3. 11. 2003

Zasanjana pokrajina na Golicu - jo bomo znali ohraniti ?

Beautiful landscape on Golic - we'll know to keep ?

Mnenja naravovarstvenikov po ogledu vetrnih elektrarn v Spaniji ( Navarra ) v casopisih

Opinion country guard after sight Wind power plants in Spain ( Navarra ) of newspapers

A Slovenija ni Spanija

Mnenja nekaterih naravovarstvenikov in novinarjev po ogledu vetrnih elektrarn v pokrajini Navarra konec oktobra 2003

Novinarji pišejo :
Problem primerjave Slovenije in Spanije je v dimenzijah.Spanija je po površini petindvajsetkrat vecja od Slovenije in ima najvec zavarovanih predelov in mednarodno pomembnih obmocij za ptice v Evropi. Kako primerjati 7000 glavo populacijo beloglavih jastrebov z našo 200 glavo, ki domuje na Kvarnerju in ki preletava naše kraške planote ?
Prevladalo je mnenje, da vetrne elektrarne ne sodijo na varovana obmocja , ki so potencialne
obmocja Nature2000 ( Golic in Volovja reber).

Mnenja g. Mirjam Gorkic, g . Damjan denac in g. Iztok Geister

Mirjam Gorkic, Zavod za varovanje narave, OE Nova Gorica je poudarila, da je zanjo pomembno, da v Španiji vetrne elektrarne dosledno postavljajo na obmocjih, ki nimajo posebne vrednosti z vidika ohranjanja biotske raznovrstnosti ali pomembnejših naravnih pojavov. "

Dosledno jih umešcajo na obmocjih, ki niso varovana ali zavarovana in niso zivljenjski prostor evropsko ogrozenih zivalskih ali rastlinskih vrst, zaradi katerih bi bila vkljucena v evropsko ekološko omrezje Natura 2000. Varovanje teh vrst ocitno v Španiji zagotavljajo drugje, kjer nimajo vetrnih elektrarn," je razlozila Gorkiceva.

Mirjam Gorkic še dodaja, da so predstavniki EHN in minister Armendáriz posebej poudarili sodelovanje naravovarstvenikov pri umešcanju vetrnih polj v prostor, "saj moramo priznati, da gre za velike objekte, ki zavzamejo veliko površino in imajo zato tudi dolocen negativen vpliv na naravo" . Da bi bila ta škoda cim manjša, je po njenem mnenju nujno potrebna predhodna presoja.

Sogovornica razlaga, da so v naravovarstvenih smernicah za spremembe in dopolnitve drzavnega prostorskega nacrta predvideli umešcanje vetrnih polj zunaj obmocij, ki so pomembna za varstvo narave, najmanj pa zunaj tistih predelov obmocij, ki so pomembna z vidika ohranjanja ugodnega stanja tistih zivalskih in rastlinskih vrst, zaradi katerih so ta obmocja predlagana za vkljucitev v ekološko omrezje Natura 2000. To pomeni, da vetrnic ne bi smeli postaviti na obrobjih visokokraških planot, kot sta Sneznik in Nanos.

Mirjam Gorkic : "Veseli me, da sem imela moznost spoznati španske izkušnje. Ugotavljam namrec, da so bile naše smernice, ki smo jih dajali za drzavni plan, pravilne. Gradnjo vetrnic smo usmerjali v manj pomembna obmocja. Španska vetrna polja niso na varovanih obmocjih, ne izstopajo niti po naravnih pojavih niti po visoki stopnji biotske raznovrstnosti.

Zaradi tega jih na takšna obmocja niso umestili, pa tudi tam, kamor so jih - v obmocja, kjer so clovekovi posegi zelo intenzivni - naredijo zelo veliko, da so poškodbe cim manjše. Vsekakor pa se ne da primerjat Španije in Slovenije. Poleg tega so naši predeli spoznani za vrednejše, so tudi prostori evropsko ogrozenih vrst in potencialna obmocja Nature 2000, kar še posebej obvezuje drzavo."

English : But Slovenia is not Spain

Of opinion of some country guard and of journalists round tour of wind power plants in country Navarra end of October 2003 Journalists write :Problem of comparison Of Slovenia and Spanije is in dimensions.Spanija is for surface twenty-five times bigger from Slovenia and has mostly insured parts and internationally important ranges for bird in Europe. For other page pa has prevailed opinion, that of wind power plant don't judge on protected ranges , which are of potential area Nature2000.

How to compare 7000 head population of griffons with our 200 head, which resident on Kvarnerju and which fly frequently our Kras plateau ? For other page pa has prevailed opinion, that of wind power plant don't judge on protected ranges , which are potential ranges Nature2000.

Mirjam Gorkic, Institute for protecting of nature, OE Nova Gorica is emphasize, that is for her important, that in Spain of wind power plant consistently set on ranges, which not have of special value from aspect of keeping of biotic diversity or of more important natural phenomena.

Consistently them set on ranges, which are not protected or insured and are not vital place European threatened animal or of vegetable types, because of which would be included in European ecologically network Nature 2000. Protecting this types obviously in Spain ensure elsewhere, where not have of wind power plants," is explain Gorkic's.
Mirjam Gorkic still adds, that are representatives EHN and minister Armendáriz separately emphasize co-operation country guard at set wind fields to place, "because must to admit, that goes for big buildings, which conquer a lot surface and have therefor also established negative impact on nature" . That would be this damage as soon as smaller, is round her opinion urgently necessary preliminary judges.

She explains, that are in country guardnes guidelines for change and of supplementation of state spatial plan foresee set up wind fields outside ranges, which are important for custody of nature, at least outside that parts of ranges, which are important from aspect of keeping of favourable state of that animal and of vegetable types, because of which are this range proposed for inclusion to ecological network Nature 2000. This means, that WPP no would may to set on fringes high Karst uplands, as are From.
Because of this them on such ranges are not set, also there,where are them - to ranges, where are human interventions very intense - make very a lot, that are of injury as soon as smaller. In any case no that to compare of Spain and of Slovenia. By this are to our move realized for more worthily, are also places European threatened types and potential ranges Of nature 2000, what especially bandages state."

Dopps - Damjan Denac :
"Vetrne elektrarne so primeren in domiseln nacin pridobivanja elektricne energije, zato jim ne nasprotujemo, so pa njihovi vplivi na okolje razlicni. V Navarri so na primer imeli v projektu postavitev vetrnic tudi v naravnem parku, vendar so ta nacrt zaradi predvidenih negativnih vplivov na ptice opustili.

Na vetrnem polju Leitza-Beruete na nadmorski višini priblizno 1000 metrov smo lahko videli na desetine beloglavih jastrebov, rjavih škarnikov in drugih ujed, ki so v Sloveniji redke, kako letajo okoli vetrnic. To me je presenetilo.

V Španiji je postavitev vetrnic na takšno obmocje sprejemljivo, ker je za razliko od Slovenije s pticami izredno bogata drzava in ima veliko drugih pomembnejših obmocij za njihovo varovanje in to je treba pri primerjavi s Slovenijo upoštevati," pravi Denac.

Damjan Denac : "Sodec po teh pticah bi se nam na prvi pogled lahko zdelo cudno, da to ni zavarovano obmocje. Ce bi bila pri nas taka gostota, bi absolutno bilo. Toda v Španiji, ki je izredno bogata s pticjim zivljenjem in ima najvec mednarodno pomembnih obmocij za ptice v Evropi, je toliko drugih pomembnejših obmocij, da ta niso zavarovana."

Kot pravi Damjan Denac, so v Društvu za opazovanje in preucevanje ptic Slovenije med obmocji, ki so jih v EP predvideli za postavitev vetrnic, izbrali tri, kjer bi to bilo s stališca varstva narave dopustno, na enem pa so raziskave še v teku. Gre za Cebulovico, Selivec in Kokoš.

"V Društvu za opazovanje in proucevanje ptic Slovenije (DOPPS) menimo, da je pridobivanje elektricne energije na trajnostni nacin ena od nujnih naravovarstvenih usmeritev," meni Damijan Denac iz tega društva. "Zato nacelno nismo proti postavljanju vetrnih elektrarn.

Vetrne elektrarne imajo dokazano negativen vpliv na ptice, pri cemer so najbolj nevarni trki ptic z vetrnicami. Negativni vpliv na ptice je odvisen predvsem od lokacije vetrne elektrarne."

Po podatkih iz tujih drzav, kjer imajo postavljenih veliko vetrnih elektrarn (Nemcija, Španija), je lahko razmah negativnega vpliva zelo raznolik: na nekaterih vetrnih poljih je vpliv prakticno neznaten, na drugih pa je zelo velik, meni Denac.

Po njegovem so posebno problematicni trki velikih ujed z vetrnicami.
"Te imajo pocasno razmnozevanje, malo mladicev in dolgo zivijo, zato so kakršnekoli dodatne izgube v ze ogrozeni populaciji zanje lahko usodne. Zrtve vetrnih elektrarn pa niso le ujede, temvec vse skupine ptic."

S presojo vpliva na ptice pred postavitvijo vetrnih elektrarn se je mogoce izogniti tistim lokacijam, kjer bi bil vpliv nedopustno negativen, meni Damijan Denac. Posebno temeljita mora biti takšna presoja na obmocjih, ki jih varujemo z namenom ohranjanja ogrozenih vrst ptic, meni in dodaja, da v španski pokrajini Navarra vetrnih elektrarn sploh ne postavljajo na varovana obmocja.

"Na temelju podatkov, s katerim razpolagamo v društvu, ocenjujemo, da so od doslej predlaganih obmocij za postavitev vetrnih elektrarn primerna le obmocja Kokoš, Cebulovica, Selivec in Tabor."

"Slovenija bo dolzna ob vstopu v Evropsko unijo razglasiti posebna obmocja varstva za ptice (SPAobmocja). Predlogi, ki so ze izdelani, so opredeljeni na podlagi evropskih meril, obmocja so zato pomembna za varstvo ptic v širšem, ne le nacionalnem merilu.

Ta obmocja predstavljajo za Slovenijo in Evropo trajno naravovarstveno vrednoto. Posegi na teh obmocjih, med katere sodi tudi gradnja vetrnih elektrarn, ki bi lahko zmanjšali njihov naravovarstveni pomen, pa so po evropski zakonodaji nedopustni," meni Damijan Denac iz DOPPS.

English :Dopps - Birds organization

Dopps - Damjan Denac :
"Of wind power plant are suitable and thoughtful manner of production of electrical energy, therefor them don't oppose, are pa their impacts on environment different. In Navarre are for instance have in project setting up WPP also in natural park, however are this plan because of foreseen negative impacts on birds abandon.

On wind field Leitza-Beruete on height above sea level approximately 1000 meters are can see on tenths of griffons, of brown birds and other bird of preys, which are in Slovenia of rare, how fly round wind turbines. This me has surprised.

In Spain is setting up WPP on such range acceptable,because is for difference from Slovenia with birds extraordinarily rich state and has a lot other more important ranges for their protecting and this it is necessary at comparison with Slovenia to consider," says Denac.

Damjan Denac:"Judgely round this birds would us on the first view can seem strange, that this is not insured range.If would be at us such density, would absolutely was.But in Spain,which is extraordinarily rich with avian life and has mostly internationally important ranges for bird in Europe,is this much other more important ranges,that this are not insured."
As says Damjan Denac,are in Society for observation and studying of birds Of Slovenia between ranges,which are them in EP foresee for setting up WPP, choose three,where would this was from opinion of custody of nature admissibly,on one are of research still in run. Goes for Cebulovica, Seivec in Kokos.

"In Society for observation and dig birds Of Slovenia (DOPPS) mean, that is production of electrical energy on sustainable manner one from urgent country guard orientations," mean Damijan Denac from this society. "Therefor principe are not against seting of wind power plants.

Of wind power plant have proved negative impact on birds, whereat are the most dangerous collisions of birds with WPP. Negative impact on birds is dependent mainly from location of wind power plant."
Round data from foreign states,where have of set a lot wind power plants (Germany, Spain),is can swing negative influences very diverse:on some wind fields is impact practically slightly, on other pa is very big,mean Denac.

Round his are particularly questionable collisions of big bird of preys with WPP.
"You have slow manifold, a little cubs and long live, therefor are of any additional loss in already threatened population for them can fatal. Of victim of wind power plants pa are not only of bird of prey, but all group of birds."

With judgement influences on birds before setting up of wind power plants is perhaps to avoid to that locations,where would be impact undue negative, me Damijan Denac. Particularly be based upon must to be such judges on ranges,which them protect with intention of keeping of threatened types of birds,me and adds, that in Spanish country Navarre of wind power plants at all don't set on protected ranges.

"On base of data, with which have at disposal in society,estimate, that are from so far proposed ranges for setting up of wind power plants suitable only of range Kokos, Cebulovica, Selivec and Tabor."
"Slovenia will obligatory against entry to European union to declare special ranges of custody for bird (SPA area).To template, which are already created, are defined based on European measures,of range are therefor important for custody of birds in broader, no only national measure.

This ranges represent for Slovenia and Europe permanently country guard value.Interventions on this ranges,between which judges also construction of wind power plants, which would can reduce their nature protection meaning, are for European legislation undue,"mean Damijan Denac from DOPPS.

Iztok Geister, Zavod za favnistiko Koper, ki za EP opravlja presoje vplivov na naravo za obmocje Slatne (Sp. Vremšcice), Selivca, Ognivca in Cebulovice, o vetrnih elektrarnah pravi: "V Španiji sem se prvic v zivo soocil z vetrnimi elektrarnami. Sem prijetno presenecen iz dveh razlogov.
Prvic zato, ker niso spremenile mojega prejšnjega mnenja, ko govorimo o inštalacijah oziroma posegih v prostor. Po drugi strani pa nisem pricakoval, da so tako tihe. Ni strašanskega ropota, o katerem sem bral v literaturi. Gre za naraven zvok, ki ni problematicen ne za ljudi ne za zivali. Proti vetrnicam nimam nic, treba je pa izbrati primerno lokacijo in to je v Sloveniji najbolj sporno.
Slovenija ni Španija. Je majhna, saj prakticno vidiš z ene drzavne meje na drugo. Pri nas so gore svete. Ta slemena je zato treba pustiti, kakršna so, kjer so še neokrnjena. Zagovarjam postavitev vetrnih elektrarn tam, kjer so ze bili opravljeni drugi posegi industrializacije ali izgradnje prometne in energetske infrastrukture. Kjer so avtoceste, daljnovodi. Vetrnice postavimo tam, kjer je prostor ze obremenjen.
Pri prostoru mislim na zivljenjsko okolje. Na nizjih nadmorskih višinah to ni problematicno, ker v nicemer ne poslabšuje zivljenjskih razmer. Tam, kjer doslej ni bilo nicesar, pa sem za to, da pustimo takšno, kot je. Sicer pa pravim, da ce si ze drzava vzame svoje, naj si še narava. Mislimo, da je narava zastonj. Ni res!
Tudi narava jemlje svoj davek, zato je pac treba sprejeti tudi to, da se z necem zasluzi manj, kot se sprva misli. To pomeni, da ne moremo vedno pricakovati maksimuma, ampak za realnost vzeti optimum!"

Iztok Geister, Zavod za favnistiko, Koper: "Svojega mnenja o vetrnicah - da te niso primerne za višinske lege - nisem spremenil. Tako iz ekosistemskih kot iz estetskih razlogov se je pokazalo, da je nizinsko polje (El Perdon) umešceno v prostor, opremljen z vso drugo infrastrukturo.

Vetrnice na drugem polju, visoko nad drevesno mejo, ki je umetno znizana s pašo, pa so bile za moj obcutek in dojemanje tega, kaj clovek, ko pride na hrib, pricakuje in dozivi, motece. Prav tako kot so moteci stolpi na Nanosu, Slavniku ali Uršlji gori. Ce smo se odlocili za vetrne elektrarne, ce je to ekonomski interes drzave, bi jih morali postaviti na nizje lokacije.
Slovenija ni Španija, pri nas vidiš s hrvaške meje avstrijsko. Bilo bi zelo motece, ce bi se v visokogorju pojavila taka infrastruktura."

English :

Outflow Geister,Institute for favna Koper,which for EP performs of judgement of impacts on nature for range of Slatna (Sp. Vremšcica), Selivc, Ognivca and Cebulovica,about wind power plants says:"In Spain am firstly in alive confront with wind power plants. I am pleasantly surprised from two of reasons.

Firstly therefor,because haven't modified of my former opinion, when speak about installacions respectively interventions to place.For other page haven't expected, that are so quiet.Is not of horrendous noise,about which were reading in literature.He's going for natural sound, which is not questionable no for humans no for animal.Against WPP not have nothing,it is necessary pa to choose suitably location and this is in Slovenia the most uncertain.

Slovenia is not Spain.Is small,because practically see from one of frontier on other. At us are mountains holy.This ridge is therefor need to leave, what are,where are still intact.I'm pleading setting up of wind power plants there,where are already were done other interventions of industrialization or of construction of traffic and of energy infrastructure.Where are of motorway,electric wires.WPP set there, where is place already loaded.

At place think on vitally environment.On lower height above sea level this is not questionable, because in nothing doesn't worsen of vital circumstances.There, where so far wasn't nothing, am for this, that leave such,as is.Else say,that if si already state takes one's,let are still nature.We're thinking,that is nature gratis.Is not truly!

Also nature takes one's tax,therefor is indeed need to accept also this,that by something deserves less,as at first thinks.This means,that no can always to expect maksimuma,but for reality to take optimum.

Outflow Geister,Institute for favna,Koper:"Of one's opinion about WPP - that you are not of suitable for high uplands position-haven't modified.Such from ecosistems as from estetic reasons has shown,that is low field (of Ela Perdon) set up to place,equipped with all other infrastructure.

WPP on other field,highly over tree line,which is artificial lowered with pasture, were for my feeling and comprehending this,what human, when comes on hill, expects and lives to see, disturbing.Right such as are disturbing towers on Nanos, to Slavnik or Urslja mountain above.If are decide for wind power plant,if is this economic interest of state,would them must to set on lower locations.

Slovenia is not Spain,at us see from Croatian border Austrian.Was would very disturbing,if would in high-mountains appear such infrastructure."

Zakljucek :

Poglejte, javna raziskava in mnenja , so jasno pokazala, da nikjer na svetu niti v Spaniji vetrnih elektrarn ne postavljajo na varovanih obmocjih.Na eni strani so nekateri zagovorniki VE povezani s tujci, ki izdelujejo vetrne turbine in išcejo trzišce za svoje izdelke. Ni jim mar nedotaknjena Slovenska narava, ne javno mnenjska raziskava ne mnenja novinarjem in predstavnikov naravovarstvenikov, ki so bili na ogledu v Spaniji in so jasno povedali, da tudi v Spaniji jih ne postavljajo na varovana obmocja in kot je povedala biologinja EHN : ¨Ni šans za, da bi postavili vetrna polja v naravni park¨.

Na drugi strani smo velika skupina slovenskih biologov, krajinski arhitekti in osvešceni ljudje , ki jim je mar za Slovensko kulturno in naravno dedinšcino.

Slovenija je majhna in jutri ne bo niti za kamen vecja, zato moramo biti previdni in pametni, da bomo ziveli srecno in zadovoljno.

Vsa ta dejstva nekaterim ne pomenijo nic. Postavitev vetrnih polj na Golicu bi bilo vandalsko dejanje ekvivalentno
Talibanom v Barijanu v Afganistanu, ko so z dinamitim unicevali starodavne kipe Bude.
Na Golicu , ce bodo ministrstvo za okolje potrdilo postavitev VE , bodo prav tako z dinamitom razstreljevali kamnite travnike ( temelji VE morajo biti globoki tudi do 50 metrov - poglejte si slike kamnitih pašnikov - klikni).

Naj se ministrstvo za okolje nekoliko zamisli, kaj bodo podpisovali v imenu kvazi Kyotskega protokola in kvazi zelene energije , ki je nabolj potratna glede unicevanja prostora.

English :

Look, public research and of opinion are clearly show, that nowhere on world not even in Spaniji of WPP don't set on protected ranges.

On one of page are some people, who are for WPP connected with strangers, which generate wind turbines and seekmarket for one's products.

They not care for intact Slovene nature,no public opinion research no of opinion to journalists and of representatives country guards,which were on tour in Spaniji and are clearly tell,that also in Spain them don't set on protected ranges and as is tell biologist EHN : Is not of possibilities for,that would set wind fields in natural park¨.

On other page are big group of Slovenian biologists, country architects and reasonable humans ,which them is for Slovene cultural and naturallyheritage.

Slovenia is small and tomorrow no will not even for stone bigger, therefor must to be careful and intelligent, that will live happily and enjoyment.

All this fact to some don't mean nothing.Setting up of wind fields on Golic would be vandal deed ekvivalent Taliban in Barijan in Afghanistan, when was with dynamite destroy of ancient statues of Buda.
On Golic ,if will ministry for environment confirm setting up WPP , will right such with dynamite blow up stone meadows

( based uponWPP must to be deep also till 50 meters-look picture of stone pastures-click).

Let Slovene ministery for environment a bit conceive, what will sign in name of Kyotskega of protocol and Green energy , which is most exstravagance as destroying of place.

Odlocni NE za vetrne elektrarne na Golicu.

NO WAY FOR WIND POWER PLANTS ON GOLIC, actually they are newage big pollutant

of environment and thief of silence.

Projekt : Ohranitev Golica pred postavitvijo vetrnih elektrarn je verjetno najvecji projekt ohranitve naravnega okolja in

kulturne dedinšcine, ki poteka v letu 2003 v Sloveniji in mogoce v EVROPI - projekt smo prijavili na razpis Nagrade druzbe FORD za leto 2003.

Project : Protection Plateu Golic before setting wind power plants is for at the moment the biggest project of preservation of physical environment and of cultural heritage, which goes in Slovenia in 2003 or maybe in EUROPE - Project registration to Ford Conservation and Environmental Grants 2003.

Prav tako Greenpeace ne podpira postavitve vetrnih elektrarn povsod, še posebno ne , na pomembnih obmocjih za ptice

in kjer je Obmocje Nature 2000.

Also Greenpeace reply, that not automatically supports the construction of wind turbines in any place, particulary not
not in places imortant for birds ( habitat ) and not in places in natura2000.

David Stepan, Zelena narava

e-mail: varovanjenarave@email.si

Upamo, da se ministrstvo zaveda, da planota Golic spada v Drugi vodovarstveni pas reke Rizane, ki skoraj v celoti pokriva

s preskrbo pitne vode vso Slovensko Istro in da nikjer na svetu Vetrnih elektrarn ne postavljajo na taka obmocja zaradi potencialnega onesnazenja pitne vode s sinteticnim oljem ( vsaka vetrna turbina ima okoli 370 litrov olja, 370 x 80 vetrnih elektrn = 30.000 litov olja ). Da bodo vetrne elektrarne vidne iz Hrastoveljskega tabora in da na tem podrocju ze poteka Evropski projekt Natura2000.

Hope, that ministry realizes, that plateau of Golice belongs to Second water protect zone of river Rizane, which almost to whole covers with drinking water entire Slovene Istria and that nowhere on world of wind power plants no set on such ranges because of potential pollution of drinking water with synthetic oil ( every wind turbine has round 370 litres of oil ,370 x 80 Wind turbines = 30.000 litres of oil ). That will of wind power plants of visual from Hrastovlje church - tabor ( The dance of death - freske ) and that on this field already goes European project Natura2000.

Let of Golice stays goal and let him however Mr. minister Janez Kopac at once put in to spatial plan between most highly Natural treasure R. of Slovenia.

Naj Golic ostane gol in naj ga vendar g. minister Janez Kopac ze enkrat umesti v prostorski plan

med najvišje Naravne vrednote R. Slovenije.

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