Ahmed Diwan con fessing up Friday, January 28, 2000. My dear Ahmed, Does that mean that you wish that Congress patterns themselves on saffron simian patently absurd model of Hindutva? What if they do and do it better, they are not dead yet? They could take whatever right wing Vallabhbhai campers right out of the saffron shit loaders, wouldn't they? After all, the need for power is common to the ex Congress members who darted to the BJP camp as much as for those who betted against all odds and stayed behind. This Ayaram Gayaram politics is what made the current apparition of saffron simians. The claims made by Vitthal Gadgil are not true about Shudras taking their political baskets, begging bowls to saffron saints of doubtful virtues. Shudras are making wise decisions and figuring for themselves which horse is going to win and which dead horse like Congress to shun. That happens all the time. There is something called Reagan Democrats in the good old USA. This yuppie group votes both Republican and democratic in different elections. It never bothered the true democrats. Saffronites made false claims about Muslim pockets voting for them. They even have you, Muslim name and all in their corner shoveling shit. Does that translate into a total turn around for Muslim vote bank? Hardly. You are hero to the brazen Brahmins. As a matter of fact you are a freak that they parade around and get some more mileage for their monkey business. Your totally unethical, immoral opinions on everything including the things you absolutely do not know are worth as much as the Zandewalan shit you distribute. Your opinions may fertilize some Brahmin gardens but it cannot be an item on the dining table. Of Despots and Desi Shit Pots I am not talking our resident RSS rodent, Ahmed Diwan. Though the description fits like a glove. I am talking the recent down slide of the so called democracy as a choice of governing for two neighboring countries forever at each other's throats over Kashmir disputed territory. Pakistan never established a democracy and whatever model of sick apparition of democracy may have in India both are on the verge of being either despotic or Demonic, given the current thinking. I think the world has seen enough of Pakistan's death throes. I, personally, think that Pakistan may prove to be more dangerous dead than alive for the fascists of India who are literally walking in and taking charge of the legitimately elected governments in state where they have majority, as in Gujarat and at Delhi, where they are masterminding a diabolic plot to overthrow the very constitution they have taken a solemn oath to defend. The cat is out of the bag and there is no way in the hell anyone can deny what I have been yelling and screaming for such a long that RSS hoodlums cannot be trusted, not for a minute. Gujarat case is unique as the opposition is so weak and scattered. In Delhi it is not that bad. One or two of the ruling coalition may put an end to this feces fascist takeover if they have enough guts left in them. Hitler did follow the same route of wining elections and taking the whole Bundestag over in few swift and decidedly anti democratic methods. These rascals of RSS kind have no love for the country. These bastards fly their parochial flags and worship their ding bat Mafia don ahead of any and all gods. Why would they bother to obey the current or the future modified constitution? These bastards lie at the every step they take, make up glory stories by bushels and buckets. Claim more patriotism than average Indian citizen as if it is some kind of beauty contest or something of that nature. As they say that woman is either pregnant or she ain't, that principle does not apply to patriotism. Anyone who chooses a religion or a political and social philosophy currently practiced and accepted as such is patriot, not just the Hindu hoodlums beating their chests and breasts pointing accusing fingers at anyone who do not fall in line and do the exact same thing as they do. Pakistan's days of democracy are clearly over as military men are muddling, perhaps meddling in the political arena for which they have absolutely no training. In India the political, religious and social thought police are scanning the universe and marking their territories before they actually scoop down like vultures that they are and feast on the flesh. This time they are not waiting for the carcasses, dead bodies, they are making sure that anything that is living and breathing is snuffed out, constitution included. As a former chief minister of Gujarat Chhabildas laments that these saffron shenanigans are leading the nation to a Hitler and Mussolini type dictatorship unless the people of India arrest the progress of this heinous Hindu, Brahmin conspiracy. Atal Behari Vajpayee wants to set up a commission to evaluate the constitution. Fine and dandy with me. Usually such commissions go nowhere, starting from nowhere. Indian citizens are safe. What if such contrived and convoluted logic turns a ruse wherein the said commission takes off on saffron ideology and instead of being fair turns foul? Isn't this a Banana Republic method of legitimizing the dictatorial ambitions of Zandewalan cabal? Why not have a referendum on this delicate issue? Let the people decide whether any inquiry, any commission any finding of the experts is going to be acceptable to them before such organ grinder and a monkey show takes to the road? Thanks to the BBC, New York Times, Indiaworld and Hindu news and editorials dated January 27 and January 28, 2000. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_620000/620915.stm http://www.nyt.com/library/world/asia/012800pakistan-us.html http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/05282523.htm http://www.indiaworld.com/ http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/01280003.htm Sid Harth..."RSS Brahmins are treading in where angels in the heaven dare not thru back doors and thru front doors with fake and front fascists organizations and small and large saffron simian societies, I be damned." DIWAN AHMED ahmeddiwan@home.com wrote in message news:38910DDD.A024AA63@home.com... At least somebody is talking sense in Congress. Boy, hasn't that become a rarity in congress camp? ssmokin@my-deja.com wrote: Discard old shibboleths and dated policies Author: Vittalrao N Gadgil Publication: Maharashtra Times Date: November 21, 1999 (Note: This is a translation of an article that has appeared in a prominent Marathi daily from Mumbai. It is being circulated to give the issues wider publicity, since they are of national importance. Gadgil was, until very recently, the chief national spokesman for the Congress party. He has been a minister in Delhi, under various prime ministers. His father was also a prominent leader of the Congress party.) Quite a few bubbles of expectations were burst by the results of 1999 Parliament elections. The Congress party had hoped to secure 200 seats on the basis of which it aspired to form Government at the Centre. The BJP-led front hoped to get around 350 seats on the strength of the image of Mr. A.B. Vajpayee, the Kargil victory and support of national, smaller and regional parties, These hopes were belied. The Congress image after the results was that it had suffered its worst ever defeat. This prompted the Congress President Sonia Gandhi to emphasise need for stringent introspection, straightforward analysis and strict action. What the Congress does in the next couple of months will determine its states in the 21st Century. The reason for defeat should be subjected to an in-death analysis. It is only superficial to say that the defeat was caused by Atalji's image, political errors in Bihar, Haryana and Tamil Nadu, late and wrong allotment of tickets, use of money, and internecine clashes within the party. The Congress has now been defeated in four consecutive elections. It share of total votes has declined to 30%. That means 70% of the voters have rejected the party on 4 occasions. The inference is obvious. Seventy percent of the voters do not like the ideology of the Congress party, its policies and its programmes. It will need a great deal of moral courage to admit that people had turned their back as Congress ideology, policies and programmes and these need to be changed. For an ordinary Congressman, it will be very painful to accept that the ideology which he cherished for 40-50 years has become irrelevant and outdated. Such anguish was experienced by the Labour Party in England. It was defeated four times in the general elections. After its fourth defeat in 1987 the party decided to face the reality. They started a programme called 'Labour Listens' - meaning the Labour party is prepared to listen to the people. Some 25 to 30 party leaders were deputed to comb the entire country to pinpoint the spots in thinking, ideology, policing and progress where changes were needed. An annual policy review was launched. Tony Blair, 40, was elected the President of the party. It was thought the policy needed middleclass orientation. The middle classes since 1980 had turned to the conservative Party during Margaret Thatcher's govt. Margaret Thatcher created an image by harping identity of interests of the common people and eschewed speaking economic equality and government controls. Mr Blair brought a radical change in the policy programmes, thinking, attitudes and the character of Labour Party giving it a middleclass tilt. After its defeat in 1992, people wondered whether Labour Party would ever come to power again. But the new direction clicked. In the 1997 election Labour Party come back to power with 43% votes and 418 seats. This was the result of superseding anachronistic policies and shibboleths. The Congress can take a leaf out of the book of the Labour Party. A Middle Class of 25 crores, the largest in the world has emerged in this country. Indira Gandhi had floated the slogan of Garibi Hatao. The slogan attracted the poor classes to the Congress and they voted for Congress in 1971. Now these poor classes are included in middle classes because of the Congress policies. They now own televisin, telephone and scooters. But they are no longer enamoured of Congress. They are largely pro-Hindutva. Congress needs to change its programmes, policies and attitudes, like the Labour Party of England, to attract the new middle class voters. This large middle class is politically very important, since it forms the public opinion. Once their economic conditions and living standard improved, they are attracted towards Hindutva and cultural nationalism. The Congress can't afford to ignore this reality. The Congress should also change its perception of BJP. It should > > understand the difference of RSS and Jan Sangh of 50 years ago and the BJP and RSS if today. The perception that BJP is a party of Brahmins and Banias had become totally outdated. Many other backward class people occupy key party positions in BJP. The majority of dalit and tribal seats in Parliament belong to BJP. The Congress can't afford to forget that BJP had mobilised 30,000 dalits for the Karseva in Ayodhya. According to a study undertaken by London Economist, dalits who have had 10 years of education vote for BJP. Majority of the voters are in the age group 18-35. The propaganda that BJP is communal and fascist doesn't cut ice with them because they do not know what is fascism. The language of safeguarding Hindu interests appeals to them. The party which had only two seats in the parliament 14 years ago gets 182 seats in the election this year. This phenomenon warrants deep study. Whether one likes it or not, there is no denying the reality that a very large number of Hindus is attracted towards Hindutva. The Congress should recognise the reality. Protection of minorities is no doubt important. But the majority interest had also to be taken into account. Even if the Congress is able to corner all the votes of the minorities it will get only 18 per cent of votes. Unless it woos the large chunk of the rest of the 82% vote, which is Hindu vote, the party can't dream of coming bad to power: It is not enough analysing why Muslim's don't vote for Congress. Far more important is to analyse why Hindus have been estranged from the Congress. After four consecutive poll defeats, the Labour Party of England started rethinking its ideology and came back to power by winning the 1997 elections. Similarly, after four consecutive election defeats, the Congress should start the process of radical rethinking of its ideology. The Congress ideology has six aspects, Democracy, socialism, secularism, planning, self-dependence and non-alignment. Basic question have cropped up about each of these six aspects. Is parliamentary democracy failure here and will the presidential form of democracy be more appropriate for us? Does the present election system need change? What is the precise role of planning in the context of liberalisation and globalisation? Is it right to think that increased exports should pay for more imports and does self dependence mean that we should produce all goods needed by us? After the cold war, America has emerged as the most powerful nation in the world, the only superpower. There are divisions in the non-aligned movement. It is high time the Congress launches an in-depth thinking within the party on each of these aspects. But socialism and secularism are the two aspects of the Congress ideology which warrant special rethinking. For most of the people, socialism means nationalisation and governmentalisation of all industries; socialism means losses of crores of rupees, inefficient service, overstuffing irresponsible labour unions, white elephants, shrieking, and exploitation of the unorganised sector. The Congress had passed its resolution on socialism in its session at Avadi in 1955. Explaining the significance of the resolution, Jawaharlal Nehru had made a historic and memorable speech. He had said our socialism is not communism. We are not Marxists. We don't believe in the infallibility of theory books. We are not diehards. Socialism for us means to create a society where all enjoy good living. For that we need more production, more affluence. If the public sector industries are able to bring about these, we will raise public sector industries. If it is possible for private sector industries to achieve more production and bring about greater affluence and better living for people, we will encourage them. Because socialism doesn't mean distribution of poverty, Congress should once mere firmly and strongly reiterate these thoughts of Nehru's. The most controversial aspect of the Congress ideology is secularism. For some Congressmen secularism is a mater of faith. The best way to understand ideology of any party is to read the constitution of that party. In the first clause of the Constitution of the Congress it is stated that the aim of the party is to create a socialist state in parliamentary democracy. Nowhere in this clause, or else where in the Congress party's constitution, is the word secularism mentioned. The party's constitution was rewritten after independence and Jawaharlal Nehru played the pivotal role in drafting it. Nehru has not mentioned the word secularism anywhere in the party's constitution. During the freedom struggle, our leaders had made a constitution for free India. The text of this constitution says Sovereign, Democratic, and Republic. The words 'Socialism' and 'Secularism' did not find a place in it. These words were inserted in our constitution in 1976 during the days of the Emergency. Till then these words were found nowhere in the text of India's constitution. The word socialism has gathered a specific meaning in India during the last 50 years. The same is the case with the word secularism. Many Hindus feel that the Congress party secularism means hostility to Hindus and pampering of Muslims. Thousands of Hindus are forced to free from Kashmir. Congress never talks about them. Lakhs of Bangladeshis have infiltrated into India. The Congress has never taken a firm stand on this problem. Pakistan's ISI is spreading its network in India and even our police have confirmed that some local elements here are in league with them and or assisting them. Hindus hold the Congress responsible for grant subsidy for Haj pilgrimage to Muslims. No such consideration is shown to Hindus pilgrims to the shrine of Pashupati in Nepal. If any Congressman raises these issues, no reasoned reply is given. Instead he is branded as a BJP sympathiser. There are a large number of people, particularly in the lower middle classes, who regard Congress party's secularism is biased against Hindus. Nehru's secularism meant a uniform social system where all are treated as equals. That's why the Congress should replace the words socialism and secularism and replace them respectively with works like 'mixed economy' and 'plural society'. The Congress has lived for 100 years because of its capacity to change with the change in times. After independence, the party announced at its Avadi session in 1955 that socialist pattern of society was its goal. In 1959, at the Nagpur session, it was decided to mate co-operative commonwealth as the Party's goal and image. Then only it will live an even proper in 21st century. In the 1944 session of Bhubaneshwar, democratic socialism was fixed as the congress goal. In 1969 session at Bombay it was social justice and economic development. In the 1985 century session of Bombay taking the country in 21st century became the goal of the congress. 1999 is now going to be the decisive year The Congress should discard old shibboleths and old concept and appropriately alter its ideology, policing programmes, character. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Jai Bofors Gungadin Force Friday, January 28, 2000. Holy Hindu Cow! What Now? Brahmin bubbas made Swedish gun manufacturers of celebrated "Bofors artillery guns" a bad word. It is all made spiritual with little sprinkling of Kargil blood, some Sanskrit chanting of war mongering Hindu bible, locally called Gita and a swift turn around from being pathetic corrupt administration of one former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi to prince of pugilism, make it a putrid pugilism, Atal Behari Vajpayee, a prince charming, a poster boy for the Hindu, Brahmin Mafia Devil's dormitory at Zandewalan, Delhi cabal. All is well that ends well, maybe, in the well of feces fascists' wishing well, rather evil welled up in the ancient walled city of Hastinapur, locally called Delhi, for the freedom fighters of Kashmir. The guys are going to get their Muslim heads, turbans and all blown to smithereens by the Swedish fire breathers. This time around there are no Win Chadhas, Hinduja brothers, Rajiv Gandhis and bunch of Chandra Swamis to grease the gun deal. I hope not. Who knows some smart Brahmin computer coolies might have put their hex on the deal so that it may not go hexed, axed, taxed, whatever. Brahmin bubbas do that sort of Brahmin magic, loitering in the corridors of power, all under assumed names and assumed fake identities. We all know how it goes from San Antonio scandal still brewing and blowing in the gentle sandal wood forests of Mysore, don't we? Ask N S R Krishna, Shyam Bhatia, Bhedia, whatever. Thanks for the tip from my good buddy, Rolf Lindahl of the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society. http://di.se/scripts/QSearch/ShowArt.asp?search=/databas/2000/01/28/di0055.htm&key=Bofors http://www.svenska-freds.se Sid Harth..."There is no alternative to the permanent peace between India and Pakistan, anything else is a feces fascist fancy." Back to the top "If not now, when? If not me who?"