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            GOAL: provide Baker researchers with an outlet for their theories
and speculations concerning, their personal research of their
Baker ancestor.

It is my hope that we gain a better understanding, and make it
impossible to ignore the facts of the Baker Genealogies.

This newsletter will contain information that has been discovered
in our research, as well as theories to be tested, and an open
forum for people to dispute this information while providing
documentation to prove their point.





            We are working to create a database of Baker Individuals that
are being researched. on the Baker_Bolin List. The best way to
accomplish this task has not yet been determined.

I will list the suggestions that I have received to date:

List by location
Combine subscriber Gedcom's
Assign a code to each person
Begin with Andrew Baker, b. 1692 list all that is known about
him, include sources.

If you have any additional suggestions, please send them to
Leslie Gunter.




            Web Pages of Interest



            Baker_Bolin-L Homepage http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Meadows/8056/bakerb.html Baker Resources & Archives Online http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Meadows/8056/baker_resources.html Baker Family International http://members.tripod.com/~Crystal_J/Baker.html 



            George Baker’s Revolutionary War Pension
Application # S17249
            
Submitted By: Leslie Gunter lgunter@psn.net


Deposition by Bolling Baker  [George Baker's brother]

Be it remembered that on this day before me the undersigned as
Justice of the Peace for said County personally came Boling Baker
who being duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that he
the deponent is both acquainted with George Baker (who is his
brother) and further this deponent saith that he knows that the
said George Baker enlisted as a regular soldier in the Sixth
Regiment of the North Carolina troops, commissioned by Colonel
Bunham or Dunham in the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy
six, in the war between the United Colonies and Great Britain
and after the said George Baker had served awhile (his length
of service not now recollected).

The said George Baker had taken sick and hired a destitute to
serve out his time___ And the said deponent further saith that
after that he knows that the said George Baker volunteered for
and served a three month tour in the year Seventeen Hundred &
Eighty One under the Command of General Green stationed at
Salisburg, North Carolina once there services were rendered in
the service of our United Colonies for Independence and further
this deponent saith not ____.


      His
Boling X Baker
      Mark




Sworn and subscribed to before me a Justice of the Peace for
the County aforesaid on the 17th day of September in 1832.

[illegible]
Justice of the Peace



I, George A. Phelps, Clerk of this Circuit Court for said County
do hereby testify James Crawford Esquire whose name appears to
in an affidavit made by Boling Baker which is here unto affidavit
was at the time of signing the same since is yet an acting
Justice of the Peace for said County duly commissioned and
qualified according to Law and that full faith and credit on bill
sought to be given to all his official acts as such justice.

In testimony whereof I hereunto set
my hand and Seal of said court at
Martinsville the 13th day Nov 1832
George A. Phelps, Clerk





Morgan Probate Court
November Term 1832


On this 13th day of November in the year 1832, personally appeared
before John Matthews, Probate Judge within and for said County,
George Baker a resident of said county aged seventy three years
who being duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the
following declaration in order to obtain benefit of the
provision made by the act of Congress(?) passed June
Seventeenth 1832.

That he Enlisted in the army of the United States the year 1776
in May or June of said year for the term of two years and six
months in the Continental Line in the Sixth Regiment of said
line under the command of Colonel Livingston enlisted by George
Doratty Lieut. Colonel and the Majors name not recollected he
says he served in the company commanded by Captain John Baptist
Ash 1st Lieutenant George Doratty and Second Lieutenant _______
Armstrong, he served under said enlistment untill which time the
said declarer says he was taken sick and returned home and
remained at home untill sometime in the Spring of the following
year which was in the year 1777 to the best of his recollection.

He was not able to rejoin with the army untill sometime in the
spring of said year of 1777 about the middle of May in said year
that he continued in the Army from said time untill about the
middle of August in said year at which time he received a
discharge at Guilford County South Carolina the reason he was
discharged at this time was because he was sick again and he
hired a certain Humphry Price to serve in his room and sted at
which time he the said declarer got a regular discharge signed
by Major Armstrong of the Fourth Battallion which discharge he
has long since lost.

This declarer says that in the year 1775 sometime in that year
he does not recollect the precise time he volunteered for forty
days in the army of the United States under the command of
Captain Hightower and Lieutenant William Leemone that they
marched to Salem in the state of North Carolna for the purpose
of fighting the Scotch at Crop(?) Creek but when we got to Salem
we learned that they were subdued by Roswells Army and returned
home.

That he volunteered in the army of the United States sometime
in the winter of 1778 or 1779 for the term of three months and
served under command of Colonel Joseph Phillips and the Majors
name was James Shepperd the Captains name under whom he served
for the term of four days was William Knowl(?) the said declarer
says he acted as Ensign in the company to which he belonged for
the term of the said four days that Knowl acted as Captain and
this declarer says he himself acted as Captain in said company
to which he belonged the ballance of the said term of three
months that he lived in the County of Wilkes in the state of
North Carolina at the time he served in the army that they
marched to Charlott and from there to Anson Court House and from
there to Sallsberry Court House in the state of North Carolina
and from there to a place called  Horsepasters in the state of
Virginia and from there they returned on homeward he says he got
a written discharge from Colonel Phillips or Captain Speers he
says they were both there but he does not recollect which signed
the said discharge he says he reckons in was sometime in the
year 1781 he says he has long since lost the said discharge.

This declarer says he was out with and under the command of
Captain Robert Coll(?) and Captain Robert King in the state of
North Carolina in Halston River and its vicinity in what is now
Hawkins County in scouting parties for the purpose of preventing
the Indians from doing mischief to the white people for the term
of three months about the time that Cornwallis surrendered
either a little before or a little after that time he does not
recollect with that he was at different time out in scouting
parties for the purpose of preventing the Tories from doing any
mischief in Wilkes County in the state of North Carolina he says
the scouting party to which he belonged was commanded by Captain
Andrew Baker he does not recollect the precise time he was out
in ______ scout but he thinks something like one month which
said served several times before mentioned when all added
together he believes to make about eighteen months or one and a
half years and the said declarer in answer to the questions
propourded by the court as required by the instructions from the
War Department says that to the best of his knowledge and belief
he was born in Granville county in the state of North Carolina
on the 14th day of October 1759 he says he had at one time a
record of his age in a bible which his father gave him but he
says it is lost.

Says he was living in Wilks County in the state of North
Carolina at the time he enlisted entered the service of the
United States and between the times of the several times of
service aforesaid and for about twenty five years afterwards
and from that time moved to the state of Kentucky in Clay County
where he continued 18 or 20 years and from there he moved to
Morgan County in the state of Indiana where he has ever since
lived which is about five years.

That his declaration above details the manner in which he was
called to the service, that the answers of the inquires which
the law requires are contained in this declaration as well as
he recollects that he is known to George Baker, John Sims,
Presley Sadiner and George A. Phelps who can testify as to his
character for veracity and their belief of his services as a
soldier of the Revolution that he has proved said part of the
above services by his brother Boling Baker and herewith send his
affidavit of the fact that he knows of no other person whose
testimony he can procure who can testify to his services and
that he has no documentary evidence thereof interegatory to or
herein did you ever receive a compensation if so by whom with
forbearance is signed or sworn he never did any.

He hereby relinquishes any claim whatever to a pension or
annuity except the and declares that his name is not on the
pension roll of the agency of any state or territory as sworn
to or subscribed the day and year aforesaid

      His
George X Baker
      Mark



Personally appeared before the undersigned a Justice of the
Peace in and for said county of Morgan and state aforesaid
George Baker who being dully sworn deportherh and saith that
by reason of old age and the consiquent loss of memory, He
cannot state positive as to the precise length of his service,
but according to the best of his recollection he served not
less that the period below and in the following grades to wit.

In his first tour (as recited in his declaration) he served not
less than three months as a private. In his second tour he
served three months as a private. In his third tour (as recited
in his declaration suppossed to have been in the year 1775) he
served not less than one month and ten days as a private. He
says he was mistaken as to the name of the Captain under whom
he served on that tour. The Captains name was Walton(Halton)(?)
instead of Hightower as stated in his declaration.

In his fourth tour he served no less than three months all of
which time he served as a Captain except four days which four
days he served as Ensign.  He says that upon examination of a
more correct data, he finds that he was mistaken as to the time
he entered the service on said tour, that he is now satisfied
that he entered on said tour about the first of November 1780
instead of 1778 & 79 as was stated in his declaration.

In his fifth tour he entered the service in the spring of 1781
and served not less than three months as a private. In his
sixth tour (which was the Scouting tour against the Tories) he
served not less that one month as a private. This deponant
further saith for answer to the 14th interogations in the brief
of objections forwarded from War Department that he was of the
opinion that the Judge of the Court did certify as to the
credibility of the winesses whose names were subscribed to the
certifivcate of his Revolutionary service. 

This deponant further saith that the Reverend James Lumford is
and was at the time of the signing therof a respectable
Clergyman of said county and tht John Gray Sizmor is and was as
aforesaid a respectable citizen of said county both resident in
the neighborhood of the aforesaid George Baker and that the
individual who drew this deponants declaration has through
mistake omited to insert the said Lunsford and Gray names in
the certificate and probably having heard this deponant speak
of getting a certain Clergyman by the name George W. Baker to
certify for him has inserted his name instead of Lunsfords whose
name should have been inserted And this deponant saith that in
all the aforesaid tours he served in the United States rmy at
least fourteen months and ten days and for which service he
claims a pension.

      his
George X Baker 
     mark



Sworn to and subscribed before me
this 9th day of July 1833
Charles B. Butler
Justice of the Peace
 
NOTE: George Baker was able to sign his name to this Application
for pension.  In 1808, he also signed his name to a note giving
his permission for daughter Nancy to marry Christopher Bolin.





            Two Andrew Baker’s & Two Mary/Mollie/Polly Bolling's
            

I found this information in the Baker_Bolin-L mailing list
archives, and thought we could revisit this subject. I copied
the actual posts, as they were posted to the list.

Read On, this is very interesting.


At 06:50 PM 11/29/97 -0800, Wilma P. Johnson  wpjohnson@kih.net wrote:

In a group of papers from Jess Wilson and Jackie Burton, I have
the following:

Children of Andrew Baker and Mollie Bolling:

[1}  John Renta Baker, b. 28 Jan. 1744 (taken from Cortland Cem.,
     letters from a direct descendant and from papers of Asberry
     Johnson),  md. Elizabeth Ferrill

{2}  Cuthburt Baker, b. 1746

[3]  Richard Baker, b. 1747/48 md. a Miss Mullins

[4]  Andrew (Rev. Andy) Baker, b. 1749, md. Elizabeth Avant

[5]  Morris Baker, b. 1751

[6]  James Baker, b. 1757

[7]  George Baker (Rev. War Vet) b. 1759, md. Susannah Morris

[8]  Bolling Baker, b. 1763, md. Patsy Morris (a sister to  Susannah)


If Andrew was born in 1692, then he would have been 52 at the
birth of this first child. BUT, if he was born 1722 (according
to papers of Asberry Johnson) then he would have been only 22
at birth of John Renta and this seems more plausible. If b. 1692
then he would have been 71 at birth of Bolling, BUT if b. 1722,
he was only 41 and this is more plausible.

Can someone help me figure out correct dates??



Ken Poole < kbpoole@atomic.net > wrote:

Hi, We have a case here in Moore County NC, where a Daniel
Maness marries to Nancy Williamson. His grandson Daniel Maness
also married a Nancy Williamson, boy, talk about confusion. I
know of other examples of this. I think there may be a case of
Andrew Baker married to Mary Bolling, twice, a generation apart.

Solution ? One way is to make a model. Make up a "theory"
Lineage, and fill it in.  Look for those giveaway names. In
the list of names below Cuthbert, or Cuthburt sticks out.
There was a Cuthbert family living in VA in the right time
frame. To be sure, you are related to them.  Find the Cuthbert
family, in the right time period, and put them into your theory
database, you may get lucky.

Find where they lived. Look for Bollings and Bakers nearby a
generation earlier. I would like to see the results of this
search, and have a record of it. Put another way, either Mary
Bolling or Andrew Baker had a mother or grandparent of that
name.

Ken



At 08:15 PM 11/29/97 -0800, Wilma P. Johnson  wpjohnson@kih.net wrote:


I am beginning to believe that this just might be the case with
Andrew Baker and Mary Bolling. If the first Andrew was b. in
1692 and md a Mollie Bolling, b. 1702 they could have had a son
Andrew b. 1722 who also md. a Mary or Mollie Bolling b. 1729.

And this just may be where we are missing the family link in
Bakers and Bollings.

The first Mary Bolling could be the dau. of Robert Bolling and
Ann Stith and the second Mary/Mollie Bolling could be the dau.
of Edward Bolling and Ms. Slaughter, which could be where all
the confusion has come in.



Ken Poole < kbpoole@atomic.net > wrote:


OK Wilma and all, I think you are on the right trail, but for
one thing:

The Edward Bolling, and Slaughter information was put into place
by the BFA. I would be extremely careful before I used that.
Remember they have produced nothing to show it to be a fact. I
go after original documentation if I can find it. Such as bible
records, or tombstone evidence or wills and deeds. I have gone
over the wills, deeds and such in that area of VA. While I know
it's possible to miss something, I have yet to find any evidence
of this relationship.

In fact one gentleman wrote of Edwards death, and his friends
death (they died at the same time): "Two handsome young men".
Todd Bolen gives Edwards date of birth as 1687, and his death
as 1710. And goes on to say there were six children, but gives
no names for the children, except for a Benjamin, nor does Todd
give us his source for this.
Page 15, of Todd's Book, the last edition 8/2/96.

Not bad baby, making for a "Handsome young man", often at sea,
and dead at the age of 23 with not one, but six children. Did
Handsome young man refer to his sexual preferences?

We would have to go back into his time to find out, but some
might conclude that. And they may be doing it because more than
one  Blue Bolling writer has said she was a sister to Benjamin
Bolling. I hope no one is upset with me for saying what I see.

It's just like the William Bolling/Simms information. The BFA
put that out also, and there is not one shred of evidence to
support it.  Ask Alice in Huston where she got that information.
I spent some time looking at that data, but data not from Alice
as she never sent it to me, she just told me of it.

**(Leslie's note: Alice of Houston, passed away about 6 months ago)**


In fact, some think that William/Simms may be a brother to
Thomas de Bowling born in "Kippax" according to the Colclough
family, in 1696. the son of Robert Bolling of Kippax.

And three, the Benjamin Bolling information on Jarrett Bowling,
they spoke of, doesn't check "date wise" for our families; it's
another man entirely. We ran that down also.

It's my opinion that the more things change, the more they
remain the same. Until someone comes up with some quality
documentation, stay with the oldest documentation. It's the
prudent thing to do.

Read all you can find on the subject. Some of us have been
listing reading material, and we are putting it in the
Newsletter.


To all, If you know of reading material that ought to be listed
please let us know, and I will add it to list of Bolling Books
webpage.


UNTIL NEXT TIME
LESLIE

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