Songbird Designs has been designing and maintaining websites for 5 years, and I learn something new every time. I don't think there's a 'stopping point' when you have learned everything there is to know about HTML and website construction. It's constantly changing. The pages designed so far are not fancy, nor are they complicated in programming. They are simple, functional websites that serve their purpose to the owner(s). Some of the programs acquainted with and used are: Hot Dog Pro Front Page 98 Photo Express Adobe Illustrator Adobe Photo Shop Paint Shop Pro Sierra Print Artist FTP Programs