Debunking Islam
Part III

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Dialogue 41
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Hello xianzebala - January 16, 2000
Anyone who gets into discussion with this singhvj vedic asshole is actually getting into discussion with a mental psychotic who thinks that his is a messenger of wisdom, while he can produce nothing but shit which is his sacred oracle.
  • Vj ~ Well, you being here shows how much you enjoy the sacred oracle of manure.

    Please ignore that dirty man, he is not worth to sink deep to his level

  • Vj ~ Let me define "a dirty man" -
    • One who calls himself righteous, a prophet of God and guilty of these disgustful and immoral actions:
    • Having sexual relations with a nine year-old child, a crime punishable by imprisonment today.
    • Lusted for his daughter-in-law, son soon divorced her, for his father (Muhammad) to fulfil his sexual desires.
      (Sura 33:37) "....Fear Allah. Then when Zayad had dissolved his marriage with her (Zainab) we joined her in marriage to thee: in order that there may be no difficulty to the believers in the matter of marriage of the wives of their adopted sons...."
    • He was a polygamist, having nine wives simultaneously, a punishable crime also today.
    • He committed adultery, having concubines.
      Hafsa, one of the Prophet's wives, however, caught him having intercourse with Maria in Safiya's room. 'O Prophet of God, in my room and in my day!' fulminated Safiya angrily. Afraid of the anger of his other wives, and especially of his most beloved Ayesha, he promised Hafsa never to touch Maria again if she would keep the incident secret (Ibid., p. 213).
      But she spoke out, and the Prophet immediately received orders from God to retract his promise to Safiya; he then resumed relations with Maria (Sura 66:3).
    • He murdered Jewish men and took their wives - his way of helping widows. Safiya Bint Huyway was just one of the numerous Jewish women who became prey to Mohammed's insatiable sexual desire. Regardless of his participation in these barbaric raids Mohammed was alloted 1/5 of the booty as prescribed in the Quran, Sura 8:41.
      Rayhana Bint Zayd was another Jewish woman, whom Mohammed captured after her tribe was totally butchered. She was known to be a woman of immense beauty. Mohammed kept her as a concubine. (Ibid., p. 129)

    • Subjected women to humiliating and degrading conditions throughout the hadiths and the Q'uran.
      Quotes From Sahih Muslim Hadith
      Chapter 540. The prophet said that he saw a woman coming and going in the shape of a devil and she fascinated him. So he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning leather and had sexual intercourse with her. That drove out what he felt in his heart.
      Chapter 558. The prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased with her until the husband is pleased with her.
      Chpater 576. The prophet said :"Woman has been created from a rib, and will in no way be straightened for you."
      Chapter 1140: The prophet said : "The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women."
      Sura:24/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...

      Different laws for Men and Women
      (Koran 4:15) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.
      (Koran 4:16) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them.
      Had Muslims ignored this "dirty" prophet, this world would have indeed been a peaceful planet to live on.

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    Hello abdulqadr - January 16, 2000
    Mr. Singh your own experience tells you that things develop in stages. You were not born to your mother in an adult body capable of speaking and reproducing from day 1. Were you? Is this not an immutable law of nature?
  • Vj ~ The method of conception was the reproductive element and growing older and die as in the case of things finite even your Paradise with all its virgins, this is what the law dictates.

    You did not start feeding your own children with solid food also from day 1? Did you not feed them milk? How can you then argue that things do not develop through stages and have different needs at different times?

  • Vj ~ The immutable laws of nature, the nature, attributes, characteristic and instructions of an Omniscient God can never be subjected to inconsistencies or changes because of our changing needs. It is ignorant to think that these changes can be made.

    It seems you are using this board as a chance to hurl abuse at others based upon an incorrect historical knowledge. Muhammad (saw) married Aisha after the age of 17 (I can prove this from Hadith if you are interested in gaining correct knowledge).

  • Vj ~ I have no need to accuse anyone falsely, but only to improve the understanding of the innocent from what is false.
    Recorded in Hadith Sahih Muslim (Vol. 3, p. 577) with the commentary of al-Nawawi. Aisha said, "The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old."
    This was from Sahih Muslim, and a similar text is reiterated several times in Sahih al-Bukhari, part 7.
    This means she was 17 when Muhammad died at 62. If this "correct knowledge" is from you own Hadiths, how can you accuse me of hurling abuse? If this "historical knowledge" is incorrect why should I or anyone else be blamed for it?

    Or maybe you are not interested in discussion but only enjoy arguing without regards to the correct facts. In this case I have no time for you.

  • Vj ~ Then it is your duty not only to prove me wrong, but the Hadiths of Sahih Muslim and Sahih al-Bukhari.

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    Hello ahmedd2 - January 17, 2000
    Vj ~ "The Kaaba is a huge stone, my friend! And Muslim holy places are just like pictures - they are holy because they are worshipped.
    mr vj,you came here to insult us.
  • Vj ~ On the contrary, I bring you true religion whereby if practiced, you would be free from the pains of insults. Only a fool would condemn one for worshipping stones and the like, when he himself is guilty of the same.

    this board is for moslems and and non moslems who like to learn more about Islam, thats all now.

  • Vj ~ If it is good for "non moslems" to learn more of Islam, why is not the same for "moslems" to learn more of other religions. Judging by the wrath of misery wreaked on innocent people of other faiths and even their own, around the world today, by Islam (Muslim fundamentalists or extremists) it is Muslims who really need to know more of other religions. It is obvious that Muslims cannot become civilized by the Q'uran alone, since through its intolerant teachings early Muslims were barbaric (murder, rape and plunder). On the whole and for the betterment of human civilization it would be best for all decent-minded and honest Muslims to abandon such a wretched and prejudicial religion.

    Hello Taipan - 5 January 18, 2000
    Vijai, you don’t know a shit about what you are talking about and I think it is only your fear that Islam is growing and spreading all over the world so fast is getting you paranoid.

  • Vj ~ Wise men have nothing to fear since their souls are already enriched by true wisdom. It is the nature of such wisdom to show compassion for those who have been brainwashed for centuries, believing there is a Paradise of rivers of milk, honey and wine, live in palaces, wearing beautiful ornaments and jewelry, beautiful virgins (houris) of which the men get 72 each and if they are homosexual they get 28 young boys. Can there be perpetual bliss where there are alcohol, sex and homosexual activities. The preservation of milk requires very strict purification system to prevent it from the slightest contamination of impurities, but yet in Paradise it flows in a river. Why don't you people grow up and try to understand that such nonsense is the work of an illiterate man (Muhammad), who didn't know how wrong it was and not that of an Omniscient God, to condone sexual relations with children?

    Also the fact that even born Hindus are now questioning their beliefs

  • Vj ~ Excellent, so when are Muslims going to start questioning their intolerant Koran?

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    Zem2000 - January 19, 2000
    Vijai, Namaste. Please will you read this. At the time of Muhammed (pbuh) the Arabs were a brutal, arrogant and Godless society.
  • Vj ~ Even after Muhammad and until now they are still godless, brutal and arrogant.

    Strict laws had to be enforced.

  • Vj ~ (Intolerant) Laws that favors one religion over the others cannot be called strict much less justifiable by a merciful and compassionate God.

    They took many women and baby girls were buried alive. How to control this pagan people? I'm sure you'll agree that the most secure, happy and loving environment to bring up a child is within a family.

  • Vj ~ Modern civilization is still not free of these kind of atrocities that occurred in the past. I agree that paganism (false dogma) was the cause of such ignorance, but propagating another false dogma as Islam still did not provide a cure for such barbarism as 1400 years of Islamic brutal tyranny only replaced the less deadlier barbarism of paganism.

    Before Muhammed (pbuh) men took many wives/girlfriends and divorced them as they pleased. There was much adultery. There were also no rights for the divorced women as it was a man's world, so they were left to fend for themselves.

  • Vj ~ How can Mohammad be the cure for polygamy, adultery, murder, looting, plundering and sexual molestation of children when he was guilty of the same?
    Respect Muhammad had for women:-
    Quotes from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS
    1. If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
    2. It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
    3. .A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father
    4. .A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
    5. .She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
    6. A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
    7. If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
    8. If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
    9. The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
    10. A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440) On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.
    11. Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
    12. If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
    13. Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
    14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practice birth control either. So the issue of polygamy is this- it is far better to have up to 4 wives (as long as you treat them all equally) than having women on the side. This is not for the man's sexual pleasure. Quite contrary.
    15. Vj ~ If it was better with four wives, how come Muhammad had nine wives simultaneously and still committed adultery (concubines)? It shows that Muhammad's intent was not to bring civility to the ignorant masses but to fulfill his own selfish and lustful desires. There is no way an Omniscient God will decree 4 wives for a man, since the seminal fluid is an invaluable asset to the human body for strength and purity. As a matter of fact, a wise man in my faith, who professed to do the work of the Divine practice abstinance from all forms of materialism and sensual pleasures. "Do as I do and not only as I say."

      The women will have all the rights and respect they deserve. If they are later divorced there is a dowry (which the man pays the wife!!! not the other way around like in India) so she will not be left as a destitute. There is nothing kinky about it either.

    16. Vj ~ Is a dowry at the time of divorce the only good a woman must look forward to? Until now a Muslim have the right to divorce a woman by uttering "Talaat" three times. Why only a man has the right to divorce and not the woman? Since there were no law to prevent them, it was certainly the lustful act of polygamy that was responsible for the huge divorce rate at that time. It was the men who were always in control and never the women.

      As a law of nature you will know that the number of women slightly outnumbers the amount of men.

    17. Vj ~ Women outnumbering men is not a law within nature. Laws of nature are steady and are unchangeable. In the beginning there were Adam, Cain and Abel and one woman, Eve - more men than women, so was it a law then also?

      Also, after wars, there is an even greater shortage of men. Therefore, polygamy helps out. Instead of having thousands of fatherless children roaming the streets and getting involved in crime, it is far better that they are in a loving family. It is better to have some family than no family at all. Agreed or not?

    18. Vj ~ And what good is it to have family and more family when the prospect of wars always loom because of ignorance (false religions)? False dogmas is the cause of pain and misery, I can't see how it can also be the cure? Have you considered that if there were no polygamy there would have been far less of fatherless children and widows to roam around aimlessly? When I die I will leave one widow and when Muhammad died he left nine widows. How can one help widows by increasing their numbers?

      As far as Mohammed(pbuh) having 9 wives is concerned...he did not have more than 4 wives at any one time. Also, at the time, there were many war-widows with children whom he took in and provided for. I hope I have put things into context for you.

    19. Vj ~ What's next, are you going to tell me that his daughter-in-law was a widow also? What help did she (Zainab) need from Mohammad when she already had a husband? Makes no sense to me! You are not talking to a schoolboy who has no knowledge of Islam. Muhammad had more than four wives simultaneously. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.

      Muslim scholar and statesman, Ali Dashti gives the following list of women in Mohammed's life:-
      "1.Khadija 2.Sawda 3.Ayesha 4.Omm Salama 5.Hafsa 6.Zainab (of Jahsh) 7.Juwariya 8.Omm Habiba 9.Safia 10.Maymuna (of Hareth) 11.Fatima 12.Hend 13.Asma (of Saba) 14.Zainab (of Khozayma) 15.Habla 16.Asma (of Noman) 17.Maria 18.Rayhana 19.Omm Sharik 20.Maymuna (not of Hareth) 21.Zainab (third one) 22.Khawla 23.Duba." Who were all these women if not wives and concubines?

      There is a lot of substance in Islam which is why it is such a strong religion and muslims are strong and proud people.

    20. Vj ~ It is strong in ignorance, not because of its own irrational substance, but that Muslims do not want to know any better. Where is the substance when it breaches not only the Attributes of God but even the immutable laws of nature? If you need to know a religion or a God that is consist of substance, then you must first begin the correct process of reasoning by careful examination of the tenets of all religions.

      The terrorists are not really muslim, but you musn't think all muslims are like that. Thank you my brother

    21. Vj ~ Terrorists are the true Muslims, because whatever terror they rage, it is in accordance with the instructions of the Q'uran - Fatwa or Jihad. They become martyrs for Islam and are promptly rewarded with a Paradise of 72 virgins and 28 young boys, rivers of wine, milk and honey, jewelry, palaces, etc., etc.,. Had it not been so, what else could have driven them to give their lives for murdering even their own and other innocent people because they simply belong to another faith but Islam? It is totally absurd to defend the intolerance and horrific crimes of Islam when current and past events have proven otherwise. While most Muslims are indeed peaceful people, because of their exposure to other philosophies, it is the few (Madrasa, Taliban, etc.), confined to only Qur'anic brainwashing, that by a bomb, can send devastating shock-waves through a whole nation. The point is, as long as there is such an intolerant book (Qur'an) the world will never be at peace.

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      Hello Naeem Chothia - January 20, 2000
      god sent prophets to all people, from the time of adam. adam being the first man.
    22. Vj ~ Then why do Muslims regard Muhammad as the last messenger of God, while rejecting the Baha'u'lah who came only about hundred years ago? If previous messengers were sent by the same God, why are their followers deemed infidels by Muhammad?

      your ancestors received a prophet,too. the prophet brought one unified message,i.e. believe in the one god.

    23. Vj ~ There were no prophets in the time of my ancestors, the ancient Vedic civilization. Prophets have only brought divisions among mankind, even in Islam there are divisions (opposing sect).

      the teachings of your ancestors prophet, was the same as all the prophets.

    24. Vj ~ How could it be the same when one wife or none for a man was the norm, before Muhammad made it four?

      the teachings of the prophet, eventually, changed from its original form.

    25. Vj ~ If teachings changed then it should be the people's fault and not that of the revelation since God is omniscient. But it shows that the messages of the different prophets were contradictory and false and befitting of such ignorance it brought wars and bloodshed among mankind.

      your holy books, are the eventual, changed adulterated form. however, the changed teaching, has remnants of the original teaching.

    26. Vj ~ The Vedas is the truth, and no one can change truth, it is the ignorant who may think so and this is why they strayed from it.

      your holy books, i.e. vedas etc have prophecies of the prophet muhammad, the kaaba, the prophet muhammad's conquest of mecca and much more.

    27. Vj ~ If it contains prophecy of Muhammad, then why did he condemned these books as work of the infidels? Isn't it strange, that even the Torrah/Bible, source of Judaism, Islam and Christianity, did not prophecy the coming of Mohammad, the Kaaba, his conquest of Mecca?

      the truth will eventually prevail.

    28. Vj ~ Most certainly, and when in pain and misery know that it is the punishment of rejecting the one true religion, but unfortunately, as a Muslim, truth would never prevail.

      Hello ahmedd2 - January 22, 2000
      compare with maoism with singism, its not a religion, its ideology. how about budhism if you compare to it. or prestroika.

    29. Vj ~ Makes no difference then, since Islam is Mohammed....ism also.

      when you sleep with your wife, do you unfold your hair? then what your wife says? this is the argument now every body ok mr singh. no more slack

    30. Vj ~ I foresee no problem of communicating with one wife, but I can hardly imagine how shameful and demeaning it must be for Muslims when their immoral prophet had to answer to 9 wives. One so young (9 years old) who could hardly understand what is sex, and against her natural virtue of puberty was forced to endure its pain.

      singh, we don’t entertain like you. you came here take it or leave it. use your five k's and confront moslems. and keep the dirt on your head.

    31. Vj ~ How could you entertain someone who knows so much of your evil prophet? His wicked legacy will live on as long as there is a religion call Islam. I don't need 5 K's to confront Islam as you can see I am doing just fine without it, that is, if you know who is doing the running?

      if you are smart would you allow fresh air to pass over your head. or you are protecting also the air from your head. this is not a discussion, but it is propagating singism.a religion without a name.

    32. Vj ~ I am already a pain to Islam without fresh air. Just imagine the damage I can do to Islam without fresh air passing from my head. Shows you really have to be completely static to accept such a dogma.

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      Hello LIEA1 - January 22, 2000
      ARGUING WITH NON-MUSLIMS
    33. Vj ~ It is called constructive criticism, to ascertain right from wrong.

      In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

    34. Vj ~ I don't think the Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait and now Chechnya think he is Merciful and compassionate to them and the families they have lost.

      "And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's revelations disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other conversation; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell." (the Holy Qur'an 4:140)-------------------------------------------------------------- " And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers" (The Holy Qur'an 6:68) ------------------------------------------------------------

    35. Vj ~ These verses were a ploy Mohammad used to ensnare the weak into his religion. "The true religion with God is Islam." Sura 3:17. If this is indeed 'true religion' why then the fear to enter into a rational discussion? It shows that it is a false religion, and cannot withstand a sensible discussion.

      Brothers and Sisters in Islam who are engaged in discussions with that singhvj person who has nothing but hatred and blasphemy against Allah and His Prophet..

    36. Vj ~ And what sensible person would have love for such a disaster of a religion - leading millions to further pain and misery?

      You are: Defying the guidance of Allah (SWT) as mentioned in the Holy Quran.. you are blaspheming against Allah and His Prophet by talking to this bigot I did my part and warned you wa-ssalam

    37. Vj ~ It is better to listen to this 'bigot' than a God (Allah) who condoned the sexual abuse of a little child (Aisha). Recorded in Sahih Muslim (Vol. 3, p. 577) Aisha said, "The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old."

      Hello ahmedd2 - January 23, 2000
      salaamu alaikum to all Moslems, our brother or sister Liea1 reminded us and from now on this singh no one should discuss or argue with him.

    38. Vj ~ If you want to remain a fool Ahmed, it is your right to do so, but why prevent others? As I said if it is indeed 'true' religion, how could it be blasphemed by untruth? “Bring your argument, if you are one of the truthful.” (The cow:111)

      In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful "And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's revelations disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other conversation;

    39. Vj ~ It is Allah who is guilty of creating unbelievers since he did not send 'true' religion (Islam) from the very beginning of creation.

      surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell." (the Holy Qur'an 4:140)

    40. Vj ~ And together with the unbelievers, he has also condemned most muslim women, no fault of their own, to hell.
      Chapter 1140: The prophet said : "The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women."

      Brothers and Sisters in Islam who are engaged in discussions with that singhvj person who has nothing but hatred and blasphemy against Allah and His Prophet.

    41. Vj ~ Allah and his prophet have deceived people for centuries and are deserving of condemnation, but it is the kindness and humble way of wise men to enlighten those who were innocently led astray. I have steadfastly maintained that I have not falsely accused anyone, and no one has yet proven otherwise.

      You are: Defying the guidance of Allah (SWT) as mentioned in the Holy Quran.. you are blaspheming against Allah and His Prophet by talking to this bigot I did my part and warned you wa-ssalam thanks brother or sister we have to do our part. the man is sick.

    42. Vj ~ Think of it people, who is really a sick man, the prophet who had so many wives, one only a young child (9 years old) and another his own daughter-in-law. Inspite of so many wives, he still cheated on them, by having concubines. Can such a outrageously wicked man gain salvation much less to lead anyone there? I am merely a simple human being, not even a prophet, but surely my heart and conscience tell me that it is downright immoral to ever conduct myself in such way, much less having an Omnipotent, Omniscient and all-wise God condoning such actions. Here is what I call a truly righteous man to lead one to salvation.

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      Hello hesham78 - January 25, 2000
      well ,Vijai...you can ask me what you're curious about in this discussion because as I can see you ain't popular here anymore
    43. Vj ~ If I was looking for popularity (like Muhammad), I would have already had 9 wives, perhaps one as young as 9 years old, and would have asked my son to step down, and take his wife. If that weren't enough I would have probably shed some blood on the side, and those who became widowed by it, I would have kept them as concubines and by now even you would have been worshipping me.

      ,so if you're interested to know more about Islam you'd better read Qur'an first, if you already did ,you can ask whatever you want...Waiting for your questions.

    44. Vj ~ And what about the five tests listed above, don't they meet your (Islamic) criterium for a discussion, since they all oppose the Q'uran?

      Relax _LIEA1 - January 25, 2000
      Brother Hesham78, Marhaba This person is a sick man, interested only in blasphmy against Allah (SWT) and our beloved Prophet (pbuh),

    45. Vj ~ I have already described your illiterate and epileptic prophet as the one who had to be sick to have sexual relations a nine year-old child.

      he is despised in all message boards, Muslim Brothers and Sisters tried reasoning with him for long in vain.

    46. Vj ~ What kind of people would despise a wise man of good moral conduct and while adoring, an illiterate child molester, a murderer and an adulterer?

      Finally agreed to ignore him following Allah (SWT) guidance in the Holy Quran:In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

    47. Vj ~ I see no harm in continuing a dialogue even if I am the one going to hell. Why should Allah punish a Muslim for my crime?

      Please ignore this person..

    48. Vj ~ To ignore me, is to ignore the only path that can free you from pain and misery. As I said before, there is neither a Paradise for an illiterate, a liar, a child-molester, a murderer and a adulterer nor for those who follow him.

      To all moslems read 22nd topic and find and follow up that topic. dont loose time with this sick guru.

    49. Vj ~ The follow up is Post # 24 and don't listen to Ahmed, the follower of a child molester. Recorded in Sahih Muslim (Vol. 3, p. 577) with the commentary of al-Nawawi, because this book is a basic, indispensable book. Aisha said, "The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old."

      Hello Xianzebala - January 26, 2000
      Ash to Ash dust to dust..

    50. Vj ~ Simply means no Paradise, virgins, rivers of milk, honey and wine.

      this is one the vedic asshole godesses called Genusha.. The wisdom of the trunk is collecting dust and ashes and stffin'it in her own asshole for future fertility .. THE GREAT WISDOM IS: stuff more shit for future generations .. ...hmmmmm..

    51. Vj ~ Still better than Muhammad when it comes to morality, no sexual molestation of a minor (nine year-old Aisha).

      Ha..Ha..Ha..HeeHeeHeeHaohohahahaha...AAHa ha ha ha ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..HAAAHAAAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    52. Vj ~ Man, you not only bray like donkey, you think like one.

      Vj ~ Haven't you had time to click on the links below my original post?
      Zem2000, I did, I did click..!, but every time all I get is a sound of a toilet flush..!!! OOOOHaHaHaHaHEEEEEyaaahHaHaHaHa

    53. Vj ~ Now it shouldn't be difficult for you to figure out the rest - that you are all waste matter.

      Hello nataji - January 26, 2000
      I used to be a piece of Red Sandstone, until a Vijay Singh Fat Hindu picked me up, and took me to a craftsman. He told him to make a Penis out of me. The craftsman made a beautiful circumcised Penis out of me.

    54. Vj ~ You should be proud of being a "penis", Muhammad ‘attained’ Paradise by it.

      At first I was very happy, that I am being put to some use.

    55. Vj ~ You should be thankful again, you must have been one ugly parasite where no women wanted look at much less having sex.

      One day his wife looked at me, picked me up and held me real close to her Tits GEE I felt great, then she Stuck me up in her awful, ugly, smelly pussy just like Vibrator. I could not help Vomiting, I guess she came too. She put me back at the same place, and repeated the same thing next day.

    56. Vj ~ You might as well get use to it, since you are guaranteed more (72 virgins) of it in Paradise.

      She was very happy, untill one day her fat husband saw her in her act. She told her husband that Lingum is like Shiva Lingum (Shiva Hindu, Penis)

    57. Vj ~ Truly reminiscent of when Mohammad was caught cheating, Allah sanctified as a Divine action and threaten his wives instead.

      They started putting flowers and garlands around me. Soon after, fatmans' daughters, sisters started using me, until the news went around in locality

    58. Vj ~ I doubt whether you would have it this good in Paradise, did Mohammad leave something out since the best is yet to come?

      The women started bringing Honey, Milk, Coconuts and pouring over my head. But never stopped using me. They now use me for hours.

    59. Vj ~ They are preparing you for Paradise, where you will be used for not only hours but all eternity, while you are at it, you may as well prepare to vomit for all eternity too.

      My beautiful head, which was in a perfect Natural circumcised Penis shape has been rubbed off to nothingness.

    60. Vj ~ Oops! Seems you are the only Muslim going to Paradise, deprived of 72 virgins and 28 young boys, because of your "nothingness" penis.

      I also found out why they liked me so much. My original shape was of a circumcised dick of a Muslim.

    61. Vj ~ It is not "like" to be rewarded with "awful, ugly, smelly" p*****, but well deserving for a Muslim.

      Hindu women do not leave me alone

    62. Vj ~ If i were you I would keep it a secret. Muhammad and Allah would envy you and cut you off from you allotted virgins and young boys, since no other Muslim is allowed to have more of them than him.

      so miser that he does not bring a new dick in his Temple....I do not enjoy it anymore

    63. Vj ~ Complaining already for only a couple of hours work, what would happen when you are expected to do it for all eternity?

      PLEASE HELP! LORD SHIVA LINGUM, Penis

    64. Vj ~ If he is not much help to you now I doubt whether he or Allah can be of help to you in Paradise. Apparently, it seems Muslims are better off as a lifeless "Red Sandstone" after all.

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      Hello zem2000 - February 07, 2000
      Singh, so I gather you are a hindu.
    65. Vj ~ Does my post "The Five Tests" and the links provided any indication that I am?

      You seem obsessed with sex maniacs.

    66. Vj ~ Most intelligent people would, now that we are faced with the problem of population explosion. Such a situation, do expose the false concept of a man having more than one wife especially when it is deemed to be divine instructions.

      What about your Draupadi--wasn't she married to 5 men all at the same time, and they were all brothers?

    67. Vj ~ Like Muhammad to hide his shame and weaknesses, she didn't pass it on as a Divine instruction where other women can do the same.

      Why didn't the great god Krishna and the other great men stop her from being unclothed in a court full of important people?

    68. Vj ~ The same reason your God couldn't save Abraham from fathering an illegitimate child (Ishmael) from his housemaid (Hagar) which led to Muhammad (the messenger of God) having sexual relations a nine year-child (Aisha).

      Did the blind king's wife give birth to 100 sons?

    69. Vj ~ It is a shame when it takes a blind King to expose Muhammad's impotency.

      Is that an 'intellectual' person's beliefs?

    70. Vj ~ And since when the adoration of an epileptic and pedophilic, adulterer, murderer, plunderer and polygamist, as a prophet of God, an "intellectual" person's beliefs?

      Doesn't the 'Karma Sutra' originate from your same pious hindu religion?

    71. Vj ~ Why should it matter, your lustful Prophet Muhammad would have loved it.

      And you have the cheek to talk to us about sex maniacs.

    72. Vj ~ When your own religion is full more holes than the ones you criticized, you are nothing but an imbecile, especially when it is not even my religion. Lastly, if you had some brains you would have been something else but a Muslim.

      Hello jazzy_d - February 15, 2000
      The message sent to all Prophets was from Allah(swt). Therefore the message itself has authority in it's origin.

    73. Vj ~ All these prophets committed adultery, murder, incest and other immoral and unethical acts. What kind of God was your Allah to have condone the immoral actions of supposedly righteous men.

      If you still fail to see the truth in the message of Allah(swt) then it is probably clear that you are not ready to receive the message.

    74. Vj ~ I fail to see how an Omniscient God can instruct Muhammad to have sexual relations with a nine-year old child.

      Hello hesham78 - February 15, 2000
      skippio, you better get away from this extremist singhvj..He's nothing but another idiot who thinks himself a god to judge people and their religions.

    75. Vj ~ The judgment is made by proper reasoning, and it is a shame that Islam does not encourage critical thinking to ascertain truth.

      look, there's nothing called the best three religions to follow, if you believe in God and only God with no parteners associated with Him,

    76. Vj ~ Mohammad is a partner of Allah, he is sitting next to Allah in Paradise and is the one who decides who gets into heaven. That's not partner, but above God himself.

      ...muslim is an Arabic word means "totally submitted to God's Will", so it's not confined to certain people or race.

    77. Vj ~ If it is not for race or a particular nation, why did he revealed the Q'uran in Arabic which makes easier for the Arabs verses the non-arabs who have to make a lot more effort to learn a language that is not theirs. This shows he is partial and favors one race over the others. "The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old." - Recorded in Sahih Muslim (Vol. 3, p. 577) with the commentary of al-Nawawi, because this book is a basic, indispensable book. Aisha said,

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      Hello JafarSadeq - June 24, 2000
      JafarSadeq: So how did you know that Aisha was a child?
    78. Vj ~ From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

      I still don't see where it says she was a child.

    79. Vj ~ Vj ~ How could you when Muslims are generally taught by the illiterate and lustful Muhammad himself that women, young or old, "is your field to go into at will?
      OR
      If you haven't reached that part of the Q'uran yet, why not follow the 'righteous' example of sexually molesting a nine year-old as your Prophet did, and wait for the opinion of the courts? Are you so dull in intellect that it must be written? One who practices medicine is called a doctor, one who sexually molest a child is a pedophile and one who is 14 and under is a child, even if the words "doctor", "pedophile" and "child" are not written. Get it!.

      Hello badak88 - June 25, 2000
      Saidatina Aishah being a child? Why measure a person's maturity in how old that person is?

    80. Vj ~ I am not measuring her maturity, I am measuring your prophet's immoral conduct.

      Some people in their 40s haven't grown up yet, but let's hope no one on this message board are in that category.

    81. Vj ~ Never mind 40, at 54 even Muhammad was not grown up. Would you as a grown up, more so a prophet, have sexual relations with a nine year-old child?

      By the way, it's a known fact that people use religious violence & discrimination to cover racial bigotry, economic & political superiority etc.

    82. Vj ~ It is also a known fact that the Q'uran gave these instructions to plunder, kill, maimed and rape non-Muslims, become martyrs and are rewarded with 72 virgins and 28 young boys.

      Any time man covets something of others, religion is a useful tool to mask his actions. Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Nigeria etc.

    83. Vj ~ And since only Muslims nations are constantly at war, then it is they who are taught to covet by their religion (Islam).

      Most of the conflicts in the world occur not because of religion, but due to man's greed.

    84. Vj ~ When Allah and Muhammad's greed entitled them one and two-fifths of the booty what else can be expected of those who follow them?

      Hello badak88 - June 25, 2000
      Vj ~ From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."
      You say you quote this from our books? There is only One Book and that is the Ummul Kitab, Al Quran.

    85. Vj ~ Makes no difference at all when even in the Q'uran the prophet appetite for sex is exposed when he lusted for his own daughter-in-law. His son had to divorce her, so that he could marry her, in spite of him (Muhammad) already having many other wives and concubines

      What you have quoted is a hadith.

    86. Vj ~ It is still not a book of non-muslims.

      And since you have quoted a translation, it is further subject to the abilities and intentions of the translator.

    87. Vj ~ Well all you have to do his find it in Arabic and translate it the way it should read.

      So do be kind enough to tell exactly where you got the quote. You spout all manner of quotes, yet I think you do not really understand the religion.

    88. Vj ~ It is Muslims who do not understand their religion, they credit it as a religion of peace, but yet the world for 1400 years saw no peace through Islam.

      You call upon people to follow your path, but the way you respond just shows a tit-for-tat attitude.

    89. Vj ~ It is the only way the perverted intellects may come to understand what is truth, when what is false is constantly exposed. Having sexual intercourse with a minor is an immoral action of an ignorant man, not of a learned man and no All-holy, all-wise God would choose such putrid character to hand a revelation.

      When in Rome do as the Romans do, eh?

    90. Vj ~ I am doing exactly that - we are now living in a civilized society (Rome) where a man goes to prison for having sex with minor (14 and under) by law (Romans do). What is immoral now by law now, could never have been moral before, or any other time.

      Greed doesn't discriminate between religions.

    91. Vj ~ Greed and hate is Islam, how could it not discriminate?

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      Hello JafarSadeq - June 26, 2000
      And where did you get this?
    92. Vj ~ Aren't you ashamed that I have to teach you your own Q'uran. Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will..."
      Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl (withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."

      The Prophet never molested anyone, so there is no example of molestation for me to follow.

    93. Vj ~ Sexual intercourse without consent is rape. A child nine years old is not old enough to give consent. You should know this, especially now that you are living among civilized men, and not in primitive barbaric Arabia.

      Are you so dull in intellect that it must be written? One who practices medicine is called a doctor, one who sexually molest a child is a pedophile and one who is 14 and under is a child, even if the words "doctor", "pedophile" and "child" are not written. Get it!.
      One who is under 14 is a child? Why the magic number "14"?

    94. Vj ~ Very simple, since Allah, your prophet and the Q'uran have no moral respect for women, they didn't for their age either, so civilized men came up with 14, to prevent uncivilized sexual predators who would seek to harm a child. Children are the future of a civilized world and not sex symbols ("gardens to tilth") and as such they must be protected from sensual and lustful men by some sane system, even if it had to be invented.

      The reason I'm answering him is because it's so easy.

    95. Vj ~ When Allah, Muhammad and the whole of Arabia were lawless and barbaric it was very easy for Muhammad or anyone else to molest a child (Aisha).

      He's fixed in rigid illogical/unscientific definitions which are so easy to tear down, plus his ignorance is so profound.

    96. Vj ~ Either that, or I could be by Muhammad's definition of ignorance, sexually molest a nine year-old child, my daughter-in-law, practice polygamy and hoard concubines. How about these few for now?

      Why throw away such a wonderful opportunity to have fun at his expense?

    97. Vj ~ Too bad your fun leads to "fatwa" and "Jihad" with the belief that more fun is ahead (72 virgins and 28 young boys), not mention the rivers of wine which is now forbidden to you.

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      Hello JafarSadeq - January 27, 2000
      So in other words, what singhvj is telling us is that it is not ok for men to have sex with their wives.
    98. Vj ~ I am saying one man having sex with many wives is immoral and women are not "fields" to go into as Muslims "will". It simply means that whether they are prepared for it or not, your "will" of having sex at any time must be satisfied.

      Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."
      I don't know the characters in the above story, but the conclusion of the story is that if you don't want to make someone pregnant, don't have sex with that someone.

    99. Vj ~ You missed the moral of the story, Ibn Fahd is literally committing adultery, (sex slaves) like your illiterate sexually depraved Muhammad. Instead of being advised of his wrong, he was still credited for being right (his fields to cultivate).

      Sexual intercourse without consent is rape. A child nine years old is not old enough to give consent. You should know this, especially now that you are living among civilized men, and not in primitive barbaric Arabia.
      yes, but an adult nine years old is old enough to give consent. (In fact, the phrase "old enough" does not suit, because age is not a factor.)

    100. Vj ~ Obviously like an idiot you do not make any sense here, then again you are a follower of an illiterate, what else can be expected? Perhaps as stupid as you are, you don’t know that it is age that distinguishes adulthood from adolescence.

      Very simple, since Allah, your prophet and the Q'uran have no moral respect for women, they didn't for their age either, so civilized men came up with 14, to prevent uncivilized sexual predators who would seek to harm a child.
      So tell me how these civilized men chose the number 14.

    101. Vj ~ Probably, like me, they read much of the pedophilic Mohammad's life to protect the civilized human race from such abuse by those who follow him.

      Children is (are -ed.) the future of a civilized world and not sex symbols ("gardens to tilth") and as such they must be protected from sensual and lustful men of Islam by some sane system, even if it had to be invented.
      So where exactly does Islam allow sex with children?

    102. Vj ~ When "age is not a factor" and besides if a 54 year-old Muhammad can do it, why not those who follow him?

      By the way, "tilth" does not mean "sex symbol" but means "sex", and I don't want to be in your "sane" system which does not allow sex (tilth) with one's wife.

    103. Vj ~ I know you prefer the "insane" system of your prophet, where sex is allowed with many wives, children, daughters-in-law, slave women or concubines and even young boys (the reward of paradise - 72 virgins and 28 young boys).

      Daughter-in-law?

    104. Vj ~ Tongued-tied eh! Wife of the your son! My guess you want me show you again where is written in the Q'uran.

      Either that, or I could by Muhammad's definition of non-ignorance, sexually molest a nine year-old child
      No you cannot, but you can, with the her consent, marry a woman of any age, as long as the woman is adult

    105. Vj ~ ~How do you explain a 6 year-old (Aisha) giving consent of marriage? Even if a child gives consent, what sensible or righteous man can bring himself to such a degradable and low-life state to even think of asking for consent from a child much less having sex with one so young?

      my daughter-in-law
      No you cannot

    106. Vj ~ Tell that to the dirty old man Allah made his messenger.

      pratice polygamy
      Yes you can

    107. Vj ~ Perhaps you can by your own lustful desires but it could never be the instruction of the Divine. Not now, polygamy is illegal in the society you live in. It shows that the ethics and morals of your Allah, the Q'uran and Muhammad are short-lived and are not for all in all ages.

      and hoard concubines.
      No you cannot

    108. Vj ~ Why not? Your putrid prophet did it and worst Allah condoned it.

      Too bad your fun leads to "fatwa" and "Jihad" with the belief that more fun is ahead (72 virgins and 28 young boys), not mention the rivers of wine which is now forbidden to you.
      Do you even know what "fatwa" and "jihad" mean? Guess not.

    109. Vj ~ Both mean the bloody-thirsty Allah, the illiterate Muhammad and the intolerant Q'uran must be protected at all cost.

      And of course, fun is ahead. What do you expect from heaven, boredom?

    110. Vj ~ If the same poses as a relief of boredom here on earth, then it can only do the same in paradise. It simply means that your paradise is no different from life here on earth.

      I definitely want no part of your system.

    111. Vj ~ And what Muslim would want to, since my system does not permit sex with more than one wife, children, a daughters-in-law and concubines? Furthermore, we make no such promises of more sex (72 virgins and 28 young boys) during salvation. My system encourages the full use of the intellect and less of sex as opposed to Islam which encourages the full use of the penis and no use of the intellect. Makes sense why Muslims, like the impotent Muhammad, have more penis than brains.

      Could you also show us where you get your numbers from?

    112. Vj ~ India is the source of numbers (mathematics) - "We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

      Also, the reason why wine is forbidden today is because in wine, the harm outweighs the good. Wine will be allowed in heaven, as we are told that it will not have the harm. So again, more fun for us.:)

    113. Vj ~ Man, how dan you be so ignorant, think for a moment if you can, there is more harm, because here it (milk and wine) is bottled and protected by health laws, while in your paradise it flows openly in rivers which is subjected to impurities. And don't tell me there is no filth in paradise because it is the law of nature that whatever eats and drinks must excrete and urinate. Oops! there goes your fun.

      Hello steve-tripod - January 28, 2000
      VJ - Hey isn't the Vedic something you really pulled from Star Trek Deep Space Nine - They act as a medium between the Bjorans and the Prophets.

    114. Vj ~ Whatever it is, it (Space travel) seems to suit your own travels. I see you are moving like "a rolling stone that gathers no moss" from boards to boards.

      Back to your original premise - what happens the pervert tries be an intellect as in your case. Do you destroy yourself? Implode? Explode? Call for VEDIC help because you've fallen & can't get up?

    115. Vj ~ Now that you have followed me here (my Islam's board) and still unhappy with me only shows that the pen (Vedic reasoning) is mightier than the sword ( Islam's perverted killing machine).

      Did you know Virdha Chan was both a pedophile & a homosexual?

    116. Vj ~ No I didn't know, maybe you can explain since you must have a lot of experience having sex with books.

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      Hello xianzebala - July 01, 2000
      In the land of fools..
    117. Vj ~ Which is the world of Islam

      an asshole..

    118. Vj ~ Who is the pedophilic epileptic illiterate polygamist adulterer murderer prophet Muhammad

      will call himself wise man

    119. Vj ~ and is still revered as wise by the wise.

      Hello steve-tripod - July 01, 2000
      VJ - I looked at the website referenced in the previous post. Gosh!! It was exactly how I had envisioned you to look. Is it a self-potrait?

    120. Vj ~ I would have envisioned you much the same way too, had it not been for a tail hanging from the backside.

      Why are you so angry at the Muslims?

    121. Vj ~ There is anger alright, but it is on the other side. In ignorance there is always anger as you too are often subjected to, when confronted with a rational dialogue.

      Is it because they invaded India and ruled it for so many years?

    122. Vj ~ The past is the past and no one can change that, but it is the future of the world that is at stake with such an intolerant dogma as Islam.

      India is imposing its will on Pakistan these days for simple primitive fears.

    123. Vj ~ Isn't that what USA is doing when they bombed Afghanistan and the Sudan? Isn't it because of "primitive fears" also that the USA is spending billions to protect Americans all over the world from these Islamic extremists?

      India is much larger than Pakistan - why do they fear them?

    124. Vj ~ Lame-brain, USA is the most powerful nation in the world and yet she fears the damage Islam (fundamentalists) can do. Why should it be any different for India or even Russia?

      It would appear they will in all likelihood impose their own will upon Pakistan - which will make them the equivalent of the Muslims.

    125. Vj ~ Isn't that what USA did in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, etc. Why is it good for America and not India who fought three wars with Pakistan, all in self-defense?

      Kind of nice that your countrymen are prone to the same mistakes as the rest of the world. Guess they are human after all.

    126. Vj ~ It is not mistake to defend one's territorial rights and furthermore, had it not been for false pretence of religion India and the rest of the world would not have been in this dilemma.

      If India is so great, as you claim, why is it you reside in another country?

    127. Vj ~ When foreigners go to India they take from her, because she always have something (material and spiritual) to give and when Indians come abroad they bring the great wisdom of India (cradle of civilization) to other nations of the world.

      Would it not be better to live amongst your fellow countrymen and followers of the Vedic religion?

    128. Vj ~ The Vedic religion is for all and all ages and not confined to one race or country. It is an universal philosophy. If we had kept our maths to ourselves where would your science be today?

      Perhaps it's because India is not so great after all.

    129. Vj ~ India is the greatest because democracy holds true even though the population is over a billion. Any other nation would have fallen apart. Just imagine the chaos when 200 million homeless come marching up Capital Hill for better living conditions. Above all a country that has the wisest and most the foolish is complete. This way the fools have a chance to elevate their souls, but when a country lacks wise men how can fools be elevated? This is why India sends her ambassadors of harmony across all nations of the earth..

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      Hello xianzebala - July 07, 2000
      Take a dive here you
    130. Vj ~ I did and guess who is there, Allah who is "all-pervading and present everywhere". Boy, if only you were there to see how much Allah enjoys it.

      and all your Fucken maharoachies you stinkin piece of shit.. this is where you belong asshole

    131. Vj ~ It seems that every word, line, verse and book of Islam I use, pisses you off. I wonder why? It couldn't be me since it is the joy of the wise to propagate truth in order to expose what is false. It couldn't be you either because you didn't write any of those books, which leaves us the illiterate, Muhammad. There you go, blame him for all your frustration, my friend, not me.

      I know one or two friends who have the name singh, but they are nice people.. But man!, YOU STINK..!

    132. Vj ~ How are they nice when they would let you rot in hell. I am trying to save you from the wrath of a illiterate who would have been in jail today, for having sexual relations with a nine year-old child (Aisha).

      You should have a very wide asshole singvj to take such Yogi position He.. He ..He..

    133. Vj ~ It would have bothered me if the lustful pedophilic, polygamist Muhammad was still roaming around. He would loved such a position, be it male or female (72 virgins and 28 young boys).

      You should have all the vedic wisdom up there..

    134. Vj ~ It is clear then, that the use of anything else is not necessary to discredit Islam.

      Don't forget to flush your head after your meditation..

    135. Vj ~ Do you really think Allah would still be hungry after all that waste matter.

      Is VJ, for Vedic Jerk?..or it has other meaning?

    136. Vj ~ Yes it does, one who exposes a pedophile, polygamist, adulterer and murderer as a false prophet.

      waiting for your answer, it is fun..!

    137. Vj ~ I am so happy for you, my friend. If you are having so much fun how come you forbid your fellow muslim brothers to participate on this board. Rather selfish I must say, wanting all the fun for yourself, eh!.

      Hello xianzebala/stinkvj - July 08, 2000
      Shithead Singh Vedic Jerk

    138. Vj ~ A muslim has to be really ignorant when all it takes is a "Shithead" to piss him off.

      The difference between you shithead, and me, is that I don't read your postings, I never click on it, there is nothing worth reading in all your postings on any board,

    139. Vj ~ It was not what your previous post indicated when you said that you are awaiting my reply, its fun".

      why should I read a reply from an angry stinky vedic monkey?

    140. Vj ~ Well for one, the thought of you sharing 72 virgins and as young as nine years old, is indeed an attractive offer, and that I might be tempted to convert at any time.

      But you read my postings shithead, so have fun and enjoy it

    141. Vj ~ Of course I am having fun and you said you are too. So here are two happy guys having lots of fun.

      and send copies to the mother who dropped you from her asshole when she had diarrhea..

    142. Vj ~ Then I am thankful, because I was wondering what gave me so much courage to expose this your illiterate pedophilic prophet Muhammad. This old brute, worst that any animal known to man, had no mercy for 9 year-old child; and the god (Allah) that sent him intructions could not have been any different.

      I see that you say Hello xianzebala, no problem in that for me, I could be anybody, but I don't deny or cofirm.

    143. Vj ~ You have established an authority for ignorance and changing your name won't change that.

      I heard that you're in the business of exporting live stock to your hometown in India, I mean exporting American Cow Shit

    144. Vj ~ It is true, the Muslims in India have eaten out all the cows, so the import of "American Cow Shit" has become a necessity to foster their awareness by smell that cows (their tasty dish) is not extinct. It is the best we can do to make them happy.

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      Hello ShortComment - July 09, 2000
      Don't you know? Vijai loves verbal abuse.
    145. Vj ~ One who can dish it out and one who can take it at the same time is called wise.

      For Dayanand said that one must endure the barbs of unbelievers when testifying the truth to them.

    146. Vj ~ It was said a very long time before Dayanand, he only reminded us of it.

      In fact, the barbs only prove (1) that the person giving the barbs must be ignorant

    147. Vj ~ Or the one taking it, doesn't know it is for one's good, since it is not done with prejudice.

      and (2) that the message provoking the barbs must be the truth.

    148. Vj ~ Very true, but won't you like to find out?

      With a philosophy like that, Vijai can spew forth as many of his own barbs against the world as he likes, and never notice the internal contradiction.

    149. Vj ~ I already know the "contradiction", it is those who are affected by it, must come to know of it also for the sake of universal harmony and more so, their own souls.

      The sad thing is that Vedic religion is neat, but Vijai is Vijai.

    150. Vj ~ Then Vijai is neat also, since it is the Vedic religion that has made Vijai. If you see Vijai any different from the Vedic religion, then you are still immersed in ignorance too.

      In any case, I'm trying to start a Qur'an study on Judaism board called "Reaction to Koran Thru Torah Eyes."

    151. Vj ~ Haven't you got enough Islamic-Jewish wars going on already? Or won't they be called religion if there are no wars?

      Hello Perazzishooter, -July 09, 2000
      Vj you have made a lot of accusations against Mohammad and the Quraan.

    152. Vj ~ I know and if they are false it is up to Muslims to prove me wrong. But so far no one has been able to do so.

      It has already been explained that followers of the Quraan do not believe what you say they believe.

    153. Vj ~ It is not what I say but what your Q'uran and Hadiths say. A belief that claims its strength and truism when no one is allowed to question it, is not conducive to sound reasoning.

      Your sources are not accepted as true by followers of the Quraan.

    154. Vj ~ My source is your own Hadiths and Q'uran and if Muslims deny this source, they are indeed in serious trouble because, it is impossible in this modern world to interpret it any different. The fact is, that Muslims cannot hide behind the mask of an illiterate and immoral man anymore, since not only non-muslims but Muslims also are now denouncing this religion as a very dangerous threat to human civilization.

      In other cases you are deliberately distorting/ concealing what the Quraan actually says on certain issues to further your propaganda.

    155. Vj ~ Is this a propaganda - Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam.
      From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116:
      "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

      Since you do not ask questions but insist on knowing what we believe, it has to be assumed that you have a deep rooted irrational hatred, fear and anger towards the followers of the Quraan and Mohammad.

    156. Vj ~ I have stated on my original post the five tests of true religion. Isn't there a sensible Muslim around who can refute it? It is not hatred to enlighten those who have been brainwashed into believing that Paradise is nothing but a brothel (72 virgins and 28 young boys) with rivers of wine.

      This might be connected to the fact that Arabs ruled and converted the people of your faith for several hundred years in and around the Indus River.

    157. Vj ~ The past is the past and any sensible person knows that it cannot be changed. It is the future that concerns us all and Islam most certainly is not the answer, judging from the all that is happening all over the world where Muslims are war with themselves and non-muslims.

      I believe that like the Native Americans and Africans you have a right to be upset.

    158. Vj ~ How is it that both of us can be upset at the same time? One who has a cure for the disease of false religions cannot never be the one that can be easily upset.

      However, your anger and desire for retribution makes you as bad as those who oppressed you not better than them.

    159. Vj ~ It is Muslims who are always upset enough to murder and maimed innocent people. Where have I threatened "Fatwa" or "Jihad"? ".....And to cut off the roots of the unbelievers......I will assist you with a thousand angels, ranks on ranks..... "I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks And smite all their finger-tips off them." Sura 4:7,9,12. "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:..." Sura 5:54.
      These intolerant teachings of your Q'uran is based on hatred.

      Secondly, you are directing your anger at the children and descendants of those that caused your ancestors harm.

    160. Vj ~ As if the history of Muslim tyranny and barbarism has gone underground. It is better they know now, of what this religion (Islam) is capable of doing, instead of later, where it can be too late for them. There is no paradise with virgins, wine, milk, honey, palaces, soft cushions, etc. It is all lies, a breach to natural laws where all things finite must die or come to end. In short, nothing finite with a beginning, can exist for eternity.

      So you are not the one who is grieved and we are not the one's who grieved your ancestors.

    161. Vj ~ Muslims will always grieve. They are always at war because of the intolerant teachings of the Q'uran. There is only way out for all of mankind, the faster false religions are abandoned the better the conditions of this world will become.

      Hello Perazzishoote - July 10, 2000
      Vj responded by saying "Vj ~ I know and if they are false it is up to Muslims to prove me wrong."
      This is why you need to stop acting as the victim and accusing us of being villans.

    162. Vj ~ I am accusing your illiterate prophet, not Muslims. Can you imagine a 54 year-old man already married to several other women, having sex with you nine year-old child? Where is your conscience man?

      "Vj ~ It is not what I say but what your Q'uran and Hadiths say. A belief that claims its strenght and truism when no one is allowed to question is not conducive to sound reasoning. ..My source is your own Hadiths and Q'uran and if Muslims deny this source, ...
      In many cases, you are deliberately distorting/ concealing what the Quraan actually says to further your propaganda against Mohammad and the Quraan.

    163. Vj ~ The Q'uran also says milk flows in a river when intelligent people know that milk turns sour with the slightest contamination. Is this also a propaganda against your Q'uran?

      "Vj ~Is this a propaganda - Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam. From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

    164. Vj ~ Even if the Hadiths are false, the immoral conduct (many wives, one his own daughter-in-law and many concubines) of your prophet speaks of nothing else but a sex maniac who is capable of molesting a child.

      Vj ~ I have stated on my original post the five tests of true religion. Isn't there a sensible Muslim around who can refute it? It is not hatred to enlighten those who have been brainwashed into believing that Paradise is nothing but a brothel (72 virgins and 28 young boys) with rivers of wine.
      Where is this statement about 72 virgins and 28 young boys found in the Quraan?

    165. Vj ~ Never mind where it is found in the Q'uran, you can't be that stupid not to know that all male muslim extremists suicidal bombers aren’t dying because of the promise of 72 virgins? Islam can only be true religion when you refute my five test of truths. Why not try it?

      "Vj ~It is Muslims who are always upset enough to murder and maimed innocent people. Where have I threatened "Fatwa" or "Jihad"? ".....And to cut off the roots of the unbelievers......I will assist you with a thousand angels, ranks on ranks..... "I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks And smite all their finger-tips off them." Sura 4:7,9,12. "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:..." Sura 5:54. These intolerant teachings of your Q'uran is based on hatred."
      These are perfectly reasonable statements from the Quraan about racist, bigoted war mongering hypocrites and polytheist opportunist pagan idol.

    166. Vj ~ And which Arab country did India hypocritically attacked that she was deserving of a Muslim invasion?

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      Hello Perazzishooter - July 13, 2000
      "Vj ~ All you do is keeping repeating these lines over and over like a parrot. Why don't you respond to good logic?
      Well all you do is keeping repeating these lines over and over like a parrot too:
    167. Vj ~ It is necessary to expose what is false so that intelligent minds can ascertain truth by it and it will continue as long you fail to refute the 5 tests of true religion

      "Vj ~You should be more concern of the Prophet Muhammad who was sexually obsessed not only with 9 year-olds, but his daughter-in-law also. Such putrid actions cannot be the work of righteous men."
      These issues have been addressed. I have told you about the daughter in law of an adopted child is not treated the same as a daughter in law from one's own child.

    168. Vj ~ I am aware of what you said, but my point is a man whose mission is to save people from lawlessness cannot become lawless himself. It is like killing someone and while in punishment of the crime becomes a teacher "crime does not pay".

      "The divorced wife of freed slave who had become an adopted son. The message here is that you should free your slaves. Dont think that their women are not good enough for you after they have been divorced by a former slave ie, No more Brahamanism.

    169. Vj ~ So would you have sex with your daughter-in-law to prove to your son and the world that she is good? I don't see any sense in shooting someone to prove the gun works. Besides what has sex with his (Muhammad) daughter-in-law has to do with the freeing of slaves?

      How many white Americans would marry the ex wife of their ex slave?

    170. Vj ~ They weren't prophets who had to account for their immoral conduct later. There is a difference and if you had any brains you would have seen it as such.

      So if you will stop repeating these things that have been answered, then I can stop saying that you are repeating them. Can we agree on this? Let us move the conversation forward, to some of your other concerns.

    171. Vj ~ It is moving forward, as far as I am concern. When your Q’uran has so many absurdities what makes you think that the other parts would be any different from what we are discussing now?

      The Quraan is not for the Arabs alone,

    172. Vj ~ So why is it revealed in Arabic and whoever becomes a Muslim must pray in Arabic?

      it is also to help the Jews understand their faith that has become tied into liturgies.

    173. Vj ~ Do you think you are speaking to an idiot - how can the Jews have misunderstood their faith when the faith of Islam is guilty of atrocities of the worst kind since its inception? Since Jews are the ones who are constantly being persecuted by Islam and Christianity, it would make more sense to believe that it were Muslims and Christians who have misunderstood their faith. Jews do not kill Jews as Muslims kill Muslims.

      The commandment to face Mecca in the Quraan is to make the Jews realize that what they treat as a liturgy facing Jerusalem is but a man made jesture that was used in the worship of Allah by their Prophets.

    174. Vj ~ And weren't Muhammad a man also who commanded Muslims to face Mecca when the Q'uran specifically states that God is present everywhere? And what excuse do you have, for other non-Muslims who have to face Meca?

      The Quraan wants the Jews to face Mecca so they can demonstrate to Him [and understand for themselves] that their own rituals were man made.

    175. Vj ~ Apparently, it hasn't worked either. It is indeed pure ignorance to face Mecca in order to make them understand their faith is false.

      Once, the Jews have understood this point they can explain to the Arabs why Mohammad faced Mecca too.

    176. Vj ~ That would have been difficult for Muhammad himself to explain since he dwelled in Mecca, what direction would he have faced?

      The truth is that there are no more liturgies in Islam.

    177. Vj ~ The truth is, Muhammad is an illiterate and ignorant pedophilic who could not have been trusted with an innocent soul as a nine year-old child (Aisha) to guide to salvation, much less millions who follow Islam.

      Whether you face East or West does not mean anything to Allah.

    178. Vj ~ If it doesn't matter why all Muslims, instead of Jews, must face Mecca?

      It is the acts of kindness and charity towards the poor, the needy, widows and orphans that pleases Allah the most.

    179. Vj ~ Would have Allah not been more pleased with himself, had he not created them "poor, needy, widows and orphans" in the first place?

      Vj ~Why not use your head a little, as long as there is sex (physical gratification), eating and drinking there will be impurites such as disease, excretion of waste and the like.
      Filth is in the mind of the beholder.

    180. Vj ~ It doesn't matter where the "beholder" stores the filth, it must be excreted at sometime. You eat - you must excrete. It is the law of nature, unchangeable.

      There is no sin in heaven says the Quraan

    181. Vj ~ How could an angel (Lucifer) become wicked without sin? Besides, there is no heaven with rivers of milk, wine and honey and virgins says many other scriptures also, have you investigated them to know if your Q'uran is true?

      and we will be reunited with our families in heaven.

    182. Vj ~ How is your great-great-great-great-grandfather be reunited with his family when you have your own family to be reunited with. Besides there will be a conflict with a Muslim who have married and remarried many times over, re-uniting with his ex-wives and their husbands.

      Thus there are no sex orgies.

    183. Vj ~ Then why are the men promised virgins? What other purposes are there for the opposite sex?

      Virginity is a reference to people who have not been jilted and misled by other lovers. In the human world rejection tends to make people angry and lash out at the World. Anger is like a disease.

    184. Vj ~ And if they are available in Paradise, as it is on earth, what could prevent the same from happening there?

      We will be pure like virgins and youthful boys. The description in the Quraan is like a beautiful Rembrandt

    185. Vj ~ Sounds more like a fool's paradise to me, since it is the law of nature that what is finite (created) must decay and die. It is a breach to God's perfect laws, for the old who have already borne children to become youthful and virgins again.

      It is your diseased mind that is coming up with sex with these virgins and youthful boys.

    186. Vj ~ Where ever there is physical appearance (male and female) there will be the tendency to lust and further leading to personal gratification. The Arabs were ignorant and lustful barbarians and so the intent of Muhammad who was also a lustful, promised them virgins so that they would fight and die for him.

      Possibly sex is in the minds of those who did not understand the Quraan, because they had a pagan background not a Biblical one.

    187. Vj ~ It seems to me that it is those who understood it very well that seek many wives and concubines and lustful Muhammad, who even molested a child (nine year-old), was the best example of that.

      Furthermore, God is All-wise and can never be that stupid to have milk, honey or wine, which are never without their own specific sources, flow in a river. Only an imbecile (Muhammad) born out of Arabia could come up with such nonsense and if Arabians were backward to believe it then, I can't imagine why they still do in more civilized time.
      A thing of beauty is a joy forever. ... We don’t throw away the Rambrandts, Titians, Da Vinccis because they have gone out of style.

    188. Vj ~ So why not try having sex with a nine year-old, as it was the style of your pedophilic prophet’s past, and find out where "a thing of beauty" can land you?

      We try to understand them in the context of when they were written.

    189. Vj ~ But where is the sense, when that "context" (sex with minor and many wives) breaches the civil law of many lands of this modern age?

      It is perhaps a statement about your lack imagination/ mental capacity than a deficiency in the Quraan, that you would like to see the Quraan rejected for such a silly reason.

    190. Vj ~ I doubt that since sexually molesting a child is not an action of heavenly reward; milk, wine and honey cannot flow in a river; the old cannot become young again; mothers cannot become virgins again; and that what has been created (paradise) cannot exist forever and worst of all paradise must be paradise for all and the presence of servants (slavery) is a breach to perpetual happiness.

      Vj ~If they were, what would be the need for three the religions which opposes each other, when one could do?
      The need is that Allah knows how humans behave.

    191. Vj ~ How come he didn't know that the first revelations could have been corrupted?

      If He had given the complete message to just one Nation, they would have simply rejected it.

    192. Vj ~ You are not using your brain, weren't the last revelation given to one nation, the Arabs and which most of the world have rejected?

      Or worse, they would have torn up and concealed the parts they did not like and tried to use it to further their own personal control over others and establish Empires.

    193. Vj ~ Isn't that what the epileptic and illiterate Muhammad did, when he dismissed the Torrah and Bible as corrupted, to create his own religion and the empire of Arabia?

      So what is the most rational and reasonable thing for God to do? Give a piece of the complete text to each of the three different powerful nations, Jews, Romans and Arab. Give them each Prophets that told them the truth and see if they try to distort the message they were given.

    194. Vj ~ Were there only Jews, Romans and Arabs in this world? It seems that this Allah has brought on this turmoil all by himself, had he not intervened, the world would have been a much peaceful world to live in.

      Sure enough, like clock work, each nation came up with it's own liturgies and reason for why they were right and had to be honored by everyone and the other wrong, by distorting the message of truth.

    195. Vj ~ If the first messages were distorted, then it is Allah's fault, since he didn't send something that could have stand the test of all ages. If the Q'uran is free from distortion, then he should have known better being an All-knowing god to send it in the very beginning and there would have been no problem of distortions among Jews, Romans and Arabs.

      Combine the three faiths and abolish cultural imperialism, racism and hypocrisy. The texts of the Hebrew Bible, Gospels and Quraan allow such an interpretation.

    196. Vj ~ Their histories of tyranny and barbarism have proven it quite impossible so far.

      It is quite clear to me from these verses in the Hebrew Bible, Gospels and Quraan that this is what the Lord has done.

    197. Vj ~ How could it be clear to them when in Islam you can have sexual relations with a child and in theirs you cannot; and when this very god created one wife for Adam instead of four.

      The miracle is that the texts of the three scriptures are so perfectly reconcilable with this view.

    198. Vj ~ I doubt it, when Muslims have found themselves divided as to the true interpretation of the Q'uran. It is all talk, but the actions of hate, prejudice and violence against each other speaks differently.

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      Hello abdulqadr - July 01, 2000
      Dear Mr. Singh, I ask you to fear God.
    199. Vj ~ When God is compassionate and merciful why must we fear Him? Any religion that teaches mankind to fear God is false, and on the other hand, a religion that teaches mankind to fear Islam is true religion.

      You seem to have no respect for other people.

    200. Vj ~ It is truth that has no respect for ignorance and whoever is affected by it, is ignorant.

      You insult and curse others with no reservations even those who have not treated you badly or earned these harsh words

    201. Vj ~ When you are follower of a false god, you are treating yourself "badly" and therefore, deserving of what might offend you, it is not bigotry, but it is done for your own good.

      Again I say fear God because the time does not seem to be far away when you shall pass away from this world and stand to account before your Creator.

    202. Vj ~ It is fools who fear false gods, try to know the true God and you will become as fearless as I am.

      I do not know how your life is in other aspects but from reading your posts you seem to be very bitter and an older person.

    203. Vj ~ It would have serve you better by reading the original post and form a discussion out of it, instead of looking for bitterness. It takes a fool amidst so much rationalism (for the good of the intellect) to find bitterness.

      I once had an old Hindu acquaintance that you remind me of.

    204. Vj ~ I don't see how that is possible, since I am not a Hindu.

      He hardly spoke a sentence without cursing people until I pointed this out to him.

    205. Vj ~ His mistake is that your lustful illiterate Prophet should have the main focus of his curses and not people.

      He changed his ways after a short while once made aware of this behaviour. Will you?

    206. Vj ~ The only change for me, will be to become like you, but I cannot bring myself to follow an immoral man who was an illiterate to begin with. Are they really good ethical and moral examples you can teach your children?

      Peace.

    207. Vj ~ Any one who is offended by curses, can never be at peace with oneself.

      Hello Bala_dy - July 02, 2000
      ShortComment You can see clearly that the discussion going on here has nothing to do with any Religion..

    208. Vj ~ Muhammad is Islam, and the discussion is about him. Maybe you are too ashamed of his conduct much less discussing it. On the other hand, if one wants to discuss true religion they can begin with the FIVE TESTS. It is impossible to determine the sweetness of one apple if the others are not examined the same way.

      You can explore the sites posted under this topic, and discuss with "Muslims" whatever you like..you are welcomed for sure..

    209. Vj ~ Not true, Muslims are intolerant to "whatever you like". I have been there.

      But away from this person and his "I hate everybody" sickness..

    210. Vj ~ Hate is found in the intolerant teachings of the Q'uran which calls for the infidels (non-muslims) to be put to the sword. Their history has ample proofs of it.

      Hello web19faith - July 03, 2000
      singvj, for the first time I see someone who makes sense on these boards, you are absolutely right singhvj, someone have to speak the truth sooner or later.

    211. Vj ~ I hope you will take into consideration my five tests of truth in relation to your faith also.

      I believe in the "SUBMISSION TO GOD ALONE" following the true message of Islam, THE SUBMISSION

    212. Vj ~ It is only a belief and no different from the conduct of the pedophilic sex maniac Muhammad who invented it.

      We received the divine message and we accepted Rashad Khalifa as a messenger of God,

    213. Vj ~ God's divine message must exist from the beginning of creation for all of mankind and not only from the time of Rashad Khalifa or Muhammad.

      and anyone who is still skeptical is encouraged to examine the mathematical miracle and witness the greatness and the power of our Creator, the Lord of the Universe.

    214. Vj ~ Mathematics is not a miracle and has it's source from the Vedas and anyone else making a claim of its origin is a hypocrite.

      I invite you to visit my site and judge by yourself

    215. Vj ~ Truth is ascertain by reasoning, science and natural laws and not by mathematic miracles of the Q'uran

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      Hello RoLaAus - June 05, 2000
      in the end times... Muhummed says in the end times there will be "religious ignorance WILL PROSPER"
    216. Vj ~ He must know, he started it.

      Hello Xianzebala - June 06, 2000
      excuse my English

    217. Vj ~ I am quite sure your bottom weren't higher than your head when you used it.

      I meant different breeds: the Maharoachi Stinkvj, and Rollass (the Boobsman with the Nazi looks)..

    218. Vj ~ Still innocent faces I would say than the one of the pedophile Muhammad raping a screaming innocent little child (Aisha).

      Isn't it nice how Hate brings and keeps some jerks together?

    219. Vj ~ It is the reason Islam is growing at such a rapid pace - the Shites and Sunnis can't wait to clobber each other, not to mention the "honor killings" of innocent women.

      Salam Xianzebala - June 06, 2000
      Maharoachi Stinkvj Holy Krishnas

    220. Vj ~ It is the dirty old pedophilic Muhammad who modern society can easily determine to be stink in conduct. How are you going to hide that my friend? Look at the problem you have now, I doubt whether you can pray in peace now that is immoral actions are exposed.

      Lately singhvj family incarnates..!

    221. Vj ~ Re-incarnation is a philosophy of my faith not yours. It is Muslims who are most likely to be re-incarnated into roaches to continue their hunt for vaginas as the master cockroach Muhammad taught by his own immoral and lustful conduct.

      Hello Xianzebala - June 07, 2000
      Mr. RoLaAus, I appreciate your use of a better decent language..

    222. Vj ~ How sincere is one who uses profanity one moment and then show appreciation when others don't in the next?

      This way you can present your views, your way to please God,

    223. Vj ~ I am doing just that to please my God and yet Muslims are angry with me.

      people who know and feel 100% they are on the right track..

    224. Vj ~ If a man goes to prison for sexually molesting a child, how can Muslims "feel 100% they are on the right track" when the pedophile Muhammad was guilty of the same over and over?

      don't slander others just because they are different from you,

    225. Vj ~ Besides constructive criticism which Islam does not tolerate, how can the actual truth of Muhammad's immoral conduct backed by the Q'uran and other sacred Hadiths be deemed slanders? Slander as I understand, is accusing someone falsely.

      So, if you feel that you are on the right track, and keep it to yourself,

    226. Vj ~ For me, I know, not feel, I am on the right track and this why I want Muslims to know that they are on the wrong track. If everyone keep things to themselves how would Muslims know that they are being misled by Muhammad?

      even if you have a personal grudge against Islam, control yourself..

    227. Vj ~ A man (Muhammad) who had 9 wives, one only a child (9 year-old Aisha), his daughter-in-law and numerous concubines, can hardly be called a man of self-control. One who lacks it can hardly be the right person to teach it.

      Some individuals, because of their faith insecurity, try to attack others to prove to themselves they are right..I hope you're not one of them..

    228. Vj ~ And what do you call it ("faith insecurity") when (Muslims) "attack others" with swords, guns and bombs (Jihad) for almost 1400 years? Any religion that condone the barbaric action of taking someone's life regardless of one's opinions or views, be it false or true, has nothing to do with a compassionate and merciful God.

      Think peace for change..your mission calls for making friends not enemies!

    229. Vj ~ Muslims are at war with non-muslims and mostly among themselves all over the world, why not tell them to think of peace for a change? Besides you are not one to give such an advice when the Qur'an spoke of the opposite
      "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:..." Sura 5:51.
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      Hello LIEA1 - June 18, 2000
      RoLaAus, If you are on these boards to tell what Christianity is all about, then, you did a very good job..!
    230. Vj ~ Based on your own logic, if Xianzebala is on these boards to tell what Islam is all about, then, he is doing a better job since he is one of the few to first introduced such a method.

      singhvj, Mahatma Gandhi once said: "Be the change you want to see in the world"

    231. Vj ~ I know but he was referring to Muslims who were busy putting the infidels (Hindus) to the sword. In other words, plundering and raping his country.

      Hello LIEA1 - June 20, 2000
      I thought Gandhi was a spiritual leader and head of state for both Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs working on bringing them together..

    232. Vj ~ I am sorry you wasted a whole thought. It is obvious he failed since India has been partitioned into Hindu and Muslims regions and now the Sikhs want a Khalistan

      there were no Muslim invasion

    233. Vj ~ No, so why did India go to war three times with Pakistan, United nations with Iraq and Russia with Chechnya, etc.?

      or swords at his time..

    234. Vj ~ That is because they gave it up for bombs.

      it is the British who never leave a colony without planting mines of trouble and hatred in the land they leave..

    235. Vj ~ The British have played their part in the subjugation of foreign nations, but still left them with the system of proper organization. A far better subjugator I would say than the Muslims invaders who raped and plundered everywhere they went and still is.

      wouldn't it be better if both Hindus and Muslims be good neighbors according to their blood and genetic heritage, rather than nuking each other foolishly?

    236. Vj ~ If Muslims cannot live as good neighbors while India was one, how can it be possible for them to do it separated. It is by far easier to stabilized a country from within than it is from the outside, where the lawless (Pakistan) are the law.

      What is your stand here as a vedic preacher? war of insults, or peace of respecting everybody's choice of faith?

    237. Vj ~ How can any intelligent person respect a faith (Islam) that calls for the annihilation of all infidels (non-muslims) by the sword or bombs?

      All I can see so far from you is hatred, this might satisfy your ego, but gives others the impression that (this guy has a problem!), but won't get you or your preaching anywhere..

    238. Vj ~ It is hatred alright, but it is propagated by Islam, to kill (fatwa or jihad) who ever do not accept Islam. What kind of God would bestow such intolerant instructions to one section of people, but a blood-thirsty one?

      Is it possible that you can change your way of praising yourself and putting others down?

    239. Vj ~ Then doesn't that tell you that others' religion are false, since it offers no protection from being put down. The way I see it "others" are already down, I am only trying to make them conscious of it hoping that who ever is smart enough would come up instead of complaining like a coward.

      Hello badak88 - June 22, 2000
      Thanks for replying.

    240. Vj ~ You are most welcome.

      Your comments on Saidatina Aishah is shocking,

    241. Vj ~ Why is my comments so shocking and not your prophet's pedophilic actions? Who at 54 years old or even younger today can have sex with a child under 14 without being incarcerated? This shows the Allah's ethics and morals are not for all people and all times and his religion cannot be true religion.

      but you are entitled to your own views.

    242. Vj ~ It is not my view but your own books - From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

      Have you ever studied the Quran in its original language?

    243. Vj ~ It wouldn't matter what language it is written, the immoral and vulgar conduct of its author is not even compatible to simple common sense.

      Or are you like countless others before you who rely on translations?

    244. Vj ~ No, I rely on those stable of goodness and pious deeds.

      I think it would be wiser to study the Quran first before commenting.

    245. Vj ~ I did and very true it does make one wiser, since one must ascertain truth by analyzing what is true from what is false. The Q'uran for me, serve the purpose of the latter very well.

      And use the original, Arabic version.

    246. Vj ~ Even those do not deny Muhammed is guilty of child abuse, adultery, polygamy and murder.

      The miracle of the Quran is that it has never changed in the 1400 years it has existed.

    247. Vj ~ If there is a miracle, it is that the world has changed for the worst since the advent of Islam. In other words, fools would never change.

      Not one word omitted or added.

    248. Vj ~ Probably the reason why Muslims all over the world are still shedding blood (Jihad) against their own and non-muslims.

      And if it comes from a false god, why, wouldn't it be easy for someone to come up with a similar book?

    249. Vj ~ If it came from a true God, why didn't he send it in the beginning since it is unchangeable? Doesn't it tickle you brains a wee bit, that if the same god sent other revelations before and they were corrupted, that this too can be corrupted at sometime in the future? Well, looking at the unrest of Muslims throughout the world one can tell that the Q'uran came corrupted.

      Maybe Quran Ver 2.0, deleting references for the sword and jihad?

    250. Vj ~ Seems as though you want to make some changes now.

      About 75 percent of the world’s population aren't muslims anyway, so how come nobody's come with an alternate version?

    251. Vj ~ Perhaps their gods didn't think it was a good idea, as it might have instructed them to put the Muslim infidels to the sword.

      By the way, I think that it's good for these kinds of forums to exist so that we can share views and help understand one another better. Thanks.

    252. Vj ~ I couldn't agree with you more, but finding a Muslim with any understanding at all is very rare.

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      Hello Perazzishooter - July 06, 2000
      Hi Vj, Thanks for those questions. I have asked myself those very same questions.
    253. Vj ~ You are welcome, but you are slow on the answers. My last post should have been rebutted first before attempting the five tests. It seems you are trying to dodge good reasoning.

      I have come to believe in Allah after satisfying these concerns.

    254. Vj ~ You cannot satisfy these concerns by studying the Q'uran, Torrah and Bible alone, they are books based on inconsistencies.

      These are good questions that any sensible rational mind should ask before professing to believe in the religion of Islam.

    255. Vj ~ It will also require one of a "sensible rational mind" to answer them before professing true religion.

      As far as your five tests are concerned they seem to raise such vague objections to Islam, that I am not even sure what you are talking about.

    256. Vj ~ Then you are not one of a "sensible rational mind"

      For example, "It must conform with (immutable) natural laws." Is this supposed to mean that miracles cannot occur?

    257. Vj ~ The funtions of natural laws in our creation is responsible for law, order, purpose and design. Any breach of these laws can only result in chaos. The dead can never come back to life (resurrection). It also means that the actions of God cannot be contrary to His attributes, nature, characteristics and natural laws. God alone dispenses justice and therefore any intolerant instructions, for man to kill man whether man is believer or an unbeliever, breaches His attributes of All-wise and Just. The Q'uran have breached His laws in many ways - milk, wine and honey cannot flow in a river, no living creature on earth or Paradise can eat without excreting which means paradise is not without impurities. When the soul is created it must die and therefore cannot exist in hell or paradise for eternity. Think of it, if no one dies in paradise it will become overpopulated at sometime and this is eternity we are talking about. These are only a few instances where the Q'uran is not a valid case of God's wisdom, but truly a book invented by a man completely illiterate and only an illiterate man (Muhammad) would have sexual relations with a nine year-old child.
      From the Muslim book "WOMEN IN ISLAM" by Said Abjullah Seif-Al-Hatimy, published by Islamic Publications in Lahore Pakistan: "...(Aisha) She was the youngest of his wives. It is said that she was nine years of age when he married her."

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      Hello Perazzishooter - July 07, 2000
      In the previous post you said you wanted me to answer the five tests first.
    258. Vj ~ So why didn't you start with the first test? Make up your mind.

      My suggestion, don’t hurry, be happy. How are you Vj? I hope all is well.

    259. Vj ~ You should know by now that one who is a follower of a religion that cannot be blasphemed, is always happy. In short, where there is no mediator between man and God, I do not have to defend the conduct of immorality of prophets as you do in Islam.

      Vj ~You cannot satisfy these concerns by studying the Q'uran, Torrah and Bible alone, they are books based on inconsistencies.
      There is nothing fundamentally inconsistent in the texts.

    260. Vj ~ The very first test proves your texts inconsistent with God's omnisciency, as the knower of past, present and the future, Allah should have known that his earlier revelations could have been corrupted by man, and send the 'uncorruptible' Q'uran in the very beginning instead.

      Other pious Jews that followed the Hebrew Bible, actually followed the text of the Gospels and also believed in the coming of two Messiahs. This was prophesized in all three scriptures too.

    261. Vj ~ Revelation must be eternal since it is the wisdom of an eternal God, which no man knew before, and therefore it cannot contain any historical references (prophesy).

      Archeology and science has helped resolve all the little differences. It is just a matter of giving people time.

    262. Vj ~ Archeology and science has also proven the evolution of man from lower creature, so it cannot be the means of ascertaining truth. Beside these 'facts' of science in most cases are also in violation of natural laws. Even scientists are ignorant of these laws.

      Said Abjullah Seif-Al-Hatimy is breaking one of the natural laws. He is assuming to know something without any archeolgical or scientific evidence for believing such a thing.

    263. Vj ~ The same for the Q'uran also? There is no Muslim that can argue for or against natural laws, the Q'uran, Torrah and Bible are in complete violation of these laws and therefore cannot educate mankind to the functions of these laws.

      He is quoting from some text that is believed by most people to be 95% of the time hearsay. There is other hearsay testimony that suggests she was 18 or 19.

    264. Vj ~ Even if it is hearsay, Muhammad's conduct defies all good logic of a righteous man by abusing his seminal fluid, and the painful way he died is proof of such misuse. It shows he had no control over his sexual desires - no wise man would destroy his soul in such a way even to save one widow, much less 23.

      The only text that is uncorruptable according to the Arabs themselves is the Quraan.

    265. Vj ~ Very true, and that is because the Arabs are brainless and have no idea of the functions of natural laws.

      The age of breaking natural laws ended with Mohammad. There will be no more Prophets that will perform miracles.

    266. Vj ~ You must be one of those brainless Arabs I am speaking about. Natural laws can never be breached, now, in the future and never it was in past. God is All-perfect and can never breach His own laws at any time. It simply means Allah, your prophets and your Q'uran are all fakes and do not represent true religion. Wake up before it is too late my friend.

      Hello syedi1 - July 08, 2000
      How to Know Truth is Truth Truth always makes sense False never make sense

    267. Vj ~ Even truth cannot make sense if you don't know what is truth and what is false.

      (False: Always based on) trust, believe, faith, love, hate, racisms, nationalism, fear, pride, ignorance, traditions, corruption, ancestry, symbolism, superstition, tribalism, bias, etc.

    268. Vj ~ It is also based on an illiterate (Muhammad) who writes about it, and offers no relief or cure for it.

      (Truth: Always based on) logic, common sense, rationale, details, reasoning, investigation, facts, tested, examine, etc. GOT TRUTH PUT TO THE TEST Truth always makes sense False never make sense Use above theory to find out your religion is truth or not.

    269. Vj ~ Very good, since you know the way one would think that you have found true religion already, but how genuine are you when you have made no mention of your accomplishments by all your above theories.

      Hello my_adoni - July 08, 2000
      Vj ~ The hatred, prejudice, bigotry and distrust that exist among Jews, Muslims and Christians are enough to tell any sensible person on this planet, that these three groups will destroy themselves before they get to the temple of Jerusalem. The Jews and Christians will never accept the child-molester Muhammad as their Messiah.
      Well there you have it then. If this was to happen before you die, would you accept the faith that brings them together?

    270. Vj ~ First of all it is the law of nature also, that a man who had more penis than brains, can never bring peace to his own soul, much less salvation and therefore can never guide anyone to it. . Any religion that breaches the immutable laws of nature could never find acceptance by an intelligent person, much less me.

      How often do such deep and bitter enemies come together in history?

    271. Vj ~ The only time they come together is when they are tired of fighting, but as soon as they are rested the fighting begins again, because their opposing doctrines, the primary cause of the fight, still exists.

      Now imagine if you could go through the Bible, Gospel and the Quraan and kept seeing these amazing things being prophesized and then later coming true. Wouldnt that baffle you?

    272. Vj ~ I did go through them and what baffles me, is that a human has to be totally brain-dead to believe in such rubbish?

      This was the experience of the Arabs with Mohammad. He would prophesize the most unusual and least expected outcomes routinely, and they would always come true.

    273. Vj ~ How come he couldn't prophesize the sexual molestation of a child then, to be not only immoral but illegal now?

      To the point they started calling him Al-Amin [The truthful]. Mark my word on the above prophecy, it will come true sooner than you think.

    274. Vj ~ Now that the truth is coming out worldwide, via the internet and courageous people, I don't see how an illiterate, epileptic, and polygamist pedophile, plunderer and adulterer, be ever be called "truthful". As a matter of fact, one would have to be all of those of what he really was, to call him truthful.

      Hello syedi1 - July 09, 2000
      Time For Reality Check Islam is growing Vedic religion is not.

    275. Vj ~ Christianity has been growing, over 2 billion while Islam is only a billion. So what does that prove?

      You may have truth but No one buying it

    276. Vj ~ It conforms with the law of nature, where the majority's intellect becomes perverted nearing the end of creation. If everyone buys it who would be vegetation and creatures of the next creation?

      Can you sell Vedic religion to the people Like Muslim selling Islam?

    277. Vj ~ Unfortunately, we don't sell sex, but do encourage abstinence instead.

      Vedic truth only for you Give yourself a favor study Islam You may find truth or you may not at list You will be sure peace

    278. Vj ~ How can one (Muhammad) find peace after having sexual relations with a child?
      From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

      Hello Singh-vj - July 10, 2000
      hello to all my friends here. Peace & harmony be with you all. I wanted to tell you how much I, your God love you. I'm sorry I must curse at you and belittle you; it pains me greatly. Peace my muslim brothers. Namaste , VJ

    279. Vj ~ The real singhvj has nothing to apologize for. Truth is truth and if it offends it is for your own good. This imposter cannot be anyone else but one who is the adorer of the adulterer, polygamist and pedophilic prophet Muhammad.

      Hello Xianzebala/Stinkvj - July 10, 2000
      special delivery to the stinking asshole Vijai Singh:

    280. Vj ~ An "asshole" and the surrounding areas are supposed to stink. You should not object to it all since it was such immoral actions that made Muhammad a prophet.

      Hello Asshole. these are from your VEDIC SCRIPTURES about encouriging "INCEST" in your vedic religion

    281. Vj ~ I know, how else the illiterate pedophilic polygamist Muhammad could have invented such an intolerable religion as Islam.

      Reference:`The Sacrament of Marriage in Hindu Society', U.M.Apte, Ajanta Publishers 1978 Delhi Dipak,

    282. Vj ~ While it is necessary to point out the irrationality that exists in Hinduism or any other religion, it is imperative that your religion be free of it. Allah and his illiterate pedophilic prophet Muhammad were not such examples of good character and intellect either and as such you are only making a complete idiot of yourself. What am I saying, you are already one.

      Hello syedi1 - August 07, 2000
      Anti Muslims forces mostly Responsible for spreads of Islam then Muslims Themselves, anti Muslims forces create curiosity Among non-Muslims about Islam, that let non-Muslims To study Islam eventually they became a Muslim themselves We should thanks anti Muslims forces for theirs helps peace.

    283. Vj ~ Tell that to your dumb Allah and your illiterate prophet Muhammad, who instead of thanking non-muslims, called for their complete annihilation.

      Hello Perazzishooter - July 12, 2000
      singhvj Vj ~It is not the unity of Jews, Christians and Muslims that is far-fetched but the unity of Muslims themselves (shite, sunnis, etc.).
      Well then you got nothing to lose then. Since you know all the natural laws and you insist this can never come about. Why don’t we make an agreement. You don’t have to accept Mohammad until the Jews and Arabs accept each others as brothers worshipping the same Lord in the same place of worship?

    284. Vj ~ Man your head must be stuffed up with a lot of manure. You can't even think. There isn’t even unity in Islam. How many millions of Jews have already died? How can they become Muslim to go to paradise? Your God is unjust, that only those who witness the unity in the end will go to paradise.

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