AP: God is omniscient, He knew that Cain had killed Abel.

AP: God did not have a beef with Cain. Cain came to God with an impure motive behind his sacrifice, without true faith. God didn't accept it, and then Cain became bitter and jealous. God even encourages Cain, He says "Cain won't you also be excepted if you do well?" God is trying to get Cain on the right track, but Cain is choosing to allow jealousy to rule him instead of God. This is very clear form the passage

Vj ~ And what makes you think it (sacrificed meat) will be wasted, if the Christians decide to continue the practice?
AP: I only meant that the animal was not killed and then left to rot, or wasted. I thought you were indicating that the sacrifce was that much worse because the animal was not eaten. Christians don't have to sacrifice, Jesus was our sacrifice.

Vj ~ What other evil did Cain commit besides killing his brother? The only one I can think of, he screwed his own sister, but that is not his fault since god created no other family.
AP: No, the Bible says that he lacked faith, and sin ruled over him.

AP: Now you are not looking to reason but simply argue.

Vj ~The hypocrisy lies with Christians who would not investigate other theories even to verify their own to be true. They show compunction for creatures they do not eat (cats, dogs, etc.), while they are busy eating others they can't resist eating. If what goes into you is clean, why don't you eat cats, you hypocrite?
AP: People probably don't eat cats because of taste.

AP: In vietnam and korea they eat dogs all the time.

AP: I'm sure that Christians in these countries eat dogs also. Now you are attacking the western culture and not Christianity. Many Christians have investigated other beliefs, it only proves to them more that the God of the Bible is the True Living God. It is not hipocracy, that is saying one thing and doing another.

Vj ~ Your Jesus is an idiot also, do not fat and viruses which enter from the outside affect the heart and body also? It stands to good reasoning that when a man (Pope - Parkinsons, Billy Graham - prostate cancer, Paster John Wesley - stroke), suffers from incurable diseases it is due to uncleanliness of food (meat) and filth (the bible).
AP: Tell me Vj, what do vegetarians die of?

AP: What you eat will not condemn you, that is what Jesus is saying, but what is in you heart will. You are not making any sense.

AP: Vj, answer this question. Who made man and woman? How many did he create at the beginning?

AP: What did He make them out of?

What is HIS name? Don't be afraid to tell me HIs name, Vijai

Vj ~ Have you taken them (your children) to the slaugherhouse jackass? I have heard and I myself have been on numerous school trips to farms and other industrial complexes but never heard of one going to a slaugtherhouse. Why should it be so shameful? After all, it is only food, if not the largest, the most striving industrial success, for almost the whole population?
AP: Let's get back to your argument with the God of the Bible.

Vj ~ Brilliant men I would say, even more brilliant that your god and Jesus. If heaven is not eternal, how can you enjoy eternal life in it? Besides I do not expect a fool to know what laws God is subjected to.
AP: The Bible says God will make a new heaven and a new earth.

AP: You wouldn't know this though becasue you speak before you read.

AP: That is why I have not railed against your beliefs.

AP: It is the fool who says that God, who is omniscient, is subjected to anything.

Vj ~ How would you know that when the bible has taught you to be nothing else but a liar also? And you are so stuck up with filth that you care not to investigate anything else. Perhaps you are scared stiff of really coming to know the truth.
AP: John 8:31-32 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

AP: I have already come to the truth.

AP: You Vijai are still in darkness. And you should be afraid to enter into the presence of GOD with your sins still on your account because you have not accepted Jesus as your savior.

Vj ~ It seems to me that all you idiots do, is make up your own rules on who goes to heaven or hell. The worst of it all, is that from all eternity this idiot of a god has only now decided to create some planets and inhabit one with a bunch fools who want to live on live like this idiot god for all eternity. Look at the anger and pain this god went through to set things right without any success so far, except that the blood of another idiot,after another 4000 years of trials and tribulatons, is all it takes to make things right . You would think that this god was omnicient and would have known that all this shit was going to take place and decided against creating it in the first place and chose otherwise, to continue enjoying his all-blissful state. Do Christians really know of any other purpose for his creation, except that only Christians are allowed to screw whoever and as many and wine and dine (drink alcohol, eat flesh) and then accept the blood for eternal life?
AP: Again you're proving to me that you have taken a position against the Bible without knowing what it says. That is foolish. Of course it seems that we just make everything up to you, because you don't know what it says in the first place. You are unaware that all of my answers are straight from the teaching of the Bible.

AP: All that I wrote regarding who goes to heaven and who doesn't is right out of the scriptures, you don't know this because you don't know the Word.

AP: And I am not taking any of this personally, because you are not rejecting me, you are fighting against your creator Jesus Christ.

AP: When you call me names it means I will be rewarded more, because they cursed at Jesus and I am sharing in His suffering and persecution, so curse on out of your darkened heart.

AP: Racism is an invention of the devil and man's pride, thinking that one is greater than another, in order to promote hatred.

Vj ~ I really thought it was action that always spoke louder than words.
AP: That is not a phrase out of the Bible.

AP: That is just a cheap shot that doesn't state anything.

AP: That is an invention of man.

AP: Prove that statement. I could say the same thing.

AP: That the Bible is God reaching out to man because it speaks of man's historical events. Where as the Vedas are not God's word's because they don't reference any of man's history. My statement and your's is a matter of opinion, conjecture. Neither one is provable.

AP: Jesus is God in the flesh so He can be worshipped as God.

AP: Look at the Gospels. Jesus didn't behave as a man does. His wisdom was not the wisdom of man.

AP: Man didn't invent Jesus. Look at the attributes given to the Hindu god's, jelousy, envy (Brahma) etc. The Hindu god's have originated out of the mind of man, all have life stories and attributes indicitive of man's wisdom. Heads being replaced with elephant's head, thesearecococtionsof man'smind, it is obvious. Jesus is God, I'm sorry the Hindu dieties aren't. Take that one up with God.

AP:Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, He was not a bastard.

AP: Wedlock means bound in marriage. The word bastard refers to a child born to parents who have had sexual relations before wedlock.

AP:None of those nations wold be considered "white", Jesus is the God of all nations. The God of the Bible is not "the White man's God" as you say, I have not said this anywhere. He is the Creator of all mankind, black brown, yellow, white, all of us. He loves us all and desires that all of us would be saved. That is why He came to this earth to die for your sins Vijai, whether you're white or brown or whatever. Further there are millions of followers of Jesus Christ through out the world.

AP: No, Adam and Eve were not Jews. The Jews started with Abraham.

AP: I'm guessing they were brown.

AP: Certainly they were some color. But that doesn't matter what matters is that you give your life to Jesus, and get saved.

Vj ~ You can' t say the same thing, your god don't have another creaton, past or in the future to contend with. We do and the same revelation (Vedas) keep passing on from creation to creation.
AP: I can't say the same thing because the Bible doesn't teach what the Vedic writings teach.You and I don't know what else God has created, but that doesn't concern me.

AP: What does concern you and I is this: The Bible says, Hebrews 9:27 27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

AP: We will both, at the end of this life, face our Maker and we will have to answer for the decision we made concerning Jesus Christ. Did we accept His offer or not.

AP: God came down to earth and took the form of a man, He laid down His life for us so that we could live forever with Him in Heaven.

AP: Jesus spilled His blood to wash you of your sins.

AP: They have not brought you into a personal relationship with God. But you can have this relationship with Him through Jesus Christ, our mediator.

AP: 1 Tim 2:5 5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

AP: All you have to do is ask Him to come into your life, and He will. You could ask Him right now, Vijai, and be free, a whole new creation.

AP: What is your God's name?

AP: Is your God nameless, what is His name. Why are you avoiding the question?

AP: 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

AP: Ps 99:1 1 The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. (KJV) So the earth does move, and the Bible says so, imagine that.

AP: China is 7.25% Christian out of a population of 1,262,556,787. That's 91,535,367 Christians.
India is 2.40% Christian out of a population of 1,013,661,777 (in the year 2000). That's 24,327,883 Christians.
Nigeria is 52.61% Christian out of a population of 111,506,095 people. That's 58,663,356 Christians
No one is forcing these people to be believe in Jesus and they represent all colors, your racist statments are wrong.

AP: 1. You have not read the Bible in its entirety

AP: 2. When faced with facts, you cop-out and revert to name calling.

AP: 3 . You have revealed many times a darkened heart by your filthy language.

AP: 4. You won't tell me the name of your God.

AP: 5. You say really dumb things like this below:

Vj ~ So now you have relegated your god and bible to a guessing game.
AP: Notice it says I am guessing that Adam and Eve were brown. God knows what color they were, He made them.

AP: 6. You are not seeking to know truth, but only to rail against it. For when I present truth to you show you reject it.

AP: The Bible doesn't speak about a white race, let alone say they are the only righteous, that is in your own head. It says we are all one blood. You are wrong again.

"Again, the devil taketh him up unto an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;" Matt 4:8.

Here is another verse which says it does not move.

"The Earth is permanently established. It will not move" [PSLAMS-93/1,96/10 and 104/5].

AP: The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.

AP:The Bible says that the earth is spherical, you were wrong and don't want to admit it.

Vj ~ By the way where in the Bible did the Christian Newton found calculus?
AP: Not in the BIble, it had already been written by the time Newton was alive. They know he invented it becasue his writings exist in which he derived it.

Vj ~ Well shit-brains, had you read my site, you would have found that the Vedas has been revealed to man from his first appearance on the planet about 4,000,000 years ago in this cycle of creation. Don't you think that is long enough to cover the Eygptians 5000 years ago? The remnant of the ancient Vedic civilization was the beginning of the Eygptian era. When Eygpt fell, it spread to Greece, then to the Romans and then to the Europeans and now whole world is exposed to it once again.
AP: Tell me, where do you get the information about Egypt being a remnant of the ancient Vedic civilization? I'd like to read that.

AP: Prove that the planet is 4,000,000 years old?

Vj ~ Is it the wisdom of god to kill a fig tree through anger, jackass?
AP: Matt 21:19 19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, "Let no fruit grow on you ever again." And immediately the fig tree withered away. (NKJ)
There is the verse you are referring to, where does it say Jesus was angry? If a tree produces no fruit a orchard caretaker will cut down the tree and use it for fire wood. Don't people such as yourself ever use fire wood?

AP: Further Jesus created all things, see below:
John 1:1-3 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (NKJ)

AP: So what is to say He can't cause a tree to wither if He wants it to, He made the tree.

AP: Lastly, the fig tree is used in scripture as a symbol for the Jews. He is symbolising the fact that they were not producing any fruit in their generation and that they were spiritually withered. Causing the tree to wither completely Jesus is symbolizing the fact that God's commision for the Jewish nation (to teach the world about God) was going to be taken from them, because they weren't producing fruit. It is a symbol to teach a greater point. See below.

AP: Luke 13:6-9 6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 "Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?' 8 "But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 'And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.' " (NKJ)

AP: The Hindus can do anything they want to support their religion, I'm not argueing about their religion. But through the cross of Jesus Christ I can have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe, He is my friend.

AP: Can you say that about your God?

AP: What is you God's name anyway? You keep avoiding telling me His name?

Vj ~ Again that is what the filth of a bible says right? The law is woman cannot conceived without the reproductive element and a subtle spirit cannot produce such a gross element without the physical organ. The law also calls for the action (or event) to be steady (repetitive), but it only occurred once.
AP: No the Bible says, that a baby was caused to grow inside Mary without sexual intercourse. It is a miracle, miracles don't need to continue happening, steady as you say.

AP: God made the universe, is this event repeating itself over and over also?

AP: You must not understand the meaning of the word virgin.. It means someone who has not had sexual relations, Mary didn't have relations with God or man to produce Jesus. God produced the initial creation of mankind, so He is obviously capable of producing humans without sex, He simply created one inside of Mary, without sex, that is why Jesus' birth was called a virgin birth. But you are not trying to understand this, you only want to call Jesus a bastard, again this is becasue your heart is full of filthy words and blasphemies. That is to be expected from someone rejecting Jesus' blood shed for the sins of man.

Vj ~ It shows the weaknesses of your bible, that even a sensible “fool or a hypocrite” (as you called me) can take cheap shot at it.
AP: No, a cheap shot shows the ignorance of the person saying it.

AP: Any ignorant person can take a cheap shot...that is why I have not made some stupid comment about Vedism.

AP: All you say about Islam is hypothetical.

Vj ~ But He already knew his heart, and that he had the intention of murder in it, god should have known also, whether he would confess or not.
AP: He did destroy it, what is your point?

AP: God did not have a beef with Cain. Cain came to God with an impure motive behind his sacrifice, without true faith. God didn't accept it, and then Cain became bitter and jealous. God even encourages Cain, He says "Cain won't you also be excepted if you do well?" God is trying to get Cain on the right track, but Cain is choosing to allow jealousy to rule him instead of God. This is very clear form the passage

AP: My God is omnipotent

AP: and omnipresent, He is all powerful and able to be everywhere at one time. That covers the whole universe.

AP: The only Jews were punished in the Old Testament are those that rebelled against God's authority, causing pain and suffering in their own lives and those around them. God never punished the Jews for anything but rebellion. The rebellion is an example for us of what not to do.

Vj ~ Vj ~ Never mind me, most Christians themselves don't know it and they have read Luke.
AP: So? You are the one arguing about what the verse teaches. You say that I am making things up and I am telling you that the answers are in the Bible. Whether all Christians have read and understood these things is not the issue. It is that you are arguing in ignorance.

AP: Adam was the first man, he believed in the God of the Bible who created him,

AP: Adam was not a Hindu. Hindu is not the oldest religion.

AP: If wise man are not angry then why do you express anger towards me with your words?

AP: Are you not wise?

AP: The rest of your comments above do not address my rebuttal to your initial claim that Christians are guilty of causing the extinction of animals (whales, etc.). Please rethink your position then respond.

AP: I never said that Lucifer was not created, I said that God did not make the devil, meaning God did not make him the evil power that he now is. Your intial comment was that God created the devil, He did not, He created Lucifer, then Lucifer rebelled and became the devil, that is not the same thing.

AP: The angels appear to have been created before the creation of the earth, for at its creation they are said, in the above verse, to have shouted for joy. So then Lucifer, being one of the angels, would have been with the rest when the earth was created. The Bible doesn't say that the angels were created before heaven.

AP: God doesn't need anyone to do His work, but He does assign resposibility to His creations.

AP: He has given the angels tasks to carry out, that does not mean that God is unable to complete tasks Himself.

Vj ~ How does a child six months old or even a year be held responsible to his/her conscience? Can a child use conscience to determine right from wrong you twit? Flush the waste matter out of your brains and think. Why did he let them become retarded in the first place without any fault of their own? Why is Compassion not necessary from prevention of their retarded condition rather than granting them salvation?
AP: The Child is not responsible for a conscience that it is not even aware that it has, so a six month old would not be sent to hell. No where in the Bible is a child said to be sent to hell. A child before Jesus' death would go to Abraham's Bosom, a part of hades for the righteous. After Jesus' death a child would go to heaven becasue now all sins were atoned for. The s---t is in your heart, not my brains.

AP: VJ, Go ahead and quote from your scripture.

AP: But don't pretend to have foiled what the Bible teaches when you have not read it.

AP: And there are different levels of judgement, the Bible teaches it.

AP: Lastly, God never had sex with anyone, it is never stated in the Bible.

AP: Retract your anti-Bible stance on your web page and you'll never hear from me again, that is my beef with you, you are anti-Bible without ever reading it in its entirety.

AP: If in any other forum someone was to condemn a literary work without reading it in entirety, that person's opinion would count for little, as yours does.

AP: Vj, your reasoning is degenerateing into total swearing and name calling.

AP:The above scripture is not about salvation and wheather or not someone who commits such things goes to heaven, it is about what defiles a man, what he eats or what's in his heart.

AP:Again listen to what is coming out of your mouth and know that that is what is in your heart.

AP: Yes Jesus did die for all of these things. But if you do not repent of your sins and accept the gift he is giving you, then altough your sins are paid for you will not partake in the benefit of the remission of sins.

AP: I Jn 5:7 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. These three are on, read the verse. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, no one had sex with her. It's is as simple as that.

AP:The meaning of the word virgin is someone who has not had sex yet. The Bible says Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born.That clearly means that Mary did not have sex with anyone to produce Jesus. It is a very simple concept.

AP: The Chinese Christians are suffering great persecution at the hands of their own government for their beliefs.

AP: But since they know the truth they rejoice in their trials.

AP: Vijai, Jesus loves you and wishes to clean your filthy heart. All you have to do is let him in.

AP: Jesus is not on the mountain looking at the entire world at once, therefore indicating that it is flat. Satan is tempting Him with power. The Bible clearly says in Isaiah, as I showed, that the earth is spherical. You are wrong.

We have become more civilized because of technology and yet idiots are still holding on to a faith that could neither have educated man about science nor could it have ever bring any period of peace and harmony.

AP: What is your God's name?

AP: Rom 1:18-22 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

AP: TIME says millions of people are becoming vegitarians and you see that as them rejecting what God has sanctioned to be good?

AP: Vijai, you are gropping for anything to rationalize your rejection of Jesus Christ as your savior.

AP: The Bible does not say that every one has to eat meat.

AP: In Genesis God told Noah that he could eat animals, God allows it not commands it.

AP: If someone wants to be a vegitarian that is fine by the word of God, it is that person's conviction. Likewise, if someone wants to eat meat he or she is no less a Christian for doing so.

AP: God is not interested in the stomach but the heart.

AP: This is a side issue anyway. You need to face the fact that Jesus shed His blood for you and whether you've eaten carrots or kangaroos will not matter when you stand before the Living God and have to give an answer for your decision regarding Jesus. "I know I rejected Jesus but I never ate any animals" is not going to cut it.

AP: The Bible simply does not teach that the earth is flat. You made reference to the devils' tempting of Jesus in Matthew. The verse is below. Even a cursory investigation of the Greek language, which Matthew was orginally written in, will tell you that the devil is not showing Jesus every single physical kingdom in the world.Matt 4:8 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. The meaning of the word "Kingdom" ( Gk. Basileias) is dominion or power. The meaning of the word "all" (Gk. Pas) when used collectively, as it is in this case, means some of all types.

AP: The verse is saying that the devil showed Jesus some of all types of dominions (or powers) of the whole world, not literally every physical kingdom in the world.

AP: I understand you have not asked for the meaning of the words in this verse, in fact you are not interested in understanding anything that the Bible teaches.

AP: You are only interested in taking verses out of context to support your agenda.

AP: That is fine. Jesus loves you anyway and wants you to spend eternity with Him.

AP: It is He who you are fighting against in disbelief, not me.

AP: I can understand your frustration in being presented with the Bible's truth,

AP: I never expected a reasonable argument from you, because I know that your heart is darkened by the vain philosophies of man.

AP: That's okay too, as long as I continue to expose you to the truth of God's Word, you at least have to face the true even though you reject it.

AP: I love you also, and I am praying for you.

AP: Who created you?

AP: What is the name of your God? It is a simple question.

AP: Bear witness to your God's name. Don't dodge or send me a hyperlink, name Him directly if you are able.

AP: Matt 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

AP: He is "God with us", and born of a virgin. Face it.

AP: Continue eating your vegitables and rejecting Jesus.

"There is no turpitude in eating meat, drinking alcohol or committing adultery, for it is the natural way of created beings, but abstinence brings great rewards." Manu.

AP: One day, despite your efforts to sustain the health of your body, it will stop working.

AP: You will then stand before your creator and give account for your deision regarding Jesus, Who was born of a the virgin. The One who has shed His blood for your sins will be your Judge then, He can be your Savior now.

AP: I can see that reading the Scriptures I send you makes you angry and causes filth to come out of your mouth, that is good.

"God tells Ezekiel to eat barley cakes that are made with the "dung that cometh out of man."Ezek.4:12

God trades "cow's dung for man's dung" and then tells Ezekiel to make bread out of the cow's dung. Ezek.4:15

AP: My hope is that you get tired of fighting before you die and it is too late.

AP: I will continue to pray for you, not in sin but in righteousness.

AP: The Holy Spirit will convict you of your sin and need for Jesus' forgivness. So if you hear a small still voice speaking to you, don't ignore it, repent and be saved.

AP: I Jn 5:7 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (NKJ)

AP: I am sending this again because you do not understand it yet. Read it slowly and try to see what it is saying. Matt 15:17-20 17 "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?

AP: 18 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart (this is not referring to the blood pump, but your soul), and they defile a man.

AP: 19 "For out of the heart(not the pump, the soul) proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

AP: 20 "These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

AP: Vijai, you are a hypocrite.

AP: You won't eat meat because you think it makes you clean,

AP: yet you have filth proceeding from your mouth.

AP: You curse the One True and Living God with the same mouth you eat your vegetables with. That is hypocrisy.

AP: 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

AP: 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

AP: 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

AP: 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools

AP: You are supressing the truth of God.

AP: Not that you don't know who He is, you know but refuse to believe.

AP: Bible says she was a virgin w/Child. Tell me what natural law that violates?

AP: Vjai, do you sin?

AP: What is His name?

AP: You are so bad at quoting the Bible. He was to cook it using the dung as fuel not eat the dung. People all over the world still use dried cow dung as fuel for fires.

AP: Lame cop out

AP: Lame cop-out. What is the name of your God?

AP: Looks like my God, the One True and Living God can supercede the Natural Laws of procreation

AP:After all, He made the Laws so He is not subject to them.

AP: Maybe your god is subject to them, I guess he condones filthy language from his followers too.

AP: Wanted to respond again to one of your rediculous statements, that the people in Jesus' time couldn't count past 9. Ever hear of Roman numerals?

AP:Who ruled Palestine in Jesus' time? Right, the Romans

AP:When I was a new Christian, someone showed me the apparent contradictions between the creation accounts in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. According to Genesis 1, God made the trees on day three, the birds from water on day five, and the animals on day six, all before man. But Genesis 2 records the creation of trees, animals, and birds from dirt on day six, all after man.

AP:then made 1 more of each of the animals so that Adam could name them and select a wife.

AP: Aristotle's dictum stated that when a critic criticized a document, the benefit of the doubt goes to the document not to the critic.

AP: No one has ever proven a contradiction in God's Word though thousands have tried.