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Sahara stretches clear across North Africa

Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:34:57 -0700
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Scientific Interests

August Matthusen wrote:

> Well Jiri, I don't understand *you*, so by your logic, that must mean
> that *you* were constructed by some past super race which has vanished
> without a trace. I guess it's a good thing for you that your form of
> logic ain't worth the electrons used to transmit it.

Pah, you're still the same bitter Namon hator, that's for sure.
The puny Me was constructed by God-serving Nature, I believe.
Your own behaviour seems much more machine-like, August, mainly
as to the skipping-record bit.

> By the same logic I could maintain that since it can't be explained
> then Invisible Pink Unicorns(tm) moved the 200 and 1000 ton blocks and
> beat the snot out of your atlanteans/space aliens for good measure
> (this is why you can't find any atlanteans/space aliens today but
> Invisible Pink Unicorns(tm) are prevalent). We both have exactly the
> same amount of evidence for these leaps of faith (i.e., zilch, nada,
> zippo, none).

Speaking of delusions, you are right, very little evidence has
been submitted, in support of the existence of IPUs, but, you
are hopelessly wrong to claim that we haven't any evidence for
Atlantis/Aliens, because you haven't studied the mountains
of alleged evidence. Thus you delude yourself and others.

> >(snippages)

> >> > Besides, I see your buddies looking for answers to guess
> >> > what specific problem: "How to move those 200-ton revisionist
> >> > blocks by politically correct, i.e., primitive means?"
> >> > If you could ever figure that one out, you could progress
> >> > to the Alien/Atlantean category of blocks over 1,000-tons.
> >> > Therefrom comes the ultimate poser: Who had perpetrated
> >> > the Baalbek Heresy to Linearly Primitive Darwinism? When? How?

> > (snipping)

> > Why is it that I
> > tend to assume everything written by you must be deviously wrong?
> > Also, may I observe that you avoid the Baalbek problem? What's so
> > hot about it, so unmentionable?

> You interpreted what I wrote exactly backwards. I am not about to
> claim responsibility for your lack of comprehension. It's interesting
> to note that in this post you snipped the misinterpreted material.

Yes, I know. You've told me before. Dwell on the second part about
Baalbek : (> > Also, may I observe that you avoid the Baalbek problem? )
(> > What's so hot about it, so unmentionable?)
Speaking of lack of comprehension, a child knows that I was asking You,
and not Myself! It is self-evident that I just mentioned Baalbek.
Therefore it is highly mentionable to me, and I've always said so.
Thus the question is obviously directed to you. Let's see if you
overcome your mental 200-tonners and force your fingers to type
the dreaded name - Baalbek!

> There is nothing unmentionable about it, as you do so repeatedly;
> unfortunately your repetition doesn't "prove" what you think it does.
> That's where your amazing ability for non sequiturs comes into play.
> In this case the only thing that's proven is that someone doesn't know
> how something was accomplished; space aliens and Atlanteans are only in
> your mind.

Anything based on a delusion continues to be a delusion..

> >(snip)

> >> >> Check the math on those ages (3000 prior to 7000 BC is ~12000
> >> >> years ago), the SRH must be affecting your cognition. Somehow,
> >> >> 10 to 20 inches of rain per year does equate with a deluge;
> >> >> you get much more than that in the UK and you aren't deluged
> >> >> (but why let paleoclimatic evidence get in the way?).

BUAHAHA, the paleoclimatic evidence says that it hasn't rained enough
in Egypt since the Old Kingdom to give the Sphinx its pluvial erosion looks
*
Of course, to keep the sand wet enough to cause weathering of the buried
Sphinx ( it took a lot of criticism on my part to drive in the point
that the Sphinx was mostly buried in (dry) sand ever since the Old
Kingdom ) you were more than happy to go along with the implied notion
that Giza's rainfall approaches 10 to 20 inches a year! That was
sometimes before the Old Kingdom, but you just don't think that
the Sphinx could possibly be older than Old Kingdom. Again, that is
a delusion, August, because you keep on thinking wet sand. Listen,
I have seen big piles of sand dry with sufficient rapidity to suggest
to me that under protracted sere conditions, the sand covering the
Sphinx would become completely dry, and thus would not interact
with the Sphinx's surface chemically.
Furthermore, I know that rain doesn't seep all the way down through
the entire sandpile, if there wasn't sufficient rain, but becomes
sponged up by the upper layer of the sand, and doesn't go any further.
The more sand the Sphinx was under, the less likely your chemical action
seems. But, as we hear, the Sphinx was generally under a THICK
cover of sand!

> >> > I just don't think that Sahara gets even that much average yearly
> >> > rainfall. Does anybody here have the stat?
> >> > How about half an inch to two inches, counting the dawn dew?

> >> 10 to 20 in. was the "deluge" (deluge according to Kaman at least)
> >> that is recognized as having occurred during the pluvial. Modern is
> >> less than 10 in.

> > Less than ten inches could easily turn out as one inch..

> >> Note also Egypt ain't the Sahara.

> > OK, what is it? Anybody got a good encyclopedia?
> > BTW, what is the name of the desert reaching into Egypt from
> > the west, if not Sahara? Did someone draw a line in the sand?

> You start out by misinterpreting a statement made about the
> paleoclimate in Egypt be relevant to the present climate. You then
> want to change the subject/location to the Sahara. The Pyramids,
> Sphinx, and these 200 ton blocks, as far as I know, aren't in the
> Sahara: are these more delusional delusions or are these the
> straightforward delusions? Maybe you could label your posts SD and DD
> so we could be clear. (But when you're in the DD mind set how do you
> know?).

Guess what? I chalk up another delusion of yours on my blackboard!
For, at the beginning of this discussion someone had written in reply
to my mention of the sere, rainless character of Giza ever since Old
Kingdom - that once some explorers were driven from their camp because
of a downpour, and tried to make it look like it downpours quite a lot
at Giza, let's say, several times a year..

Yet, we know that Giza has a Saharan type of climate. BTW, it is
considered that Sahara spreads all across North Africa.
Now Giza is in a desert, and only those areas, which are irrigated
by water from the Nile are green in those parts.
I went to the trouble of getting some quotes for you from an encyclo-
pedia. The CD definitely says that Sahara stretches from the Red Sea
to the Atlantic. That covers Egypt too. Moreover, "sahara" in Arabic
means "desert" so you are doubly wrong.

Yes, August, those are Your Delusions! Obviously, they are very
serious. OTOH, my delusions next to yours look like mere ILLUSIONS!
The proof is in the fact that my "delusions" can be dispelled by
exposing me to evidence, which proves otherwise.
Delusions tend to be permanent. If you were able to disprove the
geometric diagrams from my webpages, then, and only then, you would
erode the foundations of my present opinions on Ancient Technology.
As long as no-one can touch the logic of my reports on ancient
Science-Art, I will remain standing firm, knowing what I know,
and what you don't want to know. Not wanting to know, to absorb
and to digest evidence, and perhaps - to throw it up in disgust
and disapproval - that is the generator of your delusions..

> Regards,
> August Matthusen

Quizzical looks,
Jiri Mruzek - discoverer of the world's oldest image of a horseman

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So, what did you ever discover?
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Proof of Matthusen's errors - Read the encyclopedia quotes below:
SAHARA. The largest of all deserts is the Sahara. This vast sunbaked
land of barren rock, gravel, and shifting sand stretches ACROSS
northern Africa.
snip
The name Sahara comes from the Arabic word sahara, meaning "desert."
Almost as large as the whole United States, it covers 3 1/2 million
square miles (9 million square kilometers).
It extends some 3,000 miles (4,830 kilometers)
!!!from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea!!!
snip
The great desert contains at least a part of Western Sahara,
Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Mali, Niger, Chad, Libya,
EGYPT!!!!, and Sudan.
The Sahara is one of the Earth's low latitude deserts that extend
inland from west coasts in and near the tropics (see Desert). The dry
winds that blow over the hot land seldom drop rain except where
mountains force the air upward, cooling it. Elsewhere rain falls only
when a powerful cyclonic storm invades the region, bringing a downpour.
In some areas such storms occur only ONCE IN TEN or MORE!!!! Years.

J Mruzek> This tells you that 95% of the time, the Sphinx was
J Mruzek> covered by packed dry sand. Again, 4,500, or so, years is
J Mruzek> plainly not enough time for the chemical reaction to transform
J Mruzek> the Sphinx to what it is today, from being new and polished.

snip

In the Sahara are various surface formations common to most deserts.
Here are rocky uplands, called hammadas, broad stretches of gravel, sand
dunes, and BASINS FILLED WITH DRIFTING SAND, called ergs.
snip
The Libyan Erg near Egypt holds the greatest mass of dunes on Earth. It
covers an area as large as France. The hot sand may give rise to the
scorching Egyptian khamsin wind.

JM> Such hot sand evaporates water quickly! The downpour
JM> cannot moisten the sand for long.

snip
The Nile and the Niger rivers cross the edges of the Sahara.
Prehistoric Past
The Sahara was not always a parched desert as it is today.
Throughout the Ice Age, the huge glaciers and icecaps of
Europe pushed the zone of temperate climate southward.
The Sahara was THEN (JM> And Not Since) a rich grassland
and hunting ground for prehistoric people. Relics of these
people include stone tools and rock carvings on sheltered
cliffs and walls of caves.

snip

By early ancient times, the Sahara was dry and hot as it is today

JM> Meaning - before civilisation..

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