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Date Posted Subject Matter Writer
November 5, 1998 In Re: Baba Ram Dass Barbara/Roger
November 4, 1998 Mother Earth Changes/Sacred Circle Carlos White Eagle/Roger
November 4, 1998 Hopi Elders Say Earth Changes Are Upon Us Immanual Hunt
July 31, 1998 spirit? Roma
July 25, 1998 Joan Borysenko outing Roger Ebsen

 

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In Re: Baba Ram Dass
Original Inquiry from Barbara
Roger: Response 1
Roger: Ram Dass quote
Barbara: Meeting Rama in Bali
Roger: Response 2
Barbara Responds OK
Roger: Contacting Ram Dass & Links
 
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Hirschfeld/Sussman wrote:

I had been searching for news of ram dass, in vain, because I was searching in the
wrong web zone or something. i persevered, because I had an experience last week
in Bali, meeting someone named Rama and we talked of Ram Dass, who was my
inspiration some 30 years ago, and who continued to cross paths with me throughout
my life.I finally found the right path to ram dass, and found your extraordinary story
of seeing him in San Francisco. Every meeting I have ever had with him has been
extraordinary. I am glad to hear he is still with us, blowing people's minds, and
chuckling through it all. I live so far away, it was a blessing to be with him through
you. I too have never had a guru, but i guess he comes the closest.I'll never forget
the last time I saw him, in Santa Rosa, about 7.5 years ago. That twinkle in his eye,
saying how Baba was working his mysteries around us. I picked him up hitchhiking
one time outside of Boston, and drove him to his family home in Lincoln, NH, and
stayed a while. And he remembered this, and said, you -hey everybody, this is
my angel!!! and then told them the story. Every meeting with him has been a
miracle and a meeting of minds. Now that his mind has been "stroked" I want
to reach out to him again. How can I?
 
Thanks, and who are you anyway.
 
barbara
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1998 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: ram dassHello Barbara:

I am so glad that you found your way to that Ram Dass story.

Who I am and what Spiritwalk is is a long story. I am a guy who has been on a
spiritual path my entire life, on the periphery and then a couple years ago I got a
calling to do this group ~ Spiritwalk. I would love to tell you more about this, if you
are interested. However, in light of Ram Dass' teachings...I am nobody and I'm not
interested in somebody training. BTW, I have been studying Ram Dass' books since
BeHereNow was $3.33 and first met up with him in the early 70's, but I am not a
groupie.

I will do some thinking about how to see Ram Dass again and will write you later
if I get inspiration. Anyhow, I appreciate your comments about the Ram Dass article
on Spiritwalk. I am curious how you got to it. Did some browser get you there?

Maybe you could tell me a little more about yourself.

ALSO, I would love to hear your story about meeting someone named Rama in Bali
last week. WOW!

Hope to hear from you.

Namaste`

Roger
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Subject: ram dass
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:16:29 -0800
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
References: 1


Barbara~

Just a thought.

Remember,
we are all affecting the world every moment,
whether we mean to or not.
Our actions and states of mind matter,
because we're so deeply interconnected with one another.
Working on our own consciousness
is the most important thing that we are doing at any moment,
and being love is the supreme creative act.

~ Ram Dass

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Hirschfeld/Sussman wrote:

HOW I GOT YOUR ARTICLE - by sniffing up and down trails on the Internet, searching
for news of Ram Dass.Since I had this auspicious meeting in Bali with Rama, I felt it
was time to reconnect, and refuel, as it were. I also was thinking of him, how was he
coping now with the stroke and its aftermath. Just wanted to say hello to an old friend,
as it were.Thank you for the poem, I will put it in my wallet, next to St. Augustine's
prayer and Don Juan's the Path with Heart, which I carry around for years. Very nice
to connect with you, too. About meeting up with Rama, it was in a lovely vegetarian
restaurant in Ubud. I was with my family. We were revisiting this restaurant where
we had been 7 years earlier. It was still ther, still dreamy, although they were working
on a building and the noise of the construction was close by. STill we sat on pillows,
eating humus and pita bread, as we overlooked the rice paddies, and listened to the
tinkle of the bamboo wind chimes, and sipped our papaya banana drinks. a fellow with
very long hair and a beard - an old hippie - comes in and sits in the adjoining bagoda -
I couldnt help but ask him where he was from and if he had been in California in the
70's and if he knew of Stephen Gaskin and had ever been part of his Monday Night
Class (as I had once) - no, he hadn't but that started us talking about "gurus we
have known." I am not sure how but it wasn't long before he talked about Ram Dass,
and I immediately felt his presence, and we talked about the stroke, and I immediately
said he is probably chuckling with those twinkling eyes of his at how his guru was really
teaching him a good lesson now, I felt the essence of Ram Dass, I remembered him
humming to the sound of the windshield wipers in my car that day I picked him up on
the highway going north out of Boston - that spirit of joy and sense of humor about it
all. Who am I to say that was his essence? sorry - I mean, I felt something about him,
uniquely him, yet shared with him by me and whomever else would be in that presence.
Like he is in on the Joke of it all.So, as we talked, Rama and I, the music in the restaurant
changed and a beautiful chant came on. After listening a while, I asked Rama's lady
friend if she knew what it meant, thinking it was Balinese or Indonesian - and Rama
replied, actually I say this chant every morning. Then I realized it was from India.
I had a feeling, since my mother died recently, I had a feeling this was a chant that would
help me in coping with her death, as I am struggling with that every day. So I asked him
if he could tell me what it meant. He said it was complicated, so that I should meet him
the next day and he would give me a copy of the words. I listened and listened that night
to this wonderful chant, the "Maha Mritunjaya Mantram" - sure enough the next day, I
got my own copy of the words, and the meaning, and sure enough, its words include
"from fear of death may he cut us free, to realize immortality." So, that is the story of
my meeting with Rama. He urged me several times to try to contact Ram Dass, since
the energy clearly went UP when we spoke of him. I agreed. I live in Indonesia, with
my family, husband and two kids. Husband is a geologist, I teach at the International
School - currently teaching health, and psychology, and writing. We have been overseas
for eight years, and I use the computer and email and all, to stay in touch with friends,
and make new friends. Currently I am using it to connect for my spiritual well being.
So thank you for writing back.
 
Barbara

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From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: ram dass

Dear Barbara:

I really enjoyed reading your story about Bali/Rama/Ram Dass. I am very interested
in seeing the words and translation of this Indian Chant [Maha Mritunjaya Mantram].
You might find it interesting that as I was receiving your story of connection with Ram
Dass, one of the spiritwalk members was telling me the story of her telling a group of
friends of my recent meeting with Ram Dass which she had read on the website and
as she was reciting this she left her body and actually visits the original scene. She had
never seen or met and probably knows little or nothing about who he is and who he was
and and yet described him and the scene in exacting detail. Two of her friends had
extensive experience with Ram Dass and tried to help her to understand what had
happened but she was very confused yet I think elated by the experience. Weird Stuff.

Sounds like you've been around this for a long time. I live in the Los Angeles area, but
I remember seeing Steven Gaskin once and loved the Monday Night class and his other
books. Are you up on what's going on with him these days?

I also was thinking it might be interesting to post your letter on the Spiritwalk bulletin
board and see if anyone might respond to it (with your permission). We get about 200
visitors a week somehow and maybe we can connect up around the ram dass thing. I
went on line a little bit and someone claimed to have seen Ram Dass last week in Santa
Cruz as he gave a talk (for hours) about the stroke etc. Sounds like he is doing even
better than when I saw him in August.
 
Thanks for writing back.

Namaste`

Roger

p.s. How would you like to get on the Spiritwalk mailing list and get the Spiritwalk
Thought for the day every morning? (California Time)
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Subject: Re: ram dass
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:45:32 +0700
From: "Hirschfeld/Sussman" <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
To: "Roger Ebsen" <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>


Yes, you may post it,
and yes I'd love the thought for the day.
thanks,
barbara
 

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Subject: In re: Ram Dass
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:59:54 -0800
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: bsuss@cbn.net.id


Hi Barbara:

Thanks for your return e-mail.

I forgot to include some links somewhere back there.

You can write to Ram Dass at

524 San Anselmo Avenue, #203
San Anselmo, CA. 94960

You can send e-mail to Ram Dass at RDTapes@aol.com


Some links to Ram Dass sites
Spiritwalk's Ram Dass Page http://www.spiritwalk.org/ramdas.htm

Information on Ram Dass sightings and health
Bulletin Board: http://www.cleverlink.com/wwwboard/messages/87.html


A magazine issue dedicated to Ram Dass
http://www.island.org/ISLANDVIEWS/VIEWS4/index.html



Tape Sources
Hanuman Foundation http://ramdasstapes.org/
New Medicine Tapes http: www.ccnet.com/~newmed/ramdass.htm


More Later

Namaste'

Roger

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Subject: Mother Earth Changes/Sacred Circle
   
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: cwe@lucernevalley.net <cwe@lucernevalley.net>
Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 10:58 PM
Subject: Mother Earth Changes

Hey Carlos White Eagle:

I found this tonight and was reminded of our conversation. Thought you'd find it
interesting.

Hows the new book going??? I read your White Eagle poem to my group the other
night. All were impressed.

Here you go. I found this at... http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/basic/hopi-elders.htm
 
 

See ya...

Roger Ebsen



Hopi Elders Say Earth Changes Are Upon Us

by Immanual Hunt

During the past week there have been a few events that deserve our attention,
thought, and examination.

In an unprecedented and totally unexpected way, Hopi Elders for the first time in
history have openly shared their sacred, and heretofore secret prophecies with the
world. Robert Ghost Wolf, noted Native American Prophet and author arranged for
two Hopi Elders to appear for three hours on the nationally aired Art Bell show
(out of Pahrump, NV) and freely discuss their sacred, and heretofore secret prophecies.
It has been said by many who have had limited access to the prophecies in the past,
that the Hopi prophecies of the coming earth changes are among the most ancient and
accurate available. The Elders have come forth at this time because they believe that
we have passed the point of no return and major changes are imminent, beginning
within the next few months. It is their hope to &ldquo;soften&rdquo; the effects by
appealing to all to return to a simpler, more spiritual way of life.

Last month at Spiritual Endeavors (and returning again this coming month) noted
author, environmentalist, and channeler, Rev.Fred Sterling carried much the same
message. Rev. Sterling emphasized that "The Great Shift" has already begun. It is
happening now. In other related recent events, Gordon Michael Scallion, Robert
Ghost Wolf, and other modern day prophets began predicting major Earth Changes,
especially noticeable in the state of California among other places, beginning this
summer. And now the Hopi Elders have gone on national radio with the same message.

So, the Earth is changing? The Great Shift is upon us? What is one to do? I offer the
following in reply.

First of all, if you are in denial - get over it. Open up your eyes. Take a look around.
How's the weather in your neck of the woods?  Perhaps it's a little different than it's
ever been for your locality? Try to find out what's really going on. You wont find out
by watching Hard Copy, or even the Evening News. You'll have to get away from the
latest political scandal of who is sleeping with whom and dig just a little deeper to find
the things of real importance.

Did you know that tornadoes have been spotted, for the first time in history, that are
spinning the wrong way?

Did you know that there are places in Mexico where the ground temperature is heating
up in excess of 200 degrees?

Did you know that during a seven day period in early June there were 772 earthquakes
recorded on the California - Nevada border near Mammoth Lake? (Gordon Michele Scallion
and others are predicting a volcanic eruption there this summer.)

Did you know that on May 31st, the jet stream (an extremely fast wind current that
flows through the upper atmosphere) touched ground for the first time in recorded
history?

Did you know that all over North America, migratory birds have stopped returning to
their nesting grounds? And that salmon are no longer returning to their spawning
grounds? And indigenous tribes throughout the world have stopped having children?

Okay, so much for denial. Once you accept that change is happening, LET GO OF FEAR.
Realize that it is a time of change and not necessarily a time of fear. Fear clouds good
judgement and put heavy blocks between the inner intuition, which will be so important
during this time, and your conscious mind. The earth changing will not kill you; it changes
all the time! But fear, denial, and not being open to your Inner Self and your intuition may.

Once accepted, and FEAR IS NOT AN ISSUE, investigate. Learn all you can about what is
happening.  The Internet can be an invaluable tool here. For the price of a VCR you can
now interact with the world on intimate terms from your living room or office.  Through
the Internet, you'll be able to discover what you'll never hear on the six o'clock news.
You will no longer be at the mercy of news programs governed and determined by
entertainment ratings.

If your means can't afford Internet access, they can surely afford the radio. But you'll
have to twist that dial off the music stations. Talk radio is a good place to begin. Art Bell's
Coast To Coast A.M. originates locally and is broadcast nationally. Guests as well as
callers will keep you informed of things that you'll never hear on the television. Another
locally produced radio program, Patte Purcell's Next Dimension is currently going into
national syndication with a similar venue. Turning off the tube and turning on the
transistor can open many new paths to information.

And if your means are truly meager, a bus trip to the library will be within your reach.
Aside from Internet access, videos, and taped radio programs, libraries have plenty
of recent magazines and books.

A word of caution may be helpful when you begin your investigating. When one steps
out from under the umbrella of mainstream media and begins to learn what is really
happening in the world, there is often the tendency towards anger. Why hasn't anyone
told me this before.  Why isn't this on the News? There's a conspiracy going on to keep
us in the dark!  My advise here is to let it pass. Finding out who's responsible and the
inner workings of the government or large conglomerate corporations is a tangent that
will not only waist time, but probably lead you into deeper anger and fear and further
away from love and truth.

Instead, take the path advised by the Hopi Elders and offered to the world on June 15
over national radio. Rediscover your spirituality. &ldquo;If you change now, and change
your life around, it will help in the alleviation of much of the terrible outcome from the
cataclysms. There is a lot in store for all of us. And the intensity of this will be a lot less
if we can all settle down and behave, and
not be in the actions that we are right now.&rdquo; The Hopi Elder went on to explain
that it makes no difference whether your spirituality falls in line with an organized
philosophy or religion, or if it is something that you have come up with and practice
on your own.
 
Practice your spirituality, whatever it may be, like you have never practiced it before.
And realize that your consciousness affects the outcome. Your consciousness effects
everything. Realize that your thoughts, words and actions of today contribute to what
the world will be like tomorrow.

There you have it. Four easy steps to surviving the earth changes and all the prophecies.
Keep your eyes open.
Let go of fear.
Learn all you can.
Live your spirituality.
It all sounds pretty simple. It almost sounds like it could even be fun.
And that's a very important point to keep in mind. Fun.

True spirituality is fun. Very big fun. Joy is probably a better word; bliss perhaps even
better. If your spiritual path is not leading you on a path of joy, I would suggest that it's
perhaps time to start shopping around. I have come to the understanding (and it has
taken a lot of sorrow to get here) that experiencing joy is the most spiritual thing that
one can do in the course of their day. Joy is infectious. It changes and charges the very
air that you walk through. It lightens the hearts of those around you. And in these
troubled times I can think of no better healing energy to saturate the Earth with. Joy!
Why not take a few moments during each day just to pause and think of something that
makes you very happy? Try it. You&rsquo;ll like it. It might even become a habit.

Well, I guess there&rsquo;s only one more point that need to be addressed here. It's
usually the position adopted by most skeptics and those in denial as a justification for
their position. What if the Hopi Elders are wrong?   What if Gordon Michael Scallion,
Robert Ghost Wolf, Edgar Cayce, and all those other modern day prophets are wrong?
What if the weather changes back to the way it has been in the past? What if the birds,
and the fish and babies come back? What if there are no big earth changes? What if
absolutely nothing happens at all?

To this I can only reply ~ Wouldn't that be nice?   We'd all be able to breathe a
collective sigh of relief and joy, take a look around at the Heaven we've created here
on Earth, and take great satisfaction in the fact that we didn't have to go through Hell
to get there.

Yes indeed, WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE?

Immanual Hunt
 
 
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     Date: Wed, 04 November 1998 06:18:40 -0700
        From: "Carlos White Eagle Sr." cwe@lucernevalley.net
        To: "Roger Ebsen" <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>

Hi Roger, nice to here from you.

Now nice of man to let me know
of changes to my world that I do show
the natural changes to this planit are not important
the changes to mans a must that is evident
take a ride on the donkey and hold on to the tail
the truths inside you and inside the circle not in the mail
e-mail or not man has forgot
enter the circle and you'll learn a lot
all thing have been since the beginning of time
enjoy the day, and begin within ,you see about you and I'll worry about ryme
My rythmic drum will send a message a plan for new life
now go and enjoy, and go sleep with your wife
each days a treasure weather now, or to come
tune yourself in the circle and stay in time with the drum
stop looking for mistical answers, just answer me this
is there anything greater then a smile from a child or your wife gentle kiss
I am the beginning but the ends up to you
be brave and smart, enter the circle of life and see this thing through

Creator and Carlos White Eagle 11/4/98 wednesday

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Subject: Re: Mother Earth Changes
Date: Friday, November 6, 1998 08:00:36 -0700
From: "Carlos White Eagle Sr." <cwe@lucernevalley.net>
To: "Roger Ebsen" <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>


Hi roger
sure go ahead and post it ,
your a great fellow!
how is you medicine wheel coming
hope to see you again.
 
Carlos

 

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:38:52 EDT
From: Roma
E-mail: Bolete1373@aol.com
Subject: spirit?


Are you acknowledging the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD?
 
It sounds as if you are a new age movement totally without the Trinity of God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Are you aware that the Son, Jesus ,
died for your sins, and unless you accept Him as your Lord and Saviour you WILL
go to hell when you die, or when He returns, whichever happens first? This is so sad
to see. Roger you sound like a wonderful person but works don't save you, only
accepting Jesus. He loved you so much. He is the peace you are seeking and all you
have to do is ask. I pray the Holy Spirit of God will convict you of your sins and lead
you to be bornagain and to become a child of the King. May God bless. He says that
one day "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."
Do it now and be saved or do it later and spend eternity in HELL. Please, do it now.
He died so that you could be saved from that. He brought me back from death 2 times,
three years ago. He has healed me from a leaky artery,. I have Him living in me and
have seen many miracles happen while in His presence. He is the Prince of Peace,
The Great "I AM", ElShida, the God of MORE than enough, His name is WONDERFUL,
He is, that He is. Accept Him and turn from your evil ways. Read the Bible, His inspired
word and forget the rest. If God says it you had better believe it. I do. Am praying for you.
Roma
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Date:     July 25, 1998
From:     Roger Ebsen
E-mail:   Roger@spiritwalk.org
Subject:  Spiritwalk Outing~Joan Borysenko
 
We here at Spiritwalk would like to invite all who live in the Los Angeles vicinity to
come with us on the evening of Monday, August 17, 1998 to see (and hear) a talk
by Joan Borysenko, PhD.  She will be speaking on "Ways of Connecting with God"
as detailed in her new book The Ways of the Mystic: Seven Paths to God (Available
from Spiritwalk Books.) You can get an idea of what this will be about by reading
the synopsis of this book.  You can also check out a catalogue of books by Borysenko
in this month's Spiritwalk Books Recommendations.  We are very excited about this
outing.  Check out page 2 of the current (August-September 1998) Learning Annex
catalogue (310) 478-6677 and/or call Roger at Spiritwalk  for details 818-999-2922. 
We look forward to seeing you there!

 

 

  

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