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1998


- Original Inquiry from Barbara
- Roger: Response 1
- Roger: Ram Dass quote
- Barbara: Meeting Rama in Bali
- Roger: Response 2
- Barbara Responds OK
- Roger: Contacting Ram Dass &
Links
-
- ====================
Hirschfeld/Sussman wrote:
I had been searching for news of ram dass, in vain, because I was searching in the
- wrong web zone or something. i persevered, because I had an
experience last week
- in Bali, meeting someone named Rama and we talked of Ram
Dass, who was my
- inspiration some 30 years ago, and who continued to cross
paths with me throughout
- my life.I finally found the right path to ram dass, and found
your extraordinary story
- of seeing him in San Francisco. Every meeting I have ever had
with him has been
- extraordinary. I am glad to hear he is still with us, blowing
people's minds, and
- chuckling through it all. I live so far away, it was a
blessing to be with him through
- you. I too have never had a guru, but i guess he comes the
closest.I'll never forget
- the last time I saw him, in Santa Rosa, about 7.5 years ago.
That twinkle in his eye,
- saying how Baba was working his mysteries around us. I picked
him up hitchhiking
- one time outside of Boston, and drove him to his family home
in Lincoln, NH, and
- stayed a while. And he remembered this, and said, you -hey
everybody, this is
- my angel!!! and then told them the story. Every meeting with
him has been a
- miracle and a meeting of minds. Now that his mind has been
"stroked" I want
- to reach out to him again. How can I?
-
- Thanks, and who are you anyway.
-
- barbara
-
- ==================================
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1998 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: ram dassHello Barbara:
I am so glad that you found your way to that Ram Dass story.
Who I am and what Spiritwalk is is a long story. I am a guy who has been on a
- spiritual path my entire life, on the periphery and then a
couple years ago I got a
- calling to do this group ~ Spiritwalk. I would love to tell
you more about this, if you
- are interested. However, in light of Ram Dass' teachings...I
am nobody and I'm not
- interested in somebody training. BTW, I have been studying
Ram Dass' books since
- BeHereNow was $3.33 and first met up with him in the early
70's, but I am not a
- groupie.
I will do some thinking about how to see Ram Dass again and will write you later
- if I get inspiration. Anyhow, I appreciate your comments
about the Ram Dass article
- on Spiritwalk. I am curious how you got to it. Did some
browser get you there?
Maybe you could tell me a little more about yourself.
ALSO, I would love to hear your story about meeting someone named Rama in Bali
- last week. WOW!
Hope to hear from you.
Namaste`
Roger
- ==================================
Subject: ram dass
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:16:29 -0800
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
References: 1
Barbara~
Just a thought.
Remember,
we are all affecting the world every moment,
whether we mean to or not.
Our actions and states of mind matter,
because we're so deeply interconnected with one another.
Working on our own consciousness
is the most important thing that we are doing at any moment,
and being love is the supreme creative act.
~ Ram Dass
- ================================
Hirschfeld/Sussman wrote:
HOW I GOT YOUR ARTICLE - by sniffing up and down trails on the Internet, searching
- for news of Ram Dass.Since I had this auspicious meeting in
Bali with Rama, I felt it
- was time to reconnect, and refuel, as it were. I also was
thinking of him, how was he
- coping now with the stroke and its aftermath. Just wanted to
say hello to an old friend,
- as it were.Thank you for the poem, I will put it in my
wallet, next to St. Augustine's
- prayer and Don Juan's the Path with Heart, which I carry
around for years. Very nice
- to connect with you, too. About meeting up with Rama, it was
in a lovely vegetarian
- restaurant in Ubud. I was with my family. We were revisiting
this restaurant where
- we had been 7 years earlier. It was still ther, still dreamy,
although they were working
- on a building and the noise of the construction was close by.
STill we sat on pillows,
- eating humus and pita bread, as we overlooked the rice
paddies, and listened to the
- tinkle of the bamboo wind chimes, and sipped our papaya
banana drinks. a fellow with
- very long hair and a beard - an old hippie - comes in and
sits in the adjoining bagoda -
- I couldnt help but ask him where he was from and if he had
been in California in the
- 70's and if he knew of Stephen Gaskin and had ever been part
of his Monday Night
- Class (as I had once) - no, he hadn't but that started us
talking about "gurus we
- have known." I am not sure how but it wasn't long before
he talked about Ram Dass,
- and I immediately felt his presence, and we talked about the
stroke, and I immediately
- said he is probably chuckling with those twinkling eyes of
his at how his guru was really
- teaching him a good lesson now, I felt the essence of Ram
Dass, I remembered him
- humming to the sound of the windshield wipers in my car that
day I picked him up on
- the highway going north out of Boston - that spirit of joy
and sense of humor about it
- all. Who am I to say that was his essence? sorry - I mean, I
felt something about him,
- uniquely him, yet shared with him by me and whomever else
would be in that presence.
- Like he is in on the Joke of it all.So, as we talked, Rama
and I, the music in the restaurant
- changed and a beautiful chant came on. After listening a
while, I asked Rama's lady
- friend if she knew what it meant, thinking it was Balinese or
Indonesian - and Rama
- replied, actually I say this chant every morning. Then I
realized it was from India.
- I had a feeling, since my mother died recently, I had a
feeling this was a chant that would
- help me in coping with her death, as I am struggling with
that every day. So I asked him
- if he could tell me what it meant. He said it was
complicated, so that I should meet him
- the next day and he would give me a copy of the words. I
listened and listened that night
- to this wonderful chant, the "Maha Mritunjaya
Mantram" - sure enough the next day, I
- got my own copy of the words, and the meaning, and sure
enough, its words include
- "from fear of death may he cut us free, to realize
immortality." So, that is the story of
- my meeting with Rama. He urged me several times to try to
contact Ram Dass, since
- the energy clearly went UP when we spoke of him. I agreed. I
live in Indonesia, with
- my family, husband and two kids. Husband is a geologist, I
teach at the International
- School - currently teaching health, and psychology, and
writing. We have been overseas
- for eight years, and I use the computer and email and all, to
stay in touch with friends,
- and make new friends. Currently I am using it to connect for
my spiritual well being.
- So thank you for writing back.
-
- Barbara
===================================
- From: Roger Ebsen
<spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
- To: Hirschfeld/Sussman <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: ram dass
Dear Barbara:
I really enjoyed reading your story about Bali/Rama/Ram Dass. I am very interested
- in seeing the words and translation of this Indian Chant
[Maha Mritunjaya Mantram].
- You might find it interesting that as I was receiving your
story of connection with Ram
- Dass, one of the spiritwalk members was telling me the story
of her telling a group of
- friends of my recent meeting with Ram Dass which she had read
on the website and
- as she was reciting this she left her body and actually
visits the original scene. She had
- never seen or met and probably knows little or nothing about
who he is and who he was
- and and yet described him and the scene in exacting detail.
Two of her friends had
- extensive experience with Ram Dass and tried to help her to
understand what had
- happened but she was very confused yet I think elated by the
experience. Weird Stuff.
Sounds like you've been around this for a long time. I live in the Los Angeles area, but
- I remember seeing Steven Gaskin once and loved the Monday
Night class and his other
- books. Are you up on what's going on with him these days?
I also was thinking it might be interesting to post your letter on the Spiritwalk bulletin
- board and see if anyone might respond to it (with your
permission). We get about 200
- visitors a week somehow and maybe we can connect up around
the ram dass thing. I
- went on line a little bit and someone claimed to have seen
Ram Dass last week in Santa
- Cruz as he gave a talk (for hours) about the stroke etc.
Sounds like he is doing even
- better than when I saw him in August.
-
- Thanks for writing back.
Namaste`
Roger
p.s. How would you like to get on the Spiritwalk mailing list and get the Spiritwalk
- Thought for the day every morning? (California Time)
- ==============================
- Subject: Re: ram dass
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:45:32 +0700
From: "Hirschfeld/Sussman" <bsuss@cbn.net.id>
To: "Roger Ebsen" <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
Yes, you may post it,
- and yes I'd love the thought for the day.
- thanks,
barbara
-
===============================
Subject: In re: Ram Dass
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:59:54 -0800
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: bsuss@cbn.net.id
Hi Barbara:
Thanks for your return e-mail.
I forgot to include some links somewhere back there.
You can write to Ram Dass at
524 San Anselmo Avenue, #203
San Anselmo, CA. 94960
You can send e-mail to Ram Dass at RDTapes@aol.com
Some links to Ram Dass sites
Spiritwalk's Ram Dass Page http://www.spiritwalk.org/ramdas.htm
Information on Ram Dass sightings and health
Bulletin Board: http://www.cleverlink.com/wwwboard/messages/87.html
A magazine issue dedicated to Ram Dass
http://www.island.org/ISLANDVIEWS/VIEWS4/index.html
Tape Sources
Hanuman Foundation http://ramdasstapes.org/
New Medicine Tapes http: www.ccnet.com/~newmed/ramdass.htm
More Later
Namaste'
Roger
-

- Subject: Mother Earth
Changes/Sacred Circle
-
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ebsen <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
To: cwe@lucernevalley.net <cwe@lucernevalley.net>
Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 10:58 PM
Subject: Mother Earth Changes
Hey Carlos White Eagle:
I found this tonight and was reminded of our conversation. Thought you'd find it
- interesting.
Hows the new book going??? I read your White Eagle poem to my group the other
- night. All were impressed.
Here you go. I found this at... http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/basic/hopi-elders.htm
-
-
See ya...
Roger Ebsen

Hopi Elders Say Earth Changes Are Upon Us
by Immanual Hunt
During the past week there have been a few events that deserve our attention,
- thought, and examination.
In an unprecedented and totally unexpected way, Hopi Elders for the first time in
- history have openly shared their sacred, and heretofore
secret prophecies with the
- world. Robert Ghost Wolf, noted Native American Prophet and
author arranged for
- two Hopi Elders to appear for three hours on the nationally
aired Art Bell show
- (out of Pahrump, NV) and freely discuss their sacred, and
heretofore secret prophecies.
- It has been said by many who have had limited access to the
prophecies in the past,
- that the Hopi prophecies of the coming earth changes are
among the most ancient and
- accurate available. The Elders have come forth at this time
because they believe that
- we have passed the point of no return and major changes are
imminent, beginning
- within the next few months. It is their hope to
“soften” the effects by
- appealing to all to return to a simpler, more spiritual way
of life.
Last month at Spiritual Endeavors (and returning again this coming month) noted
- author, environmentalist, and channeler, Rev.Fred Sterling
carried much the same
- message. Rev. Sterling emphasized that "The Great
Shift" has already begun. It is
- happening now. In other related recent events, Gordon Michael
Scallion, Robert
- Ghost Wolf, and other modern day prophets began predicting
major Earth Changes,
- especially noticeable in the state of California among other
places, beginning this
- summer. And now the Hopi Elders have gone on national radio
with the same message.
So, the Earth is changing? The Great Shift is upon us? What is one to do? I offer the
- following in reply.
First of all, if you are in denial - get over it. Open up your eyes. Take a look around.
- How's the weather in your neck of the woods? Perhaps
it's a little different than it's
- ever been for your locality? Try to find out what's really
going on. You wont find out
- by watching Hard Copy, or even the Evening News. You'll have
to get away from the
- latest political scandal of who is sleeping with whom and dig
just a little deeper to find
- the things of real importance.
Did you know that tornadoes have been spotted, for the first time in history, that are
- spinning the wrong way?
Did you know that there are places in Mexico where the ground temperature is heating
- up in excess of 200 degrees?
Did you know that during a seven day period in early June there were 772 earthquakes
- recorded on the California - Nevada border near Mammoth Lake?
(Gordon Michele Scallion
- and others are predicting a volcanic eruption there this
summer.)
Did you know that on May 31st, the jet stream (an extremely fast wind current that
- flows through the upper atmosphere) touched ground for the
first time in recorded
- history?
Did you know that all over North America, migratory birds have stopped returning to
- their nesting grounds? And that salmon are no longer
returning to their spawning
- grounds? And indigenous tribes throughout the world have
stopped having children?
Okay, so much for denial. Once you accept that change is happening, LET GO OF FEAR.
- Realize that it is a time of change and not necessarily a
time of fear. Fear clouds good
- judgement and put heavy blocks between the inner intuition,
which will be so important
- during this time, and your conscious mind. The earth changing
will not kill you; it changes
- all the time! But fear, denial, and not being open to your
Inner Self and your intuition may.
Once accepted, and FEAR IS NOT AN ISSUE, investigate. Learn all you can about what is
- happening. The Internet can be an invaluable tool here.
For the price of a VCR you can
- now interact with the world on intimate terms from your
living room or office. Through
- the Internet, you'll be able to discover what you'll never
hear on the six o'clock news.
- You will no longer be at the mercy of news programs governed
and determined by
- entertainment ratings.
If your means can't afford Internet access, they can surely afford the radio. But you'll
- have to twist that dial off the music stations. Talk radio is
a good place to begin. Art Bell's
- Coast To Coast A.M. originates locally and is broadcast
nationally. Guests as well as
- callers will keep you informed of things that you'll never
hear on the television. Another
- locally produced radio program, Patte Purcell's Next
Dimension is currently going into
- national syndication with a similar venue. Turning off the
tube and turning on the
- transistor can open many new paths to information.
And if your means are truly meager, a bus trip to the library will be within your reach.
- Aside from Internet access, videos, and taped radio programs,
libraries have plenty
- of recent magazines and books.
A word of caution may be helpful when you begin your investigating. When one steps
- out from under the umbrella of mainstream media and begins to
learn what is really
- happening in the world, there is often the tendency towards
anger. Why hasn't anyone
- told me this before. Why isn't this on the News?
There's a conspiracy going on to keep
- us in the dark! My advise here is to let it pass.
Finding out who's responsible and the
- inner workings of the government or large conglomerate
corporations is a tangent that
- will not only waist time, but probably lead you into deeper
anger and fear and further
- away from love and truth.
Instead, take the path advised by the Hopi Elders and offered to the world on June 15
- over national radio. Rediscover your spirituality.
“If you change now, and change
- your life around, it will help in the alleviation of much of
the terrible outcome from the
- cataclysms. There is a lot in store for all of us. And the
intensity of this will be a lot less
- if we can all settle down and behave, and
not be in the actions that we are right now.” The Hopi Elder went on to explain
- that it makes no difference whether your spirituality falls
in line with an organized
- philosophy or religion, or if it is something that you have
come up with and practice
- on your own.
-
- Practice your spirituality, whatever it may be, like you have
never practiced it before.
- And realize that your consciousness affects the outcome. Your
consciousness effects
- everything. Realize that your thoughts, words and actions of
today contribute to what
- the world will be like tomorrow.
- There you have it. Four easy steps to surviving the earth
changes and all the prophecies.
- Keep your eyes open.
- Let go of fear.
- Learn all you can.
- Live your spirituality.
- It all sounds pretty simple. It almost sounds like it could
even be fun.
And that's a very important point to keep in mind. Fun.
True spirituality is fun. Very big fun. Joy is probably a better word; bliss perhaps even
- better. If your spiritual path is not leading you on a path
of joy, I would suggest that it's
- perhaps time to start shopping around. I have come to the
understanding (and it has
- taken a lot of sorrow to get here) that experiencing joy is
the most spiritual thing that
- one can do in the course of their day. Joy is infectious. It
changes and charges the very
- air that you walk through. It lightens the hearts of those
around you. And in these
- troubled times I can think of no better healing energy to
saturate the Earth with. Joy!
- Why not take a few moments during each day just to pause and
think of something that
- makes you very happy? Try it. You’ll like it. It
might even become a habit.
- Well, I guess there’s only one more point that need
to be addressed here. It's
- usually the position adopted by most skeptics and those in
denial as a justification for
- their position. What if the Hopi Elders are
wrong? What if Gordon Michael Scallion,
- Robert Ghost Wolf, Edgar Cayce, and all those other modern
day prophets are wrong?
- What if the weather changes back to the way it has been in
the past? What if the birds,
- and the fish and babies come back? What if there are no big
earth changes? What if
- absolutely nothing happens at all?
To this I can only reply ~ Wouldn't that be nice? We'd all be able to breathe
a
- collective sigh of relief and joy, take a look around at the
Heaven we've created here
- on Earth, and take great satisfaction in the fact that we
didn't have to go through Hell
- to get there.
Yes indeed, WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE?
Immanual Hunt
-
-
- =============================================
-
- Date: Wed, 04 November 1998 06:18:40
-0700
From: "Carlos White Eagle Sr." cwe@lucernevalley.net
To: "Roger Ebsen"
<spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
Hi Roger, nice to here from you.
Now nice of man to let me know
of changes to my world that I do show
the natural changes to this planit are not important
the changes to mans a must that is evident
take a ride on the donkey and hold on to the tail
the truths inside you and inside the circle not in the mail
e-mail or not man has forgot
enter the circle and you'll learn a lot
all thing have been since the beginning of time
enjoy the day, and begin within ,you see about you and I'll worry about ryme
My rythmic drum will send a message a plan for new life
now go and enjoy, and go sleep with your wife
each days a treasure weather now, or to come
tune yourself in the circle and stay in time with the drum
stop looking for mistical answers, just answer me this
is there anything greater then a smile from a child or your wife gentle kiss
I am the beginning but the ends up to you
be brave and smart, enter the circle of life and see this thing through
Creator and Carlos White Eagle 11/4/98 wednesday
============================================
-
- Subject: Re: Mother Earth Changes
Date: Friday, November 6, 1998 08:00:36 -0700
From: "Carlos White Eagle Sr." <cwe@lucernevalley.net>
To: "Roger Ebsen" <spiritwalk@earthlink.net>
Hi roger
sure go ahead and post it ,
- your a great fellow!
- how is you medicine wheel coming
hope to see you again.
-
- Carlos


- Date:
Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:38:52 EDT
From: Roma
- E-mail: Bolete1373@aol.com
Subject: spirit?
Are you acknowledging the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD?
-
- It sounds as if you are a new age movement totally without the
Trinity of God the
- Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Are you aware that the
Son, Jesus ,
- died for your sins, and unless you accept Him as your Lord and
Saviour you WILL
- go to hell when you die, or when He returns, whichever happens first?
This is so sad
- to see. Roger you sound like a wonderful person but works don't save
you, only
- accepting Jesus. He loved you so much. He is the peace you are
seeking and all you
- have to do is ask. I pray the Holy Spirit of God will convict you of
your sins and lead
- you to be bornagain and to become a child of the King. May God bless.
He says that
- one day "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus
Christ is Lord."
- Do it now and be saved or do it later and spend eternity in HELL.
Please, do it now.
- He died so that you could be saved from that. He brought me back from
death 2 times,
- three years ago. He has healed me from a leaky artery,. I have Him
living in me and
- have seen many miracles happen while in His presence. He is the
Prince of Peace,
- The Great "I AM", ElShida, the God of MORE than enough, His
name is WONDERFUL,
- He is, that He is. Accept Him and turn from your evil ways. Read the
Bible, His inspired
- word and forget the rest. If God says it you had better believe it. I
do. Am praying for you.
- Roma
-
-
-

Date: July 25, 1998
- From: Roger Ebsen
- E-mail: Roger@spiritwalk.org
- Subject: Spiritwalk Outing~Joan Borysenko
-
- We here at Spiritwalk would like to invite all who live in the Los
Angeles vicinity to
- come with us on the evening of Monday, August 17, 1998 to see (and
hear) a talk
- by Joan Borysenko, PhD. She will be speaking on "Ways of
Connecting with God"
- as detailed in her new book
The Ways of the
Mystic: Seven Paths to God (Available
- from Spiritwalk Books.) You can get an idea of what this will be
about by reading
- the synopsis
of this book. You can also check out a catalogue of books by Borysenko
- in this month's Spiritwalk Books
Recommendations. We are very excited about this
- outing. Check out page 2 of the current (August-September 1998)
Learning Annex
- catalogue (310) 478-6677 and/or call Roger at Spiritwalk for
details 818-999-2922.
- We look forward to seeing you there!

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