The following is an interview with a former member of the Orange Order
As a member of the unionist community and a person who has, in
the past, marched with the Orange Order, it strikes me that there is
a considerable disparity between the 'image' of Orangeism portrayed
by the world media and its reality. TV pictures of huge crowds
venting their anger upon police lines, upon being refused permission
to walk down a road, must indeed strike the stranger to the conflict
in Northern Ireland as somewhat odd. To understand why such an
apparently small issue can come to mean so much, it is necessary to
see that there is an entirely different face to Orangeism, one that
is rarely seen outside Northern Ireland.
It is gravely misleading to present the events stirred up by
contentious parades past Catholic areas as the be-all and end-all of
Orangeism. The vast majority of parades organised by the Orange
Order and its kindred organisations, the Royal Black Preceptory and
the Apprentice Boys of Derry, are uncontentious and, rather than
ending in confrontation, pass off peacefully in what amounts to a
carnival atmosphere. Speaking from personal marching experiences in
the past, I have never on such occasions felt my mind fill at each
new drumbeat with hatred of my Catholic fellow citizens. Instead, I
saw the occasions as celebrations of my culture, my heritage. I
gained from the parades a tremendous sense of cultural belonging
that I rarely felt to the same degree during the rest of the year.
If I felt any 'negative' emotions at all, then those were entirely
defensive in character: I was determined, and I felt we were all
determined, to show that we would not be defeated by the armed force
methods of the Irish Republican Army. If marching was meant to
display anything other than cultural belonging then, for me, its
significance was couched in the spirit of defiance rather than
triumphalism. The face of Orangeism so little seen outside Northern
Ireland, but so often seen inside it, is thus quite different to the
almost predictable media-delivered images that roll round every
July. How, then, does one explain this disparity?
The Orange Order, like many political or religious organisations,
is an umbrella group encompassing within its ranks a variety of
opinions ranging from the moderate to the extreme. It is undoubtedly
possible to point to a number of unsavoury incidents in which
Orangemen and hangers-on have been involved, such as the insult
offered to Catholic dead on a march down the Ormeau Road, Belfast,
in the early 1990s. Also undeniable is the fact that some
youngbloods are stirred by the passions aroused by contentious
parades, and use these as an excuse to commit violent or
intimidatory acts against innocent Catholics. It is, then, true to
say that not all of those who take part in or support parades see
them purely in a cultural or defensive light. There are
unquestionably significant numbers of people who do feel hatred for
Catholics, and wish in some way to demonstrate 'whose country
Northern Ireland really is'. That certain members of the Orange
Institution have tried to dissociate themselves from the despicable
acts of so-called 'loyalist' hangers-on in support of the Orange
cause is, to me at least, simply not good enough. Only outright and
ongoing condemnation of, and active Orange efforts to end,
anti-Catholic violence or intimidation associated with contentious
marches will suffice to acquit the Order of all blame. The picture
is not quite so bleak as the above might suggest, however. There are
those within Orangeism who recognise the need for agreement with
their Catholic neighbours, and it is becoming increasingly apparent
that a growing section within the Loyal orders is willing to come to
an accommodation with Catholics living along contentious routes,
provided the desire for compromise is genuine on both sides.
Why, one might wonder, don't the Loyal orders simply agree to
call off any and all contentious parades in the interests of
improved community relations? The answer is simpler than one might
think. The anger stirred when Catholic residents deny passage to
Orange marchers is very real, and is not confined to that section of
Orangeism that harbours a hatred of its Catholic fellow citizens.
With so many parades passing off peacefully amidst a carnival-like
atmosphere, it is scarcely surprising that some Orangemen should ask
themselves why Catholics should object to a peaceful parade,
celebrating an alternative tradition to their own, that will only
take several minutes at most to pass. Catholics, of course, will
reply with legitimate arguments of their own, as seen elsehwere on
this site - arguments that parades cause inconvenience, offence,
fear, tension, sometimes violence - but this is not to negate the
very genuine feeling of many Orangemen. That one set of views is
legitimate is no reason to negate or dismiss the equally legitimate
concerns of others.
Orangeism carries with it for many Northern Irish Protestants
such cultural significance that it is futile to wish it out of
existence. While it would be wrong to deny that many Orange brethren
require a period of serious reflective contemplation and rethinking
on their future direction, it is equally wrong to condemn out of
hand an institution that is composed, for the most part, of very
ordinary, decent people who wish simply to celebrate their culture,
and show their determination to uphold it in the face of perceived
threat.
From what I've heard, many of the songs that
are sung in parades are threatening to the Catholic community, and
that bands that accompany the parades carry Loyalist paramilitary
flags. Is there truth in this?
Yes, indeed there is, sadly enough, some degree of
truth in it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that "many" of the songs
that are played by bands taking part in parades are overtly
threatening, though many are indeed 'Protestant' in their lyrical
content. Unfortunately, you are completely right about another one
of your points: some of the bands that march with the Orange Order
do carry loyalist paramilitary flags. The bands are almost entirely
separate entities and not part of the OO itself. Having said that, I
personally object to the OO associating with bands that carry
paramilitary emblems of any kind. On the other hand, it is a sad
fact that, if it didn't, it would find 'good' non-sectarian bands
fairly hard come by. A good compromise solution, so far as I
envisage it, would be for bands to play the same tunes (since most
people don't actually know the lyrics) but drop the sectarian
paramilitary trappings. One positive aspect that can be taken from
all this is that in compromises that have been made with Catholic
residents' groups in the past, it has generally been agreed that
non-controversial tunes would be played by the bands on contentious
marches, and that no paramilitary flags would be carried.
Looking from it from a (possible) Irish Catholic
point of view, the Ulster Scots have had the upper hand in Ireland
since at least the 17th century...
Okay, that's a fair summary, inasumch as anybody can
summarise a few centuries in a sentence!
Considering the history of Protestant/Ulser Scot
ascendancy, when you as a Unionist talk about defiance, doesn't your
defiance inherently include defiance against changing a system that
has involved economic and policing inequalities?
Not necessarily. Changing the system doesn't mean
breaking the Union. When I marched, I didn't know anything about
socio-economic disparities between Catholics and Protestants; my
defiance was directed purely against what I saw as an "enemy" trying
to undermine my right to celebrate my culture -- indeed (as I saw
it) my right to exist in my own country. Call it paranoia if you
like, but that was my genuine perception. That enemy was not the
ordinary Catholic, but the armed Republican. There are many within
the OO who I think hold similar beliefs to that. My beliefs have
changed since those times when I used to parade, but I can
understand why some people still hold ideas that I once held. Also,
now that legislative action is ongoing against Catholic
disadvantage, there is less cause to believe that defence of
Unionism necessarily amounts to defence of discriminatory practices.
Some Unionists will deny the existence of discrimination; others
will agree that it did exist, but does not any longer. I on the
other hand will go further: I will admit that, even now, a certain
degree of discrimination still persists -- however, I believe that
it is gradually being eliminated. I believe there is nothing
inconsistent in supporting Unionism and opposing discrimination.
Personally, I believe in a Northern Ireland where all, Catholic and
Protestant, enjoy equality of citizenship and opportunity -- so I'm
a firm supporter of the current peace process. Unfortunately, I have
to say that there has not been enough of an effort made by Unionists
to stress their opposition to any and all inequality. I hope that
that has begun to change, but only time will tell. As I say, I'm on
the liberal end of the unionist spectrum, and very opposed to those
Orange Order members who simply shout "no surrender" and expect
everyone to agree with their world view. Luckily, it seems that
there are now some within the Order who realise that changing times
demand changing solutions.
Do you believe that the Irish Republican Army or
any of the Republican movement wants to put an end to the tradition
that the Orange Order, at it's best as you said, is representing the
Ulster Scot tradition, or do they want to end the long standing
issue of inequality?
Hmmm...I'm not the best person to ask for an objective
look at the IRA,even though I've come to understand republican views
better in recent years. I believe that some IRA members would be
quite happy to see the demise of the OO, since they see it as
something akin to the KKK. They probably don't realise that it has a
'best' side. Also, while they may pay some lip-service to the
Ulster-Scots tradition, I haven't seen Republicans doing anything
serious to reach out to it. Of course, it would be wrong of me to
say that many republicans do not wish to see genuine equality...but
it is, in my view, an equality defined by their particular agenda,
an agenda that has so far failed to understand the fears of the
Unionist people. How the IRA hoped to secure a harmonious, united
Ireland through bombings and shootings I don't know. It simply made
Unionists even less willing to change, made them associate reform
with surrender. Not that I am claiming that Unionism sufficiently
understands Republican concerns either -- it does not. Unionists
should have been able to address Catholic grievances without
believing they were bowing to the IRA. After all, only a minority of
Catholics supported violence. In the end, the fact is that no "side"
is blameless, whatever the previous history of the Irish people. In
the last 30 years, everybody has committed terrible deeds. That's
why I make the point that Catholic residents have legitimate
concerns regarding Orange parades. It's very hard to condemn one
side without saying something equally uncomplimentary about the
other. Gone are the days when I could simply shout a slogan and be
satisfied with it.
Regarding your statement about compromise, I know
that some members of the Catholic community consider that,
considering the past (and maybe present) social climate of Ireland,
especially Ulster and the position held by the Ulster Scots, that
what you see as compromise they see as yet another humiliation. In
other words, what you would see as a compromise, they might see as
yet another demand to 'give in to the old boss'.
That is undoubtedly the case; however, Catholics, in
demanding equality for all, must realise that even (as they see it)
their old 'boss' must be accorded the same rights as they are. Many
of the routes for Orange marches that Catholics now object to are
indeed traditional routes, along which the topography has changed.
Areas which were once solidly Protestant in composition are now
Catholic. OO members don't see any reason to change their routes in
that light, but Catholics feel that they must. The solution, in the
end, is a compromise that involves a limited march, without the
playing of any sectarian songs or the brandishing of any sectarian
flags. Something is needed that will respect Catholic rights without
dismissing Orange culture. That is why I believe Orangemen *must*
negotiate with Catholic residents, although without, though those
residents must not demand that all parades through the area cease.
Their disagreement with Orange traditions is not sufficient reason
to stop those traditions.
Do you consider yourself 'Irish'?
Most definitely, although I am also British. There's no
incompatibility between the two. Nobody will take my Irishness away
from me, and even if it is different in character from the Irishness
of some others (i.e. Gaelic or whatever), it is still as legitimate
as other conceptions of what it means to be Irish.
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