering of Ana, its life of conjunct and súplicas the God for a son, the point of Eli Priest, to find that it was tipsy, but God presenteou with a son attending its conjuncts, being born Samuel.
The one that had in the womb of Maria, was work of the Espirito Santo, as the angel disclosed Jose, but after the mission who God trusted it, it had the normal life with its husband, it does not have for what! being different, already if it had fulfilled the prophecy. Maria is a love example the God, obediência and humildade, will have its galardão, but nothing can make for voce or me, nor the great Moises, nor great the São Paulo Brothers, and so on...
Maria disappears of the pages of the Bible, then after the death of Jesus in the Calvário, is only cited one more time without any prominence in the Book of Acts of Apóstolos 1,13-14. Any citation of its ascension to the ceus does not consist as many creem (and I before they tambem).
But we go to deepen the discernimento better, we go to assume that Maria not tivese more children and that it consisted of fact that ascended to the ceus! Still thus it would not change nothing, reason if to exaltar those that had left of this world but they had not consisted that they had died, then we iriamos to adore two persons who the proper Bible mentions that they had not proved the death and exactly thus they are not worthy of adoração. ADORAÇÃO ALONE the GOD, nor the angel in apocalypse accepted adoração of João! But the Biblia tells that our Enoque brothers were a so faithful man that he walked with God and Mr. took for itself and mentions it the name of the great prophet of Elias God who was arrebatado in a fire car.
These had not died and are the proper Bible that in discloses them, but do not see no adoração ENOQUE or ELIAS, or to great apóstolodo of God Sao (Saint) Pablo, that it practically wrote great part of the New Will, but exactly thus tambem did not deserve to be saved and it wise person, as João, as Maria, and Pablo was great the preaching one who the " SALVATION Is For the FAVOUR ", because we are defective the Biblia in says them that not just, only JESUS CHRIST, but for its sacríficio, accepting offers of God for we pecadores, has the Salvacão, for the Fé.
The justice of God is very different of ours and this when I started to read the Bible, already was tired to hear the persons to speak, I myself quiz to understand, and had this great impact. In the human logic Peter would not have any possibility, after to coexist the Master directly per 3 years, in the crucial hour it denies Jesus. Great Pablo a persecuting one of the cristãos. Tiago with an unstable Fé. That thief in the cross, does not consist that he went down Da Cruz, he was a good citizen, he paid the taxes, was a good head of family and never more he practised any illicit one, but he was saved, HE BELIEVED and HE SAVED, but for what! not it another one, for that they think that the salvation is for all, yes - it is, but for whom to accept. We believe that the proper Judas if with repentance looked the perdão of God, would have tambem the salvation, but it did not repent itself, did not look for the perdão of God, but with remorse he committed suicide himself.
She does not have sin that God cannot pardon and is questioned by the fellow workers, that ask: but that individual that made hediondos crimes; God can pardon, but the imprisoned man the thoughts not of God, and us until we perceive in interviews the press that some make, as they so are enfronhados of malignidade, hardly will look for the God, or others whom they prefer to leave for the bargain with God with the Charity (that it is very important), or the philosophical ways, and so on... but if they refuse to accept the gift of God for its lives.
I must still approach in the Home Page the topic on the Charismatic Catholics, who I find a great work and I wait that they go deep some points still more, I have a fellow worker, catholic, who always disagreed with this subject that we are aborting and that surprêsa for it in the charismatic meetings catholics that started to frequentar, the proper dirigentes in the presence of the priest of the parish, same affirmations had made these, and even with more intensity.
The Mission of Maria was fulfilled with great méritos, as of Pablo, Moisés, Elias, Eliseu, Joshua, Peter, and so on... that for us it will be always an example of Fé, as the citation of the Heroes of the mentioning Fé in the Book of Hebrews, who with repentance of our sins, believing in God, its Unigênito Son, that for the blood in them brought the perdão and the Salvation, and guided by the Saint Spirit of God, fulfill our mission while we peregrinamos in this world.
It would like much that answered this E-Mail, with its doubts, contestações, not if it worries about any impact in the questions, or considerações, reason certainly tambem made them, it uses the same sincerity to understand, and the objetividade in the point to be boarded.
Greetings in Christ with Favour and Peace and Joy, that God it abençõe, with much Bençãos, as they tambem its family.
Arnaldo
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