Testimony of Dale J. Billam

8			THE COURT:	All right. Show the jury’s
9	back, all present.
10		Again, thank you for your patience. We’ve had
11	some evidentiary matters to discuss with counsel before we
12	resume. Call your next witness for the State.
13			MR. CORGAN:	Your Honor, the State would
14	call at this time Mr. Dale Billam.
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16			DALE J. BILLAM
17	after having been duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole
18	truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as follows:
19			DIRECT EXAMINATION
20			THE COURT: Please go ahead.
21	BY MR. CORGAN:
22	Q	Please state your name, sir.
23	A	My name is Dale J. Billam.
24	Q	Mr. Billam, what is your business, profession, or
25	occupation?

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1	A	I’m senior counsel for Phillips Petroleum Company.
2	Q	And what is a senior counsel? Would you explain
3	that, please, sir?
4	A	Well, senior counsel is someone who’s been with the
5	company a number of years and had a number of years
6	experience in their particular area of practice.
7	Q	And what is your particular area, please, sir?
8	A	I represent the corporate staffs of Phillips
9	Petroleum Company and do mostly finance and SCC work.
10	Q	You are an attorney?
11	A	Yes.
12	Q	Would you tell us, Mr. Billam, how long you’ve been
13	employed with Phillips Petroleum Company?
14	A	Since February 1st, 1977.
15	Q	Mr. Billam, would you tell the Court and the jury how
16	it is you came to be involved in this case?
17	A	Representing the corporate staffs, one of which is
18	corporate comptrollers, I received a call from Jim Kelly
19	after the announcement of the arrest of Mr. Allen.
20		And he asked me for advice on what to do about
21	the material in Mr. Allen’s cubical.
22	Q	And what type material would that entail or involve?
23	A	There were both personal and business items in his
24	cubical, his desk, and other surroundings.
25	Q	And was there any discussion about materials on

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1	either his computer or what’s known as PROF notes?
2	A	Yes, there was. After discussion with Mr. Kelly,
3	corporate comptroller, and Jerry Bork, Mr. Allen’s
4	supervisor, Mr. Bork requested that IS Security, that is
5	Information Security, lock access to Mr. Allen’s computer
6	and electronic files.
7	Q	Well, what do you mean by “lock access"?
8	A	There is a mechanism that the computer people can
9	activate that I don’t know the technical nature of which
10	prevents anyone, except them, from accessing those files.
11	Q	And what type files would those entail?
12	A	Supposedly, only business files.
13	Q	And was that done?
14	A	Yes, sir, it was.
15	Q	When was that done?
16	A	I’m sorry. I can’t remember the date on which that
17	was done.
18	Q	Can you give us an approximate date?
19	A	July.
20	Q	On what year?
21	A	Of 1990.
22	Q	Now, sometime subsequent to those files being locked,
23	did you receive a subpoena from the State of Oklahoma for
24	certain records?
25	A	Yes. Mr. John Williford, associate general counsel

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1	for the Legal Department, received a subpoena in regard to
2	this matter and passed it to me for further handling. And
3	the subpoena was dated August 3rd, 1990.
4	Q	I’m sorry. What was that date?
5	A	August 3rd, 1990.
6	Q	And what did that subpoena request?
7	A	It requested Phillips Petroleum Company to provide
8	any personal information that may have been on Mr. Allen’s
9	computer or electronic files, plus certain other data
10	about leave, time off records.
11	Q	Now, do you make a distinction, Mr. Billam, when you
12	talk about computer versus electronic files?
13	A	No.
14	Q	And after receiving that subpoena, did you do
15	something in regard to retrieving that information for the
16	State of Oklahoma?
17	A	Yes, I did. On the PROF system, which is an IBM
18	software package put on one of Phillips main frame
19	computers, you can if you have either a terminal or a
20	personal computer connected to the main frame, you can
21	access what is called PROF’s.
22		It’s an electronic mail system used to
23	communicate between various employees.
24		Only a person with the access code -- and each
25	one has a personalized access code -- can get into their

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1	particular files, electronic files.
2		Because of that, I could not access it directly.
3	So I went over to our IS Security, and they have a method
4	which allowed me to which would give me additional
5	access to Mr. Allen’s PROF’s notes.
6		I gained access to his PROF notes and had them
7	printed.
8	Q	Now, in regard to the information that the State
9	sought through its subpoena, what type information was the
10	State requesting?
11	A	The State requested the personal what would be
12	personal information, if any, on the PROF’s electronic
13	files.
14	Q	And how was it determined what was personal and what
15	was not personal in regard to the PROF’s files?
16	A	I made the determination by going through all of the
17	printed notes seeing what was business and what was
18	personal and picked out the ones that I thought were
19	personal.
20	Q	And then did you furnish that information to anyone?
21	A	I furnished the information to you and to Mr.
22	Carlson.
23	Q	And tell us exactly or tell the Court and the jury,
24	please, what it is that you provided to both of us.
25	A	I provided you copies of what I deemed to be the

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1	personal electronic -- personal PROF’s notes on his PROF’s
2	file, a copy of his leave -- or Mr. Allen’s leave records,
3	a copy of Miss Debbe Aubrey’s leave records, and certain
4	comparison time-off sheets.
5	Q	Was there any type of index provided with that?
6	A	Yes, there was.
7	Q	And what was the purpose of that?
8	A	The index contained an itemized listing of every
9	PROF’s note, both personal and business.
10	Q	And what was the purpose of supplying that index?
11	A	I wanted to make sure that if you had any questions
12	about what I’d furnished just based on the title of the
13	document, you could come back and ask me for it.
14	Q	How was that particular index generated?
15	A	The index was generated when the PROF’S notes were
16	printed. It was printed first.
17	Q	Can you tell us in its entirety how many pages there
18	was of index?
19	A	I think -- may I refer to my letter to you?
20	Q	Yes.
21	A	The index was Roman numeral I through Roman numeral
22	XI.
23	Q	How many pages in toto were the complete set of PROF
24	notes?
25	A	I believe there were 194 pages.

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1	Q	And that would be both Phillips’ business and then
2	what you designated as personal matters; is that correct?
3	A	Yes.
4	Q	Now, you did not supply us with the information that
5	you determined pertained to Phillips’ business; is that
6	correct?
7	A	That’s correct.
8	Q	Now, have you -- are you here today in pursuant to
9	subpoena?
10	A	Yes, sir.
11	Q	And do you have those records that you’ve told us
12	about?
13	A	Yes, sir.
14	Q	And at my request, did you go through what you
15	determined to be the personal correspondence in the PROF
16	notes between Steven Allen and Debra Aubrey?
17	A	Yes.
18	Q	And what did you do in regard to those notes?
19	A	I made a copy and an index of them.
20	Q	And did you do anything in regard to putting them in
21	any type of order?
22	A	Yes. They’re in chronological order.
23	Q	And do you have those with you today?
24	A	Ido.
25	Q	Do you have the originals with you today?

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1	A	I do.
2	Q	And at my request, did you make a copy of the
3	original of those notes placing them in chronological
4	order?
5	A	Yes, I did.
6	Q	Would you produce that copy at this time?
7	A	(The witness complied with the request).
8	Q	Mr. Billam, I’ll hand you now what you have
9	 previously handed me and has now been marked as State’s
10	Exhibit Number 60 for identification purposes.
11		You’ll notice, sir, that there is a yellow sheet
12	that I did not attach to that exhibit. Would you agree
13	with that?
14	A	Yes.
15	Q	What is that yellow sheet?
16	A	The yellow sheet was prepared at my request by my
17	legal assistant, Marsha Keppy, listing all of the notes
18	between Mr. Allen and Miss Aubrey in chronological order
19	and stating what page it was according to the index, what
20	time it was sent, and whether it was from or to the
21	particular person.
22	Q	And was that prepared to assist you in putting the
23	notes in the order that I requested?
24	A	Yes, sir.
25	Q	Now, Mr. Billam, in regard to State’s Exhibit Number

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1	60, would you tell us, please, sir, how many pages that
2	document consists of?
3	A	Thirty-two pages.
4	Q	And would that be a true and accurate copy of the
5	original of those notes?
6	A	Yes, sir.
7			MR. CORGAN:	Your Honor, at this time, we’d
8	move the admission of State’s Exhibit Number 60.
9			MR. CARLSON:	Your Honor, we’d stand on our
10	previous record.
11			THE COURT:	Let me see which one that is.
12	State 60 allowed.
13			MR. CORGAN:	Your Honor, if I might, even
14	though we do have kind of a clip, I’m going to attempt to
15	paper clip this so we might keep them in their proper
16	order.
17			THE COURT:	You may have to get a larger
18	clip.
19			MR. CORGAN:	Judge, maybe I’ll do that
20	later.
21	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Billam, I hand you now what’s
22	been admitted as State’s Exhibit Number 60.
23		I’d like to ask you some questions, sir, to help
24	explain the notes, okay?
25	A	(Mr. Billam nodded his head up and down).

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1	Q	First of all, for those of us that are not familiar
2	with the PROF system, can you explain in a little more
3	detail how that operates?
4	A	I’ll do the best I can. The system, like I said, is
5	available to anyone that’s an employee of Phillips that
6	has either a terminal or a personal computer that’s
7	connected to one of our IBM main frame computers.
8		By typing from a keyboard and putting in a
9	person’s designated code, you can send a message to that
10	person electronically.
11		For example, my particular code is #6CA, it’s a
12	pound key, then a six, then the letters “CA.”
13		Anybody that directs a note to me under that
14	designation, it will come and show up on a listing of
15	mail.
16		By entering -- pushing a certain key, I can
17	cause that particular note to come up on a screen and read
18	it.
19		You can do several things with that note. You
20	can delete it, in which case, it will be deleted from the
21	system.
22		And if you do it the same day it’s received, it
23	will not be stored on a backup system.
24		If you delete it the day after it’s received, it
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1	erased.
2		Or you can store it. If you don’t punch delete
3	and you just open it by calling it up on the screen,
4	reading it, and then don’t do anything else, it will
5	remain in a file called an active file.
6	Q	In that regard, in regard to State’s Exhibit Number
7	60, what type file did these 32 pages come. from?
8	A	These came out of the PROF’s active file of Mr.
9	Allen.
10	Q	Now, Mr. Billam, let’s assume for a moment that I
11	know your number, SCA, right?
12	A	Uh-huh.
13	Q	And I have determined that I want to write a note for
14	you.
15	A	For me?
16	Q	Yes. I have decided for whatever reason that I’m
17	going to write a note under the name of 6CA. Can I do
18	that?
19	A	According to my understanding of the system, you may
20	not.
21	Q	And why not?
22	A	If you write it and you 6CA, the way the system is
23	set up, it will show it came from you, not from me,
24	because of the separation of electronic identifying codes
25	in the system.

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1	Q	Is there any type, other than your number, 6CA, is
2	there any type of password thing that has to be used with
3	the PROF’S notes?
4	A	Yes, there is. There’s a personalized log-on code.
5	Q	And is that different from this 6CA?
6	A	Yes, it is.
7	Q	Who determines what that password is?
8	A	The individual having the terminal or the personal
9	computer, and it changes every so many days.
10	Q	And how does it change?
11	A	If it goes past the expiration date, which can be
12	from 30 to 60 days, you try to log on to your terminal and
13	your computer using that key phrase, and it says it has
14	expired and will not permit you to log on to the system,
15	that is, the enter the system, until you choose a new
16	password.
17	Q	And is that something the user chooses?
18	A	Yes, it is.
19	Q	When in the course of sending a message do you put
20	the password in?
21	A	You put the entry password in when you get onto the
22	system. For example, let’s suppose that your password is
23	“apple.”
24		You punch up the kind of system that you want;
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1	you would have to type in “apple” if that was your
2	password.
3	Q	And from that point then, you put in your code number
4	and do whatever you want to; is that right?
5	A	That’s correct.
6	Q	Now, Mr. Billam, I don’t want you necessarily to get
7	into the subject matter of the notes.
8		But I would like to take the first page just as
9	an example. And if you would, I’m going to ask you some
10	questions if you could explain the various designations on
11	those, okay? For example, on page 1
12	A	Uh-huh.
13	Q	-- of State’s Exhibit Number 60, there’s some writing
14	that says printed 8-8-90. Can you tell me what that
15	means.
16	A	That was the date that I caused the original to be
17	printed from the computer.
18	Q	And then to the left, there’s some information that
19	says “Note Log: NOTE." Then it has a time period. Do
20	you see that?
21	A	Yes.
22	Q	What is that?
23	A	The note log just tells what kind of log it is; and,
24	apparently, this one has been named NOTE.
25		And the period refers to the time that’s covered

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1	by the printed files. That is the dates shown 12-28-89
2	through 8-8-90.
3	Q	And is that something that was generated as a result
4	of you printing out this information?
5	A	Yes, it is.
6	Q	Okay. Now, underneath, it says “SMG (sic) FROM,” and
7	then it has #4XK. And then it has some numbers, and then
8	it says “TO: #6HP,” some more letters and a date and
9	time. Would you explain to us what that is?
10	A	As I understand what it means, it’s a message from
11	#4XK. 4XK is the designation code of Stephen Allen, his
12	user ID number.
13		I do not know what the letters “BVOVl” following
14	it mean.
15		The numbers following the word “TO;,” being #6HP
16	is the ID code of Debbe Aubrey.
17		Again, I do not know what BVOV1 means following
18	it.
19		And then the time and date are just the date
20	that the message was sent and the time it was sent.
21	Q	So if I, as I go through State’s Exhibit Number 60,
22	if I look at that, that line that says “MSG FROM,”
23	whenever I see from 4XK to 6HP, what would that designate
24	to you?
25	A	It would mean to me that it was a message from Mr.

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1	Allen to Miss Aubrey.
2	Q	And would the date and the time also reflect that was
3	when that message was sent?
4	A	Yes.
5	Q	How did those dates and times get onto the PROF
6	system? Do you know?
7	A	As far as I know, they’re just generated
8	automatically.
9		When you type in a message and then push the
10	button that causes it to be sent to the person that’s
11	suppose to receive the note, it’s all done automatically.
12	You don’t have to enter it.
13	Q	Then from that line, we would go into the message
14	itself; is that correct?
15	A	Correct.
16	Q	And how is that broken up?
17	A	It has a to line. In this case, it repeats the line
18	above, To: #6HP, and then the letters and numbers I don’t
19	understand, and then the person’s name, in this case,
20	Debbe, spelled D-E-B-B-E, Aubrey, A-U-B-R-E-Y.
21		And then it has “FROM,” And you can set up the
22	“FROM” designation several ways.
23		In this case, it’s set up Steve Allen; his
24	interoffice address, 240 PBA; his interoffice extension,
25	EXT 1-8884; and his user ID number #4XK.

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1	Q	And after that, we have the text of the message; is
2	that correct?
3	A	Correct.
4	Q	Now, I notice at the very bottom of the first page of
5	State’s Exhibit Number 60, it says “Note Log: NOTE.”
6		Then to the right-hand side of that, it says
7	“Page 7.” Can you explain what that means?
8	A	As far as I know, the words “Note Log: NOTE” is just
9	a re-reference to the top of the page telling what log it
10	came from because you can have different files within the
11	system.
12		The page 7 in this case refers to the page
13	number from the printed matter in this particular set of
14	files that were printed from 1 to 194 or so; and this
15	happens to be page 7 of that print.
16	Q	So if we were to go through these entire 32 pages, I
17	would find page numbers on each one; is that correct?
18	A	That’s correct.
19	Q	And, for example, the second page bears the page
20	number what designation?
21	A	Forty-two.
22	Q	And then page three bears what designation?
23	A	Forty-three.
24	Q	And, if I understand correctly, all that tells us is
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1	printing out the entire 190-some-odd pages; is that
2	correct?
3	A	That’s correct.
4	Q	Now, if we want to know the chronological flow of the
5	messages in regard to State’s Exhibit Number 60, how do we
6	determine that? -
7	A	You would have to go to the underlined line and refer
8	to the date and the time.
9	Q	And is that what you’ve referred to that you told us
10	the system puts in automatically?
11	A	Yes.
12	Q	Mr. Billam, I believe that’s all I have as to State’s
13	Exhibit Number 60.
14		Did you have occasion as a result of the State’s
15	subpoena to prepare any other records?
16	A	Yes. I -- which subpoena are you referring to, sir?
17	Q	Well, let’s talk about that first subpoena?
18	A	The first subpoena, we also found what were material
19	other than business on what would be called a hard disk.
20	Mr. Allen had a personal computer at his work station.
21		These were found by Mr. Max Patton, who was a
22	colleague and co-worker of Mr. Allen’s, when he went to
23	use the hard disk because someone needed to do the work
24	while Mr. Allen was absent from work.
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1	duplicate of that hard disk, which is an integral part of
2	the computer, was made.
3		Actually, two copies were made on floppy disks.
4	One of them was taken over to Information Security and
5	read and a print made of it.
6	Q	Now, what was done in regard to securing the items on
7	the hard disk?
8	A	At the time we secured the PROF’s files, the hard
9	disk -- the computer itself was secured by locking it and
10	the key given to Mr. Jerry Bork, Mr. Allen’s supervisor.
11	Q	Mr. Billam, you’re going to have to bear with me
12	because I’m not much of a computer whiz.
13		You’ve told us about the hard disk. If I
14	understand, that’s a tangible object that’s inside the
15	personal computer; is that right?
16	A	That’s my understanding also.
17	Q	And stored on that is certain information.
18	A	Correct.
19	Q	Now, is that different in some way from the storing
20	mechanism for the PROF’s notes?
21	A	Yes, sir, it is. The PROF’s notes are stored over in
22	our main computer system. They’re not stored, as I
23	understand it, on the hard disk.
24	Q	So to simply it for me, if I want to access as the
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1	to the main computer; and that retrieves it from there?
2	A	That’s my understanding, yes.
3	Q	Now, did the State request from you in regard to the
4	information Well, strike that.
5		What did the State request from you in regard to
6	information from the hard disk?
7	A	The subpoena of August 3rd, 1990, states:
8			Any information on Phillips computer used
9			by Mr. Stephen Allen that is unrelated to
10			Phillips Petroleum Company business.
11		On that particular computer, as I said, there
12	was found what we thought was personal business not
13	related to Phillips.
14		And we caused a print to be made of that
15	particular information.
16	Q	Tell me how that happened and how you were able to
17	determine personal information versus Phillips
18	information.
19	A	If I may read from my letter to you?
20	Q	Please.
21	A	Because of Mr. Allen’s arrest, it was
22		determined that the hard disk should be
23		read for personal versus Phillips business
24		as we needed to use the business
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1		performed by Mr. Allen. This task was done
2		by Max Patton, one of the members of Mr.
3		Bork’s staff, who read the file names. At
4		the time the disk files were read, it was
5		determined that there were certain files on
6		the disk which appeared to be personal in
7		nature. These files believed by Mr. Patton
8		to be personal were accessed by him (except
9		one marked, quote, “letter-Sandra”) but not
10		read completely. Upon the discovery of the
11		apparent personal material on the hard
12		disk, a duplicate was made and kept by Mr.
13		Bork in his office under lock and key.
14		Pursuant to your subpoena, I obtained the
15		duplicate hard disk from Mr. Bork, took it
16		to our Information Service Security people,
17		had the personal material read
18		electronically and printed. A copy of that
19		material will also be brought with me to
20		District Court.
21	Q	And you received a similar type subpoena for your
22	appearance here today; is that correct?
23	A	That is correct.
24	Q	Now, Mr. Billam, you said something about the file
25	names were read.

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1	A	That’s correct.
2	Q	Can you explain to me what you mean by that?
3	A	You’re allowed to store on your hard disk -- and you
4	could do it otherwise if you were in the main frame
5	computer -- information segregated by file name.
6	Q	And what is the purpose for that?
7	A	The purpose of that is to organize the information in
8	whatever is most usable to you.
9	Q	And these file names were read?
10	A	Yes, sir.
11	Q	And was there any type of index prepared as a result
12	of that?
13	A	Yes, sir, there was.
14	Q	And who prepared that?
15	A	It’s my understanding that this particular index was
16	prepared in part by Mr. Bork, and it has some writing on
17	it by I believe Mr. Andy Sundene of Information Security
18	Services.
19	Q	And what was the purpose of this particular index?
20	A	The purpose of the particular index is to show what
21	was on the particular hard disk and to determine whether
22	it was personal or business.
23	Q	And how many items were on the particular hard disk?
24	Can you tell us?
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1	the people who read the disk and caused it to be
2	printed -- who, it’s my understanding, was Mr. Andy
3	Sundene -- there are 26 items.
4	Q	And did I ask you to prepare for me a copy of the
5	index as well as certain pages corresponding to that
6	index?
7	A	Yes, sir, you did.
8	Q	And do you have a copy of that with you at this time?
9	A	Ido.
10	Q	Would you produce that, please?
11	A	(The witness complied with the request).
12	Q	Mr. Billam, I’ll hand you now, sir, what’s been
13	marked as State’s Exhibit Number 61 for identification
14	purposes.
15		And I’d ask you, sir, to examine that and state
16	for the record what that is.
17	A	This is a copy made by my secretary, reviewed by me,
18	of the index page, what has been designated as items 15,
19	16, 17, 21, 22, 25, 26 according to the numbers appearing
20	on the index.
21	Q	And can you tell me how many total pages State’s
22	Exhibit Number 61 consists of?
23	A	Eleven, including the index.
24	Q	And would that be a true and accurate copy of the
25	original of that information?

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1	A	Yes.
2	Q	I missed some of the numbers. Would you tell me,
3	please, sir, again what numbers are included, what page
4	numbers are included with the index?
5	A	There are no pages numbers. The numbers being
6	referred to are the numbers referenced in the index
7	opposite the item.
8		And those numbers are number 15, number 16,
9	number 17, number 21, number 22, number 25, and number 26.
10			MR. CORGAN:	Your Honor, at this time, we’d
11	move the admission of State’s Exhibit 61.
12			MR. CARLSON:	Same announcement as on
13	Exhibit 60, Your Honor.
14			THE COURT:	Let me see that. Sixty-one
15	allowed.
16	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Billam, I’ve handed you again
17	what’s been marked and admitted now as State’s Exhibit
18	Number 61.
19		And just so I’m clear, would you tell us again
20	the relationship between the first page on State’s Exhibit
21	Number 61 and the numbered items that follow?
22	A	As I understand it, the index, which was prepared by
23	Mr. Bork and the numbers added by Mr. Andy Sundene, just
24	correspond to the information that was under the file
25	name.

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1		For example, there is a file by the name of
2	Minutes 9; and that’s been assigned number 5 by Mr.
3	Sundene.
4		And whatever information was under that file
5	name was what was printed.
6	Q	Now, Minutes 9 is not something that we included; is
7	that correct?
8	A	That’s correct.
9	Q	So if I look at the index against the numbered pages,
10	that will show me the file name for that particular number
11	that is printed out following.
12	A	That’s correct.
13			MR. CORGAN:	I believe that’s all I have at
14	this time, Your Honor.
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16			CROSS-EXAMINATION
17	BY MR. CARLSON:
18	Q	Mr. Billam, could you tell us the date on which
19	that -- those particular items were first furnished to
20	anyone outside of Phillips, please, sir?
21	A	If I heard your question correctly, Mr. Carlson, that
22	information was first furnished to people outside of
23	Phillips under the cover of my letter dated August 10th,
24	1990.
25	Q	Thank you, sir.

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1			MR. CARLSON:	That’s all we have, Your
2	Honor.
3			THE COURT:	Is that all then?
4			MR. CORGAN:	Yes.
5			THE COURT:	Thank you, Mr. Billam.
6		(AN OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSION WAS HELD AT THE
7		BENCH BY COURT AND COUNSEL, AFTER WHICH THE
8		FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS CONTINUED)
9			THE COURT: As we discussed the other day,
10	we’re going to break at this time and come back at one
11	o’clock.
12		Again, please refrain from discussing the case
13	or allow it to be mentioned around you. Recess till one
14	o’clock.
15		And, again, we’re breaking today probably
16	early -- at least by 4:00 if not earlier today. I think
17	we’ll probably be coming back in the morning. Till one
18	o’clock then.
19		(A RECESS WAS TAKEN FOR THE NOON HOUR, AFTER
20		WHICH THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS CONTINUED IN
21		THE PRESENCE AND HEARING OF THE JURY)
22			THE COURT: All right. Show the jury back,
23	all present. I’ll remind the people that are spectators
24	watching, you should not converse with the jury at any
25	time. State call its next witness.

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