In an attempt to examine the R1b subclades in greater depth FTDNA 37
marker haplotypes were extracted and edited from Ysearch on 21 June 2005. The individuals had to be classified as
R1b or R1a (and subtypes) in the database and whose origin was listed as from
Britain, Ireland, Western Europe and Scandinavia. The edited data set contained
713 individuals that had 37 STR genotype scores. Names were concatenated with
their Ysearch listed haplogroup and
their unique ID to ease future comparison (e.g. Courtney_R1b_E3HBX). In some cases the names were edited or
truncated.
The data was clustered using Populations,
with Nei’s standard genetic distance and neighbor joining options selected. The
resultant data was then displayed as a phylogram and an R1a classified sample NJ9C5
selected as the outgroup. The link to the phylogram is shown below. It is a pdf
file so you will need a pdf viewer. Note you can search within the pdf viewer
for a surname or unique ID within the phylogram.
Based on the cluster order displayed in the phylogram potential R1b subclades were identified visually
and statistics calculated on the selected individuals within the subclade.
Where possible subgroups identified in the previous 25 STR marker analysis were
labeled the same.
Results and discussion
The exact number was not determined, but perhaps one third of the same
individuals are as in the previous 25 STR analysis. The R1a classified haplogroup individuals were clustered with no
incorrect assignments. The major observation is that the R1b sub-clusters tend to be similar, but with additional
sub-clusters defined, and the number of marker differences between sub-clusters
has increased. Modal STR haplotypes for tentative R1b sub-clades are shown
below.
The process again identified an R1b
subgroup labeled R1ba, with 10
differences, which has been previously described by David Wilson http://home.earthlink.net/~wilsondna/DYS392=14%20Summary.htm.
This is commonly known as an “Irish R1b
variety” even though it is only at a higher frequency in that Island. David
Wilson’s modal haplotype R1bdw
differs at several markers from this analysis presumably due to sampling.
The next group labeled R1bi
with 5 differences. This putative subgroup of R1b identified in the 25 STR
analysis was primarily expressed in Britonic surnames and could be called a
Campbell/Strathclyde signature. This group is now dubbed “Scot R1b variety” after Ken Nordtvelt who first described it R1bKN and has done an extensive
analysis on this grouping, see http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2005-07/1120443313
.
Perhaps surprisingly, three additional subclades have been tentatively
identified R1bcc, R1bff, R1bgg with
4, 7 and 6 differences respectively. All have 23 repeats at DYS 390.
Table 2. Modal haplotypes
of subclades from Ysearch 37 STR analysis. Old 25 STR subclades are also
indicated. R1b* are intermediate haplotypes between R1a and R1b haplogroups
that have all been assigned R1b. Only subclades that appear visually
distinctive have been annotated on the phylogram, typically those with 5 or
more differences.
37 STR |
25 STR |
n |
393 |
390 |
19 |
391 |
385a |
385b |
426 |
388 |
439 |
389i |
392 |
389ii* |
458 |
459a |
459b |
455 |
454 |
447 |
437 |
448 |
449 |
464a |
464b |
464c |
464d |
460 |
H4 |
YCAIIa |
YCAiib |
456 |
607 |
576 |
570 |
CDYa |
CDYb |
442 |
438 |
dif |
R1a |
R1a |
104 |
13 |
25 |
15 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
17 |
15 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
23 |
14 |
20 |
32 |
12 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
34 |
39 |
12 |
11 |
19 |
R1b* |
|
24 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
17 |
18 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
19 |
17 |
36 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
5 |
R1baa |
R1ba |
54 |
13 |
25 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
30 |
15 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
17 |
16 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
40 |
12 |
12 |
10 |
R1bbb |
|
17 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
18 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
37 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
3 |
R1bcc |
|
61 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
18 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
17 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
37 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
4 |
R1bdd |
|
48 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
37 |
12 |
12 |
3 |
R1bee |
|
51 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
36 |
39 |
12 |
12 |
2 |
R1bff |
|
24 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
15 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
36 |
39 |
12 |
12 |
7 |
R1bgg |
|
48 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
16 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
35 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
6 |
R1bhh |
|
32 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
19 |
17 |
36 |
40 |
12 |
12 |
4 |
R1ba |
|
55 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
10 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
36 |
37 |
12 |
12 |
4 |
R1bb |
|
51 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
35 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
2 |
R1bc |
|
47 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
36 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
3 |
R1bd |
|
47 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
15 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
10 |
19 |
23 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
16 |
36 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
5 |
R1be |
R1bi |
50 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
17 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
24 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
37 |
12 |
12 |
5 |
total |
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713 |
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Subgroups |
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R1baaa |
R1ba_core |
47 |
13 |
25 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
30 |
15 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
17 |
16 |
18 |
17 |
38 |
40 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
R1be1 |
R1bi_core |
34 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
17 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
12 |
19 |
24 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
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modal haplotypes (web) |
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R1b |
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13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
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R1bdw |
|
|
13 |
25 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
29 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
11 |
19 |
23 |
17 |
16 |
18 |
17 |
38 |
39 |
12 |
12 |
7 |
R1bKN |
|
|
13 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
17 |
18 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
17 |
17 |
11 |
12 |
19 |
24 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
38 |
12 |
12 |
7 |
R1a |
|
|
13 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
17 |
15 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
23 |
14 |
20 |
32 |
12 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
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I1 |
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13 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
14 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
16 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
16 |
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* note
389ii = FTDNA389ii-389i |
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A preliminary investigation was undertaken examining the age of several
of these subclades. Key details are shown in the table below. The method
involved taking the members of the subclade and comparing them against the
modal estimates for R1b, R1a and I1 and taking the mean estimate. An essential parameter used in these analyses
is the mutation rate. A value of 0.00069 +/-0.0006 has been used, based on the
estimate of Zhivotosky et al 2004.
Further details on this estimate will be posted on the site at a later date.
It should be emphasized that these estimates are subject to great
uncertainty and hence so are any conclusions drawn from them.
The R1ba group appears to
have diverged some 6783 years after the R1b
SWAMH (95% range 4000-10609 years).
This is a substantial range. Examining the diversity within the R1ba subclade suggests the TMRCA of R1ba was 4849 years bp (SD 1510) for this group (using 50%
threshold for TMRCA). Two observations
can be made, first the diversity within the subclade is relatively small
compared to its distance from the R1b haplogroup. It also puts the divergence
with SWAMH at over 10,000 years bp.
The observed pattern suggests a small introduction of R1ba (perhaps by invasion) into primarily Ireland and this was
followed by a rapid expansion of numbers around the 5000 years bp.
Alternatively, representatives of a previously rare haplotype, within the
existing Irish population, expanded/invaded into a new area and then rapidly
expanded in numbers. The evidence to date is inconclusive, but I would
speculate that it is the former. This date is broadly coincident with the time
where the first evidence of widespread agriculture is recorded.
In contrast the R1bi diverged
from the R1b SWAMH 3565 years after this common ancestor (95% range 1739-6348).
This divergence is some 3200 years earlier then R1ba and its expansion appears
to have been slower as well. Examining the diversity within the R1bi subclade suggests the TMRCA is around 3357 years bp (SD 954)
for this group using 50% threshold for TMRCA.
Combining these suggests R1bi
diverged from SWAMH approximately
6500 years bp. Obviously, this is inconsistent with the estimate above and is a
function of the fuzziness of the branching process (and probably my use of
statistics). The observed pattern suggests a small introduction around 3400
years bp followed by a slower expansion. Alternatively, representatives of a previously
rare haplotype, within the existing Scottish population, more slowly expanded
in numbers. The evidence is inconclusive at this point.
Table 2. TMRCA estimates
derived from http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html
for selected modal haplotypes from SWAMH R1b using a mutation rate of 0.00069 and 25 years per generation.
Subclade |
TMRCA Estimate |
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50% |
5% |
95% |
comment |
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R1b_DW |
4174 |
2174 |
7130 |
David
Wilson values |
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R1b_KN |
4174 |
2174 |
7130 |
Ken
Nordtvelt values |
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R1a_given |
14000 |
8609 |
21478 |
25
marker |
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I1_given |
24087 |
15652 |
35565 |
25
marker |
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R1a |
12522 |
8261 |
18087 |
37 marker
this analysis |
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R1bcc |
2435 |
1043 |
4783 |
unknown
group? |
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R1bff |
4174 |
2174 |
7130 |
unknown
group? |
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R1bgg |
3565 |
1739 |
6348 |
unknown
group? |
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R1ba |
6783 |
4000 |
10609 |
R1b_DW
equivalent (small group) |
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R1bi |
3565 |
1739 |
6348 |
R1b_KN
equivalent |
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Summary
A semi-independent and more extensive analysis using 37 instead of 25 Y
STR markers from Ysearch has
identified several R1b subgroups previously
identified by others and in the 25 STR phase 1 analysis. It has also identified
several new groups worthy of investigation. The results still need to be
reconciled with geographic origin of surnames and stated origin of ancestors.
In addition more extensive analysis needs to be undertaken of the timing and
pattern of divergence. When both are combined it may be possible to tentatively
assign these individuals to a probable oral or written historical origin.