THE FAMILY OF MAJOR EDWARD WITHERS (1804 London-1883 Auckland)
http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/major/major.html
A backup - usually OUT OF DATE - is at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kitwithers/major/major.html
Version 10.12.2007, 41 A4-size pages, 0.1 mgb
My genealogies are listed at
http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/genealogy.html
KIT WITHERS
email kitw"at"slingshot.co.nz - (I write "at" for @ to foil spammers.)
101 Allington Road, Wellington 6005, New Zealand phone +64 4 476 9554
WHAT'S NEW?
Joe BRYANT, friend of the late 21(13) "Pete" WITHERS, has very kindly sent me
. the will of Major Edward WITHERS at
http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/major/wills.txt
. fascinating info on Alfred CARMICHAEL husband of 21(12) Kathleen WITHERS.
. obituaries of Kathleen & son Brian CARMICHAEL, & her dr Patricia & dr's
husband Edward JUKES
. See the new branch at
2152 Ned or Pepi WITHERS 1873 Opotiki m MaryAnn Erena DOUGLAS.
CONTENTS
A4-size page number
1. The family of Major Edward WITHERS 1804 London-1883 Auckland 1
2. WITHERS in 1972 Electoral Maori Rolls 37
3. The family of Sir John HALL "
4. Privacy issues 40
1. THE FAMILY OF MAJOR EDWARD WITHERS (1804 London-1883 Auckland)
SOURCES
LW 2155 62 Louise WITHERS *2004: 72 Matchitts Rd, Opotiki 3092
tel work 07 315 6220 fax 07 315 6221 or phone Florrie 07 315 6029.
Physical address: 137 Matchitts Rd, Opotiki.
- Louise is the expert on this family.
Other sources in order of contact include
2134 1 sp Daisy WITHERS
2132 2 Marcia OATES email ranann"at"bigpond.com 1999 - bounced 2003
PB 213(10) 71 Paul BARNETT email paul.barnett"at"chapmantripp.co.nz 2001
Bob 2188 1 Bob WITHERS rpwithers"at"mailstation.com 2004:PO Box 191,Geigertown
PA 19523,USA tel +1 610 582 2131; & his daughter
BG 2188 11 Barbara GINSBURG Barbara.Ginsburg"at"uphs.upenn.edu 2003
[I have given the copies of the photos Bob gave me to the photos curator of the
National Library john.sullivan"at"natlib.govt.nz
They have been scanned and appear as marked below.]
WM 2161 31 Wendy MORTON daisymort"at"paradise.net.nz wendy.morton"at"thornlight.co.nz
2004 1st contact .7.2004 branch of 216 of 1.
TKW 2152 491 Thomas Kupa WITHERS via LW who sent me his branch 2152+ 24.11.2004
JB Joe BRYANT jbryant7"at"rogers.com ph 001 (613) 731-4878
1st contact 22.2.2005 - a friend of 21(13) Pete WITHERS
2155 611 Roy WITHERS loyal005"at"slingshot.co.nz 2007
2155 622 Tessa WHITE 2007 tessa"at"reconx.net.nz
Others on email are:
21342 31 Anna Maria SVIATKO sviatko"at"ozemail.com.au
21551 15 Janice & Barry TOMS ** stumpy"at"quicksilver.net.nz 2002
21551 17 Shane LINGMAN chainsaw.te.awa"at"ihug.co.nz 2003
http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/shane01 2004
2182 br-in-law Cathy and Barry KEWISH cathy.barry"at"xtra.co.nz 2007
CONTENTS
SUMMARY: A4-size page number
2 Ralph WITHERS (1779) of Devizes,Wiltshire? m Mary 3
21 Major Edward WITHERS (1804 London-1883 Auckland) m1 MaryAnn 4
211 Charlotte WITHERS m 1853 Quartermaster PURCELL 6
21 Major Edward WITHERS (1804-1883) m2 Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON 6
213 William WITHERS (1839-c1905) m Caroline HARDING 6 MO
2134 Arthur James WITHERS 1878 m1 Flossie GOODWIN m2 Annie LAMB 7 DW, AS
2136 Evie WITHERS m1 Claude COLE m2 A W ELLIOTT m3 Henry HARTNY 8
2137 Millicent WITHERS m WEBER/WEBBER 8
2138 Frank WITHERS m1 Myrtle m2 Elizabeth C G STOKES "
2139 Dorrie WITHERS m Leonard JENKINS 9
213(10) Sylvia WITHERS m Christian PEDERSEN " PB
213(11) George WITHERS m Daisy Rose LAYTON "
214 Mary Jane WITHERS (1844/45) m Colonel Harry GREATWOOD 10
215 Captain Thomas WITHERS (1846-1928) m1 Rea TE PUKE 11
2152 Ned or Pepi WITHERS 1873 Opotiki m MaryAnn Erena DOUGLAS 12 TKW *NEW!
2155 Wilson Paki WITHERS (1879-1978) m Rahema TAIRUA 17 JT, SL
2155 1 Edith WITHERS 1902-1969 m Jimmy KELLY 18
2155 2 Joseph WALKER m Tangi MATCHETT 20
2155 3 John BELMONT m1 Millicent TAIA m2 Mattie RUA 21
2155 4 Isabelle Daisy Pohutu WITHERS m Sidney Hurley WATERSON 22
2155 5 Grace WITHERS 1916 m Neil WEBB 23
2155 6 Philip WITHERS 1918 m1 Kuini RICHMOND 1917-1962 24 LW's line
216 Edward WITHERS (1850-1914) m Agnes Mildred HALL 25
2161 Aimee Mildred WITHERS 1886-1956 m1 David Stewart MORTON "
2161 Aimee Mildred WITHERS 1886-1956 m2 Basil Brooke IRWIN 26
2164 Irene WITHERS m Harold PEARCE "
217 "Lizzie" WITHERS (-1915 Portland,USA) m Jack HALL of ChCh 27
218 Alfred George WITHERS (1854-1916) m Isabella BLANDFORD "
2182 Maud WITHERS (1881-1970s) m Thomas CALLISTER 28
2183 Kitty WITHERS (1883-1962) m Capt William Quayle KEWISH 29
2184 Beryl WITHERS (1889-1957 LA) m William James CATON 30
2187 Ted WITHERS (1895-1964 Los Angeles) m1 Peggy m2 ? 31
2188 Alfred WITHERS 1898-1959 PA,USA m2 Mary MONTROY m3 Jane 32 Bob W
21 Major Edward WITHERS (1804-1883) m3 1878 Fanny BATHAM 33
21(11) Colonel Charles McGregor WITHERS (1876 Napier) "
21(11)1 Naomi WITHERS (c1920 Yorks.-2002) m David TOWN "
21(12) Kathleen WITHERS (1878-Canada) m Alfred CARMICHAEL 34
21(13) Arthur Leslie "Pete" WITHERS 1880 Auckland-1961 Canada 35
22 Thomas WITHERS (1815) m ? in N England 36
23 Sergeant-Major John WITHERS Went missing in Crimean War "
24 Mary WITHERS m Captain James DAYMOND (1807-1881) of Chch 37
NOTE ON ORDERING:
The papers of 213 William WITHERS (1839-c1905) give the children of the Major
in the present order except for 218 & 219 who died young & are not mentioned.
These are held by PB.
0 0--WITHERS b at All Cannings,Wilts. bur. Devizes,Wilts. according to chart of
213 Wm held by PB (written All Cannons):
1 1--William WITHERS (1776 All Cannings,Wilts.) -chart of 213
2 1--Ralph WITHERS (1779 All Cannings,Wilts) buried Devizes,Wilts-chart of 213
m sp-Mary
The nearest in the IGI are
1. Ralph WITHERS bp: 28 MAR 1773 All Cannings, Wiltshire
son of William WITHERS & Hannah; batch P014061 1578-1680 1689-1812
ex church records
2. Ralph WITHERS b: 28 MAR 1773 , London, England Film Number: 183546
ex LDS member - ie private researcher
3. Ralph WITHERS b: 28 MAR 1773 , London, England
son of William WITHERS & Hannah MOSLEM; Film Number: 184307
ex LDS member - ie private researcher
Since Major WITHERS was born in London, this researcher (Daisy?) seems to have
changed Ralph's birthplace to London in order to identify him as
3836 74 7--Ralph WITHERS (bp 28.3.1773 Bishops Cannings-1836 Devizes)
m sp-Mary (-1847 Devizes)
son of
3836 7 6--William WITHERS (bp 19.11.1740 Bishops Cannings) alive 1799
in All Cannings
m 1.12.1766 All Cannings sp-Hannah MASLEN/MASLIN (bp 1747) 7 children.
son of
3836 5--Thomas WITHERS (bp 7.12.1698 Bishops Cannings-1782) m sp-Jane (-1778)
For more on this family see
http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withers.html
The problem is that the latter Ralph & Mary are believed to have had children
William WITHERS (1815 Devizes-1848 Devizes), Robert WITHERS (1817),
& John WITHERS (1820);
while Major Edward's father Ralph is believed to have had children
Major Edward WITHERS (1804 London-1883),
Sergeant-Major John WITHERS, Thomas WITHERS (1815) & Mary WITHERS.
Louise WITHERS employed a researcher to sort it out, who found the record
Ralph WITHERS
m 26.4.1802 at St James, Piccadilly, London by banns sp-Mary LAWES
both of this parish. (Info to LW 1987 ex Microfilm Vol 35.)
LW's researcher concluded these 2 Ralphs were different men stating
"Our attention must now focus on London sources."
- This tends to negate Caroline nee HARDING's view that Ralph was of Devizes.
HOWEVER PB has a letter dated Sept 1876,Christchurch from Edward's sister Mary
(24 below) to Wm (213 below): "My dear Willie ... My dear father [Ralph 2] was
born at the village of All Cannings [& I lived there] from age 5 to 21 [brought
up by brother of Ralph 2 - presumably by William 1]". To me this confirms that
the 2 Ralph & Mary's are the same couple. It is quite understandable that
PC WITHERS' tree did not pick up all the children of 3836 74 Ralph above; less
understandable why Wm 213 did not identify all his father's aunts & uncles.
However the chart of Wm 213 states as I recall that there may be other aunts &
uncles. (PB to check this.) It would certainly help if the war record of John
23 below gives his birth in 1820.
Wm 213 states that his father Major Edward 21 went to the law courts in London
& there read the will of
Edward WITHERS (b1701 d1770-1790) surgeon of Newbury who m Anne GREEN in 1722.
That Edward is 3837 in
http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withers.html
The Major apparently believed his father Ralph was a grandson
of 3837 & his rightful heir - wishful thinking I believe, as this does not
agree with the tree given by PC WITHERS: the above website gives the 3 sons of
Edward 3837 as
38372 Edward WITHERS (1724-1809) also a surgeon, who had 1 son:
383721 Rev. Edward WITHERS (1781-20.11.1862) who had 13 daughters & no sons;
38373 John WITHERS (1726-1726)
38374 William WITHERS (1728-1788) banker in Newbury,Berkshire who had 2 sons:
383741 William WITHERS (1756)
383742 Edward WITHERS (1757-1758).
Wm 213 wrote: Dr WITHERS [ie Edward 3837] d c1790 at "All Cannons" - "my ggfr
was the last in possession of the family estate at All Cannons near Devizes,
Wilts... He & his eldest son Wm squandered the estate ...
My aunt [Mary 24 below] says 2 sons came between William & Edward.
[Paul - Can you CHECK HE SAYS THIS- Does he mean between 1 William & 2 Ralph?
Or between 21 Edward & 24 Mary? If neither this is more evidence that
Ralph & Mary had children Edward 1804, Thomas 1815, Wm 1815, Robert 1817,
John 1920, Mary]
... Dr WITHERS left Miss CLARK 16,000 Pounds. His eldest son Wm [error:
3836 1 was eldest son of 3836 Thomas]; his grandfather Ralph [2 of this tree,
3836 74 of withers.html] was born All Cannons near Devizes & died Devizes.
Edward 21 & Thomas 22 ran away from home & joined the 7-th Regiment.
21 2--Major Edward WITHERS (5.12.1804 Marylebone, bp 17.5.1807 St Mary's, St
Marylebone Rd, London-20.5.1883 Upper Queen St., Auckland)
LW: bp cert gives b 3rd, army records give b 5th; eldest son.
D. cert. ex PB: d 20.5.1883 Queen St., Auckland of 2 wks bronchitis ag 76,
b Wiltshire! 37 years in NZ, Major NZ Militia age of dr 3, of sons 6 & 4,
aged 67 when m, m at Napier to Fanny BALTHAM sic. [The bp is on the IGI under
C035245, the bp records of this church 1807-14.] Edward & a brother (William?)
enlisted in 1824 in the 65th Regiment "the Royal Tigers". Dec 1829-Jan 1838 in
Demerara (British Guiana) & the West Indies. .1.1838-.7.1841 in French Canada
to quell the riots. Then to England where 213 William was born. Then to Ireland
where 214 Mary was born. In 1846 the Regt. was sent to NSW. The 65th arrived
Wellington 22.7.1846 from Sydney following the 1st Maori uprising in
Wellington District 16.5.1846. Then to the Bay of Islands .11.1847 when he
was Colour-Sergeant & Pay-Sergeant. Then Auckland - promoted to Sgt Major.
Then south. About 1847 he was quartermaster living on lower Mt Victoria,
Wellington. In Wellington for the big quakes of 1848, 1855.
In 1851 he was commissioned by the Duke of Wellington. "Early Wellington" by
Louis WARD describes a fire in the Wellington PO & stores 27.4.1856 put out
with the assistance of all the men of the 65th Regiment not on guard: a list
of "those prominent in giving assistance" includes "Messrs WITHERS & ALEXANDER
of the soldiery". On active service in Taranaki 1860-1861 at actions at Warea
under Col. CE GOLD, Waitara & Huirangi 1860-1861 under Genl PRATT, Kaihihi
until the surrender of Taranaki Maori 19.3.1861. Retired with rank of Capt. on
half pay 19.8.1862.
About 1862 Capt. WITHERS moved to Napier. When W Coast disturbances broke out
he formed a Volunteer Company there to quell the rebellion.
Made Major in 1872. He fought Te Kooti. Recommended by HRH Duke of Cambridge.
Served in Waikato. Resided in Napier & was Officer Commanding the Hawkes Bay
District. (The regt. was ordered from NZ in 1862 but
remained another 4 years at the request of Governor Sir George GREY. It
removed to Australia(?) 28.7.1878.) PB has a copy of his appointment in 1878 in
the NZ Gazette volume 2 p1092 as Commanding Officer of Auckland & Thames
Districts ... "Major E WITHERS, NZ Militia, to command the militia & volunteers
-[General] GS WHITMORE." When Major GORDON died Edward was appointed Inspecting
Officer for the Colony of NZ by the Colonial Government. His obit.? says he was
put in charge of the Auckland District in 1876. He moved to Auckland 1878 in
command of the Auckland Volunteer Regt. Auckland's population was then about
15,000. Placed on retired pay 1.6.1881. "He died in harness in 1883 and was
afforded a full Military funeral, the Governor's Aide de Camp attended." -PB.
Auckland Weekly News Obituary 26.5.1883 pp1,14 with an etching of him:
buried at C of E cemetery, Symonds St, Auckland by Dr COWIE, Bishop of
Auckland beside 2 of his children. His headstone reads
"40 yrs in Imperial & 20 yrs in Colonial Service." His home then was Upper
Queen St., Auckland.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/symondsst/sscem.html gives:
ABSTRACT The Anglican Sexton's list has Major E. WITHERS at Block B 85.
According to the late 1950's tombstone transcriptions Major E. WITHERS died
20 May 1883 aged 76 years having served 40 years in the Imperial and 20 years
in the Colonial Services. The St Paul's register has Major E. WITHERS buried
22 May 1883 aged 76 years of Upper Queen Street. The Death Certificate index
has Edward WITHERS in 1883 (No. 570). (He is the only WITHERS in the cemetery.)
When he died some of the family returned to England,
the sons becoming officers in the British Army. His death cert. (PB) gives
b Wilts., d at 76, widow Fanny BALTHAM sic & the ages of her 3 chn only.
1883-4 Wise's PO Directory p862: Major Upper Queen St Auckland.
This is a copy of the photo of him in the side hall
of St Paul's Cathedral, Molesworth St., Wellington. He was the 2nd choirmaster
& organist in the original St Paul's 1847-1860, (in 1847 under Rev Samuel POOLE
asst. curate to Robt COLE Vicar of Wellington) Courtesy of PB. 9kb
This photo of him seated holding a sword?? was held
by LW in 1987 - this copy ex Bob W.
This photo of him seated is ex LW in 1987 via Bob W.
See also Auckland Weekly News 6.5.1865 p8, 27.4.1872 p23, 26.5.1883; the
Herald 3.3.1883 p5 obituary (check - date looks wrong); Port (meaning?)
21.5.1883 (4) & 22.5.1883 (1) & 23.5. (7);
Raike's Roll of Officers of the York & Lancaster Regt (not sighted),
Hart's Army List 1864 under section Quartermasters (unsighted);
NZ Times 22.5.1883, NZ Mail 26.5.1883 82 11e 13c; NZ Obituaries 1926 vol 13
p284 (Turnbull Library) re Auckland Star 12.7.1928; letter from Auckland Inst.
& Museum of 2.8.1972. Letter 10.8.1977 from National Archives to HA WATTS (see
http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withersoz/withersoz.html): Pension of
10/- per diem (half pay) from 1.7.1865; Louis
WARD's "Early Wellington" list of "those (in the 65th Regt not on guard at
the time) prominent in giving assistance" putting out a fire 27.4.1856 in the
Wellington PO & adjoining stores includes "Messrs WITHERS & ALEXANDER"; this
book also lists a Bombadier WITHERS in charge of Fort Kelburn, Wellington in
1889; this could be his son Alfred George WITHERS 218 below, or possibly his
son Capt. Edward WITHERS.
See "The story of Hawkes Bay" by ?? The Hauhau invasion p167:
" ... The attack upon the other pa was now renewed, but meanwhile a party of
loyal Maoris under Major WITHERS & 2nded by the fighting chief Ihaka Whanga,
was approaching from Wairoa ..." - the attack on Te Kooti, the wrongful
(according to COLENSO's booklet) execution in Napier in 1871 of Kereopa
leader of the Hauhaus who murdered Rev Carl VOLKNER in Opotiki ...
p168: the celebration on 24.5.1872 in Napier: "The Volunteers, to the number
of 150, paraded ... (&) a lengthy procession of Maoris bearing flags ...
Major WITHERS in command of the parade at Clive Square, told the assemblage
that if they had seen the place where Henare had been hemmed in by the
Hauhaus, they would better understand the difficulty, as well as the
importance, of what he had accomplished. `We may claim for our dusky fellow
citizens of Hawkes Bay the exclusive honour of having stood almost alone in
the breach in the hour of NZ's greatest peril.' Major WITHERS then presented to
Henare a Sword of Honour sent to him by the Queen. ...."
I've not yet typed his letter of 11.10.1866 from "Headquarters, Napier".
Hawkes Bay Government Gazette 1.11.1866: Militia District Order A No. 3:
... By Order, E. WITHERS, Captain & District Adjutant.
From "Fielder's Scrapbook" held by Napier Library Museum: 25.7.1878:
"Presentation to Major WITHERS ... in the Theatre Royal .. quite a brilliant
appearance such as has seldom if ever been witnessed in Napier ... presented
to Major W a handsomely illuminated address ... a silver salver inscribed
Presented to Major Edward WITHERS (late Captain HM 65th Regiment) by his
comrades and friends in token of their appreciation of his services during
his command of the Colonial Forces in Hawkes Bay. Napier July 24,1878' &
purse of 100 sovereigns ... Col. LAMBERT ... could safely say that the Major
was the beau ideal of a British soldier. (Tremendous applause.) ... at
Omaranui the gallantry of Major W was highly commended by the commanding
officer..." The Cadets presented him with a gold pencil-case. Mr KENNEDY
told how Major W taught music to the Musical Society 2 nights a week."
Louise has sent me a photocopies of a number of photos including one of the
tray which has photos of about 35 men of the Napier Artillery, with him in
the centre.
Here is the complete account, kindly typed
by Bob WITHERS.
Freeholders of NZ 1882 (1884):
Hobson 12 acres 300P, Waipawa 76 acres - 370P, Coromandel 0 -1P, Onehunga
591P. Estate of children of the late Edward WITHERS, Auckland:
Hobson 295 acres 900 P, Waipawa 76 acres 608P.
LW lists him as the 3rd child but gives no b dates for his 3 sibs below.
Auckland Weekly News Obituary 26.5.1883 pp1,14: he had 2 children by his 1st
wife - 1 still living, 9 by his 2nd wife - 6 still living, & 3 by his 3rd
wife. LW's 1st version gave the 3 wives as
1. Elizabeth ANDERSON 2. Elizabeth Ann 3. Fanny BATHAM. By 1986 she had
concluded that 1 & 2 were the same person & 1st wife was Mary Ann.
Entries for Major Edward from Turnbull Library Biographies Index:
d1883 TL 3/1/2 19.4.1962 b1805 Marylebone
Raikes Roll of officers of the York and Lancaster Regt
Hart's Army List 1864 under section Quartermasters
NZ Times 22.5.1883 Obituary In 65th Regt,arrived Bay of Islands 1847
o/c Volunteers & musician 1807?-83
death NZ Mail 26.5.1883 8e; obit 11e, funeral 13c
NZ Mail 26.5.1883 (Turnbull Library):
8e Edward WITHERS onetime choirmaster at St Peter's, Te Aro; conductor of
Napier Musical Society.
11e Edward was "Inspecting Officer for the colony".
13c 2-3000 at funeral.
Turnbull Library 3/1/2: Capt Ed WITHERS rank of quartermaster 21.11.1851,
captain 19.9.1862, 1/2 pay 19.8.1862
NZ Times 22.5.1883: Major WITHERS died Sat. aged 76 ... When the West coast
disturbances broke out, Capt WITHERS formed a Volunteer Co in Napier to take
care of the work of quelling the rebellion & was a prominent figure throughout
the campaign. In 1876 he was appointed to the charge of the Auckland
district. He leaves a grownup family.
This bio includes that in "Rakes Roll of Officers" formerly the 65th Regt. held
by Natl Library.
Bruce CAIRNS hicketypip"at"lycos.com 2006 has a list of 65th Regiment officers
at http://hicketypip.tripod.com/officers65th.htm He gives
- Edward WITHERS - 65th Regiment - promoted Quartermaster (from Sgt Major)
21 Jan 1851. - John PURCELL replaced him as 65th Regiment QM on his retirement
19 August 1862. Left New Zealand with the regiment on the "JOHN TEMPERLEY"
24 Oct 1865, arrived Plymouth 16 Jan 1866. [Looks like the husband of 211.]
- Henry GREATWOOD - 70th Regiment - promotion dates - Ensign 30 Dec 1859,
Lieut. 9 Jan 1863. Departed NZ with his wife on "IDA ZEIGLER" which arrived
in Plymouth March 1866. [Looks like the husband of 214.]
"The promotion dates of all the officers are available in the Army Lists
and Hart's Army Lists at the National Library (ground floor on the
shelves behind the photo collection)."
Here is the text of his will
Here is a photocopy of p1 of his will ex JB
Here is a photocopy of p2 of his will ex JB
Here is a photocopy of p3 of his will ex JB
m1 sp-Mary Ann (2 chn - LW.)
211 3--Charlotte WITHERS (-Dublin,Ireland) Widow on officers pension, Ireland?
(chart of 213 held by PB). Eldest dr - bible of 218. Her fr left her 40 acres
& the bible presented to him by the congregation of St Peters Church, Well'n.
m 22.9.1853 sp-Quartermaster PURCELL (of the 65th Regt?) (-d by 1884)
This could be John PURCELL who replaced Major EW as 65th Regiment QM on his
retirement 19 August 1862. Left New Zealand with the regiment on the "JOHN
TEMPERLEY" 24 Oct 1865, arrived Plymouth 16 Jan 1866.
- ex Bruce CAIRNS hicketypip"at"lycos.com 2006 & his site
http://hicketypip.tripod.com/officers65th.htm
2111? 4--Elizabeth Stephanie PURCELL (-25.3.1864 Auckland)
2112? 4--Margaret PURCELL (19.5.1865 Auckland)
..........................................................................
[21 2--Major Edward WITHERS (1804 London-1883)]:
m2 Montreal, Canada sp-Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON (c1819-15.4.1872 Napier) Died
aged 53. Buried Old Napier Cemetery. 9 children. Daughter of
a well-to-do fur trader. Obituary Auckland Weekly News 27.4.1872 p23.
LW held this photo in 1987: "possibly" her - this copy
ex Bob W.
212 3--George WITHERS died young at Salford, Manchester, 2 months before the
birth of Wm 213.
..........................................................................
213 3--William Vere WITHERS (1839 Manchester,England; bp 23.7.1843 St Mary's,
Salford,Manchester;buried 25.1.1906 Karori Cemetery,Wellington [tel 476 7578 in
2004]) Accountant with BNSW. Asthmatic.
16 years in the Stamp Dept. & General
Register's Office then invalided by asthma & bronchitis. A gifted artist
with the pencil. PB has his papers & genealogy chart. It contains at least 1
error: it gives the Major's bp at St James,Piccadilly but it was at St Mary's
Marylebone. The war record of 2135 & his cemetery record gives Vere as a middle
name: this is also his wife's middle name!
His fr left him 56 acres.
m 19.9.1868 Napier sp-Caroline Margaret Vere HARDING (1845 Doncaster,England
-c1941 Palmerston N.) Daughter of Rev. Isaac HARDING a methodist minister on
the gold fields in Oz & NZ. Founded the Wesleyan Church in Dunedin in 1862:
Mitchell Library,Sydney. She was a sister to Mrs Mary BEATTIE of Coomera & to
Rev. Alfred HARDING of Oz. She lived in Foxton & Shannon. PB has a letter of
her mother written 1853 to her mother's parents. She gave a colourful
10 page family history she wrote in 1901 to 2134 Arthur and a short version to
21341 Daisy. PB also has 2 versions. It included the big earthquake in
Wellington (15.10.1848 or .1.1855). I have p1-3:
"The elder branch of the WITHERS family had at one time 3 seats in the N of
England & this property at one time devolved upon a dr who married a Mr BIGG
founding the BIGG-WITHER family. Gran's husband was descended from the
2nd branch." This history was finished 1937 & appears to refer to "A history of
the WITHER family" by Rev. RF BIGG-WITHER (1907). However that book makes no
link between the WITHER family of Manydown & the WITHERS family living in
Bishops Cannings in the 1500s. It seems that not only Caroline but also
Wm's brother Charles, 21(11) below, believed this connection, as Charles held
a copy of this book now with PB. Charles inscribed his copy
"Manydown, Fitzroy Rd, Fleet, Hampshire". So it appears he named his home in
England after the Manydown property of the WITHER family.
[The site http://www.withersfamily.com/withersgenl.html
giving "Descendants of Sir Knight Robert WYTHER", under no. 6 - Thomas
WYTHER Esq, refers to Thomas inheriting the seat of Manydown. -PB
Sid JORDAN Elsid"at"clear.net.nz 2003 hopes to update the BIGG-WITHER book in
2007 & may put its pedigrees online. He has been to the church at Manydown. He
met his wife Elsa's cousin Richard BIGG-WITHER (now d)
"at his cottage outside Winchester and viewed the family Paintings stretching
back over several hundred years. He also showed us large boxes in his garage
that he said contained the original deeds, titles, wills etc. and other
documents that related to Manydown during the WITHER - BIGG-WITHER tenure.
We also have here copies of a press release in the UK on the TV series of
Pride & Prejudice by Jane AUSTEN explaining that the original story by her
was based around Manydown and that she was engaged to be married to a
BIGG-WITHER but she broke it off."
Their children were reordered 16.9.03 after seeing PB's chart of 213 giving
211-218 in the order given them here; presumably written before the birth of
Frances Amelia 21(10) in 1859/60.
2131 4--William Edward (or Edward William?) Vere WITHERS (23.8.1870
Wellington) Went to the Terrace School, Wellington. (PB thinks this might be
Palmerston N.) Drowned aged 16 in Pohangina River, Palmerston North.
2132 4--Caroline Beatrice "Trissie" WITHERS A nurse. Died single c1915.
2133 4--Mary Elinor WITHERS "Aunt Molly" d1942 in Palmerston North. Never
married. Looked after her mother at Foxton and Levin.
2134 4--Sergeant Arthur James WITHERS (16.2.1878 Pipitea Point,Wellington
-30.12.1974 Levin) Printer for Watson & Eyre, Palmerston North. Served twice
in the Boer Wars:
(1) Reg No: 72 in No. 1 company, Ship: Waiwera 21 October 1899
Rank: private, Occupation: printer, Next of Kin: Withers Mrs C
Next of Kin Address: Broad Street Palmerston North, County/City: Oroua
(2): Regtl No. 5268 or 5263, N Island Battalion, 8th Contingent B Squadron
Private, printer, Ship: Surrey 1 February 1902, Next of Kin: WITHERS Mr
William Vere father, County/City: Oroua.
He captured Commandant VAN TYLL, a favorite general of President KRUGER.
For this he was presented with the Commandant's rifle given him by KRUGER.
Mentioned in dispatches. One of the 1st to reach Kimberley, South Africa.
PB has his war record giving Witherbigg as his 3rd name!
One can subscribe to BOER-WAR-D-request"at"rootsweb.com
- see also http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BWInfo.htm
& http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/BoerWar.htm
Those who served in New Zealand units in the Boer Wars can be checked at
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/SAW/Database.htm This gives his info as
above.
m1 sp-"Flossie" Florence Helen Turton GOODWIN d 4.11.1916 at Batt St,
Palmerston North at age 35. Daughter of James & Lucy (PN record).
2134 1 5--"Dick" Richard Alfred Harding WITHERS of Hawkes Bay
m sp-May BELLAMY *1987: Lake View Farm, Box 5, Tutira, 30m N of Napier.
2134 11 6--Colin WITHERS
2134 12 6--Roger WITHERS
2134 2 5--"Jack" Arthur John Godwin WITHERS of Auckland. Daisy wife of
213(11)1, taught him music for a while. Curator for the Anglican? Church at
Te Kawhata.
m ?
2134 21 6--Warwick WITHERS
*1961: a nurse at Napier Hospital. He moved to Wairoa where he was involved
with St Johns Ambulance.
m sp-Jo
2134 211 7--Tracy Shona WITHERS
2134 212 7--Andrew WITHERS
2134 213 7--Annette WITHERS
2134 22 6--Rev. James Arthur WITHERS
*c1980: St Andrew's, Selwyn Rd, Kohimaramara, Auckland.
m sp-Pat STEWART
2134 221 7--Nicholas WITHERS
2134 222 7--Ruth WITHERS
2134 223 7--Rebecca WITHERS
2134 224 7--Nathan WITHERS
2134 225 7--Daniel WITHERS
2134 23 6--Patricia WITHERS
m sp-Frank SVIATKO Formerly they lived at 96 Mahia Rd, Manurewa.
2134 231 7--Anna Maria C SVIATKO
*c1990 a librarian at Applied Maths Division, DSIR, Wellington.
2001: sviatko"at"ozemail.com.au
"I am working as the Canberra Recruitment Manager for a company called
Library Locums which specialises in recruiting (funnily enough) Librarians,
Records Managers, Knoweldge Managers and the like.
I can be found at http://www.oneumbrella.com.au/ams.html "
2134 232 7--Anna Lisa SVIATKO
[2134 4--Arthur James WITHERS]:
m2 sp-Annie Olive LAMB
2134 3 5--Doris WITHERS
m sp-RODGER
2135 4--W.as WITHERS - PB to check chart of 213.
2136 4--"Evie" Evelyn Marion WITHERS of Shannon. Treated as a daughter by the
WOODS family.
m1 sp-Claude COLE
2136 1 5--Patrick James COLE *2003: Parklands, Waikanae
2136 2 5--Nancy COLE m sp-Alan CHAMPION
[2136 4--"Evie" Evelyn Marion WITHERS]:
m2 sp-A W ELLIOTT of Waipukurau c1941.
m3 at age 85 sp-Henry HARTNY (Napier)
2137 4--Millicent WITHERS In Palmerston North c1941.
m sp-WEBER/WEBBER Editor of the Auckland Star.
2137 1 5--Gwen WEBER/WEBBER Lived at Glendowie,Auckland
m sp-Cyril GREGORY architect
2137 2 5--Betty WEBER/WEBBER school dental nurse
m sp- ELLIOTT
2138 4--"Frank" Francis Alma WITHERS (1886-21.5.1973) His middle name is from
a Crimean War battle -see 23. He was the youngest foreman in the Public
Works Dept. in Napier or Hastings c1928. He had an uncle Tom who married
Bella PAPAKURA of Whakarewarewa,Rotorua where they are buried.
m1 sp-Myrtle div.
m2 31.8.1925 sp-Elizabeth C G STOKES
2138 1 5--Valere Amee WITHERS
*2000: Whangaparoa, Auckland
m sp-PUCKEY They lived in Devonport, Auckland. Owned a nightclub.
2138 2 5--Marcia Lois WITHERS (1921) In 1961 a nurse at Napier
Hospital.
*2000: Unit 41, Bentley Park, 1 Bridgman Drive, Reedy Creek 4228, Gold Coast,
Brisbane, Australia. Email ranann"at"bigpond.com bounced
m sp- OATES
2138 21 6--Christopher Ross OATES *2000: London
2139 4--Dora WITHERS "Auntie Dorrie" Lived in Shannon then Wellington c1941.
m sp-Leonard JENKINS He had a dairy and milk run in Shannon.
213(10) 4--Sylvia Agnes WITHERS She moved to Havelock North in 1950s.
Inherited from her mother.
m sp-Christian PEDERSEN d1934 of TB. Farmer at Koputaroa just N of Levin then
at "Maritanga" farm, Queen St E, Levin.
213(10) 1 5--Lancelot Christian Winther PEDERSEN (1910-85) *1950s: Wellington
m sp-Rita JUDD (Whakatane)
213(10) 11 6--Mark PEDERSEN c1965. With the UN, cleared mines in Bosnia.
213(10) 2 5--Valentine Harding PEDERSEN (1912-2000) Lived at Narrowneck,
Auckland. Managing Director of Leighton's Driving School, Auckland.
m ? 3 sons Roger, Stuart, Bruce
213(10) 3 5--Roger Vere PEDERSEN (1912-1934) Killed in motorbike accident.
213(10) 4 5--Denis PEDERSEN (1917) *2003: Papakura. PB has letters to him from
his grmr Caroline.
213(10) 5 5--Madge PEDERSEN (1918-1998)
213(10) 6 5--Dorothy PEDERSEN (1921-1996) School teacher.
213(10) 7 5--Nancy Joan PEDERSEN (1922 Koputaroa)
m sp-Arthur George BARNETT (1918 Gisborne)
213(10) 71 6--Paul Arthur BARNETT (1950 Wellington)
*2003: c/ Chapman Tripp, Wellington.
Here is a photo of Paul, Bob WITHERS 2188 1, &
Kit WITHERS at Karori Cemetery, Wellington on the occasion of our visit to the
graves of Bob's grandfather 218 Alfred WITHERS & Paul's greatgrandfather
213 William WITHERS in 2004.
m sp-Anne PRYDE (Wellington)
213(10) 711 7--Fiona Anne BARNETT
213(10) 712 7--Vanessa Jane BARNETT
213(10) 713 7--Joanna Elizabeth BARNETT
213(10) 72 6--Carolyn BARNETT (1953-1998) Did not marry - no issue.
213(11) 4--George Francis WITHERS (15.11.1881 Wellington-.8.1935) Went to
England before reaching 20; served as a private in the artillery in a fort at
Plymouth, Gibraltar & under General KITCHENER in Egypt & India. One time he
was so tired he slept under a 4.7 mountain gun while it was firing. Moved to
Australia from England in early 1900s. He was in the London police & joined
the NSW police. He got called up as an Australian British Army reserve & got
transferred to the Australian army. He served with the 1st Australian
Expeditionary Force to New Guinea in the No. 1 Machine Gun Section. He was
wounded in the foot next to Capt. POCKLEY when latter was killed. Contracted
malaria while convalescing. Sent to Sydney & discharged & retired from the
Police. He joined ANZAC Memorial Band which toured Australia then settled on
a Soldiers Settler Farm at Coolah in NW NSW. Drought, flood & inexperience
lost him the little money he had so the family moved to Palmerston N in
.3.1922. His last 3 years was in hospital there where he died of asthma.
m 1908 sp-Daisy Rose LAYTON (20.7.1880-1937 Glebe, Sydney) dr of George LAYTON
(accountant in Sydney) & Elizabeth nee RUSTIN (25.11.1840 Glebe,Sydney) A 2nd
cousin Wm LAYTON was Town Clerk of Sydney. A small st. off George St W,
Sydney is named after him.
213(11) 1 5--"Frank" Francis George WITHERS (19.11.1908 Sydney-x.6.1999)
Worked in bus workshops for Palmerston N CC until WW2 then joined the RNZAF.
Worked in Fiji in 1959.
m .1.1937 sp-Daisy Adeline MORGAN (24.12.1907 Foxton-3.12.1991) Taught music.
* c1972: 669 New North Rd, Sydney; & 16 Westminster Bxly, Sydney;
later: Eventide Homes, 967 Henry Lawson Drive, Padstow Heights, NSW 2211, Oz.
In 1973 she wrote me c/ Mr RP MORGAN,116 Methuen Rd, Avondale, Auckland 7 -
her brother. In .10.1973 they had moved back to NZ & were living at Flat 3,
669 New North Rd, Mt Albert, Auckland 3.
213(11)1 1 6--Ivan Francis WITHERS (15.4.1938 Palmerston North, NZ) of Sydney.
A technical author at AWA, Sydney. In 2004 a technical writer with Aristocrat
in Sydney.
*c1971: 2 Fullford Dudas, Sydney tel 638 3566
m1 sp-Noelene Doris BLAKE (1946) Div. 1990.
213(11) 111 7--Sandra May WITHERS (16.6.1971 Ryde, NSW)
* 2004: NSW, Australia
m 21.9.1991 sp-Kenneth William STOPHER (3.7.1962)
213(11) 112 7--Melinda Gaye WITHERS (3.12.1973 Ryde, NSW)
[213(11)1 1 6--Ivan Francis WITHERS (15.4.1938 Palmerston North, NZ)]
m2 x.12.1992 sp-Lily NG
213(11) 12 6--Vinci (female) WITHERS (9.9.1942)
m sp-Lewis DODDS
213(11) 2 5--Ivy WITHERS (26.11.1912 Sydney)
*c1980: Flat 1, 1038 Great N Road, Point Chevalier, Auckland.
m sp-BEDFORD
213(11) 21 6--Max BEDFORD
213(11) 22 6--Barry BEDFORD
213(11) 23 6--Colleen BEDFORD
213(11) 24 6--Maureen BEDFORD Was tel. 90 89 076 - Sydney?
213(11) 25 6--Anita BEDFORD She informed me of "A history of the WITHER
family" by Rev. Reg F BIGG-WITHER (1907) held by John A BIGG-WITHERS of 14
Cleek Rd, Mangere.
m1 sp- KEENAN Divorced.
m2 sp-John PERI
213(11) 251 7--Sandra PERI
213(11) 252 7--Jim PERI
213(11) 26 6--Myron BEDFORD
213(12) 4--Winnifred WITHERS died at a few months
...................................................................
214 3--Mary Jane WITHERS (1844/45 Mullingar, Ireland) In 1917 at Festing Rd,
Southsea, England. Her fr left her 59 acres & the bible presented to him by the
choir of St Johns Church of Napier.
m 20.4.1865 St John's, Napier sp-Colonel Henry "Harry" Frederick GREATWOOD
(-c1925) of the 70th Regiment. Cousin or nephew of Governor of NZ Sir John or
Thomas Gore BROWNE.
He later went to India then to England where he rented Tiverton Castle in
Devon of the BAMPFYTE? CAREWS family. One son was in the Horse Guards in
1901. Another was in "a crack regt." Auckland Weekly News 6.5.1865.
See under 2182 Maud for a postcard (via Bob, held by LW in 1987) sent 23.7.1917
by "JH" - presumably Jack HALL, sp of 217 for a postcard 23.7.1917 ex Portland,
Oregon, to 2182 Maud, giving "Aunt Mary's address":
Mrs Colonel H GREATWOOD, Festing Rd, Southsea, England.
This photo of "their children" from the album of
218 via Bob W is probably of their eldest 3. 7 kb
Bruce CAIRNS hicketypip"at"lycos.com 2006 gives
at http://hicketypip.tripod.com/officers65th.htm
- Henry GREATWOOD - 70th Regiment - promotion dates - Ensign 30 Dec 1859,
Lieut. 9 Jan 1863. Departed NZ with his wife on "IDA ZEIGLER" which arrived
in Plymouth March 1866.
2141 4--Major Frank GREATWOOD "after being wounded twice, & returning to the
front, has had his left arm shot clean off." - Card from John HALL to
[2182] 23.4.1917.
2142 4--Thomas GREATWOOD
2143 4--Edward GREATWOOD
2144 4--Alfred GREATWOOD
2145 4--Arthur GREATWOOD in the Mounted Police in Natal in 1917 - see card
23.7.1917 under 2182 Maud.
..........................................................................
215 3--Captain Thomas B WITHERS (1846-5.7.1928 Opotiki) He fought Te Kooti
& Titokowaru in the 1860s. Died aged 82. He was Inspector of Runanga Camp of
the Armed Constabulary in the 1870s. He lived in Great Barrier until his 2nd
wife died when he joined his family in Opotiki: "NZ Obituaries 1926 vol 13
p284 Turnbull Library ex Auckland Star 12.7.1928. "The fight at Ruakituri"
by R DUNCAN (Hocken Library,Dunedin) has an account by Thomas. A photo of
him is in Cyclopedia of NZ vol 4 p212: "Educated at private schools in
Wellington & Napier, & at Auckland College & Grammar School. Joined the Napier
Yeomanry Cavalry, which relieved Poverty Bay & Mohaka ... joined BNZ c1866
in Napier. Later to Blenheim with National Bank. Then to Napier to the
Colonial Bank. Also Wanganui, Timaru, Auckland, ChCh & Dunedin with the
Colonial Bank. In 1894 joined Findlay & Co., timber merchants. Sent to
Adelaide in 1896 as secretary of the Globe Timber Mills. Oct. 1897 manager
of Victoria Brewery. Married with 3 drs."
His son Paki told me in 1963 that his father did some goldmining near Tairoa.
LW sent me photocopies of 3 photos of him, the 2nd aged 57 in 1907.
This is one of those photos of him.
In 1987 LW gave his d date as 3.7.1928.
His fr left him 59 acres & the silver baton presented him by the Musical
Society of Napier.
NZ Obituaries Vol. 13 p261: Auckland Star 12.7.1928 "TRAIL OF TE KOOTI.
VETERAN SOLDIER PASSES. LATE CAPTAIN TOM WITHERS. TALES OF ADVENTURE RECALLED.
When he was laid to rest with military honours at Opotiki last week ... a
veteran of the Maori wars & in the 60s was one of the finest of the British
officers who followed the trails of the rebel leade TE KOOTI & TITOKOWARU. ...
In the chase .. MW DELANEY of Parnell was a bugler boy .. on 1 occasion when
his company was doing a forced march through the heavy NZ bush, the kindly
captain carried him across a deep river ...(DELANEY) had gone into action at
Opotiki at the age of 11!
When Soldiers Held the Line. ... One has to picture a camp in the interior
of NZ occupied by the Armed Constabulary in holding the line between Taupo &
Napier. The camp was at Runanga & there were similar stations at Te Haroto &
Tarawera. In the early 70s .. Mr CLARK was posted to Runanga station, & the
officer in charge was Inspector WITHERS.
In holding the line the members of the force had their responsibilities,
but in the main they spent a care-free life. In their times of relaxation
they lived Maori fashion, & in their sports they experienced splendid
comradeship. Captain W was thoughtful for the welfare of his men, & was ever
in the lead in organising healthy recreation.
Prowess as a Bushman. Looking back to those adventurous & colourful times,
his old comrades recall the splendid physique physique of Captain W & the
bright personality which ever made him the centre of attention. As a leader
of men whose calling took them into the heart of the bush he was superb. ...
`... He was so gifted as to be one of the few men who could go into the
bush with Maoris and lose them.'
His old comrades too picture him as the central figure in the camp fire
groups, sometimes relating adventures of the TE KOOTI trail & at other trails,
but rarely speaking of his own share in the adventures. Those were tales of
the most eventful times that NZ has ever known, thrilling tales of tangled
forests, swollen rivers & dangerous defiles, epic tales of elusive enemies &
chivalrous foes.
Mining at the Barrier. After the disbanding of the Armed Constabulary Corps,
... (Mr CLARK) heard that Capt W was at the Great Barrier, & he visited him
there. The old soldier had experienced hard times through losses in mining
adventures, including silver mining on the Barrier, but he was still the
same charming personality, & delighted to welcome an old comrade. ... After
the death of his 2nd wife 3 yrs ago Capt W left for Opotiki to be near the
members of his family. ..."
Turnbull Library Biographies Index: d1926 Vol 13 p284; vol 5 p30 1950-51.
His name appears on p350 (at least) of "The NZ Wars: a history of the Maori
campaigns & the pioneering period" by James COWAN, printer RE OWEN, Wellington:
WORK OF THE WHAKATANE COLUMN ... The Constabulary divisions chiefly engaged in
the heavy skirmishing here were Nos. 1 & 2 under Captains WITHERS, ...
2183 Kitty KEWISH sent him a postcard of Devonport Racecourse & Narrow Neck in
1913 addressed to
Mr Withers, Ohupu, Great Barrier Island - held by LW in 1987: ".. our house ..
is nearly in the centre ..." - close to racecourse.
m1 sp-Rea TE PUKE "A chieftainess of the Ngati Here, subtribe of the
Whakatohea" -* below. Daughter of Potaramu TE PUKE & Harata TIMATA.
2151 4--Thomas WITHERS d 1901 in Boer War aged 21 - LW.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/SAW/Database.htm gives him as
WITHERS T 5th, No 11 company (Auckland section) private miner 2416
Ship: Maori 31 March 1900 Next of Kin: WITHERS Mr T Next of Kin Address: same
County/City: Thames
2152 4--(Ned or Pepi) Edward WITHERS (1873 Opotiki) This line is from Thomas
Kupa WITHERS, TKW via LW.
m Mary Ann Erena DOUGLAS b 11.5.1875 Mohaka daughter of Edward DOUGLAS
1838-1917 (son of Adam LANDELLS b 1812 Cheviot Hills, UK & Mgt DOUGLAS b 1815
Scotland) & Te Korowhiti TUATAKA (dr of Te Rangi TUATAKA).
2152 1 5--Mary Rubina WITHERS b 9.1.1894
2152 2 5--Elizabeth May WITHERS b 16.3.1896
2152 3 5--Georgina Hinekakia WITHERS b 14.5.1898
2152 4 5--Thomas Charles Tangata WITHERS b 28.3.1900
m sp-Lena Kaiwa HAMILTON b: 22 Dec 1914 d: 27 Mar 1978
2152 41 6--Sonny Maia WITHERS
2152 42 6--Rubenna WITHERS
2152 43 6--Manga Kupa WITHERS
2152 44 6--Mihiwairua Moyla WITHERS b: 04 Mar1932 d: 04 Nov 1984
m1 Rewai Robert MANSFIELD b: 15 Aug 1919
2152 441 7--Rebecca Kul-Haere MANSFIELD m sp-Russel WEEKS
2152 4411 8--John WEEKS
2152 4412 8--Vivienne WEEKS
2152 442 7--Riwal Thomas MANSFIELD m sp-Cheyenne TAHAU
2152 4421 8--Bevan TAHAU
[2152 44 6--Mihiwairua Moyla WITHERS b: 04 Mar1932 d: 04 Nov 1984]
m2 sp-Sidney BOWEN
2152 443 7--Tui BOWEN
2152 444 7--Nyree Yvonne BOWEN m sp- LILLY
2152 4441 8--Tracey Renne LILLY b: 23 Jun 1970
2152 4442 8--Reuben James Michael LILLY b: 18 Mar 1975
2152 4443 8--Laura Jayne Mary LILLY b: 10 Dec1978
2152 4444 8--Bonnie Louise Broadhurst LILLY b: 22 Jul 1980
2152 445 7--Sidney Stanley BOWEN b: Ol Dec 1954
2152 4451 8--Olivia Michelle BOWEN b: 11 Sep 1993
2152 446 7--Rangi BOWEN b: 17 Dec 1955 m1 ?
2152 4461 8--Natasha PASCO b: 1975,
2152 44611 9--James
[2152 446 7--Rangi BOWEN b: 17 Dec 1955]
m2 sp-Denise Therese NOLAN b: 19 Sep 1958
2152 4461 8--Kylie Louise BOWEN b: O8 Jul 1981
2152 4461 8--Jessica Mary BOWEN b: 17 Feb 1984
2152 4461 8--Keriana Elizabeth BOWEN b: 27 May 1986
2152 447 7--Lois Mihi BOWEN b: 11 Feb 1957
m sp-Wayne VALLANCE b: 04 May 1954
2152 4471 8--Gina VALLANCE b: 14 Sep 1973
2152 4471 1 9--Olivia
2152 4472 8--Lee VALLANCE b: 03 Sep 1976
2152 448 7--Heni BOWEN b: 25 Feb 1960 m1 sp-Mane TURI
2152 4481 8--Ross TURI b: 16 Aug 1983
2152 4482 8--Paula TURI b: 11 May1982
2152 4483 8--Christelle TURI b: 04 Jun 1979
[2152 448 7--Heni BOWEN b: 25 Feb 1960]
m2 sp-Vern WILLIAMS b:26 Jul 1959
2152 4484 8--Kurt Tamati WILLIAMS b: 21 Aug 1996
[2152 448 7--Heni BOWEN b: 25 Feb 1960]
m3 ?
2152 4485 8--Billie b: 23 Mar 1993
2152 449 7--Thomas Charles BOWEN b: O8 Apr 1958 m sp-Sheryll Jean
2152 4491 8--Luke Rangi BOWEN
2152 4492 8--Emma Margeret BOWEN
2152 44(10) 7--Karl Trevor BOWEN b: O8 Mar 1961
m sp-Janet Mary CURRIE b: 27 Jul 1963
2152 44(10)1 8--Karl Lewis BOWEN b: 25 Oct 1990
2152 44(10)2 8--Jordon Andrew BOWEN b: OS Jul 1992
2152 44(11) 7--Michael William BOWEN b: 15 Apr 1962
m sp- Linda Margaret MCALLISTER b: 07 Jul 1960
2152 44(11)1 8--Joshua Sidney BOWEN b: Ol Mar1989
2152 44(11)2 8--Daniel John BOWEN b: 04 Apr1991
2152 44(12) 7--Marion Joan BOWEN-ANDREWS b: 20 Aug 1963
2152 44(12)1 8--Joshua Clarke SMITH b: 21 Aug 1986
2152 44(12)2 8--Cameron Andrew SMITH b: 31 Aug 1990
2152 44(13) 7--Wallace Campbell BOWEN b: 17 Dec 1966
m sp-Barbara b: 27 Sep 1970
2152 44(14) 7--William John BOWEN
[2152 44 6--Mihiwairua Moyla WITHERS b: 04 Mar1932 d: 04 Nov 1984]
m3 ?
2152 44(15) 7--Alexander KELLY
2152 45 6--Machen Te Hauparoa WITHERS b: 02 Jan 1937
m sp-Myra TOKONA b: 10 Jan 1946
2152 451 7--Mardi Male Rare WITHERS b: 25 Jul 1963
m sp-Tupu WILSON b:13 Sep 1952
2152 4511 8--Rangi WILSON b: 27 Nov 1978
2152 4512 8--Deacon WILSON b: 27 Dec 1979
2152 4513 8--Natasha WILSON b: 15 Feb 1983
2152 4514 8--Nikita WILSON b: Ol Jan 1986
2152 4515 8--Matthew WILSON b: 23 Nov 1988
2152 452 7--Linda Te Parekura WITHERS b: 07 Mar 1965
m sp-Thomas Tommy WITIKA b: 29 Jul 1962
2152 4521 8--Shannon Piahana WITHERS b: 14 Aug 1980
2152 4522 8--Maxine WITIKA b: 20 Dec 1983
2152 4523 8--Krystal Meila WITIKA b: 13 Mar 1985
2152 4524 8--Shiane Noami WITIKA b: 29 Jul 1986
2152 4525 8--Winston WITIKA b: 04 Aug 1987
2152 4526 8--Shikoni ( WITIKA?) b: 23 Jan 1989
2152 4527 8--Grant Hapi WITIKA b: 18 Dec 1990
2152 453 7--Ann WITHERS b: 12 Jan 1966
2152 454 7--Marie WITHERS b: 12 Jan 1966
2152 455 7--Thomas Maxie Charles WITHERS b: 26 Feb 1967
2152 456 7--Damian George WITHERS b: 06 Jun 1968
m sp-Donna KEENE b: Ol Mar 1966
2152 4561 8--Paraiti Indiana WITHERS b: Og Mar 1985
2152 4562 8--Nganehu Withers KEENE b: 18 May 1992
2152 4563 8--Duwayne Richard WITHERS b: 16 Dec 1994
2152 457 7--Lena Ann Marie WITHERS b: 08 May 1970
m sp-Anthony KAUKAU b: 08 Dec 1970
2152 4571 8--Shikoni b: 23 Jan 1989
2152 458 7--Duane Richard WITHERS: O4.8.1972
2152 459 7--Richard WITHERS b: 19 Feb 1974
2152 46 6--Mere Karena WITHERS b: 21 Apr 1938
m1 sp-Rewa Robert MANSFIELD b: 15 Aug 1919
2152 461 7--Elaine Mere MANSFIELD b: 12 Dec 1951
m1 sp-Mason WILSON b: 1948
2152 4611 8--Ken Merlene MANSFIELD b: 18 Jan 1969 m sp-Martin WALKER
2152 4611 1 9--La Toya WALKER
2152 4611 2 9--Jaelene WALKER
2152 4611 3 9--Hotene WALKER
2152 4612 8--Hine Christina WILSON b: 13 Feb 1971
2152 4613 8--Rayleen Amo GRAEME b: 1972
2152 4614 8--Jacqueline WILSON b: 20 Sep 1973 m sp-John RICHARDT
2152 4614 9--Jacob Johnathon RICHARDT b: 19 Nov 1991
2152 4614 9--Tarrah Elaine RICHARDT b: 03 Apr 1993
2152 4614 9--Joshua Hiwi Edward RICHARDT b: 11 Sep 1995
2152 4615 8--Toni Rebecca WILSON b: 21 Jan 1975
[2152 461 7--Elaine Mere MANSFIELD b: 12 Dec 1951]
m2 sp-Michael John SMITH b: 31 Jan 1952
2152 4616 8--Marie Doris SMITH b: 27 Dec 1983
2152 4617 8--Sheree Wai SMITH b: 14 May 1986
2152 462 7--Charles TeKowhai MANSFIELD b: 30 Nov 1954 m sp-Maria WIGGINS
2152 4621 8--Alisia MANSFIELD
2152 4622 8--Dena MANSFIELD
2152 463 7--Mark William MANSFIELD b: O5 May 1956 m sp-Toni
2152 4631 8--Nathan MANSFIELD
2152 4632 8--Renee MANSFIELD
2152 4633 8--Joshua MANSFIELD
2152 4634 8--Israel MANSFIELD
2152 4635 8--Mark MANSFIELD
2152 464 7--Douglas George MANSFIELD b: 15 May 1957 m1 sp-Sandra FINNEY
2152 4641 8--Emma Jane MANSFIELD
[2152 464 7--Douglas George MANSFIELD b: 15 May 1957] m2 sp-Sharon
2152 4642 8--Charlotte MANSFIELD
2152 4643 8--Matthew MANSFIELD
2152 4644 8--George MANSFIELD b: 14 May 1996
2152 465 7--Anthony Robert MANSFIELD b: Oct 1960
2152 466 7--Stuart David MANSFIELD b: 24 Jun 1962
m sp-Gayle Helen CHERRY b: 31 Dec 1960
2152 4661 8--Jasmyn Brook MANSFIELD b: 03 May1986
2152 4662 8--Karla Sherry MANSFIELD b: 04 Sep 1987
2152 4663 8--Thomas Rewa Russel MANSFIELD b: 24 May 1990
2152 4664 8--Ellie Louise MANSFIELD b: 16 Jan1992
2152 467 7--Raewyn Catriona MANSFIELD b: 21 Jan 1969 m1 sp-Mark ROBERTS
2152 4671 8--Donnovan ROBERTS b: 29 Jan 1996
[2152 467 7--Raewyn Catriona MANSFIELD b: 21 Jan 1969]
m2 sp-Pin Win Tua KAHUI b: 17 Apr 1961 d: 26 Mar 1993
2152 4672 8--Cody Robert Dean MANSFIELD-KAHU b: 21 Oct 1986
2152 4673 8--Dion Charles Edward MANSFIELD-KAHU b: 22 Oct 1988
2152 468 7--Alena Colleen MANSFIELD b: 08 Jun 1970
m sp-TeHore WAINOHU b: 13 May 1965
2152 4681 8--Te Hore Rewai WAINOHU b: 13 Nov 1986
2152 4682 8--Te Rina Mana WAINOHU b: 21 Dec 1987
2152 4683 8--Daveda Mere WAINOHU b: 09 Jan 1990
2152 4684 8--Shanon-Rae WAINOHU b: 10 Oct 1991
2152 4685 8--Ocean Maria WAINOHU b: 25 Oct1994
2152 468 7--Alexander Anthony MANSFIELD b: OB Jun 1973
m sp-Sheree TEHUIA
2152 4681 8--Ashley MANSFIELD b: 30 Oct 1996
2152 47 6--Elizabeth Lena WITHERS b: 17 Mar 1942
m sp-Snowden HEKE b: 17 Feb 1941
2152 411 7--Hamish Andy HEKE b: 08 Jan 1966
2004: phantom_maori"at"hotmail.com First contact 4.3.2004.
2152 48 6--Dennis Manga WITHERS b: 21 Sep 1943 m sp-Ann TOKONA b: 20 Jan 1953
2152 481 7--Richard WITHERS b: 19 Feb 1974
m sp-Tahuri Era WAAKA b 27 Sep 1974
2152 4811 8--Punia WITHERS b 06 Jul 1993
2152 482 7--Denise WITHERS b O5 Jul 1980
2152 49 6--Kupa WITHERS b 18 Jan 1945 d 5.8.1999
m1 sp-Matiti Maraki Annie HENARE
2152 491 7--Thomas Kupa WITHERS b 20.11.1965
*2004: Dunlop Rd, Opotiki 3092 ph 07 315 5936 SOURCE OF BRANCH 2152+.
m sp-Merehura Christina DOUGLAS b 20.6.1961
2152 4911 8--Josephine Tewairahepere DOUGLAS b: Ol Dec 1980
2152 4912 8--Henare Rewi Tamati WITHERS b: 15 Feb 1988
2152 4913 8--Riki Rawiri Kewene Kupa WITHERS b: 28 Mar 1991
2152 4914 8--Piripi Tekahute Rangi WITHERS b: 20 Aug 1992
2152 4915 8--Tamati Antonia Ropata WITHERS b: 29 Jun 1995
[2152 49 6--Kupa WITHERS b 18 Jan 1945 d 5.8.1999]
m2 sp-Caroline Anne BRODY b: Ol Apr 1950
2152 492 7--Tania Elizabeth WITHERS b: 15 May 1974 m sp-Lee
2152 4921 8--Justice, 2152 4922 8--?
[2152 49 6--Kupa WITHERS b 18 Jan 1945 d 5.8.1999]
m3 sp-Jane Heni Riria PEENI b: 28 Aug 1956
2152 493 7--Aaron Stacy WITHERS b: 27 May 1984
2152 4(10) 6--Maadi Merlene WITHERS b: 17 Aug 1946
m1 sp-Andrew WHITE
2152 4(10)1 7--Fiona Michele Elizabeth WITHERS b: 09 Sep 1963
m sp-Rumatiki KerriganHAPE b: 30 Apr 1959
2152 4(10)11 8--Kahutia Patrick Anthony HAPE b: 25 Apr 1983
[2152 4(10) 6--Maadi Merlene WITHERS b: 17 Aug 1946]
m2 sp-Hune HEMOPO b: 23 May 1938
2152 4(10)2 7--Sarah-Lena HEMOPO b: 28 Sep 1964
m sp-Allen TEKOTUKU b: 26 Aug 1963
2152 4(10)21 8--Tiara Rea WILLIAMS b: O5 Jan 1983
2152 4(10)22 8--Cochise Te Wal Arama WILLIAMS b: 23 May 1984
2152 4(10)23 8--Cheyenne Shavaughan Te Kotuku WILLIAMS b: O3 Sep 1987
2152 4(10)24 8--Torian Morgan BROOKER b: Ol Apr 1994
2152 4(10)3 7--Maria Joseaphine HEMOPO b: 13 Nov1965
m sp-Colin Randal WATENE b: 17 Feb 1964
2152 4(10)31 8--Jamie Rikirangi WATENE b: 22 Aug 1984
2152 4(10)32 8--Darryl MatuaTiwai WATENE b: 18 Jul1986
2152 4(10)33 8--Colin Randal WATENE
2152 4(10)4 7--Mereana Glorian Rose HEMOPO b: OS Mar 1967
2152 4(10)5 7--Sunia-Usa HEMOPO b: 23 May 1968
2152 4(10)6 7--Alison Te Aroha HEMOPO b: 08 Oct 1969 m1 ?
2152 4(10)61 8--Stevie Ray Trinity HEMOPO b: 22 Jul 1996
[2152 4(10)6 7--Alison Te Aroha HEMOPO b: 08 Oct 1969]
m2 sp-Derek Wayne BRENCHLEY b: 27 Nov 1967
2152 4(10)62 8--Rikki Paul BRENCHLEY b: 25 Jun 1988
2152 4(10)63 8--Stephanie Kate BRENCHLEY b: 10 Jun1989
2152 4(10)7 7--Robina Bronwyn Therese HEMOPO b: 28 Aug 1973
2152 4(10)71 8--Kororia Rangimarie HEMOPO b: 10 Aug 1996
[2152 4(10) 6--Maadi Merlene WITHERS b: 17 Aug 1946]
m3 sp-Kennedy HEPI b: 28 Jun 1950
2152 4(10)8 7--Nicole Teresa HEPI b: 13 Nov 1974
m sp-Andre MIRATANA,
2152 4(10)81 8--Taniera MIRATANA
[2152 4(10) 6--Maadi Merlene WITHERS b: 17 Aug 1946]
m4 sp-Edgar Todd LAY
2152 4(11) 6--Te Aroha Colleen Thomas WITHERS b: 17 Mar 1948
m1 sp-Anaru Thomas WHATI d: 27 Sep 1996
2152 4(11)1 7--Anaru Thomas WHATI b: 02 Aug 1973
m sp-Lillian THOMPSON
2152 4(11)11 8--Chance Ihaka William WHATI
2152 4(11)12 8--Takotoraima Felisha Ma THOMPSON b: 31 May 1995
2152 4(11)2 7--Mark William WHATI b: 26 Jan 1979
m sp-Niomi KATUKE
2152 4(11)21 8--Te Anou Gion KATUKE
[2152 4(11) 6--Te Aroha Colleen Thomas WITHERS b: 17 Mar 1948]
m2 sp-Maurice HINDER
2152 4(11)3 7--Bubbin-Anzac Colleen b: 19 May 1985
2152 4(12) 6--Alice Ra WITHERS b: 29 Jul 1951
m1 sp-James Parahi MEASOM
2152 4(12)1 7--James Darren Rapa WITHERS b: 24 Sep 1969
[2152 4(12) 6--Alice Ra WITHERS b: 29 Jul 1951]
m2 sp-Hector Renata PIRERE b: 18 Jun1946
2152 4(12)2 7--Len Matua Ngahiwa PIRERE b: 31 Dec 1970
2152 4(12)21 8--Ben Brett Shilton WILLIAMS b: 24 Feb 1988
2152 4(12)3 7--Rawinia Carlene Charlotte PIRERE b: 25 Jan 1974
m1 sp-Edward Michael WILLIAMS b: 04 Feb 1973
2152 4(12)31 8--Saxon Renata Alicis WILLIAMS b: 16 Jul 1991
2152 4(12)32 8--Philleapae Davena PIRERE b: 11 Nov1992
[2152 4(12)3 7--Rawinia Carlene Charlotte PIRERE b: 25 Jan 1974]
m2 sp-Sulby Michael John TERANGI b: 11 Oct 1970
2152 4(12)33 8--Cheyenne Mihi Mere Peti WITHERS b: 08 Sep 1994
[2152 4(12)3 7--Rawinia Carlene Charlotte PIRERE b: 25 Jan 1974] m3 sp-?
2152 4(12)34 8--Aririu Rongotaua STRICKLAND b: 1996
2152 4(12)4 7--Indiana Davina Mary PIRERE b: 24 Nov 1976
m sp-Kawenata ARIKI
2152 4(12)41 8--Rikki Lee ARIKI b:10 Jan 1994
2152 4(12)42 8--Anahera Murray Grace HEKE b: 10 Feb 1996
2152 5 5--George Ray WITHERS b 6.3.1901
2152 6 5--Alf Paki WITHERS b 5.7.1903
2152 7 5--Grace Hinohotua WITHERS b 16.5.1908
2152 8 5--Ted Te Rangi WITHERS b 16.9.1908
2152 9 5--Joseph Gavin WITHERS b 16.12.1910
2153 4--Theobald WITHERS (1878) [d1881? check with LW]
2154 4--WITHERS
2155 4--(Wilson) Paki WITHERS (1878 Pauanui,Whangamata-1978) I met him in 1963
via Syd & Elna HUGHES of the Power Board. Died aged 100.
Wise's Post Office Directories:
1912 Puki WITHERS farmer at Omarumutu; 1927 Paki W WITHERS Opotiki. 1969
Electoral Roll: Stewart St, Opotiki, retired.
"Wilson WITHERS trooper in NZ Rough Riders 1900 (Port) NZRR p3".
LW sent me a photocopy of a photo taken 1900 age 21, written in Maori on the
back is "With love my heart is with God"; & 1 with his launch "the Rahema"
built by him in 1968 at age 89; & one of "the Tamahi" a 3 sail yacht Paki was
on that did the Auckland - East Coast run in the 1920s; and * a long article
with a photo of him after turning 98 "last May" (no date or newspaper name):
"Opotiki's Paki WITHERS carries memories of Boer War, White Island & Te
Kooti!" ... "I can still drive a car, meet & talk to people, but I've only
had enough education to write my name. ... I think I always looked on life
as a bit of an adventure & so I enjoyed every moment of it! I never expected
too much but I felt I would always get my share of the good things - & I
think I have!" ... fought as a colonial volunteer with a NZ mounted unit in
the Boer War...
`Of course we were in the mounted & looked pretty good in our
uniforms ...We left with the 4th Contingent about 500 of us taking our
horses with us. .. landed in Portugese E Africa, the Cape ports being too
crowded. From there, mainly by train, we made our way thru a lot of wild
country to Mafeking, which had just been relieved. It took us just on 3 weeks
to make that trip.' The seige & relief of Mafeking was 1 of the turning
points of the war, which from then on became a series of guerilla engagements,
but apparently there was still plenty for the NZers to do as Paki points out!
`The fighting went right across the country. My horse was shot & so I was
transferred to the horse artillery. Our guns were 15 pounders, & were
dragged by teams of 4 horses, 2 abreast. I was appointed gunner for I had no
horse of my own & simply rode one of the semi-draughts which pulled the gun.
At a place called Haatenzook we were fighting a mounted detachment of Boers
& I had my 1st real action.' It was touch-&-go fighting for the next 12
months, & the NZers became a 1st class mobile unit, ready & keen at all times.
... Back again in the Bay of Plenty & once more working on a sheep & cattle
station, Trooper Paki W, then in the prime of his life, began to make a name
for himself in athletics. ... In his prime he stood 6'3" & became well known
as an athlete ... He always held his own in the wrestling & chopping events
but says `I enjoyed best of all the more dangerous wrestling on horseback,
in which I was never beaten.' .. He travelled to all parts of the country to
compete at shows & race meetings & was an acknowledged champion.
... He lived & worked on White Island for some months (before the 1915
disaster which buried the workers without a trace except for) their black
cat. ... He took on farming his own property ... but could not make ends meet.
(After 3 yrs) he took on carpentry. `I ended up having built 52 houses up &
down the coast.' [Later he camped with his family 6 months on Whale Island as
foreman to organise supply of stone to Whakatane Harbour Board in 1917 for
training walls.
Did he ever see TE KOOTI, NZ's most famous rebel? `Yes of course I did! He
came on a visit to Opotiki when I was a young chap, after he had been pardoned
& was living at Ohiwa. He had plenty of horsemen with him as an escort...
He had no moko at all. He seemed a pretty short man to me, he was friendly..'
His last job was with the Opotiki Dairy Company as a carpenter for 12 years,
retiring at 88. When asked what he intended doing he sent his friends
reeling by saying quietly that he'd give boat-building a go! And that is
exactly what he did & regularly took his craft up & down the coast...
He has c200 descendants down to the 5th generation... He is Opotiki's GRAND
OLD MAN!"
Obituary 19.5.1978 .. died a few days after his 100th birthday, survived by his
95 yr old wife, 3 chn, 42 grchn, 116 grgrchn, 38 gggchn, a total of 199.
(How many of these do we have below??)
A prominent figure at the Opotiki centennial last year. At 99
last year he was the oldest driver in NZ. Granted the freedom of Opotiki
County by the OCC just before his 100th, the 1st person to be so honoured.
Who has the photo of him with photo of 1) his Boer War Medal & 4 clasps,
2) the Maori War medal of his father, 3) The Boer War medal of his brother T
WITHERS of the 5th Contingent? (Is this 2151 Thomas or 2153 Theobald?)
Those who served in New Zealand units in the Boer Wars can be checked at
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/SAW/Database.htm This gives him as
Reg No: 1477, Surname: WITHERS, Given Names: W, Contingent: fourth,
Unit: no 8 company, Ship: GYMERIC 31 March 1900, Rank: private
Occupation: farmer, Next of Kin: WITHERS Mr T, Relationship to Soldier: father
Next of Kin Address: same, County/City: Opotiki
m sp-"Mihi" Rahema Mihitaina TAIRUA (15.8.1880 Opotiki-1980/1981 Opotiki)
Herald Section 1 p9 15.8.1980. 102 (103) Port. Herald Section 1 p2 16.8.1982.
"Mihi WITHERS, married, Princess St, Opotiki" in 1972 Electoral Roll.
In 1987 LW gave her b date as 1878. LW sent me a copy of a photo of her with
their 3 youngest 21554 Isabelle Daisy, 21555 Grace, 21556 Philip c1920.
Also an article dated 14.8.1980 p1
"SHE IS 100 YEARS OLD TOMORROW ... Mrs Mihitania WITHERS .. at
her home in Pricess St, Opotiki .. remembers the 1886 Tarawera eruption:
"I was outside & everything was very dark & the grey dust was falling down
like rain." Mrs Paki as she was affectionately known was a familiar sight
riding her horse to tend her various (vegetable) plots of land around
Omarumutu & Waiaua. For some time now she has been living with her granddr
Mrs Elsie KREIGELSTEIN (21554 6) of Tokoroa...
Also an article from South Waikato News 1981 with photo of her holding a
meremere of her grandparents. She grew up on the land living in a wiwi - a
hut made of mud, bullrushes & flax. ... She owns a farm in Opotiki & it is
her wish that the farm stay in the family.
And an undated obituary.
"This is a photo of my great grand
parents Paki [2155] and Mihi Taina his wife, their daughter my grandmother
Edith KELLY [21551] and her daughter my mum Hema LINGMAN [21551 1], and her
daughter my sister Carol BORST [21551 12], and my niece Carol's daughter
Michelle [21551 121]. Five generations alive at the same time and all husbands
living when this was taken. Paki lived to 100 yrs and Mihi lived to 103. Good
strong Opotiki stock." - Courtesy of Janice TOMS [21551 15] & Shane LINGMAN;
27kb
2155 1 5--Edith WITHERS (1902-1969)
LW sent me a photocopy of photo of her c1920 with her adopted brother
2155 2 Jo WALKER.
m 1931 sp-"Jimmy" James KELLY (1883)
2155 11 6--Hema KELLY 2003: Te Awamutu.
m sp-Charles LINGMAN His family is at
http://groups.msn.com/TheLingmanFamilyCo
2155 111 7--Robert LINGMAN
m sp-Noeline STUBBING
2155 1111 8--Darryl LINGMAN
2155 1112 8--Angela LINGMAN
2155 112 7--Carolyn LINGMAN
m1 sp-John MORRIS
2155 1121 8--Michelle MORRIS-BORST
2155 1122 8--Wayne MORRIS-BORST
[2155 112 7--Carolyn "Carol" LINGMAN]:
m2 sp-Henk BORST
*2003: carolborst"at"hotmail.com She & Henk have a web site with photos at
http://groups.msn.com/HENKCAROLSFAMILYALBUM
HENKCAROLSFAMILYALBUM"at"groups.msn.com
2155 1123 8--Joanne BORST
2155 1124 8--Hayden BORST
2155 113 7--Kevin LINGMAN
m sp-Denise SCHEIB
2155 1131 8--Andrew LINGMAN
2155 1132 8--Kelly LINGMAN
2155 114 7--Michael LINGMAN
m sp-Vicky
2155 115 7--Janice LINGMAN ** stumpy"at"quicksilver.net.nz 2002
She is one of The Country Rhythm Trio
m sp-Barry TOMS
2155 1151 8--Jason TOMS
2155 116 7--John LINGMAN
2155 117 7--Shane LINGMAN chainsaw.te.awa"at"ihug.co.nz 2003 shane01"at"ihug.co.nz 2004. He has web sites
http://groups.msn.com/KELLYWITHERS/_whatsnew.msnw?pgmarket=en-us
(click on join now top LHS) dedicated to KELLY, WITHERS, LINGMAN and links to
other family sites. We have a large body of photos and paper
clippings to share with those interested in the genealogy of these
families. -Janice TOMS.
These photos include newspaper articles on Paki [2155] & his wife Mihi.
See also http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/shane01 2004
2155 12 6--James KELLY
m sp-Ella WILKINSON nee LEVIER
2155 121 7--Todd KELLY
2155 122 7--Deryl KELLY
2155 13 6--Edith KELLY
m sp--James RICHARDSON
2155 131 7--"Jimmy" James RICHARDSON
*2003: Opotiki jim1"at"ihug.co.nz ph 07 315 5411.
2155 132 7--Derna RICHARDSON * Hamilton
* 2002: tel 07 843 7279
m sp-Clive STOCKMAN Clive stayed with me a short while c1980.
2155 1321 8--Rachael STOCKMAN
2155 1322 8--Aaron STOCKMAN
2155 133 7--Athol RICHARDSON
2155 134 7--Veronica RICHARDSON
m sp-Walter TANERA
2155 1341 8--Donovan TANERA
2155 1342 8--Mercia TANERA
2155 1343 8--Edith TANERA
2155 1344 8--Kathleen TANERA
2155 135 7--Geraldine RICHARDSON
m sp-Richard JEFFERY
2155 136 7--Brendon RICHARDSON
2155 137 7--Earnest RICHARDSON Died young.
2155 138 7--Mercia RICHARDSON Died young.
2155 14 6--John KELLY
m sp-Clare ROSS
2155 141 7--Colleen KELLY
m sp-James EDWARDS (He is 2 of 1. in
http://www.oocities.org/kitpaku/paku/edwards.html yet to be released.)
2155 142 7--Ralph KELLY
2155 143 7--Sean KELLY
2155 144 7--Maureen KELLY
2155 15 6--Wilson KELLY
m sp-Elaine ROSS
2155 151 7--Philip KELLY
m sp-Penny TE BRAKE
2155 1511 8--Jacob KELLY
2155 1512 8--Travis KELLY
2155 1513 8--Logan KELLY
2155 152 7--Leslie KELLY
m sp-Paul DICKSON
2155 1521 8--Wilson DICKSON
2155 1522 8--Nicola DICKSON
2155 153 7--Peter KELLY
m sp-Diedre
2155 154 7--Ngaio KELLY
m sp-Paki TE WHENUA
2155 1541 8--Angela TE WHENUA
2155 155 7--Ronnie KELLY
2155 156 7--Aden KELLY
m sp-Janice TOZER nee MCKENZIE Her children by TOZER are Amanda,
Stacy & Genna.
2155 1561 8--Duran KELLY
2155 16 6--Josephine KELLY
m sp-Don RIESTERER
2155 161 7--Graeme RIESTERER
m sp-Colleen FOGERTY
2155 1611 8--Jared RIESTERER
2155 1612 8--Donald RIESTERER
2155 1613 8--Graeme RIESTERER
2155 162 7--Brian RIESTERER
m sp-Suzanne ASHFORD
2155 1621 8--Bevan RIESTERER
2155 163 7--Lynette RIESTERER
2155 17 6--Muriel KELLY
m sp-Jeff SMITH
2155 171 7--Lyndal SMITH
2155 172 7--Gina SMITH
2155 173 7--Brent SMITH
2155 174 7--Kelly SMITH
2155 175 7--Mercia SMITH
2155 176 7--Keith SMITH
2155 177 7--Shannon SMITH
2155 2 5--Joseph WALKER adopted. Dead by 1980.
m sp-Tangi MATCHETT
2155 21 6--E Marcia WALKER
*1999: tel 07 315 5352, Opape Beach Rd., Opotiki (near Whakatoia Marae)
m sp-Des TUTBURY (-by 1999)
2155 211 7--Denis G TUTBURY
*1999: tel 07 348 8114, 30 Joanne Cres., Rotorua.
m sp-Margaret LANDER
2155 2111 8--Gina TUTBURY
2155 2112 8--Peter TUTBURY
*1999: try PL tel 07 855 2844, 39 Rutherford St, Hamilton.
2155 2113 8--Joseph TUTBURY
2155 2114 8--David TUTBURY
*1999: try tel 07 347 2503, 33 Corlett St., Rotorua.
2155 212 7--Colin TUTBURY
*1999: 7 Bitten Place, Henderson, Auckland
m sp-Anne MORRIS
2155 2121 8--Lee TUTBURY
2155 2122 8--Kiri TUTBURY
2155 2123 8--Michelle TUTBURY
*1999: tel 09 938 0073
2155 213 7--Alan TUTBURY
m sp-Trudy SELWYN
2155 2131 8--Saana TUTBURY
2155 2132 8--Pipi TUTBURY
2155 214 7--Glenda TUTBURY
*1999: tel 07 308 7477
m sp-Grant STEWART
2155 2141 8--Cody STEWART
2155 2142 8--Leon STEWART
2155 2143 8--Rawiri STEWART
2155 215 7--Stafford TUTBURY
2155 22 6--Joseph WALKER
m1 sp-Judy WIFFEN
m2 sp-Piki TOWLER
2155 221 7--Deena WALKER
2155 222 7--Karin WALKER
2155 23 6--Margaret WALKER
m sp-Robert PENNEL
2155 231 7--Ivan PENNEL
m sp-Kim KAWENGA
2155 2311 8--Rosemary WALKER
2155 232 7--Charmaine PENNEL
m sp-Robin PHILIPS
2155 2321 8--Jacqueline PHILIPS
2155 24 6--Kathleen WALKER
m sp-Frank O'BRIEN
2155 241 7--Colleen O'BRIEN
2155 242 7--Leslie O'BRIEN
2155 243 7--Terrence O'BRIEN
2155 244 7--Patrick O'BRIEN
2155 245 7--Trevor O'BRIEN
m sp-Murray AMBROSE
2155 25 6--Patrick WALKER
m1 sp-Peggy SHAW
2155 251 7--Marylen WALKER
m sp-Len PARAKURA
2155 2511 8--Quentin PARAKURA
2155 2512 8--Selina PARAKURA
2155 252 7--Langley WALKER
2155 253 7--Monica WALKER
m sp-Robert BOYNTON
[2155 25 6--Patrick WALKER]:
m sp-Gwen THOMPSON
2155 254 7--Kathleen WALKER
2155 255 7--Raeleen WALKER
2155 256 7--Tracy WALKER
2155 257 7--Steven WALKER
2155 26 6--Emily WALKER
m sp-Ray ALABASTER
2155 261 7--Eugene ALABASTER
2155 27 6--Puhi WALKER
m sp-Sean GALLAGHER
2155 271 7--Creanna GALLAGHER
2155 272 7--Denise GALLAGHER
2155 273 7--Siobhan WALKER
2155 274 7--Liam WALKER
2155 275 7--Lance WALKER
2155 28 6--Pani WALKER
m sp-George HOPA
2155 281 7--Carolyn HOPA
2155 282 7--Parani HOPA
2155 3 5--John BELMONT adopted. Dead by 1980.
m1 sp-Millicent TAIA
2155 31 6--Marama BELMONT
m1 sp-Tom COLLIER
2155 311 7--Winnie COLLIER
2155 312 7--Cyril COLLIER
[2155 31 6--Marama BELMONT]:
m2 unknown
2155 32 6--Louie WITHERS
2155 33 6--Miriama WITHERS
[2155 3 5--John BELMONT]:
m2 sp-Mattie RUA
2155 4 5--Isabelle Daisy Pohutu WITHERS Dead by 1980.
m sp-Sidney Hurley WATERSON Is this "Speedy"?
2155 41 6--Thomas WATERSON (1932-1953) No issue.
2155 42 6--Grace WATERSON
m sp-Tony KEMARA
2155 421 7--Max KEMARA
m sp-Edith NGAMOKI
2155 4211 8--Sharna KEMARA
2155 4212 8--Dawn KEMARA
2155 4213 8--Maxie KEMARA
2155 422 7--Christine KEMARA
m sp-James MAHAKI
2155 4221 8--Morgan MAHAKI
2155 4222 8--Teni MAHAKI
2155 4223 8--Ananui MAHAKI
2155 423 7--Tony KEMARA Died young.
2155 424 7--Ronald KEMARA
2155 425 7--John KEMARA
m sp-Lex THOMAS
2155 4251 8--Tania KEMARA
2155 426 7--Lorraine KEMARA
2155 4261 8--Natasha
2155 427 7--Glenn KEMARA
2155 43 6--Isobel WATERSON
m sp-Philip CHAPPEL
2155 431 7--Hazel CHAPPEL
m sp-John HICKLING
2155 4311 8--Joanne HICKLING
2155 4312 8--Craig HICKLING
2155 4313 8--David HICKLING
2155 432 7--Christine CHAPPEL
2155 433 7--Catherine CHAPPEL
2155 44 6--Nethia WATERSON
m sp-Thomas MORGAN
2155 441 7--Katherine MORGAN
m sp-Terry BECKETT
2155 4411 8--Melissa BECKETT
2155 442 7--James MORGAN
2155 443 7--Cheryl MORGAN
m sp-Perry NOHI
2155 4431 8--Damien NOHI Twin.
2155 4432 8--Leigh NOHI Twin.
2155 4433 8--Rangimoana NOHI
2155 444 7--Wayne MORGAN
2155 45 6--Kevin WATERSON Died young. (See below for his brother (14) Kevin.)
2155 46 6--Elsie WATERSON
*1980: Carrington Crescent, Tokoroa
m sp-Kurt KRIEGELSTEIN
2155 47 6--Teresa WATERSON
m sp-Jack MAXWELL
2155 471 7--Michael MAXWELL
2155 472 7--Edna MAXWELL
m sp-Harry CLAY
2155 473 7--Turner MAXWELL
2155 474 7--Peter MAXWELL
2155 475 7--Jacqueline MAXWELL
2155 476 7--Henry MAXWELL Died young.
2155 48 6--Elizabeth WATERSON
m1 sp-Fred TE RIRE
2155 481 7--Karen TE RIRE
m sp-Kingi TURNBULL
2155 4811 8--Kingi TURNBULL
2155 4812 8--Atareta TURNBULL
2155 482 7--John TE RIRE
2155 483 7--Louise TE RIRE
m sp-Peter RANSFIELD
2155 4831 8--Lee RANSFIELD
2155 4832 8--Paru RANSFIELD
[2155 48 6--Elizabeth WATERSON]:
m2 sp-John GREEN
2155 484 7--Tania GREEN
m sp-Rangi HOHEPA
2155 4841 8--Shane HOHEPA
2155 485 7--Kevin GREEN
2155 486 7--Richard GREEN
2155 49 6--Michael WATERSON
m sp-Desma TAKIMOANA
2155 491 7--Jason WATERSON
2155 492 7--Joshua WATERSON
2155 493 7--Jolene WATERSON
2155 494 7--Jerome WATERSON
2155 4(10) 6--Catherine WATERSON
m sp-James WINIATA
2155 4(10)1 7--James WINIATA
2155 4(10)2 7--Dean WINIATA
2155 4(10)3 7--Aaron WINIATA
2155 4(10)4 7--Luana WINIATA
2155 4(11) 6--Donna WATERSON
m sp-Randell PARSONS
2155 4(11)1 7--Gareth PARSONS
2155 4(11)2 7--Naiden PARSONS
2155 4(12) 6--Anne WATERSON
m sp-Jock Barry COLLIER
2155 4(12)1 7--Shane COLLIER
2155 4(12)2 7--Raymond COLLIER
2155 4(13) 6--Alice WATERSON
m sp-John ORMSBY
2155 4(13)1 7--Teresa ORMSBY
2155 4(13)2 7--Turner ORMSBY
2155 4(14) 6--Kevin WATERSON
m sp-Vicky WATENE
2155 4(14)1 7--Justine WATERSON
2155 4(14)2 7--Hurley WATERSON
2155 4(14)3 7--Ngaio WATERSON
2155 4(14)4 7--Kevin WATERSON
2155 4(15) 6--Moana WATERSON
2155 5 5--Grace WITHERS (1916)
m sp-Neil WEBB
2155 51 6--Neil WEBB
m sp-Alura HATLEY
*1981: Christchurch
2155 511 7--Virginia WEBB
2155 512 7--Natalia WEBB
2155 52 6--Beverley WEBB
m sp-Sidney LEABOURNE
*1981: Whakatane
2155 521 7--Wayne LEABOURNE
2155 522 7--Mark LEABOURNE
2155 523 7--Paul LEABOURNE
2155 524 7--Ailena LEABOURNE
2155 53 6--Rahema WEBB
m sp-Basil TYRE/TRYE
*1981: Brisbane
2155 531 7--Criena Marie TYRE
2155 54 6--Beryl WEBB
m1 sp-Michael MCCLURE
2155 541 7--Fiona MCCLURE
2155 542 7--Candis MCCLURE
2155 543 7--Gary MCCLURE
[2155 54 6--Beryl WEBB]:
m2 sp-Glen JONES No issue.
*1981: Pauanui.
2155 55 6--Criena/Creina WEBB
m sp-Reg TAIA
*1981: Papakura
2155 551 7--Jacqueline TAIA
2155 552 7--George TAIA
2155 56 6--Noel WEBB Died young.
2155 57 6--Patricia WEBB Died young.
2155 58 6--Maureen WEBB
m sp-Denis CUNNINGHAM/CUNNINGHAME
*1981: Canada
2155 581 7--Brad CUNNINGHAM
2155 59 6--Thomas WEBB Died young. Twin.
2155 5(10) 6--Charles WEBB Twin.
m sp-Patrice GILCHRIST
*1981: Whakatane
2155 5(10)1 7--Karl WEBB
2155 5(10)2 7--Sasha WEBB
2155 5(11) 6--Robert WEBB
m sp-Shirley POWELL
*1981: Canada
2155 5(11)1 7--Nicola WEBB-341
2155 6 5--Philip (Bill) WITHERS (1918)
1972 Electoral Roll: Philip WITHERS Church St, Opotiki, truckdriver.
m1 sp-Kuini RICHMOND (1917-1962)
2155 61 6--(Rongomai) Philip WITHERS (1941)
m sp-Heather Rowena CAIRNS 1946 2 children
2155 611 7--Phillip (Roy) WITHERS 1964 loyal005"at"slingshot.co.nz
1st contact 3.3.2007
#Source of branch 2155 61.
2155 6111 8--Fay Heather Aneta WITHERS 1994
2155 612 7--Carolyn (Lesley) WITHERS 1966
2155 6121 8--Caroline WITHERS (Bonnie?)
2155 6122 8--Zivarna TAWHAI
2155 6123 8--Kahurangi TAWHAI
2155 6124 8--Philip TAWHAI
2155 6125 8--James Ruamano KARAUNA 2000
2155 6126 8--Horiana KARAUNA 2002
2155 62 6--Louise WITHERS (1953)
*2004: 72 Matchitts Rd, Opotiki 3092
tel work 07 315 6220 fax 07 315 6221
Physical address: 137 Matchitts Rd, Opotiki.
Parents: Bill & Florrie WITHERS, Opotiki, tel 07 315 6029.
Louise is the expert on this family. She put a copy of her research with the
Whakatane Libary & may have put another with the Turnbull or National
Libraries.
m sp-Roy A. WHITE (1952)
2155 621 7--Natasha Inez WHITE (1977) Partner Michael O'REGAN
2155 6211 8--Domanic O'REGAN
2155 6212 8--Shanid O'REGAN
2155 6213 8-- O'REGAN due .1.2008
2155 622 7--Terressa "Tessa" Donelle WHITE ( 27/12/1977 Featherston)
# 2004: deeppits2003"at"yahoo.co.nz
2007 tessa"at"reconx.net.nz
partner Jamie MANUKAU from Huntly (Taninui).
2155 6221 8--Kiean WHITE-STOWELL 1996 (Kora whanau from Whakatane)
2155 6222 8--Witara MANUKAU 2004
2155 6223 8--Ngaresha-Imea MANUKAU 2005
[215 3--Captain Thomas WITHERS (1846)]
m2 sp-Lucy MOREL LW has a Xmas card sent them in 1902 by "Bella & Alf" [218].
..........................................................................
216 3--Edward "Ted" WITHERS (24.1.1850 Wellington-15.6.1914 Invercargill) I
have his death cert.: accountant age 64 of TB 3 years; buried 17.6.1914 at
Andersons Bay Cemetery, Dunedin. (WM gives d in 72 Manor Place, Dunedin.) He
managed BNZ in Timaru then went into commerce in Dunedin in 1901. Bob W says he
managed the Colonial Bank,Napier. Bible of 218 gives d 14.6.1914. His fr left
him 40 acres & the silver cup presented him by the Officers of the 65th Regt.
This is from a photo of him c20 held at the Napier
Library Museum - ex LW via Bob W.
This photo of him "Ted WITHERS as a young man" is
from the album of 218 via Bob W. 5kb
m 12.8.1886 Weslyan Church,Christchurch sp-"Aggie" [or "Milly"?] Agnes Mildred
HALL (b 1851/1853 Hull, England d 3.1.1919 Invercargill) Her m2. 4 chn.
#She is 11 at 3.: see there for more.
This photo of her "Milly, his wife" next to the
previous photo, is from the album of 218 via Bob W. 3 kb
As is this one. 2 kb
CHECK: if they refer
to Milly they are likely to be 46 2-Mildred HALL of 3.
Agnes lived in Dunedin in 1917: referred to as Agnes in card under 2182 Maud .
By her m1 she had 6 children including Queenie.
This photo of "their children" from the album of
218 via Bob W is probably of their eldest 3. 8 kb
## This branch is mainly thanks to WM Wendy MORTON daisymort"at"paradise.net.nz
wendy.morton"at"thornlight.co.nz 2004 [2161 31 below]
2161 4--Aimee Mildred WITHERS (10.9.1886 Montreal Street, Christchurch
-15.4.1956, Vincent Place, Opawa, Christchurch)
This photo of her is from the album of 218 via Bob
W. 6 kb
# Aimee's grandchildren had a family gathering 3-5.9.2004 in
the HALL family homestead at Terrace Station, Hororata, Christchurch.
- katefoster"at"xtra.co.nz phone 03 318 0756 fax 03 318 0662
& Wendy MORTON daisymort"at"paradise.net.nz
m1 26.9.1910 in St John's Church, Roslyn, Dunedin sp-David Stewart MORTON
(8.2.1880 Invercargill-21.9.1920 Gala Street, Invercargill) son of John MORTON
and Janet STEWART.
2161 1 5--Ethel Mildred MORTON (6.8.1911 Invercargill-24.6.1979 Christchurch)
This photo of her c2 titled "Aimee's eldest girl"
is from the album of 218 via Bob.
m c1934 Christchurch sp-Edward Harold Harvey TAYLOR (20.11.1899 Dunedin
-30.3.1985 Christchurch)
# Family withheld pending permission.
2161 2 5--Irene Stewart MORTON (c1913 Invercargill-10.5.1963 Christchurch)
m c1935 in Christchurch sp-Geoffrey Charles DAWE (15.8.1906 Christchurch
-18.7.1968 Christchurch) son of Charles DAWE and Ida GARWOOD.
# Family withheld pending permission.
2161 3 5--John Edward Stewart MORTON (11.6.1915 Invercargill-9.9.1974
Christchurch)
m 2.11.1943 Cairo, Egypt sp-Ivy Priscilla BRIGGS (7.4.1920 Pretoria, South
Africa) daughter of FREDERICK BRIGGS and ELSIE VAN STADEN.
2161 31 6--Wendy Ann MORTON b 12 May 1945 Bealey Avenue, Christchurch
# main source of branch 216 daisymort"at"paradise.net.nz
wendy.morton"at"thornlight.co.nz 2004
# Sibs & Family withheld pending permission.
2161 4 5--Clare Agnes MORTON (12.6.1917 Invercargill-7.6.2001 Nursing Home,
Riccarton, Christchurch)
m .5.1943 in St Marks Church, Opawa, Christchurch sp-Ian Douglas BELL
b 16.6.1915 Christchurch, son of Charles BELL and Charlotte BATES.
# Family withheld pending permission.
[2161 4--Aimee Mildred WITHERS (10.9.1886 Christchurch-15.4.1956 Opawa)]
m2 13.10.1921 St Marks Church, Opawa, Christchurch sp-Basil Brooke IRWIN
(c1888 Dunedin-c1970 Christchurch)
2161 5 5--Edward Basil Brooke IRWIN (27.2.1923 Christchurch-25.4.2001
Christchurch General Hospital, Christchurch)
m sp-Dorothy
# Family withheld pending permission.
2162 4--Maud WITHERS (1887) Birth date ex d cert. above. BUT cf 2182 below!
Not in tree of WM.
2163 4--Ethel WITHERS (1888 Adelaide, Australia-15.9.1911 Dunedin) She had
spina bifida.
This photo of her is from the album of
218 via Bob W. 5 kb
2164 4--Irene WITHERS (4.9.1891 Adelaide, Australia-20.11.1912 Hong Kong) d of
dengue fever.
This photo of her is from the album
of 218 via Bob W. 2 kb
m sp-Harold PEARCE b & d in Oz
2164 1 5--Molly PEARCE bc1912
2165 4--Peter WITHERS b. Aft. 4 September 1891. Died young.
..........................................................................
217 3--Elizabeth Ann "Lizzie" WITHERS (-4.2.1915 at 1058 East Salmon St,
Portland, Oregon, USA) Her fr's will appears to name his chn in order putting
her AFTER 218 Alfred George WITHERS b1854 below.
D. info is ex bible of 218: it says she was the Major's youngest dr.
"Elizabeth Ann Hall. youngest daughter of Major E. Withers died Feby 4th. 1915
at Portland (1058 East Salfuon [Salmon?] St) Oregon U.S.A." - ex Bob ex
Madeleine CATON ex family bible of Alfred George and Isabella WITHERS.
Her fr left her 40 acres & the cask presented him by the Napier Rifle
Volunteers.
m sp-John "Jack" HALL of Christchurch nephew of Sir John HALL Premier of NZ.
They moved to USA. #He is 23 at 3. See there for a photo of their family &
issue. See under under 2182 Maud for 2 of his 1917 postcards to her from
Portland, Oregon.
..........................................................................
218 3--Alfred George WITHERS (14.4.1854 Wellington-14.2.1916 Wellington)
Armed Constabulary Records ex LW:
1.7.1872 appointed to Regt 1837; 8.7.1872 sworn in; took his discharge in 1879
in Taranaki; served for a 2nd period 1881-1911.
1889 -a Bombadier WITHERS was in charge of Fort Kelburn, Wellington - see under
his father above.
1898 birth cert of son 2188 gives him as Sergeant, Permanent Militia, residing
at "Fort Kelburne, Ngahauranga". (For its location at Ngauranga Gorge
see http://www.oocities.org/kelburn.geo/map.html See
http://www.oocities.org/kelburn.geo/fortkelburne.html for its layout/history
"The fort was destroyed in the 1960s to make way for the Ngauranga interchange.
Built to the Tudor-Boddam style, a similar fort can be seen in Auckland (Fort
Takapuna)" ex http://www.oocities.org/kelburn.geo/remains.html
For photos etc of Fort Takapuna see
http://www.dreamwater.net/nzforts/options.htm
These remarkable sites were put together by 22 year old Michael BIGGS
emails coastal_defences"at"hotmail.com nzforts"at"hotmail.com 2003. He notes
"the book Defending NZ: Ramparts on the Sea 1840-1950s by Peter COOKE
Publisher:Wellington, Defence of New Zealand Study Group, [2002]
has got a .. contour map of the area, and shows .. exactly where it was sited
..on the cliffs". See
http://riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/dgun/ for 2 of its 6" guns now at the Army Museum.)
1902 NORTH ISLAND ELECTORAL ROLL:VOLUME 2 (reel 225):WAITEMATA Devonport:
Alfred George sergeant PF, Isabella Louisa domestic duties
ex 10. of ../withersnz/withersnzother.html
Wise's PO Directories ex 7. of ../withersnz/withersnzother.html:
1903 p48 Sergt Alfred, Cameron St, Devonport, Auckland
1908 p1671 Alfred George, Sergeant Major RNZA 52a Wright St Wellington;
1917 at 34 Ohiro Rd
His medal "For meritorious service - No 156 Sergt Alfred Geo WITHERS No 1 Corp
NZ PTM" with Queen Victoria's profile is now held by his grandson Bob WITHERS
2188 1 below. Drill instructor in Wellington according to CW nee HARDING.
Marjorie has a gold pin in the shape of a kiwi engraved "17 Reinforcements NZ
R8-59" of his & a sharpshooter medal showing a kneeling soldier holding a
rifle; on the rim: #156 Sgt AG WITHERS #1 Ser Co NZPM; on the back: 71 points
best shot Wellington Dist. According to his death cert he died a captain from
34 Ohiro Rd, Brooklyn; son of Major Edwd WITHERS & Eliz. nee ANDERSON;
spiritualist; cremated 16.2.1916 & ashes buried 5.6.1916. (Grandson Bob W does
not believe he was commissioned a captain as there is no mention of this in his
military records.)
Barbara has a picture of him in the Military.
Buried in Area 2 Block A Row 19 Plot 8 in Karori Cemetery, Wellington "ILMO
Bessie WITHERS d 22 Jan 1913 a 19, Alfred G WITHERS d 12 Feb 1916 a 63. Also
little Willie" [ex National Library ex NZSG CD with Karori Cemetery].
Bessie & Willie are 2186 & 21842 below. Wellington CC Cem'y Mngt Plot Summary:
Plot Karori 58 O PUBLIC2 Deed Reg No 339W purchased 12.5.1916 by Isabella L
WITHERS, 34 Ohiro Road:
(1) Bessie WITHERS tailoress of 29 Cleveland St age 18, 23.1.1913
(2) Baby [Willie] CATON age 0, 18.5.1914
(3) Alfred George WITHERS age 0 [sic] cremated remains, 5.6.1916
Enclosed by a wall; inscription WITHERS. The grave is in Row O (one of the
bottom rows above the playing fields) between graves for MILLER & MILFORD.
SMITH is a corner grave.
This photo of him at his desk in uniform was held
by LW in 1987 - this copy ex Bob W.
"Dad & fellow NCOs, Auckland 1904" ex Bella's album
via Bob W.
"Dad & his cadet team - Petone School, Wellington,NZ" ex album of 218 via Bob W.
These 4 photos of his
spectacular funeral procession are from the album of his daughter Maud (now
with her dr Marjorie) via Bob W.
Lower L & Upper R facades: Duncan Macintosh, James Bell, J Fanning estate
agents, Empire billiard saloon - Manners St;
Lower R facades: Hawkes Bay Fruit Co, Hotel Bristol - Cuba St. (the hotel was
on the corner of Ghuznee); 38kb
Here is his gravestone with Bessie & Willie in
Wellington taken by Bob 2004.
Here is a letter he wrote 1914 in an effort to enlist,
typed by Bob W.
Here is his home at 34 Ohiro Rd, Wellington taken
by Bob 2004.
His fr left him 52 acres, 2 marinets & his NZ Medal.
m 23.7.1879 Wesleyan Church, Carlyle, Patea sp-Isabella Louisa BLANDFORD
(5.4.1859 Napier-1949 Los Angeles) Their b & m dates & places are from their
family bible - now held by Madeleine CATON; Bob sent me copies of the entries;
referred to below as bible of 218. Her album includes a shot of a Nellie
BLANDFORD.
"Mother" - from her album via Bob.
The family register pages were removed from the bible of Alfred George and
Isabella WITHERS. They are now held by Madeleine CATON, widow of 2184 1 Jack
CATON. The family story is that Isabella removed the pages from the bible when
she was preparing to move to the U.S. at the end of WWI. She lived with Beryl
until her death.
Alfred & Bella's photo album was inherited by Bob's father, then by Bob.
"Dad [218] & myself (ie Bella), Billy [2189?] &
Beryl [2184], Miss DARKIN & Mr & Mrs FUTTER - picnicking at Ngahauranga 1915"
- from this album via Bob.
This photo taken c1892 (held by LW 1987) shows
his family :
rear -5 Connie -4 Beryl -2 Maude -7 Edward
front row 218 Alfred, wife Bella, -5 Bessie; sitting in front -8 Alfred.
LW has a Xmas card sent in 1902 to them "Bella & Alf" from "Lucy & Tom" [215].
This photo taken 1922 in Santa Monica shows:
Top Row: Alfred J WITHERS 2188, Isabella L WITHERS 218-sp, Maud CALLISTER 2182,
friend Oscar WILLETS, friend Mrs Aline MILLS, Billy CATON 2184-sp;
Middle Row: Beryl CATON 2184, Connie WITHERS 2185, Edward O WITHERS 2187;
Bottom Row: Mary Eva WITHERS sp of 2188, Peggy WITHERS sp of 2187, Muriel MILLS
, Jack CATON 21841, Marjorie CALLISTER 21821. from Bob W. 16 kb
This photo taken c1930 in front of home
built by AJ WITHERS 2188 in Hollywood shows L to R: Mary WITHERS sp of 2188,
Maud CALLISTER 2182, Isabella WITHERS sp of 218, Beryl CATON 2184, Kathleen
WARREN 21831, & friend Clyte BROWN. ex Bob W 16 kb
This photo taken 1945 shows L to R
Isabella L WITHERS 218-sp, Bob WITHERS 21881 in US Navy uniform, Jane WITHERS
2nd wife of 2188; in front Beryl CATON 2184. from Bob W. 11 kb
2181 4--May Elizabeth WITHERS (10.5.1880-25.12.1880) Accidentally scalded to
death. b & d dates in bible of 218.
2182 4--Maud Lily Isabelle WITHERS (21.10.1881 Lower Hutt, Wellington-1970s)
b & m info ex bible of 218.
Louise has a postcard stamped 23.4.1917 to "Mrs Thomas CALLISTER, 1548 E 55th
St, Los Angeles, California" from John HALL (sp of 217 & 23 in 3. below):
"Dear Maud,
Your postcard photos told us you were all well & no mistake about the baby &
yourself. I sent that one on to Grave after all the cousins here had seen &
admired it. Am very busy just now getting a lot of NZ flax seed (10 acres)
planted for the Oregon & Utah Sugar Co. at Grafs Pass, & flax & Australian
wattle for the State of Salem, but will be through next week when I'll try &
get my correspondence up to date. All well here. Kathleen CARMICHAEL [21(12)] ,
Aunt Lizzie's [217] stepsister, is down from Victoria for a few days with
Ted. Old Mrs WITHERS [Fanny nee BATHAM 21 m3] is out in NZ again looking after
her monetary investments there. Is going on for 80 years of age. One of Aunt
Mary's [214] sons, Major Frank GREATWOOD [2141], after being wounded twice, &
returning to the front, has had his left arm shot clean off. One of Grace's
brothers-in-law, Gerald DE LEGH, just been killed. One of my own nephews, I
think, just been killed in a navy fight. Have your brothers been sent away yet?
Love to your mother when you write & also to your husband - not forgetting
yourself & the pickaninny. - J HALL" My copy is from Bob W.
John HALL is 23 on the HALL tree at 3.
Here is a view of the card. 15kb
LW has a 2nd card to Maud at same address from John HALL, sp of 217, ex
Portland, Oregon dated 23.7.1917:
"I forgot you asked Aunt Mary's address for Tom WITHERS. It is:
Mrs Colonel H GREATWOOD, Festing Rd, Southsea, England.
Is he (Tom) still living on Great Barrier Island? ... With one son killed, 3
more on the fighting line, Fred [2144] on the way & the remaining one (Arthur
[2145]) in the Mounted Police in Natal, she is very lonesome but writes that
she does not regret their sevices or even lives being given to the Empire if
necessary so long as the final result is all that we are fighting for. ... I
have not heard from my cousin Agnes WITHERS [Agnes Mildred nee HALL sp of
Edward 216] for some time & am getting rather anxious about her. Have you had any late news of her thru your mother? She was living all alone in Dunedin when last she wrote & seemed to be a great sufferer from Asthma - JH."
Bob's album of 218 has photos of her and her home at East 56th St, Los Angeles.
Here is one: "Maud & Tom"
And another: "Maud in her garden, Los Angeles"
m 26.6.1891 at the Unitarian Church, Wellington by Rev. JELLIE sp-Thomas
CALLISTER 5th son of Humfrey CALLISTER of Carterton,NZ; ex bible of 218.
In 1917 they were living in Los Angeles, California.
This photo taken 1930 at a picnic at
the Santa Ana River shows L to R:
Top Row: Alfred J WITHERS 2188, Peggy WITHERS sp of 2187, Marjorie CALLISTER
21821, William KEWISH sp of 2183, Ted WITHERS 2187; in water: Donald WITHERS
21871, Jack CATON 21841. From Bob W. 14 kb
2182 1 5--Marjorie CALLISTER (1917)
*2003: San Marcos, California
m sp-COOPER
2183 4--Kate "Kitty" Louisa WITHERS (29.10.1883 Arthur St,Wellington-c1962
Devonport?) b & m info ex bible of 218.
She sent a postcard from Devonport in 1913 to 215 Capt Thomas WITHERS addressed
to Mr Withers, Ohupu, Great Barrier Island - held by LW in 1987. Mrs Neil
WEBB 2155 5? & her father Paki 2155 stayed with her "his cousin" c1921 in
Auckland. She had red hair & freckles. So LW wrote to Devonport Naval Base who
suggested the Harbour Board who passed on her letter to Devonport historian
Paul TITCHENER (27 Norwood Rd,Bayswater, Auckland in 1987) who gave her the
address of 21841! Visited by Bob 2188 1 below in 1943 at Darby St, Devonport.
This photo of her & son Will as a baby is from the
album of 218 via Bob W
m 4.10.1900 Devonport, Auckland sp-Captain William Quayle KEWISH of the Royal
NZ Artillery
This photo of Capt KEWISH is from album of 218
via Bob.
This photo taken 1948 in Hollywood shows L to
R: Bella KEWISH 21832, Kathleen WARREN 21831, Kate KEWISH 2183. from Bob W.
9 kb
His brother John Henry KEWISH b 1876 Dunedin, is ancestor to Cathy and Barry
KEWISH of Leeston, Canterbury cathy.barry"at"xtra.co.nz 1st contact 6.3.2007.
They have traced their KEWISH line back to the 1600's in Lezayre, Isle of Man.
2183 1 5--Kathleen KEWISH
m sp-Edward WARREN/WARENS, a Canadian - no children.
This photo of her age c8 is from the album of 218
via Bob W. 4 kb
L to R: Edward WARENS & Kathleen nee KEWISH [2183 1],
Tom KIRKMAN & Connie [2185], Capt Wm KEWISH [sp of 2183] ex album of 218 via Bob W
2183 2 5--Bella KEWISH
This photo of her age c8 is from the album of 218
via Bob W. 3 kb
2183 3 5--William KEWISH Jnr m sp-?
This photo of him as a baby with his mother Kitty
is from the album of 218 via Bob W.
This photo of him age c8 is from the album of 218
via Bob W. 3 kb
2184 4--Beryl WITHERS (15.4.1889 Ngahauranga,Wellington-28.5.1957 Los Angeles)
b & m info ex bible of 218. She wrote articles for a NZ newspaper, probably a
Wellington pager, prior to 1917. Her ashes are in Forest Lawn Memorial Park,
Glendale, California next to those of her mother and her brother 2187 Edward.
Death cert: secretary, widowed, 21 years in Los Angeles, of 2534 Harcourt Ave.
"Beryl CATON" - from the album of 218 via Bob W
m 12.2.1914 Wellington sp-William James CATON (b London, d c1936 Los Angeles)
- ex bible of 218.
2184 1 5--John "Jack" Withers CATON (31.7.1917-2.4.1990 Los Angeles)
He has documents of his grandmother Bella, wife of 218.
m Madeleine
*1987: 16662 Busby Lane, Huntington Beach, Calif. 92647
2184 2 5--Willie CATON Baby [Willie] CATON age 0, 18.5.1914; buried with 218 &
2186.
2185 4--Constance "Connie" Kelburne WITHERS (28.11.1892 Ngahauranga,Wellington
-1930s) b info ex bible of 218.
Constance K. WITHERS referred to in letter 13.4.1914 held by 21881 below.
m after 1900 sp-Tom KIRKMAN
L to R: Edward WARENS & Kathleen nee KEWISH [2183 1],
Tom KIRKMAN & Connie [2185], Capt Wm KEWISH [sp of 2183] ex album of 218 via Bob W
2186 4--Bessie WITHERS (15.1.1894 Fort Kelburne,Ngahauranga,Wellington
-22.1.1913 Wellington) b info ex bible of 218. Buried 23.1.1913 with her father
& 21842 Willie CATON in Area 2 Block A Row 19 Plot 8 in Karori Cemetery,
Wellington "ILMO Bessie WITHERS d 22 Jan 1913 at 19."
Plot Summary: tailoress of 29 Cleveland St age 18, 23.1.1913.
2187 4--Edward (Ted) Oscar WITHERS (30.9.1895 Fort Kelburne,Wellington-.1.1964
Los Angeles) b info ex bible of 218.
See 2184 re his ashes. An artist. For pinups he painted see
http://www.thepinupfiles.com/withers.html I quote:
'When WITHERS began painting pin-ups for Brown and Bigelow in 1950, he
had already spent twenty-five years working in the Hollywood film
industry. He was ready for a change, and so was the calendar company,
which assigned him the honour of painting the Artist's Sketch Pad
calendar for the 1954 market. WITHERS' first twelve dreamy pin-ups
would be followed by many more in years to come, until the calendar
passed on to Fritz WILLIS in 1961.
Edward WITHERS was born in Wellington, New Zealand. After studying at
Wellington College, he enrolled at the Royal Academy in London and
later at the South Kensington School of Art and the Slade School of
Art. Eager for more training, Withers moved to Paris and the
prestigious Académie Julian, During World War One, he saw service in
Samoa, Egypt, France, and Germany and received three decorations.
In 1924, Withers came to America with his wife and two children. In
his Hollywood years, he did a number of celebrity portraits while
employed in a series of jobs, including art director at MGM Studios,
supervisor in the trick and miniature department at Universal Studios,
art director for Earnshaw-Young Advertising Agency, and art director
for the Sterling Press Lithograph Company. He also painted fine-art works for
his own enjoyment, and his award-winning landscapes were widely exhibited.
In November 1950, at his first Brown and Bigelow cocktail party,
Withers was talking with Norman Rockwell when Rolf Armstrong and Gil
Elvgren arrived. These two pin-up greats were introduced to Withers,
who was bowled over when Armstrong praised him as "one of America's
greatest, most versatile painters" and Elvgren, who had a keen
interest in photography, added "one of the best photographers in the
country".
WITHERS had an analytical mind, a great personality, and a superb
sense of humour - not to mention the technical skills of a Da
Vinci. In a letter to Brown and Bigelow, he once described the view
from his Hollywood apartment in this way:
"At night I look out on a carpet of jewels composed of neon and street
lights, and here I work and am grateful that way over the eastern
horizon, you nice people multiply my effort and enable me to live very
well indeed".
He passed away in Los Angeles in early 1964. Biography borrowed from
The Great American Pin-up by Charles G. Martignette and Louis K. Meisel.'
President of the California Art club, 1st prize at LA museum exhibit, 1st medal
from the Painters & Sculptors, 1st from Western State College in Colorad; on
advisory committee of the LA art commission; - see cutting held by 21881 below.
See 2188 for a photo in Samoa in WW1 with brother Alf.
"Ted in camp with the Specialist Branch, 30th
Reinforcements, 1918"- from album of 218 via Bob.
"Ted & his mates, Featherston Camp 1917"- from
album of 218 via Bob.
"Exhibit C - Ted as a Bolshevik, Days Bay, Wellington"- from album of 218 via Bob.
Ted in WW1 RNZAF uniform ex Bob W.
"Ted assisting to shoot a scene with one of his glass paintings"- from album of 218 via Bob.
m1 Margaret (Peggy) .. div.
m2 [Milly or was she wife to another Ted WITHERS?]
2187 1 5--Donald WITHERS d1995?
2187 11 6--Gregory John WITHERS *2003: Pasadena, Calif. Married twice. 4 chn.
2187 2 5--Joan Edith WITHERS d1992
L to R: model Carol JANIS,
2187 Edward WITHERS & Joan, beside a controversial portrait rejected by
LA County Museum; 84 kb More on the controversy:
Lower L: Pickets on museum steps were harangued by Withers painter of Carol
& head of local art club. The police arrived shortly. 71kb
2188 4--Alfred John Spritza WITHERS (24.5.1898 Fort Kelburne,Wellington,NZ
-1992 PA,USA) b info ex bible of 218.
RW has sent me a copy of his birth cert. It records his birth being at his
parents home at "Fort Kelburne, Ngahauranga". He was in touch with 2184 1 John
CATON.
These 2 photos show Alf with brother Ted
(2187 above) in WW1 in Samoa (occupied by NZ when Germany retreated).
The photo on L has Ted seated on L with a companion. The photo on R has L to R:
Alf 2188, Ted 2187, & 2 companions. -From the album of Maud 2182 (now with her
dr Marjorie 21821) via Bob W. 16kb
Bob: Dad was underage when he volunteered. When this was found out
he was sent home. I believe he later re-enlisted .. he wore several NZ ribbons
on his US Navy uniform (in which he served in WW2 as Chief Petty Officer, Chief
Photography). Moved to Calif., built sets at 20th Century Fox
Here is a portrait about age 70 by Bob from a photo.
m1 Sept 27,1921 sp-Mary Eva MONTROY divorced July 1940. 1 child.
2188 1 5--Robert (Bob) Patrick WITHERS (1.8.1926 California) No siblings.
He visited NZ in 1943 at age 16 while in the Merchant Marines. His ship
visited Auckland, Wellington, Dunedin & Invercargill to pick up packages for
POWs. Until 1989 he worked for Portion Packaging in Trevose, Penns. He is a
landscape, portrait & still life artist & a Member of the Fellowship of the
Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts. He had a 2nd visit to NZ Nov. 2003.
* 2004: rpwithers"at"mailstation.com PO Box 191,Geigertown,PA 19523,USA
tel +1 610 582 2131; 102 Mullen Rd, Birsboro, PA 19508.
m1 sp-Elaine ASTOR (d 1986)
2188 11 6--Cynthia J WITHERS (1952)
m sp-Floyd HAYES Issue: Thomas J WITHERS, Andrew WITHERS
2188 12 6--Laurence K WITHERS (1954)
m sp-Holly MCGURK (Divorced)
2188 121 7--Abigail WITHERS c1987
2188 122 7--Charles H WITHERS
2188 13 6--Richard S WITHERS (1955)
2188 14 6--Carolyn S WITHERS (1956) cswskincare"at"aol.com 2006
m sp-James SANFORD (Divorced)
2188 141 7--Jacqueline G SANFORD
2188 15 6--Barbara L WITHERS (1958)
m1 sp-Greg COWAN (Divorced)
2188 151 7--Elizabeth M COWAN
[2188 15 6--Barbara L WITHERS (1958)]
*2006: blginsburg58"at"comcast.net
m2 sp-Neal GINSBURG
2188 152 7--Rachel G GINSBURG
2188 16 6--Allan B WITHERS (1960)
m sp-Carole KATZ
2188 17 6--Robert C WITHERS (1962)
[2188 4--Alfred John Spritza WITHERS (24.5.1898 Wellington,NZ-1992 PA,USA)]
m2 c July 1942 sp-Jane Allen MALAK No issue.
2189 4--Willie WITHERS Buried in Area 2 Block A Row 19 Plot 8 in Karori
Cemetery, Wellington with father & sister Bessie. Assumed to be a son.
See under 218 for a photo of 218, Bella, Billy & Beryl [2184].
..........................................................................
219 3--Arthur Henry WITHERS (7.11.1862-2.2.1863 Parnell,Auckland) Died an
infant. From the Southern Cross. Buried in Symond St Cem., Auckland.
21(10) 3--Frances Amelia WITHERS (3.7.160-.3.1864 Parnell,Auckland) died aged
4. Weekly News 12.3.1864: "youngest child of Quartermaster WITHERS, late 65th
Regt,... the residence Windsor St, Parnell this day 4 o'clock." Buried in
Symond St Cem., Auckland.
..........................................................................
[21 2--Major Edward WITHERS (1804 London-1883)]:
m3 26.6.1878 St Johns, Napier sp-Fanny BATHAM (1840/41 Kidderminster, England)
of Napier; she a spinster, he a Major Commander, widower - ex m cert ex PB.
(In 1987 LW gave m 29.6.1874.)
3 children. "After Major EW died [in 1883] she returned to England, the sons
becoming officers in the British Army."-CW nee HARDING.
1891 census at Bedfordshire, Clapham, High Road. Ivy Bank? Franklins Houses:
Fanny WITHERS 50 Wid. Living on own means. B Worcestershire, Kidderminster
Charles WITHERS 14 b Napier, New Zealand.
LW has 2 photos of her by S CARNELL in Auckland & Napier.
Freeholders of NZ 1882 (1884) lists her as having 208 acres in Hawkes Bay
worth P1040, 38 acres in Waipawa - P480, 300P property in Hastings, 350P
property in Napier. Fanny was his housekeeper before they married. She
inherited his estate to the chagrin of his children by his previous 2
marriages.
This photo shows Fanny seated in
old age with son Charles, his wife, & their daughter Naomi aged c5 so taken
c1925; held by PB. 33kb
21(11) 3--Colonel Charles McGregor WITHERS (29.11.1876 Napier-23.10.1958)
1891 census with mother - see above.
National Army Museum. Who's Who 1937: Indian Army (retired). 1 son & 2 drs.
Sandhurst, Indian Army 1897, Somaliland 1902-3, E Africa 1905-6, ..
5/2 nd Punjab Regt. 1928, retired 1929.
* Manydown, Fitzroy Rd, Fleet, Hampshire - inscribed in his copy of the WITHER
book by Rev BIGG-WITHER now held by PB - (see discussion under Caroline, wife
of 213) & a letter to him dated .10.1937:
"yesterday's paper ... your daughter's engagement to a son of Alfred GARRETT.
So did Naomi marry twice?? Charles appears to have named his home Manydown
after the Manydown of the WITHER family.
His fr left him 36 acres in Woodville.
Described in 1953 obit. of sr 21(12) Kathleen as Knight Commander of the Bath,
Fleet, England.
This coloured photo of him is held by PB. 25kb
m1 1907 sp-Elaine CURRY dr of late M CURRY of Howe
m2 1915 sp-Marjery dr of late FP FOSTER of Ealing
21(11)1 4--Naomi WITHERS (c1920 Yorkshire-2002) She visited NZ 2000 with son
Edward. *2001: 15 Westwood Rd,Beverley, E Yorks, HU17 8BN.
m sp-David TOWN
21(11)1 1 5--Edward TOWN. PB has their address.
21(11)1 2 5--Christopher TOWN
21(11)1 3 5--Anthony TOWN
21(11)2 4--David WITHERS m sp-Barbara
21(11)2 1 5--Stephen WITHERS
..........................................................................
21(12) 3--Kathleen Frances WITHERS (b 17.6.1878 Napier d 27.4.1953 Royal
Jubilee Hospital, Victoria BC, Canada) In 1917 she was living in Victoria,
Canada. Her fr left her 40 acres in Woodville. JB has sent me her d cert:
Address 1932 St Ann Rd, Oak Bay, BC; 45 years in Canada, 41 yrs in Oak Bay;
d of cerebral thrombosis 1 month & arterios's 15 yrs. Obituary 29.4.1953
Victoria Times Colonist ex JB:"MRS CARMICHAEL, WELL-KNOWN CITY CLUB WOMAN, DEAD
... lost a son in the air force during the war & her dr & son-in-law in a
yachting accident a year ago, died here Monday at the age of 74. A well-known
city club woman, Mrs CARMICHAEL, 1932 St Ann St, was a former president of the
Local Council of Women & took a keen interest in the organization. She was
born in Auckland, NZ 17.6.1878. She m'd Alfred CARMICHAEL in 1909. The eldest
son FO Brian CARMICHAEL was posted missing in the Mediterranean 21.1.1943.
A dr Patricia & her husband Edward Eldridge JUKE were lost in a yachting
accident near Bellingham 18.5.1952. Mrs CARMICHAEL is survived by her husband
& one son David D CARMICHAEL of Victoria; 4 grchn Patricia & Michelle JUKE of
Bellingham, Wash. & Brian & Ian CARMICHAEL of Victoria; 2 brs Col C McG WITHERS
[21(11)] Knight Commander of the Bath, Fleet, England & Arthur L WITHERS
[21(13)], Jasper, Alta.
Archdeacon AE de L NUNNS will conduct funeral services from McCall Bros Wed at
4pm. Cremation will follow." - thanks to Joe B.
m 7.4.1909 at Alberni, B.C. sp-Alfred CARMICHAEL b 1874 Belfast, Ireland
d 30.1.1963 Victoria, BC. Son of David & Katherine CARMICHAEL -ex m cert ex JB.
When m'd he was a bachelor 34 & she a spinster 30 dr of Fannie Batham WITHERS;
residence when m'd Album, BC;
witnesses Clifford WISE of Alberni & Arthur S WITHERS 21(13) of Alberni; he was
Presbytn & she C of E; m'd by FH WIMBERLING? BD by license at All Saints church
JB has sent me his d cert: Address 1860 Crescent Rd, Victoria, BC; 72 years in
Canada, 52 yrs in [Oak Bay]; real estate agent until 1952; b Milisle,N Ireland;
wife Jane nee FRASER (must be his 2nd); cremated 2.2.1963 Saanich, Vancouver
Island; d 30.1.1963 of cerebral haemorhage 4 wks, arterios's 1 yr, pneumonia
2 wks.
JB has sent me the census record for 21.4.1891 James Bay Ward, Victoria, BC
showing Alfred 17, iron works mechanic with his br's Herbert 24 estate agent
& Norman 22 architect.
JB has sent me info on him. He was Mgng Director or Chairman of Oak Bay Lands
Ltd, 1923-36, Port Alberni Syndicate Ltd 1909-28, Investors Syndicate Ltd 1933
-36. Son of a flour mill owner. Educated at the Royal Academical Instn, Belfast
& Lymn Grammar School, Cheshire & Manchester Technical School. After his fr
died he came to Canada to make his fortune at age 16 then returned to Britain.
He reached Victoria 1890 to find the city suffering a depression. His cousin"
Herbert preceded him & his br Norman followed later. He took a job in the
boiler shop of Albion Iron WOrks as rivet heater at 10c/hr. Next year he
worked at the Aberdeen Salmon Cannery on the Skeen River. In 1892 he went to
work for Rbt WOODS building the 1st paper mill in BC, on the Somass River,
Alberni. When it shut down he operated teh attached sawmill. He surveyed BC
coast water power sites for Scottish interests & reported favorably on the
Powell River Later he crossed in a skiff from Texada Island to Powerll River &
staked out the power site for a Victoria syndicate. In the early 1890s he went
with missionary Melvin SWARTOUT along the W coast of Vancouver Island & to
Barclay Sound & collected material for "Indian Legends of Vancouver Island"
puglished by Musson Book Co 1922. In 1899 he went to Atlin prospecting & placer
mining for 8 yrs. With a partner he staked 22 sq miles of timber. In 1908 he
contracted with the Canadian Pacific Railway to clear the last 8 miles of
right-of-way for extending the Esquimalt & Namaimo Railway into Port Alberni
taking Charles A MOORHEAD (later Lt-Col.) as partner. This co. placed the city
of Port Alberni on the market. He organized the Port Alberni Contract Co. In
1911 & 1912 he visited England making reservation to return on the TITANIC but
luckily changed to the CEDRIC because of some business in London. 1914-23 he
was Vic. mgr of Franco-Canadian Trust Co, Van.Is. Fruit Lands Ltd & Uplands Ltd
which they sold at a profit of $3/acre of Van. Is. to the Franco-Canadian Co.
In 1923 the firm of Carmichael & Co was incorporated. In 1926 he formed a
partnership with David LEEMING (later mayor of Victoria) organising Oak Bay
Lands Ltd, Vic. Properties Ltd, & Exchange Building Ltd. Oak Bay Lands Ltd
bought 400 Oak Bay tax sale lots for $63,000 in 1926. He & LEEMING sold $22,000
lots in 2 days by auction from a tent at the foot of Oak Bay. In 1929 came
the slump & Oak Bay Municipality took possession of 100s of lots.
He was president of Victoria Rotary Club 1929 & president of Vic. Real Estate
Board 1927, 1931-32. In 1952 he retired leaving his real estate business to his
only surviving son David.
JB has also sent me articles from The Nanaimo Daily Free Press 1.9.1960 & Twin
City Times 7.9.1960 with photos of Alfred presenting a painting of the Twin
Cities of Alberni & Port Alberni by J SEMEYN in 1910; also an article on Alfred
by GE MORTIMORE "This Week's Profile" Victoria Daily Colonist 2.10.1955:
- Alfred CARMICHAEL, veteran promoter & real estate man, has lived much of his
life in at atmosphere of big deals & high endeavour.... had an interest in a
3000 acre ranch in Mexico where he & his partners were going to grow early
tomatoes for the Canadian market. But a revolution broke out in Mexico...
A self-taught surveyer, he helped lay out the townsites of Port Alberni &
Saseenos; staked the power site at Powell River ..., mined gold in N Alaska for
8 yrs; learned to speak Chinook, the Indian trade language; wrote & had
published a book of Indian legends; & dealt in real estate for more than
40 yrs. ... In the depression he was commissioned .. to lead a campaign to
persuade firms & orgns to clean up, repair & launch any kind of project that
would make jobs. Some $100,000 worth of work was carried out as a result....
This photo of Alfred is from this article on him.
21(12)1 4--Brian Withers CARMICHAEL d 21.1.1943 age 30 Flying Officer J9641,
179 Sqdn, Royal Canadian Air Force, Malta Memorial. - this commemorates 2298
airmen who d WW2. - Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Posted missing in the
Mediterranean 21.1.1943 flying anti-submarine patrols. Obit in "They shall grow
not old" or WW2 Canadian Airmen by Commonwealth Air Training Plan Museum Inc
via JB: "F/O (WAG) J9641. From Victoria, BC. Killed in action 21.1.1943 aged
30. #179 Squadron Wellington aircraft #HX 690 failed to return from operations.
Sgt JH BROWN (RAF) P/O, GE HARVEY (RAF) & F/O JS HUSTLER (RAF) were also
killed. One of the crew (not Canadian) missing believed killed. Flying Officer
Wireless Operatir Air Gunner CARMICHAEL has no known grave ..."
21(12)2 4--Ted CARMICHAEL
21(12)3 4--David Dalziel CARMICHAEL #In 1961 of 1935 Mayfair Drive, Victoria,
British Columbia when he provided info for d cert. of 21(13) Pete WITHERS.
1968 Notary Public (own business) 1111 Fort St h 1931 Mayfair - ex JB
1991-4 as above but retired - Victoria City Directories - ex JB.
1996 David D & Jean P CARMICHAEL 1931 Mayfair. (No Brian or Ian)
Obituary ex JB, Victoria Times 21.12.1996 - d suddenly at home with family
19.12.1996. B Victoria 1919; predeceased by Doreen (DODLE) his loving wife of
54 yrs in 1994. Survived by sons Brian (Ann) of Sidney, Ian (Karen) of Agassiz,
Bruce (Nicola) of Prince George; dr Jean of Victoria; & grchn Christopher,
Peter, Scott, Sean, Julian, Adrian & Erin.
m 1940 sp-Doreen Cranstoun DODLE (PHETHEAN) obit TC 8.10.1994
21(12)3 1 5--Brian CARMICHAEL of Victoria in 1953 m sp-Ann; of Sidney in 1996
21(12)3 2 5--Ian CARMICHAEL of Victoria in 1953 m sp-Karen; of Agassiz in 1996
21(12)3 3 5--Bruce CARMICHAEL m sp-Nicola; of Prince George in 1996
21(12)3 4 5--Jean CARMICHAEL of Victoria in 1996
21(12)3 xy 6-- Christopher, Peter, Scott, Sean, Julian, Adrian, Erin CARMICHAEL
21(12)4 4--Patricia CARMICHAEL
m 1937 Victoria sp-Edward Eldridge JUKES They both drowned in a yachting
accident off Orcas Island near Bellingham 18.5.1952. Victoria Times Colonist
20.5.1952 ex JB:
"BODY FOUND IN SEARCH FOR SLOOP. Coastguardsmen searching for a sailboat
missing with 7 persons found the body of one in northern Puget Sound today. ..
of Ed JUKES 41 Bellingham, Wash. was spotted from a Coastguard plane. The
search for the missing sloop was being continued by an RCAF plane, 2 coastguard
planes, 3 patrol boats & 7 civilian boats".
Victoria Daily Times 20.5.1952 headline "CH WRECK FOUND - 7 BELIEVED DROWNED
Bellingham Craft, 2 Bodies Discovered. The submerged hulk of the 35 foot sloop
PRELUDE & the bodies of 2 of 7 persons aboard were found today 8m W of
Bellingham, Wash. The US Coast Guard identified only 1, that of Ed JUKES of
Bellingtham Coroner. August COOT said he died from a blow to the head. The
hulk of the craft was sighted by a coast guard plane off Migale Point on the N
tip of Lummi Island. Coast guardsmen said the vessel apparently sank after she
struck a reef or log. In addition to JUKES & his wife, those aboard the vessel
included 4 other adults & a 12 year old boy. RCAF planes & a high speed launch
had joined in the search for the vessel earlier. The yacht disappeared Sunday
night while on a 20 m cruise thru N Puget Sound waters."
Victoria Daily Times 21.5.1952 "VICTORIA WOMAN ON LOST SLOOP/ Parents, Mr &
Mrs A CARMICHAEL Waiting to Hear if Body Recovered by Ron BAIRD
The elderl parents of a victim of Sunday's yachting disaster in Puget Sound are
waiting quietly in their St Ann St home here today for a phone call that will
mark the end of a tragedy.
The body of their son-in-law Edward E JUKES of Bellingtham along with 3 others
was recovered today near Lummi Island. ... Search is continuing for the bodies
of Mrs JUKES, Paul FORDYCE, owner of the yacht, & Donald CARD ... All but Mr
JUKES werre wearing life jackets. The yacht is still missing. ... The
CARMICHAELs ... have a 2nd son David who is mgr of Alfred CARMICHAEL real
estate company here.... Their missing dr b at Port Alberni, was educated at the
old Provincial Normal Model School, Victoria High & Victoria College. She was
married in Victoria 15 yrs ago & went to live in Bellingham where her husband
was an accountant. They have 2 drs Patricia & Michelle."
This photo of Patricia & Edward JUKES heads the
article.
21(12)4 1 5--Patricia JUKES of Bellingham, Wash. in 1953
21(12)4 2 5--Michelle JUKES of Bellingham, Wash. in 1953
..........................................................................
21(13) 3--Arthur Leslie "Pete" WITHERS (b 26.2.1880 Upper Queen St, Auckland;
d 1961 Kelowna, British Columbia) "of Alberni, B.C" in 1909 when he witnessed
the m of his sr 21(12) Kathleen. In Jasper, Alta. in 1953 obit. of sr Kathleen.
His friend Joe BRYANT, 447 Thessally Circle, Ottawa ON., KIH 5W7 Canada
jbryant7"at"rogers.com ph 001 (613) 731-4878 wrote 2005:
I first became acquainted with Mr. WITHERS in Jasper National Park, Alberta,
Canada about 1935. At Jasper he was known by everyone as ³Pete WITHERS.² He
was a good friend of my family and occasionally a guest at my parents¹ house
when I was just a small boy. My clearest memory of those early days is
creeping down the stairs in an evening when I was supposed to be in bed and
listening to Pete playing the piano with great skill, especially ³In an
English Country Garden.² Later he mentored my older brother and eventually me
in the ways of the countryside. He was an expert cross-country skier, a
prodigious hiker, a keen tennis player, an innovative kayaker, etc. He
was a man of outstanding character.
I left Jasper in 1946 and saw Pete only once after that. My information is
that he retired from the Park¹s service about 1955 and moved to a small town
in eastern British Columbia - a short distance west of Jasper National Park.
There the trail went cold. With the help of people who got to know him in
retirement I finally found that he had died at Kelowna, British Columbia in
1961. His death certificate indicates that a nephew, David W. CARMICHAEL
[21(12)2], of 1935 Mayfair Drive, Victoria, British Columbia, provided
[his parents & b details]. The funeral home in Kelowna B.C. that handled the
remains reported that the same individual authorized cremation of the body
but no one turned up to authorize or pay for interment of the ashes. After
several months the ashes were therefore interred in a common, unmarked grave.
A sad ending for a grand and greatly loved gentleman. It is my intention to
ensure that a suitable marker is placed in that cemetery. But I¹d really like
to get more information on Pete¹s background first.
... Pete is the name by which he was known to all an sundry in Jasper for 35
years... The only clue I had that it wasn¹t his real name was that
in an article he published in the Canadian Alpine Journal in 1933 under the
name ³Peter Withers² he mentions that four men took part in the famous winter
ski expedition in the Canadian Rockies and names them in a footnote, stating
that one was ³A.L. WITHERS.²
I have also obtained a copy of the
probated will of Major Edward WITHERS but was disappointed to discover that
the last codicil was made a year or two before Arthur Leslie was born.
A Royal Canadian Navy file gives the following.
He entered the Royal Navy 15 January, 1898 about 6 weeks prior to his
18th birthday. He apparently started out as ³Assistant Clerk.²
He was promoted to Assistant Paymaster Lieutenant on 26 February, 1901, his
21st birthday (my guess is that he had to be 21 in order to hold that rank).
He resigned from the Royal Navy 31 March, 1908, at the ripe old age of 28.
It appears that he emigrated to Canada sometime in the next year as he was a
witness at the marriage of his sister, Kathleen [21(12)], to Alfred CARMICHAEL
on April 7, 1909 at Alberni, B.C.
August 4, 1914 - Britain declared war and Canada automatically was included.
That same day, WITHERS sent a telegram to the Naval Secretary in Ottawa
offering his services. His offer was accepted and, with effect from August
6, 1914 he became an Assistant Paymaster Lieutenant in the ³Royal Canadian
Navy (Temporary).² He was assigned to the Admiral¹s Yard, Esquimalt, B.C.
(Esquimalt was Canada¹s primary naval base on the west coast.)
17 June, 1915, WITHERS claimed an increase in pay due to his having served
as an Assistant Paymaster for 8 years: R.N. 26 Feb. 1901 to 31 March 1908 =
7 yrs, 36 days; R.C.N. (Temporary) 6 August 1914 to 30 June 1915 = 329
days.
Pay increase was granted. Amount not stated but information elsewhere in
the file suggests it was increased to $4.00 per day.
25 July, 1916, WITHERS was ordered to Ottawa on temporary service for about
3 weeks. 8 Sept. 1916 he was promoted to Acting Paymaster, R.C.N.
Temporary for duty at Ottawa.
Due to a very large increase in recruiting activity by the end of 1916,
WITHERS was appointed ³Recruiting Secretary² 4 January 1917, ³to undertake
all matters connected with recruiting² for the Canadian Navy.
30 June, 1919 appointed Temporary Acting Paymaster Lieut. Commander,
R.C.N. [with increased pay from $4.00 to $5.50 per day].
30.4.1920, Discharged as part of post-war downsizing of the Canadian Navy.
WITHERS gave his post-demobilization address as:
A.L. WITHERS, c/o Mrs. A. CARMICHAEL, 1932 St. Ann St.,Oak Bay, Victoria, B.C.
1930 He made a 200 mile ski trip from Jasper to Banff with 4 others.
1933 author of "A winter attack on Mt Columbia", Canadian Alpine Jnl
3 September 1939. Britain officially at war with Germany.
4 September 1939. WITHERS sends telegram from Jasper, Alberta to Naval
Secretary Ottawa offering his services, noting that when he was demobilized
at Ottawa on April 30, 1920 he held the rank of Paymaster Lieutenant
Commander.- The Royal Canadian Navy did not accept WITHERS¹ offer perhaps
because by then he was 59 years old.
1955 "Early days of skiing in Jasper Park" - Jasper Yellowhead Museum Archives
Where was he between April 1909 and August 1914 when he entered the Royal
Canadian Navy? It appears from later events that wherever it was, skiing
was involved. When he moved to Jasper National Park in October 1920 he was
one of only two people in the Park who owned skis. In subsequent years he
became locally famous for the extensive trips he made on skis as a Park
Warden and as a spark plug in a group of much younger men who made
nationally significant mountain treks on skis.
As a youth I once teased ³Pete² that it was about time he got married.
He replied that there was lots of time, that his father had been 75 when he
was born and his grandfather had been 75 when his father was born
so there¹s lots of time! Sure enough the Major was 76 when ³Pete² was born ...
Between his birth in 1880 (or was it 1881?) and 1911 I have no information at
all. In 1911 he joined the Royal Canadian Navy, apparently as an Assistant
Paymaster and I¹m just now arranging to look at the archives of the Canadian
Navy to see what his attestation papers may reveal and details of his career
in the Canadian navy. Unsubstantiated rumors in Jasper when I was growing up
were that Pete had served under sail in the New Zealand Navy, or the British
Navy, but I have been unable to substantiate them.
..........................................................................
22 2--Thomas WITHERS (1815) Enlisted in 1824? in the 65th Regt. but later
left it. District Adjutant in N England. Married there.
23 2--Sergeant-Major John WITHERS He went missing in the battle of Inkerman,
Crimean War 1854/55 in 7-th Regt. This Regiment were Fusiliers & fought at the
Battle of Alma previous to Inkerman.
"Spent his fortune acquired in India trying
to trace his uncle William [1 above] who'd gone to N England" - another
doubtful quote from Caroline nee HARDING's family history.
NB If his army record shows he was b1820 this would be strong evidence that his
father 2 Ralph is indeed 3836 74 on p2. PB has ordered his next of kin record.
One can subscribe to CRIMEAN-WAR-D-request"at"rootsweb.com A Crimean War site is
http://www.greenhillbooks.com/booksheets/eyewitness_in_the_crimea.html
24 2--Mary WITHERS b 1808/04 England d 25.7.1886 Richmond of old age &
pneumonia at 78; bur. 27.7.1886 Christchurch Cemetery; age at m 52; ex d cert
ex PB - no parents. For the start of her letter in 1876 to 213 see under 2
(Ralph) above. The letter from Mary goes on "besides your Grandfathers
[descendants?] there would be Thos [sons?] John Robt Edward and a further?
James Descendants My Grandfather [Paul: Was this Dr William? WITHERS?]
had an estate left him a considerable one and I am sorry to say him and my
uncle Wm squandered it all away they made such bad use of it they drank brandy
till I am told [interlined]{ they could not stand } and every other bad habit
till my Grandfather and grandmother [Ralph and Mary?] had to live on the
charity of the uncle that brought me up and I heard it said when I was a child
that was why it was thrown into chancery their making such a bad? use of it I
know nothing more than I tell you and now Dear Willie let me beg you not to
love? the substance from the shadow your Uncle John I was told sent plenty
of good money over? it and if he could do nothing for? sure you cannot My Dear
Fellow..."
m 13.11.1856 Oriental Bay, Wellington sp-Captain James DAYMOND (1807-9.4.1881)
of Christchurch. Sources: MacDonald Dictionary of Canterbury Biographies,
Canterbury Museum, ChCh; their m cert ex PB: she a spinster, he a bachelor &
cooper. The m was held in private residence of David WILLINSON
2. WITHERS in 1972 Electoral Maori Rolls
Western: Ngaire H 37 Liverpool Av, Papatoetoe married
Southern:
Kahu linesman & Phyllis laundress 90 Buckley Rd, Wellington
Lena Taihape Rd Hastings widow
Raymand R, Hamama RD1 Nelson, labourer
Te Aroha CT 38 Shrimpton Rd, Haumoana, domestic female
Northern: none
Eastern:
Edward R labourer, Mere J spinster, Edwin labourer, Whareparaki B married
woman, all at Lake Rd, Ngongotaha
Mura, Matamata, housewife
Rachael W spinster, & Wiremu bushman, both of Jedburgh St, Tokoroa
Tohi Ariki DA Tokoroa, driver, male.
3. THE FAMILY OF SIR JOHN HALL
(The line from 23 overlaps the WITHERS family at 1.)
Sources: as below and Kate FOSTER "KM" 451 below.
0 0-Captain George HALL 1782-1865
m 1817 Hull sp-Grace WILLIAMSON d1827 portrait p23 of [1] with sister Mildred.
Because Grace died when their children were young they were brought up by
their aunt, Mildred FOWLER who had no children of her own. There is still a
family expression, 'May I speak, Mrs FOWLER?' -KW
1 1-George Williamson HALL 1819-96 d at 77 photo p42? of [1]. Grain merchant
arrived Lyttleton 1852.
m 1850 sp-Agnes Emma DRYDEN b Hull d 1917
11 2-"Aggie" [or "Milly"??] Agnes Mildred HALL (b 1851/1853 Hull, England
d 3.1.1919 Invercargill)
m1 1874 Edward WAKEFIELD, MP for Selwyn 1854-7, editor and part-owner of
Wellington's Evening Press, son of Felix & nephew of Edward Gibbon WAKEFIELD
of the NZ Co., brother of William. 6 chn
Part of the divorce 'settlement/agreement' was that she did not see her
children again.
[11 2-"Aggie" [or "Milly"??] Agnes Mildred HALL (b 1851/1853 Hull, England
d 3.1.1919 Invercargill)]
m2 1886 Christchurch sp-"Ted" Edward WITHERS (1850 Wellington-15.6.1914
Invercargill) 4 chn. (I have 5 - 1 dy.) #Ted is 216 at 1. See there for issue.
Part of this branch is having a gathering Sept 2004 at Hororata. -It is clearly
understood in the family that Aggie and Edward WITHERS were cousins. Is it
possible that the connection was through George HALL Sr in the UK? That would
account for the USA connection. -WM.
2 1-Thomas Williamson HALL 1819 of Timaru
m sp-Sarah YOUNG photos p26-27 of [1]. 5 sons
21
22
23 2-John HALL He left NZ about 1888 for USA, leaving his wife Lizzie &
children in NZ (this is stated in the Biography of Sir John HALL "In His Own
Merits" by Jean GARNER). It is intimated that he left under a cloud [- I guess
because of the trial of his son 231 -KW] for California. Sir John HALL [4
below] provided for his family - then Sir John and Lizzie managed to locate him
in America and she joined him there. WM notes two of his daughters marriages in
NZ, but no dates.
?m 31.7.1883 at her father's house "Pyramids" at Riversdale in Otago
sp-Elizabeth HAMILTON related to the MORTON family in East Kilbride thru her
father Robert HAMILTON, the g/grandson of James WILSON, as was Wendy's ggfr!
WM: the m notice was in the Otago Witness newspaper 4.8.1883 "at the residence
of the bride's father by the Rev. W Panton BROWN, John HALL to Elizabeth
eldest surviving daughter of Robert HAMILTON, Pyramids, Riversdale".
[I had
23 2-John "Jack" HALL of Christchurch.
m Elizabeth Anne "Lizzie" WITHERS (d4.2.1915 Portland, Oregon, USA)
#She is 217 at 1. See there for his 1917 postcards.
WM has no record of any other "John" or "Jack" in the HALL family who could
have married into the WITHERS family.
This a photo of John & Lizzie HALL & 5 of their 6
children taken at Portland, Oregon, from the album of 218 now held by Bob.
[Who is John HALL who m'd Elizabeth HAMILTON?]
231 3-Edward Thomas "Tom" HALL b 1879 Tried in 1886 in Dunedin for poisoning
his wife Kitty & her father Capt CAIN; he was sent to Mt Eden jail til 1907.
m Kitty dr of Capt CAIN
232 3-George Elloughton HALL 1880
233 3-Frederick HALL 1883
234 3-Mildred Frances HALL 1875
235 3-Grace Withers HALL
236 3-Kathleen Elizabeth HALL
3 ?
4 1-Sir John HALL KCMG (18.12.1824 Hull,Yorks.-25.6.1907 Christchurch,NZ)
Buried at the graveyard of `Te Kouka' St John's church, Hororata. Twin.
Arrived Lyttleton,NZ 1852 as a farmer. Premier of NZ,1st Mayor of Christchurch.
In 1893 he sponsored the bill giving the vote to women in NZ - the 1st country
in the world to do so. Their family home was at Terrace Station, Hororata,
Christchurch.
m 1861 sp-Rose Anne DRYDEN dr of Wm. & sr of Agnes, wife of 1 above.
Lady HALL pushed for women's suffrage.
41 2-Gordon HALL dy
42 2-Mary HALL d by 1907
43 2-Wilfred HALL d 1943 at 79 m sp-Millicent
44 2-John Dryden HALL known as Dryden, d1941 Christ's College, ChCh. BA St
John's College, Oxford. Lawyer with Christchurch firm of Duncan & Cotterill.
"The record of Duncan & Cotterill & Co" held in Natl Lib. has a photo of him
p25. He gave up law for farming.
45 2-Godfrey HALL alive 1907
m sp-Margaretta "Peggy" THOMAS They lived at Terrace Station.
451 3-Kate HALL Parties wishing to tour Terrace Station may phone her on
# Ph 03 318 0756 fax 03 318 0662 katefoster"at"xtra.co.nz 2004
She did a HALL tree in the 1970. She is writing a book on Major General Sandy
THOMAS
m sp-Richard FOSTER They live at Terrace Station.
PO Box 42, Hororata, Canterbury 8172, New Zealand.
46 2-Mildred HALL alive 1907 m sp-John CRACROFT-WILSON
Children Mary, Doris, Frances, Godfrey "Tim", Frederick.
Other grandchildren of Sir John include Margaret, John, Kenneth & Peter HALL,
& Emma GRAY.
5 1-Ann Williamson HALL (18.12.1824 Hull,Yorks.-1826) twin
6 1-Grace Williamson HALL m sp- NEALL 4 chn including John
.........................................................
A HALL reunion was held at Terrace Station in 1995 and the book [1] was put out
on the family.
Rosemary SHIVNAN (rosemary.shivnan"at"natlib.govt.nz in 2004) of the Turnbull
Library (ph 04 474 3000) has kindly provided the following info:
JOHN HALL (1824-1907)
There are several references to John Hall in the
'Dictionary of New Zealand biography' available online at www.dnzb.govt.nz
... 'Encyclopedia of New Zealand' (Wellington, 1966), v 1, p 901 ...
His obituary in 'The Press', 26 June 1907, pp 7-8, states that he leaves three
sons (Wilfred, John and Godfrey) and one daughter (Mrs Cracroft Wilson).
You may wish to borrow the following books through your local library:
[1] Jean GARNER's 'By his own merits: Sir John HALL -pioneer, pastoralist and
premier' (Hororata, c1995). Contains many family photos, but no tree.
[2] 'Stories of two generations' ( Hororata [1998]) -recollections of John HALL
and his father, George) Contains portraits of John, George & his father.
A fascinating read.
[3] Thelma STRONGMAN 'The gardens of Canterbury: a history' (Wellington, 1984)
- pages 94-97 describe the Terrace Station owned by John Hall
There are numerous references to John's political career in the Alexander
Turnbull Library's Biographies Index. There are also references to Mildred Hall
(wife of John Cracroft-Wilson) and John Dryden Hall.
The Biographies Index is available on microfiche and is held by several
New Zealand libraries...
The following articles mention members of the Hall family and it can be noted
from these and the above items that the children of John and Rose Hall were
- Wilfred, John, Godfrey, Gordon, Mildred and Mary:
·'The Press', 21 February 1995, p 4; 7 February 2004, p D2
·'New Zealand historic places', May 1997, pp 10-12
Two institutions which may be able to help you further are the following:
·Christchurch City Libraries
PO Box 1466
Christchurch 8001
(email library"at"ccc.govt.nz )
·Canterbury Museum Library
Rolleston Avenue
Christchurch 8001
(email docinfo"at"cantmus.govt.nz )
Staff in Turnbull Library Pictures have checked the pictorial collections and
we have a number of photographs that you may be interested in. We have
portrait images of Sir John Hall, his son Wilfred Hall hoisting a flag at a
peace celebration, John and Rose Hall at Terrace Station, Hororata and a
picture of the nanny with a grandchild, Kenneth Hall.
Staff in the Manuscripts and Archives Section of the Library have checked the
database TAPUHI for information on the members of Sir John Hall's family and
report that the Library holds the Sir John Hall papers. These are described on
the database TAPUHI which can be accessed at http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/
Click into the Manuscripts and Archives section of this database, and put `Sir
John Hall papers' into the record title field. Click into the record
MS-Group-0033 and you will see that there are 304 folders and 54 volumes in
this collection. You can either click into any of the series or `child records'
(individual items) to see further description of items.
4. PRIVACY ISSUES
The primary purpose of these family trees is to preserve the history
of the families and to enable contact between members. So I include
living members and a method of contact if I can. If for any reason you
would like your contact details excluded please let me know.
