OK.

I want to start out by playing a song that I wrote, uh, during the period of time, that we were building the, the pool area out here. And I finished it during the siege. And, um- it was a song- that I'm dedicating to Greg Summers, who was one of us who- one of the people that died here at Mt. Carmel. In the fire. And I'm dedicating it to Greg because, I sat in his room once, he was the first person I ever played it for. And he was very moved by it. He totally related to the experience of the song. It was like Mt. Carmel to me was about an experience, an experience, that people, toward the end of time need to go through. For themselves. And that's what Mt. Carmel was all about for me, as I said, was an experience. And I hope you like this, I call this "The Spirit Song."

Yeah. Like he said, remember I'm a drummer, so give me a break up here, all right?

Boy I'm throwing this one together quickly.

For Greg.

Mind is the soul
Just look in the eye
Can you see the spirit trapped inside
Wanting to fly
Away from your pain
Life goes on but leaves you not the same
All that you desire
What you think you need you really desire
And the rock that you are looking to is purged with fire
Hearts seem to grow cold
And now can't you see the mire
Lifting me higher
Made with dreams

Mind self-aware
Separated from the ones who care
Seen into a part of you that was never there
How many times
Do you have to feel lost inside
When you know what you feel within is only a lie
Holding on to dreams
Manifest? ? reality
When you're living your life in solitude
Nobody sees
Open the door
Sail across the shore
To see what love can be
A voice forever
Calling me

Open the door
Sail across the shore
To see what love can be
A voice forever
Calling me
Calling me

["The Spirit Song" lyrics as written by David Thibodeau]

[applause] It's not easy playing without a strap, so forgive me for, uh, screwing up there.

I wanted to play that because, I think of Greg, and I think of the people that were there- Steve, Dave, Wayne- the list could go on and on- Isaiah, Joseph, some of the children, Serenity, Michelle- And I think about, how together these people were. And how, they shared a common goal, they shared a common sight. And they were all here to study things, they were all here to study the Seven Seals. There were literally people from all over the world who came to Mt. Carmel to study. It wasn't just Americans. We weren't, white separatists, as a lot of people- I, I've actually heard that. There were people from England, there were people from Australia, there were people of every race, every nation represented at Mt. Carmel. When I first came here for Passover- in, um, '91- I remember being, blown away, with, uh, the information that was given over a two-week period at Passover. And I remember being blown away that hundreds and hundreds of people, I think it was around 300 people during this period, my first time- had come, everywhere, to study. And I talked to, Livingstone Fagan, I talked to, um, John McBean, who died in the blaze, I talked to these different people- who'd gone to theological seminaries, they were teachers, they were preachers- Livingstone had his own ministry- he was a, philosopher- these people, were not ignorant, they were not stupid. Steven Schneider, taught comparative religion at the University of Hawaii, they all told me the same, they all told me one thing, about seven different people told me on different occasions, that they learned more from David Koresh about the Bible, than they'd learned, their four, and sometimes five, six years of studying the Book, and paying thousands of dollars to go to these schools. They were literally blown away, with the amount of information they'd received at Mt. Carmel. A lot of people say David Koresh was guilty of mind control. Well, these people- true, they did have ten-hour Bible studies, twelve-hour Bible studies. But these were during, the Passover seasons. And the Atonement seasons. And literally, people would come for the specific reason to study the Bible for ten hours a day. And then they would go back to their country for months at a time. Now that's not the sign of a person who wants to totally have mind control over each and every, every in-, individual; they don't send you away if you've read anything about destructive cults.

So, I think a lot in the press, has been thoroughly unfair. We noticed early on, that the one thing the press kept demonizing David and the people inside for, was child abuse. Child abuse is not a federal issue. Child abuse, should never, ever become a federal issue; it's a state issue. Therefore when the ATF come in, and when they botch their raid, and then sit up there, and say that, "these kids were abused, we had to do this for the children"- they use that to turn your alls attention away from the facts- away from their own encroachments, and their own abuses that, that they were opposing on the people, that they were opposing against the Constitution. And it worked. When the fire started, what did Janet Reno say? "I have irrefutable evidence that the children were being beaten." Janet Reno knows this to be a lie. She said that- two days later, a reporter asked her to back up her evidence, of this new evidence of the kids being beaten- she couldn't do it. She went to the FBI, there was no new evidence, the evidence was from 1987. Which was the initial report from Marc Breault. In '92, the state authorities came out here to Mt. Carmel: they checked the kids, they checked the young girls- for sexual abuse- they checked the children for mental and physical abuse, they found no signs, they dropped the case. Why did I still- why do I still hear about it? Why are my questions, "well your kids were abused," that I get whenever I speak? These are some of the main questions. They weren't abused. They were the most beautiful children I ever had the honor to know. They loved each other, they helped each other, yes, they were disciplined. But I saw what it did for these children. The older children, helped the younger children. They told each other stories. They did things for each other. I've never seen kids in the world, ever in my experience, and I've babysat- I've known literally hundreds of families- I've never seen, kids in the world as well-behaved and respectful as the children at Mt. Carmel. Those people should not be dead. They shouldn't- they should be here. I shouldn't be here speaking to you; I should be studying the Bible, right over there, sitting in my room at Mt. Carmel right now. Playing music.

It was an atrocity- It's extreme ignorance, on our government's part- to come in the way they did. They said they had all the time in the world. To wait this out. They knew David Koresh was serious about his Seven, Seals manuscript. How did they know he was serious about it? He contacted Jim Tabor and Phil Arnold, t-, two theologians that are going to be speaking to you here this, later this afternoon. These people, wanted the manuscript; they heard David's 58-minute tape and they knew it wasn't Bible babble, they knew he had something concrete, something they had never seen before in all their studies. They were blown away with the information. The agreement was that, if you have had the opportunity to read the April 15th letter David sent out to, to these theologians- it says, "God has shown me"- I think this is a very down-to-earth letter- no deceit here- "God has shown me, that when I come out of Mt. Carmel with my people, people will not be concerned with the truth that I represent. But they will look at me, at the oddity of my flesh. At me the person. At the bizarrity of me. And they will have nothing, they will have nothing to do with my truth. Therefore, God has granted me the time," he says, now notice the word, "God has granted me the time, to write the Seven Seals manuscript in manuscript form, in written form. And then I'm going to release it to Jim Tabor and Phil Arnold, and once I know these theologians have a copy, that they can distribute to the theological world, then will I come out with my people." And then the direct quote is, "You can do what you want with this beast." David never cl-, never, never, said that he was, Jesus Christ. Or that he was- divine, or perfect, or sinless. He simply said, he simply had a challenge for the world. "You want me to give to your tithed, organized religion? Show me the Seven Seals- in the Book of Revelation. Where they're found in the prophets, as it says in Revelation 10. If you can't, let me show you." Challenge is so simple, maybe you can, maybe you can't. But each individual, within themselves, has to give him the opportunity to do that, before they judge. That not what happened. We were already on trial! As Ken said, they, they were saying that the ATF agents were murdered, before even having a trial, these people were murdered? And all you heard in the press, four ATF agents were murdered. Here at Mt. Carmel, where four ATF agents were murdered by bizarre cultists. That's all you heard. That was not the case. How do you serve a knock search warrant? There's a knock search warrant, and there's a no-knock search warrant, you can get either. In this case, the F-, ATF had a knock search warrant. That means they're to knock on the door. "We are ATF agents, federal agents, we're coming in to investigate you." And then they come in. Supposed to be let in, technically, according to the Constitution. How do you serve a knock search warrant? When you have helicopters flying in? From the back flank. You got two, cattle trailers pulling to the front, you got one team, of ATF agents going to the penned up dogs, that are Alaskan malamutes, a mother and her four pups, and shoot them? While you got another team climbing up on the roof, throwing in- oh, I'm sorry. At the trial they didn't "throw," they "placed." And it wasn't a hand grenade, or it wasn't a concussion grenade, do you know what they called it? A "rapid expansion of gases." That's what they call these devices we call grenades. "You don't throw it, sir, you place, the rapid expansion of gases in the window carefully." Who are they fooling? Look at this doublespeak we've had to put up with in America! On the media, in the trials. It's insanity! An aggressive assault? It's obviously an aggressive assault, obviously. How do you serve a knock search warrant when you've got these guys- climbing up the window, bashing in the window, they're going in there to get their evidence, get everyone succumbed, and then serve the search warrant. You got a team shooting the dogs while the helicopters are coming in at the same time. The, the ATF obviously did not want to do this peacefully. They had plenty of opportunities. They interviewed, six months before this raid, a man named Henry Kilpatrick- Karen Kilpatrick and Henry McMahon, who were gun dealers here in Waco. That sold David Koresh a lot of the weapons that he had there. They called him up. The ATF are in there, are in their house, they're going through all the records. And the ATF said basically, uh, you know, we want to know some information on David Koresh, you sold David Koresh all this, all these weapons, we want to know about him. Henry goes, "Well hold on." Henry goes into the other room, he calls, he calls David Koresh up. He says, "David- I got the ATF here, they're sitting in my living room. They're going through all my stuff, they're going through all my, um, my records of everything that I've sold, they're asking a lot of questions about you." Does David say, "Oh, well, don't tell 'em anything, Henry?" No. You know what David said? He says, "Well, Henry, tell them to come on out. Put them on the phone. Tell them to come on out, they can come and check anything they want. Everything we've got here on record is legal, they can come out anytime they want." David invited them out. In the testimony at San Antonio, Karen Kilpatrick got up on the stand, she said, "We told the FBI, Henry came in and said-," I'm sorry, the ATF, excuse me- one and the same, in my opinion- but basically said, he told the ATF, "And I got David Koresh on the phone, he wants to speak to you guys." Davey Aguilera, the chief agent, basically went like this (waves arms): no! Silently. Meaning, we don't want to talk to him! Why would we want to talk to that guy, we want to get all the information we can on the guy without talking to him. Robert Rodriguez, the gentleman who was living across the street, the ATF undercover agent. He was invited over. He watched movies with us. We played music for him. We went over to, some of the guys went over to his house, had pizza. He was invited to move in, for a week. For two weeks he was invited to move in to learn the Seven Seals, completely. He wanted to do it, he said. We were preparing a room for him. And then all of a sudden, he says, "No, I, I can't move in." Two days later, the, uh, Waco Tribune-Herald report comes out, and a day after that, they raid us, they attack us. When, uh, he was questioned later, Robert Gonz-, Robert Rodriguez, he said, "I found no sign of illegal activity going on in there." He told his, he told his superiors that. They didn't believe him. When they- this is one of the greatest stories. When he first met the FBI- he sat in a chair and he said, "Look. I know what's going on inside Mt. Carmel. I know what David Koresh is thinking." Now listen to this! "I know what David Koresh is thinking," he said. "Let me open the Book. Let me show you the psalms, I'll show you what's going through his head, I'll show you exactly what he's thinking." This is in an interview that he did with the Washington Post. You know what they said to him? His superiors looked at him like he was crazy. Like he didn't know what he was talking about, told him to get out of the office. He left and went home. So, OK, his superiors don't even believe their own agent, that they're sending in there to gather information? What kind of law enforcement do we have in this country? What is going on?

The fire! Surely the cult members started the fire, quote unquote cult members. Oh, by the way, I'd just like to say one thing about February 28th. I had no idea I was a Branch Davidian, until February 28th. I thought I was a student of the Seven Seals, I was studying with all these great people I'd known for two-and-a-half years- I had met Dave- and I never went around saying, "Dave Thibodeau, Branch Davidian, glad to know ya. Hey, come out and study the Branch Davidian doctrine and philosophy!" No, it was never like that! It was a total shock to me, when I hear on the news, that the Branch Davidian compound has been raided by ATF agents. I was amazed! That was the first I'd heard of it. Just to kind of give you some insight, on this, this Branch Davidian thing. It comes from the past, basically, is what it comes from. And it's another term, it's another demonization. It, it's just another term, like "cultist" or "compound." I called that my home, I never considered that a compound. Serenity never considered it a compound. Neither did Michelle. Neither did Isaiah or Joseph. The kids that we played ball with. And we went down to the lake with. Janet Reno, we want the kids to come out safely. So you use CS gas against 'em? CS gas, by the way, has been- the, the Geneva Convention? The United Nations does not use CS gas in wartime. Because it's too harmful. It's deadly. Especially, to young children, and women with smaller respiratory tracts. It kills them. It's never to be used, in a contained area! It's only to be used in a riot control situation! Yet we use it against our own citizens! Do you realize the amount of CS gas that they poured into Mt. Carmel? If the fire didn't kill those people, they would have- most of the kids would have died anyway, because of the, the levels of the toxins, of that CS gas. Do you realize that CS gas is a powder, it's not a gas? Do you know what happens when you take a match, to a roomful of flour? It goes up like that. Powder, is flammable. CS gas is flammable. It was a front. Why do you think they poked the holes in the building, in the front, to the side? What happens when you puncture, huge, five-by-eight, foot, holes, in the wall of a house, especially when they're in the back, both sides, and in the front? It causes what we call backdraft, you ever see the movie "Backdraft?" A building goes up just like that, especially with forty-mile-an-hour wind. Coincidence? Accident? The FBI claimed that they had, a tape of David Koresh the day before the assault, the day before the final assault, saying that David was planning to burn the place if they came in. OK. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, shall we? I still would love to trust my government. Huh! Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, though. If they knew that David Koresh was planning, to burn the place down, and they wanted to save the people, why didn't the tanks, that were capable of holding thousands of gallons of water, or better yet, a certain foam that they have that's used in certain high-tech situations to put fires out quickly, why weren't those tanks equipped with firefighting capabilities? Why was this- I'm asking a lot of questions why, aren't I? Why wasn't- the fire trucks out here? They'd been out there for fifty days, they were told to stand down the day before, why was that? Why was Parkland Memorial Hospital called at six o'clock in the morning? Six o'clock in the morning, asking how many- by the FBI, asking how many bed burnits, how many beds were available in their burn unit? Coincidence? Why is the Parkland Memorial Hospital, suing the government? For responsibility of those that they treated at Mt. Carmel? That burned? Why are they suing 'em? There's a lawsuit against the government! Parkland Memorial Hospital says that the government knew about it! That they told them to expect, burn victims by twelve o'clock. Coincidence? Why didn't the helicopters fly over, dumping water on the place? If, uh, they were so, enraged, if they were so afraid of the quote unquote cultists shooting at law enforcement officials? Why wasn't I asked to be at the Congressional hearing, an eyewitness? Why wasn't my mother, who was down here for fifty-one days and saw what happened? Why wasn't Jack Zimmerman; why wasn't Dick DeGuerin asked to be at the Congressional hearings? Don't we want to get to the truth of what happened at Mt. Carmel? Why did we only hear from government officials what happened? What a whitewash! And we, and we disguise it; we disguise it with, with a document of truth. [applause] "We want to get to the truth," this grand jury tells me. I'm sittin' there in front of the, uh, Texas Rangers, "Believe it or not, Dave, we want the truth, we want to know what really happened. We really do." Oh, and Ray Jahn looked at me with such concern when he said he wanted to get to the truth of what happened. I told 'em, they didn't believe me. They looked at me like I was crazy when I told them what happened, what I saw. Needless to say, I was never called before the Congressional committee. All you've ever heard from day one, is government, doublespeak. Is the government point of view. One last final example. The independent fire investigator that we're supposed to have, right? Because Janet "I don't want any coverups" Reno, wants the truth to come out, right? Then Mrs. Reno, why would you hire Paul Gray, who was three years out of the Houston ATF office? Whose wife still works at the Houston ATF office, who was at the funeral of one of the ATF agents that was slain? Why would you hire him, if you wanted to avoid all air of controversy as to who started the fire? To give his factfindings. And of course, once he gets his factfindings, the cultists start the, the fire, in his eyes. And let's not stop there. Before I, or any of the survivors, can personally hire, because everything we had to do was out of our own pocket, and we have nothing, we've lost everything- before we can hire a truly independent fire investigator, that's what they do to Mt. Carmel. They bulldoze it in three heaps. You know how much evidence they, they, uh, covered up when they bulldozed that place? The true origin of the fire will never be known. Thanks, Mrs. "I don't want any coverup" Reno, we appreciate your, law enforcement potential, you've done such an- amazing job. [applause]

One more point that I think needs to be made today- here's the chief law enforcement agent, officer. Gasses the kids- I believe she was misled to an extent- but it's her job not to be misled, it's her job to get to the bottom, to get to the truth. And all she can say, in her defense, the kids were being beaten. What lies! What lies we heard. One of the biggest lies I heard, when I was in jail, after, everything had happened. After I'd been strip-searched by the ATF, videotaped, after I'd been put in yellow shackles, contemplating the deaths of, eighty-six of my very dearest, closest friends in the world- I sit there and I'm watching TV in my cell- and I see Jeff Jamar come on, these FBI cats. Who basically told lie after lie after lie during the fifty-one days. And I see him say, "We went to the underground bus. Now the underground bus is where the women and children were supposed to be. We went down there, and the air was crisp and cool, it was clean- there was water down there, no fire, definitely could have been inhabited by women and children, yet, no people, there was no kids down there." Indicating that we stayed in of our own free will to die. What he didn't tell you, and what I heard an ATF, an FBI agent say as I was face-down, right here where these seats are. With the CEVs running back and forth, an ATF agent right in front of me, face-down on this ground, getting chewed up by ants- when the guy with the little notepad and the pen came up to me and said, "Where are the women and children, you've got to live with this for the rest of your life! Where are the kids?" I said, "They're in the underground bus, that's where they should be, go check the underground bus, you guys know all about it. You've known about it for fifty-one days, it's buried, you should, you can enter it through the torn-, tornado shelter." He looked up at the other guy, the other FBI agent, big, burly guy with a moustache. Had an M-16 like this- he looked down at the guy that was kneeling down in front of me and he said, "We tear-gassed that bus!" I looked at him like, "Oh, great, that- you guys are really right on the ball, you tear-gassed the only safe way of escape for the women and children." But let's not stop there. We have videotapes of where the tanks went in. When they made their initial hole, facing this complex on the far left-hand side. They made, they, they destroyed the wall- that was directly below the only entrance to that bus. That was a trapdoor that went from the floor up like this. That debris was on top of that door. So even if the women and children could get to the bus, they never could have gotten in. The FBI of course later in their FBI report said that, we never wanted them to get to the bus, we never wanted them to get to that safe hole, we blocked that off on purpose. And then what happens? The women and children only have one place to go. I couldn't get there. I tried desperately to get through the second-story- get into the hallway that was already raging with fire, that already had, a fireball going down the hall at forty miles an hour, because of the winds- I couldn't get in that hallway. I wanted to get down there to help them. They ended up- in the only standing concrete- they call it the concrete bunker. In actuality, it was our, uh, our icebox. It was our walk-in cooler. The only place they could go to escape a fire. They had wet blankets put over them to escape the flames. They cooked to death. But you know what, it didn't matter. Because from what I found out about the CS gas, and the amount that was poured in there- with the kids not having gas masks because you can't buy a gas mask for a child- their heads are too small- the majority of them would have, would have died from toxic poisoning from the CS gas anyway. They were already dead. It was a front. They were already dead. But by the time they get into the, uh, found the bodies, in that cooler- they noticed that some of them had been crushed. Of course, in the FBI report that came out after the ATF report, that was basically a whitewash- and the ATF were the scapegoats for what the FBI did. The ATF were responsible for the five deaths on the 28, on the 28th. The FBI were responsible for the eighty-six deaths, of the 18th. Don't let them fool you.

When they checked that bunker- they noticed that- big chunks of stone, had fallen down from the bunker and crushed the women and children. Some of them. Approximately ten of them had died of blunt force trauma. At least that's what Dr. Rodney Crow, who checked the bodies, called it: blunt force trauma. What did the FBI call it, to even demonize us more? They said, that when we found the bodies of women and children inside the bunker, they were beaten and stabbed to death. What blatant lies! What incredible deceit! Beaten and stabbed to death! As if, the people in Mt. Carmel are gonna beat their children as one last evil act before they die! Before they commit suicide! You've all been deceived, you've all been whitewashed- since day one. The whole thing stinks, of coverup. The whole thing stinks. And they're not stopping now. They're continuing. What's their policy now? We- Janet Reno says we need to learn from our mistakes and move on. In other words, Mt. Carmel is a tragedy, too bad these people followed this nut, too bad they took their own lives, but we need to move on now. There's more to it than that. Boy, there's a lot more to it. I, I hope some of this information comes, comes clear today that there's a lot more to it, there's going to be quite a number of speakers. Jim Tabor a-, as I said, and Phil Arnold are going to be here. They're gonna speak about, Dave's, theolog-, theology a little deeper. I tried not to get into it, I tried to just, present some facts today. Facts that myself and Ron Cole and other people that have really put a lot of time into this have uncovered. It's not what you've heard. It's not what you've heard. The people inside Mt. Carmel, were the greatest people I've ever known. They deserve to be honored. They died for their faith. They were martyred, and they were murdered for their faith and what they believed in. Don't let 'em fool you, this wasn't about weapons. It's a lot bigger. It, it's a lot bigger than that.

One more story I'd like to relate. One more final lie. That I, I feel, is needed to come out. As I was listening to Ron Engelman's show, the final day, the day of the raid when they're tear-gassing us, sending in these canisters. I was listening to Mr. Engelman. And he was asking us to come out, pleading with us. Cause he knew that the government wasn't going to give up. That they weren't going to stop, and we knew it too. But we knew one thing. They had promised us the Seven Seal manuscript sh-, to be written. And we were not gonna go out with our hands to them until we had some security, some insurance. So if we were to leave, the building wouldn't meet like an accident like this, and burn down, and the truth- we wanted the truth to come out. That was one of the reasons this document was our safeguard. So when they asked us to come out- we didn't. We stayed. As did other communities. As did the Indians at Wounded Knee. They stayed, for what they believed in. And they ended up dying for what they believed in. But I'm sitting there that morning, and Ron Engelman, he goes to a, a newsbrief, he goes to a commercial and they have a newsbrief. And I'm sitting there listening to this newsbrief, and I remember all morning being blown away, that here's this tear gas being jettisoned into the complex- and people are reading their Bibles. People are asking God for guidance. People are supplicant-, supplementing themselves unto God. At the very last moments. And I hear this FB-, you have this report come on saying the FBI is now resul-, is now assaulting the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. And they are sending in tear gas, hoping to get the people out. And the FBI have received eighty to two-hundred gunshots, on their CEVs. And due to the credit of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, they have not fired back. Now when I heard that my jaw dropped, my heart sank, to the bottom of my stomach. And an immediate feeling, of foreboding came upon me like I could never describe to any of you. Because I could see the writing on the wall. I don't recall hearing one shot that morning, ever fired at the CEVs. For one thing, the people in there weren't stupid enough to think that a, a pitiful little .223 round, would ever be able to able to, uh, go through a tank. An armored vehicle. Armor-plated that even .50-caliber weapons wouldn't pierce. No one was that stupid. Number two, we wanted to work it out peacefully, even in the very ending moments. We wanted it to end peacefully, we were hoping for negotiations. So I was amazed at the composure of the people inside there. And it strengthened my faith. But when I heard that report I saw the writing on the wall, I knew we were condemned. I knew we were dead. I knew they were setting the American public up for a massacre. And that's what they got. They got a massacre. There's the rubble.

Julie Martinez should be here. Isaiah and Joseph should be here. Julie's mother is sitting out in the audience, she's been devastated by this. She's one of the most wonderful women I've ever known. Julie's mom. Those kids were the most wonderful kids I've ever known. And ever will know. There's no excuse, for me not to be with them. I just want to say one more thing. Kinda show you the mentality of, of where our government's going, where our nation is. About the same time Mt. Carmel was happening, there was a siege in Canada taking place. The Canadian government, over a land dispute, went in to, um, take some property from some Indians. That hadn't had it legally. And the Indians, held their ground, these were Canadian Indians. And this siege lasted for fifty-one days. I'm sorry, for seventy-one days, excuse me. And this, this siege was compared to Waco, Texas. There was a documentary that was comparing the crime in Toronto, to the crime in, uh, Detroit. Two cities that are very close together. Only because they are under different governments, they have a totally different outlook on crime. And criminal activity. The Canadian government, said in this document, documentary, that they waited these people out. They waited seventy-one days, and they ended it peacefully. And those Indians came out peacefully. And they're still here to live to tell about their story. And the Canadian government said, of the American government, "We would never, never have done to our people, what you all did to your people down there in Waco, Texas, we would never have done it. We would have waited- to the last man, woman, and child had come out." Janet Reno, Jeff Jamar, Bob Ricks, Byron Sage, Davey Aguilera. All these, these, these spirits, that have joined together, in their pride and their arrogancy, who would not listen to the psychologists, who would not listen to the theologians, who would listen to no one but themselves, out of their own pride and arrogances, got these people killed. Hook, line, and sinker. Pride and arrogancy; the one thing the Scripture warns mankind about over and over again, to have a humble spirit. To be able to listen to other people's views, and viewpoints. To be able to have an understanding, from professionalcy, as to how to deal with these kind of situations. I hope in the future we deal with these kind of situations in wisdom, and not in ignorance. And not with, with the militaristic-style mentality that our government has used against its own citizens. We've seen it in Panama, we've seen it in Nicaragua, and now we're seeing it right here on good old American soil. Where are we headed? What are we headed for? I hope we live through this. I hope this doesn't happen to your church- I hope it doesn't happen to you. I'm praying for you.

One last thing: there's a new video out. It's by Richard Moseley. I had the opportunity to view it last night with Ron Engelman, and a number of the survivors. And it is the most thought-provoking, informative, video I've seen yet on Waco, Texas. Unlike certain other people that've put out videos and made thousands and thousands of dollars off this tragedy- he's actually interviewed the survivors, and all the prophecy, all the, um, proceeds go to the survivors. The documentary is the most professional thing I've ever seen- it's actually, as I said, interviewing the survivors, and you get a much, much clearer grasp, from the other side, of what happened truly here at Mt. Carmel. He's got a booth over here, his name is Richard Moseley. The video's called "Day 51." And it's incredible; I think a lot of you would enjoy this. It's not out yet- but you can get on a mailing list for it. And I think everybody needs to see this video. And I'd like to thank you all for coming out, and, write letters! Don't stop! Don't let the pressure off on this government! They want you to forget about it, they want you to go to football games, they want you to go to pizza joints, they want you to watch "Beavis and Butthead," they want you to play video games, they want you to have your mind on everything but what happened here at Mt. Carmel: we can't allow that to happen! No longer can we be ignorant! No longer can we be stupid! We have to fight fire with fire! We have to fight deceit with truth! I don't have to tell lies, I don't have to get up here and lie, I can tell the truth and damn the government. They have to tell lies to damn us. What's fair? Thank you. [strong applause]