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Dialogue 1
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Hello Dr. Norlain - Tuesday 25-Jul-2000
These are just a few of the many Qurânic verses concerning the terrible punishments in Hell that the Unbelievers will suffer forever.
Vj ~ Never mind forever, there are over a billion Muslims (believers) who are now suffering immensely and yet Allah ignores them. Why? Well for one, if he can't relieve them (Sunnis and Shites) of their present miseries on earth how will it be possible for him to grant them a Paradise of eternal happiness?
you should realize that the Qurân is no less than a true Message from Allâh.
Vj ~ If it is the true message why are Muslims never at peace? How much common sense is required to understand that an illiterate could never be chosen (or even hired) by anyone intelligent to dispense knowledge, much less by an All-wise and All-perfect God. Who then would choose an illiterate to guide one to salvation? It would have to be someone (Allah) even more illiterate or the illiterate himself.
It warns us of the Hell-Fire and directs us to salvation.
Vj ~ There can be no hell fire since all things finite must die including a fire of any kind. It is a law, unchangeable with no exception. Secondly, there can be no salvation wherever sex, wine and material luxury is present. These things serve as a relief for banality, and if they also exist in paradise as it is on earth, then it will also be a paradise of boredom. When these material things can not bring Muslims happiness here on earth, how can it, anywhere else muchless permanent?
Think of your eternal salvation take heed of Allâh’s warning for those who deny His Message.
Vj ~ There is no such thing as "eternal salvation" or eternal hell since finite actions can only reap finite rewards or punishment. Besides “Allah” could have been only figment of an illiterate man's imagination and since he was an also an epileptic, then one doesn't have to go any further in examining Muhammad's imagination.
Accept the Qur’ân as the guidance from our Creator. Follow it to save you away from the Hell-Fire in the eternal world to come.
Vj ~ The "Hell-Fire" is here, all the pains and suffering that has plagued the whole of mankind from inception until now. It is a false religion like Islam that leads to these pains and miseries. If there is such a god as Allah he was created by an impostor of a prophet. Any man (Muhammad) who gratifies his lustful desires by having sexual relations with a child (Aisha) would be truly deserving of such an "eternal hell-fire" if there was one.
Thursday 29-Jun-2000
Do you have concrete proofs
Vj ~ I do, but when you have a head full of concrete instead of brains what good could these proofs be to you?
from your religion that your religion is the only true religion and that Islam is false?
Vj ~ Islam is false because an All-wise and All-pure God could never have given His revelation to an illiterate and impure (diseased) epileptic pedophilic, much less the injustice of depriving billions before 1400 years ago and those in remote regions who never heard of Islam.
Do you have concrete proofs in your religion that your Book if there is any is the true Book from God? Can you make a concrete proof as the Muslims clearly read in the Holy Qur'an that it is from God?
Vj ~ Here is the first and foremost of all proofs, it is only the purest (free of material desires, emotions and sentiments) who could find such favor with God to receive a revelation and they were specially created and not the result of sexual union in the very beginning of creation.
Tell me did your God tell you that he is the God of all mankind in the same way as Islam tells us that Allah is the Only True God?
Vj ~ No not in the same way, since God is Just He gave His revelation in the very beginning for all of mankind and not 1400 years ago (Q'uran) where millions before and in remote regions were deprived of it. Unlike your polygamist adulterer Muhammad these men were wise unmarried pious and free of disease (epilepsy, illiteracy, lust, greed etc.).
If you want proofs just read the Holy Qur'an
Vj ~ The Torah and the Bible also have proofs, why don't you read them also? As a matter of fact, their proofs existed long before Islam and if the latter is deemed authentic because it is the last of three, then you must accept the latest the Baha'i (Ba'ha'u'lah) as the last revelation.
Dialogue 2
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Hello Dr. Norlain - Sunday 25-Jun-2000
If Allah wishes his ambition will be fulfilled and the very same hands which demolished the Babri Masjid will built up again.
Vj ~ If the blood-thirsty Allah was omniscient he would have used the "very same hands" to prevent the demolition.
He would have also known that Muhammad was an epileptic and illiterate and not deserving of the company of an All-wise and All-powerful God.
From Abu Dawud Vol. 2 "Aisha said "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." Shame on Allah for condoning such immoral actions.
Thursday 11-May-2000
"Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs; for them is a dreadful Chastisement.” (3:105)"
Vj ~ Had you any brains you would have questioned why he sent "Clear signs" only 1400 years ago instead of the beginning. This way there would have been no reason to put unbelievers (infidels) to the sword. He also said Jesus was sent with clear signs, but if such is the case what was the need for sending the Q'uran? If you have no interest in furthering your investigation into the
links provided above then you will remain lost.Saturday 26-Feb-2000
It's not really much of a "discussion" if you are only comfortable sharing your "truths" with those who agree with you.
Vj ~ I have laid out five tests of truth which is consistent to true religion and if your 'truth' cannot refute my "truths" it is really no discussion indeed. The onus is on you to refute my truth.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if YOU YOURSELF call others beliefs "satanic deception" if YOU continually allege and yet never substantiate if YOU persist on playing the victim when it is clear that you are anything but.....what do you expect?
Vj ~ My religions has no Satan in it, so there you go, it is already free of "satanic deception".It is clear, if you cannot defend your religion as constructively as it is being refuted you can never be able to ascertain it is the truth.
I've been reading this board for a couple of weeks and this is the first real interaction I've ever seen here!
Vj ~ This only shows that fools are in the majority and that to challenge it would mean liberation from the forces of ignorance. Fools are content on remaining fools because it means achieving salvation by continuous sexual gratification hoping for more in afterlife.
Don't be afraid of it and don't ruin it. Let your efforts stand or fall on their own merit without the prejudicial commentary.
Vj ~ Truth is truth and is for all and in all ages it cannot be reviled, blasphemed, ruined or desecrated. It is only fools who see truth as prejudicial to their ignorance and there is absolutely nothing that I can do about that, as there is no cure for a fool.
Dialogue 3
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Hello Stallion - Sunday 5-Mar-2000
Dear Mr. Singh, Your first law which states that religion must exist in its entirety from the beginning of creation is absolutely true.
Vj ~ Then it is impossible to find disagreements on the others (four tests) since they are all in harmony with the (same) reasoning.
However your example could not be any more false.
Vj ~ Either that or you are lacking in reasoning.
We will see. All of the worlds religions come from one God and are interconnected. Because they are under different names does not mean that they do not worship the same God.
Vj ~ If it is the same, how come Islam specifically refer to the those of the other religions as infidels? It is not the name that is in dispute here but the opposing and contradictory messages they brought. God is Omniscient and therefore, when there are inconsistencies in a 'revelation', it is man (prophet or mediator) himself who must be made to be accountable and not God.
Religion is revealed progressively by God as man has different needs at different times.
Vj ~ If it is ever in need of God to make these changes to meet the needs of "different times" then your God cannot be an omniscient God but one that is false or created by illiterate people.
Religion is ever advancing!!! If there was a set of laws set down at the beginning of existence, do you think they would be applicable to humanity now?
Vj ~ I would infer that early man excrete by the backside as they do now, do you think such a law need to change at sometime in the future? Cain committed murder and Abraham committed adultery before the 'ten commandments' were revealed seems to me the need was all ways there even from the very beginning. Do you truly believe that could change at sometime in the future to read "thou shalt not commit adultery or murder more than once or even twice"? If adultery and murder is immoral by one's own inner conviction isn't it reasonable to infer that it was so from the very beginning, and it will be to the end. What has to change by different needs or times that would improve on it when it was and is always right?
Are you claiming that there has been no human advancement at all?
Vj ~ I will call it a trickle as my homepage would indicate. Prevention (yoga) is better than cure (science of medicine) and knowledge (Vedas) is superior to curiosity (science of space technology) where is the advancement? Universal progress (in righteousness or purity) is downwards and can never be upwards. It is the law of nature that dictates that all things finite must decay and universal righteousness is of no exception to this law. But yes, individually man can make progress, which is not progress really but about maintaining the purity and innocence as they were in childhood. As we become adult we tend to lose such innocence if we don't seek the correct knowledge and put it to practice.
I wonder where are you getting all of this from?
Vj ~ There are three classes of people - those who make things happen; those who watch what happen; and those who wonder what happen. Try to work yourself up to the first and you will see for yourself where I got it all from.
My friend the only way we can learn from God is through his messengers Jesus, Mohammad, Moses, Baha'u'llah.
Vj ~ So why was Jesus abandoned for Muhammad? How would you know if these "messengers" are correct about God if those are the only religions you intend to investigate? In other words what do you know of the Vedic religion to ascertain that those prophet are right or wrong? My site is a rational demonstration of constructive criticism in examining the messages of these prophets and it will be to your advantage to investigate them the same way.
The very act of human interpretation falsifies truth.
Vj ~ You must know all truth how else would he know when, where, why and what it is falsified? Truth must have a definition to it, it is the reason we intepret our scripture one way and not many.
Of course who ever decided this is THE TRUE TEST for verifying true religion must know all, see all and be all.
Vj ~ Why not go through all posts and links on this board and tell me what true religion "must know all see all be all" has not done yet?
Having wisdom be on that even of Solomon.
Vj ~ One guilty of adultery (an uncontrollable sense of lust) many times over, cannot be called wise.
If not then the five test are as useless as so much fantasy in the realm of reality. Therefore, a correlation must now be made to test TRUE REALITY.
Vj ~ The "correlation" has been made the five tests of this faith which is in harmony with reasoning and science and in conformity with natural laws are indisputable.
Dialogue 4
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Hello Akbar - Sunday 14-May-2000
This can be simply shown by the answers islam give to the following questions
Vj ~ They are 'answers' to make more idiots out of idiots.
;(1)Why did god create humans?
Vj ~ So that some (Muslims) can kill others (non-muslims) to become martyrs and be rewarded with 72 Virgins and 28 young boys.
(2)Did God create humans from nothing?
Vj ~ He would have, an act of a magician, if there were no women according to Islam.
Answer these questions and we will see what test Islam has met?
Vj ~ The only test proven here is that man (Muslims) would have been worthless by the mere thought of practicing celibacy. Hello Randy - Saturday 4-Dec-1999
You started off good here
Vj ~ I wish I could say the same for any part of your site.
but I was disappointed when you seemed to come to the conclusion that your religion is the "one true religion" (as opposed to all the others of course).
Vj ~ Then it’s making progress because that is what true religion’s intent is.
There is no religion including Hinduism which has nothing valuable to say as well as which can not be seriously faulted in some aspects.
Vj ~ Easier said than done, what do you know of them all to conclude what little is even valuable?
No criticism of the Bible or Q'uran will get you to the heart of what religion is most truly involved with as they are all removed from direct experience and mere abstractions.
Vj ~ You are absolutely right again but my criticism is constructive based on reasoning science and in conformity with natural laws. When you have reached this state only then criticism of other religions can be of benefit to you.
If you had stopped before you got to the "I'm right and everybody else is wrong" bit those would have been a great site.
Vj ~ The greatness of my site as the one true religion can only be determined to be so by the wise and unless you seek their company you would never know who is really a fool.
Dialogue 5
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Hello Rudayev - Monday 22-May-2000
I had better hope you will find the right way.
Vj ~ How would it benefit you whether I find the right way or not?
Were you a Muslim? (Have you ever been a Muslim?)
Vj ~ No, but I have been an atheist until intensive inquires into all religions led me to the one true Vedic religion. A religion is not true because it make such a claim but is ascertained to be so by proper reasoning guided by the correct knowledge.
and we ask His forgiveness for any mistakes made due to ignorance.
Vj ~ Then he will be forever be forgiving to Muslims since Islam is false. One who was a polygamist adulterer pedophile and murderer cannot save his own soul much less those who (muslims) foolishly follow so diligently.
Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam. From Abu Dawud Vol. 2 "Aisha said "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." Hello friend - Sunday 14-Jan-2001
Hey! You're muslim right? I'm not a muslim but I'm darn glad to see someone on this board who believes in some sort of higher being
Vj ~ Here is what his "sort of higher being" instructed muslims to do.
".....And to cut off the roots of the unbelievers (non-muslims)......I will assist you with a thousand angels ranks on ranks..... "I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers (non-muslims): Smite ye above their necks And smite all their finger-tips off them." Sura 4:7 9 12.
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:..." Sura 5:54.
And did you know that his prophet Muhammad who had nine wives and numerous concubines was, a child-molester. It makes good sense to know a religion before you begin to shower praise on its god otherwise you could be his next victim.
Dialogue 6
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Hello Timur - Wednesday 10-Jan-2001
Yes. Jihad against evil.
Vj ~ Isn't having sexual relations with a child evil?
For example I am from Chechen Contraguerilla (Intelligent Agency).
Vj ~ Some piece of intelligence I must say when Chechnya lies in ruins and its people reduce to starving refugees dependent on infidels (Christians) for food.
You are still swearing to our prophet.
Vj ~ It is the best I can do to describe an epileptic illiterate pedophilic sex-maniac after studying the Q'uran and Hadiths. These things are true of him there is no false accusation made by me. His immoral legacy is a disgrace to the human race and his religion is the most immediate threat to the end of human civilization as it is. Besides, I have been doing worst in my washroom where according to the Q’uran Allah pervades my toilet.
"To God belong the east and the west: Whithersoever ye turn there is the presence of God. For God is All-Pervading and All-knowing." Sura 2:115
We are closely sighting you. Also, we are still sighting such kind of Anti Islamic Satanic activities all over the earth.
Vj ~ If you can't handle the Russians forget about the rest of the world. If this is what Allah intended for Muslims I wonder where they would find the time to pray 5 times a day. Must be very difficult being a Muslim to pray and then commit murder after.
Now you are waiting for our strike by the permission of Allah.
Vj ~ I know, I wonder where was Allah when Sadam Hussain was ready to destroy his muslim neighbors, when Bosnian Muslims were being annihilated, when Albanians muslims were fleeing Kosovo and where is he now that the Palistinians need him most. If I were you I would abandon Allah, Muhammad and the Q'uran altogether and worship the God of the United States of America. It seems whenever Muslims are in grave trouble it is the Americans who usually come to their aid. Putting the infidels (non-mulims) to the sword as propagated by the Q'uran is not a reality any more my friend, it is the other way round and allah seems to have gone to sleep. I wonder why he created the internet, did he not know that this would do more harm to Islam in exposing his illiterate pedophilic messenger?
Dialogue 7
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Hello Timur -Tuesday 9-Jan-2001
"Too bad your god hadn't the good sense to enlighten those of before 1400 years ago.”
Allah has enlightened every one since mankind was created. From the Prophet Adam to Muhammed. To Lut Ibrahim, Moses and the Prophet Jesus.
Vj ~ Had he enlightened Abraham and Lot with the Ten Commandments he gave to Moses perhaps they would not have committed adultery and incest respectively. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" went to the gutter when the illiterate pedophilic polygamist Muhammad with 9 wives one his own daughter-in-law and one only a child still committed adultery (concubines). When his wives come to know of his adulterous affairs, your Allah threatened them with better wives for the filthy and immoral prophet. Note! If there were better wives why did Allah not give them to Muhammad in the first place?
Again one must wonder if Allah had any brains whatsoever when he gave Adam, Abraham and Moses only one wife each, Christ none and Muhammad nine.
"So from what did your god created the "one piece"?
He created from nothing. He created from his Eternal Science.
Vj ~ Hey lame-brain! It is only a magician who makes something appears out of nothing. What sensible person would want to lay their thrust in a magician for god (Allah)? God is All-wise and All-perfect and does not perform magic the playful actions of mortal man. Out of nothing, nothing can come and if your Q'uran don't have the answer then you know where to go for Vedic enlightenment. Here is how the one true God account for the creation of the universe.
Your ideas depends upon a god which depends upon the universe.
Vj ~ Far better than a god (Allah) who depends on blood (Fatwa and Jihad) to create martyrs.
However we Muslims do not believe existence power of anything but Allah.
Vj ~ And being illiterate is enough to qualify you for such a belief.
For example you believe in existence of atoms, matter etc but we are different. Your argument is not valid.
Vj ~ How is it not valid when atom and matter, the material cause of all things seen and unseen, do exist?
We only believe all of them are very small reflection of the Eternal Science of Allah.
Vj ~ No wonder spilling blood and plundering innocent nations turned out to be such a huge "reflection".
If you read my essay MATERIALISM A DEBUNKED IDEOLOGY The Qur'anic Challenge To Materialism you will see the details.
Vj ~ An illiterate epileptic prophet (Muhammad) and his side-kick Allah who have taught men to murder innocent people because they do not subscribe to the Muslim faith can never be propagators of true knowledge. So whatever you have written would have no grounds for anything sensible.
Dialogue 8
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Sunday 7-Jan-2001
do not disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were at one piece then we parted them and made every living thing from water. will they not then believe? (surah al-anbiya: 30)
Vj ~ Too bad your god hadn't the good sense to enlighten those before 1400 years ago. So from what did your god created the "one piece"? Here is how the one true God account for the a href="http://www.oocities.org/Athens/Ithaca/3440/matter.html">material cause of the universe.Friday 12-Jan-2001
Muslims are suffering all over the world right now and your allah is awaiting judgment day to punish the enemies. As a matter of fact if he can't help muslims when they really need his help I doubt whether he has the power to punish the enemies when the time comes.
Allah has 99 names. Such as the Tremendous the High the Eternal the living the Truth the King the First the Last the Tormentor Have a great Paitance.
Vj ~ What good are such 99 names when Muslims in Chechnya, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. are in ruins and its population reduced to refugees dependence on hand-outs from the infidels (Christians).
Allah never punishes the criminals immediately. First He gives sometime. Then He punishes. (Al-Halim)
Vj ~ Perhaps not, but when Chechnians are already suffering who is inflicting the punishment? Your allah is a false and helpless god made up by the illiterate epileptic polygamist pedophilic sex-maniac Muhammad. It is the reason why muslims are suffering all over the world and that is not the end of it wait until they find out there is really no Paradise much less virgins, wine, milk and honey.
Aisha was a teen. Also they are married. The concept that your IQ level cannot comprehend.&
Vj ~ I cannot comprehend how a Muslim any where in Western civilization can have sex with a 9 year-old child as the filthy illiterate pedophilic polygamist sex-maniac Muhammad once did without going to jail.
On the Day of Judgment you will see where Allah
Vj ~ Muslims are suffering all over the world right now and your allah is awaiting judgment day to punish the enemies. As a matter of fact if he can't help muslims when they really need his help I doubt whether he has the power to punish the enemies when the time comes.
Dialogue 9
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Rick Alseas - Friday 9-Feb-2001
A virgin is described in the webster dictionary “as a person who has not have sexual intercourse”. So a female who had sexual intercourse cannot remain a virgin. The covering skin is a physical sign indicating a virgin but if that long-winded theory is possible then the covering skin can no longer be used as the determining factor of a virgin.
Even if they have sex they remain as virgins.
Vj ~ How can that be possible idiot? Even though you are not aware of the misery that will befall you by following such a religion as Islam you are truly deserving of it. Where does it say in the Q'uran that it is so?
Timur: You can check Surah Ar-Rahman. It is mentioned that the women (houris and the new created world women) will always remain as virgins.
Vj ~ If all the women of your Paradise remain as virgins, then who are the men having sex with - Muhammad and the young boys?
The Birth is only due to the permission of Allah.
Vj ~ Well we are facing a population explosion which is the cause of world hunger and eventually could lead to the destruction of the planet. You would think Allah could refuse permission of births to slow down over population.
In the paradise no one will give birth.
Vj ~ Where does it say in the Q'uran that it is so?
I want to stress that why sex love will be in the paradise. In fact sex is not forbidden in our religion. Sexual desire is one of the greatest fortunes given to mankind (female and male) by the Lord. Sex is not forbidden providing that you are married. (if you are not married sex is a crime) In paradise mankind will be married with their loves.
Vj ~ The purpose of sex is procreation and if the desire for sex exists in Paradise it means your paradise will become overpopulated at some time resulting in chaos. And that time could be sooner than later since the men are allowed have as much as 72 virgins each.
Dialogue 10
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Lara - Tuesday, September 30, 1997
Muslims follow the commandments of the Creator and Sustainer of all of
humankind. He created you as well.
-Muslims do not fast year round or for the rest of their lives because
Allah (God) knows what is best for we humans.
-Muslims are commanded not to eat pig meat for very good reasons, one
of which is because it is unclean as anyone can see from how pigs live
and what they eat. But the pig as an animal is to be respected (just
not eaten) because it is one of Allah's creation.
-The wine in Paradise is not the same as that found on Earth.
-Muslim men are allowed to have up to four wives. It is more
responsible than what one sees worldwide with all the illegitimate
births and irresponsibility with men having many girlfriends and not
taking care of them.
-Allah knows best why the revelation was made in Arabic and not
another language. There is nothing wrong with the Arabic language and
it is actually easier to learn for many people than some other
languages.
-Finally, Muslims are not disturbed. Being Muslim means following the
commandments of Allah (God), which is so natural.
I hope Allah guides you to the Truth.
Vj ~ It is obvious that you were totally disturb and just grab at
anything next to it which still leaves you a very disturb individual.
If fasting is really a godly thing to do why don't all Muslims fast
all year round or for the rest their lives? If pig meat is wrong to eat what makes cow meat right? If it is because she belongs to the family of herbivores, then why aren't you eating a
donkey? If alcohol is prohibited in Islam how come they have rivers of wine
in Paradise? (45: 15, also 83:22,25)
How would you cope with a Muslim husband that can have three more
wives? Or better yet if he really wants to be like his prophet and go for
eleven wives?
If this God is just why did he make his revelation in Arabic, the
language of only the Arabians? I mean there is no effort for the Arabians to
pray in Arabic, but you now have to make a special effort to learn the
language to pray.
Dialogue 11
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Hello Lara - Saturday, October 04, 1997
Muslims follow the commandments of the Creator and Sustainer of all of
humankind. He created you as well.
Vj ~ Shouldn't these commandments be revealed in the beginning for all of mankind rather than for those from 1400 years ago?
Muslims do not fast year round or for the rest of their lives because Allah (God) knows what is best for we humans.
Vj ~ If Allah knows what is best for us, why did he create Satan and infidels
(unbelievers) and then ask his followers to kill them?
"Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors." Sura 9:124
Muslims are commanded not to eat pig meat for very good reasons, one of which is because it is unclean as anyone can see from how pigs live and what they eat. But the pig as an animal is to be respected (just not eaten) because it is one of Allah's creation.
Vj ~ No intelligent person can understand the virtue of respecting a pig as one of Allah's creation when you eat the cow that feeds us especially our babies with her milk. As I said before why not eat a monkey or a donkey who lives on clean diet?
The wine in Paradise is not the same as that found on Earth.
Vj ~ That is your own assertion, the Koran does not say so. Maybe there is no Paradise either, have you thought about that?
Muslim men are allowed to have up to four wives. It is more responsible than what one sees worldwide with all the illegitimate births and irresponsibility with men having many girlfriends and not taking care of them.
Vj ~ If all men had four wives (or nine as your prophet had), what would be your solution to population explosion? Besides when a husband dies, he leaves four widows and many children - a
tougher responsibility I would say. I cannot help thinking how stupid your Allah is, that more women are liable to become widows with this way than one wife per man.
-Allah knows best why the revelation was made in Arabic and not another language. There is nothing wrong with the Arabic language and it is actually easier to learn for many people than some other languages.
Vj ~ The Christians and other faith groups are saying that their God knows best also and their language are easy to learn. Whom should we believe? Besides it shows partiality to the Arabs who already know the language while non-Arabs have to make immense effort to learn a new language, without which they cannot even begin to pray.
-Finally, Muslims are not disturbed. Being Muslim means following the commandments of Allah (God), which is so natural. I hope Allah guides you to the Truth.
Vj ~ In many Muslim countries, for instance Algeria, they are killing innocent people in the name of Allah. The Taliban in Afghanistan are denying women
all civil liberties. In Israel, Muslims are killing innocent Jewish civilians. If this is what you call the natural commandments of Allah, you do have a disturbed mind. There is really no truth in killing innocent animals or people for that matter. If God is indeed your protector, how come you have enemies?
Dialogue 12
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Hello Mohammed - Thursday, October 30, 1997
VJ - OK here is basis from the Koran - muslim men are promised virgins
and rivers of wine in paradise. Is not this true?
Vj ~ It is really nothing new
since they are virgins on earth already and since alcohol is forbidden on
earth why is OK in Paradise? If you are promised virgins then there is
procreation in paradise, which means it will become overpopulated at
sometime. Since no one dies or leaves it will
certainly be a hellish paradise.
Shows your narrow minded thinking. Your mind cannot comprehend the vastness of the universe.
Vj ~ Didn’t the “vastness of the Universe” existed long before the Koran was revealed?
Procreation is not the only purpose of companionship
Vj ~ When paradise is supposed to be an eternal heaven of uninterrupted bliss, why would you need companionship?
The wine in paradise says the koran will not cause intoxication.
Vj ~ It is the gratified feeling of intoxication that alcohol is consumed and for no other reason. You are an idiot as well as your prophet and Allah, had it not such an effect no one would be drinking it.
The Vedas are full of myths and stories.
Vj ~ Isn’t your last revelation (the Q’uran) a reality because Muslims claimed that previous ones were corrupted? The Vedas were also subjected to misinterpretation, but because it contains truth, there is no need for another revelation to tell us so.
Your Vedas whom you are unaware of btw, contain stories of people having three heads, people having heads of horses, incest with the daughter, men
having thousand heads, feet and eyes etc. This garbage, only you can believe
in.
Vj ~ Why don’t you check out my belief instead of wasting your breath?
Check out
Penguine Classics, hindu myths, right out of the Rg Veda.
Vj ~ Check out Hinduism on the contents of this page.
Please don’t waste my time
Vj ~ It is either that or waste your soul.
get an education and some decency first and then we can correspond.
Vj ~ Mohammad was an illiterate so there goes “education” and he was a polygamist and pedophilic, there goes too, your “decency”, but yet you still read his book - the Q’uran.
I am not interested in proving anything to you
I would rather that you remain misguided.
Vj ~ You have nothing to prove to me since I already know what your intolerant religion is all about. The “misguided” are those who are only familiar with their own belief and not the others. If I am misguided, how come I am not a Muslim?
you choose to be blind.
Vj ~ So I take it that almost 4 billion people, almost two thirds of the
world's population are blind. You live in the west why would you want to be
subjected by the laws of blind people. Are you not in violation of Islamic
laws by living among unbelievers?
Dont tell me what "muslims" did as a claim against islam.
Vj ~ It is not me who is saying it - it is the history of Islam that speaks
for itself. If it is obnoxious as it sounds, there is no one else to be
blame but the Koran that incites Muslims to kill others.
hindus have done much worse. Islam is the Koran and not the actions of Muslims
Vj ~ I don't think you can be that stupid and dumb to class Hinduism with
Islam. They may worship idols but they don't invade, plunder, loot and rape
other countries to spread their doctrine. Wherever they were engaged in
wars, it was in self-defense. Shivaji and Guru Gobind rose against Muslim
tyranny to free their people and in their own country. I see nothing wrong
in that.
What do you have to say about this my friend.
Vj ~ Very good. If he was, and Islamic law permits four wives for a
Muslim man, Why Allah created only one wife for him? Why Allah was so generous
to Mohammad and permit him 9 wives and gave Jesus none?
the one adam and one eve story is not supported by the Koran.
Vj ~ Very good, then what does it support? Please educate me of your
doctrine, remember I am blind. By V. Singh - December 26, 1998
THE CHILD BRIDE OF MOHAMMAD
The mankind has certainly become more civilized over the ages, but their scriptures have failed to keep up with the trend of morality where incest, adultery and murder were accepted facts or religious deeds for salvation but are now immoral and/or illegal. Today a man will be incarcerated for having sex with a child 14 years and under, how does this justify the Prophet of God, Mohammad taking a child, Aisha only 9 years old as his wife?
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Hello Monotheist - Quranic Science Monday, 03-Aug-98 10:26:15 24.64.144.183 writes:
"And the heavens We created with power and skill and verily We are expanding it" How did an arab desert nomad named mohammad 1400 years ago know that the universe was expanding ?????? This was recently discovered.
Vj ~ "One day we shall remove mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch...."Sura. 18:47 True knowledge is consistency all the way, but this verse, like many others, shows he was ignorant of simple geography. It means he was a fraud and obtained a few truths here and there. Go to my website and you will see where all the knowledge came from.
It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah."
Vj ~ The question is, why would a Just, Merciful and Compassionate God deprived millions of souls born before Mohammad of this Divine Revelation?
"Before Muhammad, there were other Prophets such ad Abraham, Moses, Jesus & many others. Their souls were not deprived."
Vj ~ All prophets brought new messages and that means that the souls before them were deprived of it. For example, Moses brought the Ten Commandments, which meant the souls before him were deprived of it. If it had come in the beginning maybe Cain would not have murdered Abel, Abraham would have obeyed "Thou shalt not commit adultery." New messages that are in contradiction to the old ones only proved God's inconsistencies, which is a breach to his Attribute of All-knowing. Moses said "Thou shalt not kill" but Mohammad's Koran opposed it by waging war. Monotheist - Quranic Science - Monday, 03-Aug-98 10:55:23 24.64.144.183 writes:
What I've read in the Vedic literature is interesting and thought provoking however the Quran and Hadith literature in my opinion has more to offer in the area of science (it is clear and to the point, like the reference to the expansion of the Universe and that life came from water. There is not much room for speculation, it is straight foward and to the point).
Vj ~ Generally, speaking everything came from water, since water is the fourth element before solids. But can you narrow it down what you mean or the Koran, by "life came from water"?
I believe we can unite Vedas and the Quran , both scriptures, both faiths as one ( an amalgamation of the two ). What do you say to that?
Vj ~ Any unity defies all logics, since the source of all knowledge is the Vedas. It stands out the absolute and abstruse truth of all sciences and needs no unification with any other order. Whatever truth the Koran contains came from the Vedas so where is the necessity to unite them. Furthermore, the Koran is tainted with intolerant teachings this opposes the Vedic view of non-violence except in self-defence.
Hello Vijai Singh What books can you recommend me to learn more about the Vedic faith ? I also I'd like to know if there are any Vedic study groups in South Florida USA ? Thank You .
Vj ~ I have given enough on my site whereby you can begin the functional aspect of the intellect and that is reasoning. Since reasoning take quite sometime to ingrain, now is the time to start by looking at all the religions as I have presented. We call this self-study. When the this functional aspect is acquired it will be necessary to begin with the " Light of Truth" written by the Last Reformerand then other books by him or about him.
Does the Vedic religion you offer provide it's adherents such a family , fraternal atmosphere , close knit community , religious identity .etc ?
Vj ~ Yes we do - but first we began our studies to know the truth - what is the soul and its purpose; why are we here and where we came from and where do we want to go from here. When these truths are fully known to us only then we go out in fraternity. The difference is we don't eat free food and tell people how kind they are, but we show them the true path to make their lives sublime also.
Or is it another Vedic cult philosophy that leaves it's adherents fending for themselves , without a fraternal foundation , without the cultural infrastructure to construct a holistic integrated community ?
Vj ~ The source of cultism is the mediators in disguised as prophets from God. In Vedic religion there is no mediator between man and God. We can also attest this truth to the fact, that wherever there are mediators between man and God, believers can never find happiness since they use up all their life time of learning only to protect these hypocrites. How can anyone find happiness this way?
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Hello Jabirf -8:30am Mar 22, 1998
You truly have taken leave of your earthly senses and have gone somewhere out there.
Vj ~ It is only by subjective knowledge one can really know God, so you are right, you have to leave your earthly senses to realize Him.
Happy trip and there was no fight to lose.
Vj ~ I am very happy to hear this. Islam may have won its earthly battles by plundering and raping innocent nations, but muslims have lost the battle of spiritual enlightenment for their souls in doing so.
Read your own statements about knowledge. Whose reasoning are you talking about "Messiah" or is that Shaitan.
Vj ~ The Messiahs were the Shaitans. They have only brought the divisions among mankind, for if they were truly Messiahs they would brought unity instead. A neat coverup I would say, and you would say the same if you should reason a little with the guidance of correct knowledge.
Obviously your own "superior intellect" - "Mr. Spock". thanks pal and have a good one.
Vj ~ You are not going to run like "Mr. Spock" opponents, are you? I happy also to be your pal and thanks for the warm words of advise. Hello Akberk - 8:24am Apr 26, 1998
I wonder why a non-Muslim would interpret a verse from the Quran out of context and in a manner different from that of Muslims?
Vj ~ How could it be out of context when there is no religious tolerance for Christians in Islamic nations? Why the hateful threat of driving the Jewish nation into the sea so glaring? It was Mohammad, who started the annihilation of Jews because they did not accept Islam.
Muslims do not take this verse to mean what was implied in the last post. I say this because the verse is taken out of context and if one goes to the Quran we see that this refers to such Jews and Christians that "make a jest and sport of your religion" (5:58). What is wrong with this?
Vj ~ It is totally absurd for a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God to give such intolerant instructions as to single out a group because of their religous affiliations.
Would you make friends with someone who insulted what you held dear and close to your heart? How can your conscience remain clear that you believe in something yet you befriend those who
ridicule it?
Vj ~ Why not, how else can I hope to enlighten them? It is better to leave your enemies to God and if your God can't handle the situation, then he is surely not god. It does not give Allah the right to ask Muslims to kill (Rushdie, Anwar Shaik, etc.) because they disagree. How can your conscience remain clear after following such instructions to "cut their necks" and "finger tips" "and slay them"?
The Quran never makes general statements that are against common sense.
Vj ~ It is these general statements that led Muslims to invade and plunder many innocent nations and if it is not against common sense, what is?
I caution readers to go to the Quran or translation themselves and read the context to see what is being discussed.
Vj ~ It is simple Akberk, as I read your Koran, all instructions given are patterned after the barbaric and tyranical history of Islam. Algeria and Afghanistan presently, are fine example.
Many similar verses exist in the Quran and we find that they apply to specific circumstances and are in tune with human nature and intellect.
Vj ~ Is it in tune with human nature and intellect to subjugate men, women and children to tyranny and barbarism (spoils), even your own women, as little as six years old (Aisha)?
Peace. God Bless.
Vj ~ This "peace" and "God Bless" you must have got it from some other religion but definitely not your own.
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Hello jabirf 9:01am Apr 26, 1998
J: Asalaam alaikum. Thanks for your responses AKBERk and I like your response at "Vedic Religion" area... (BIG smile).
Vj ~ It would have been better if your courage was as big as your smile.
Tom: Salaams to you. Yes we do worship the same God, but we do so in a different manner.
Vj ~ The different manner is death (fatwa) to those who should ever speak the truth of Islam.
J: You see Tom, there is only ONE GOD and thus it is rather foolish to say that you do not believe in Islam or such other statements.
Vj ~ It is even more foolish to say that you believe in it since Islam was not here from the beginning of creation. Were all the souls born before Islam, fools?
J: Islam simply is a term that means "Submission to God by doing what God asks us to do".
Vj ~ And that is "Put the infidels (those who do not believe in Islam) to the sword." Submission to God, means that into His mercy you leave your enemies for Him to deal with, but instead you people are taking matters into your own hands.
Thus if you are worshipping God, Muslims do not generally have a problem with you.
Vj ~ So why was India invaded and the Hindus had their temples torn down and idols smashed?
It is the atheist and the self worshippers that we ignore and they are so "lost", that nothing can be done for them by human beings.
Vj ~ Little do you know, that they are saying the same about you. But it is better to be an atheist, since there are no instructions given from any one or anywhere to kill those who do to not agree with them.
Allah (God) will repay them for their mockery and thus we leave them alone. We leave them to God, for Him to do as he pleases.
Vj ~ Can you tell this to the Khomeinis and all the Muslims who are hunting Rushdie? How could you have such ‘great understanding’ of the Qur’an when they are so ignorant of it?Reverend Wholesomeness - 9:06pm - Apr 20, 98
The only form of birth control you need is good lighting. Did anyone else read the cartoon by Johnny Hart? Apr 19's issue of B.C. was obviously aimed at Arabs and Muslims, calling them lying, theiving trash. I would like to apologise for the actions of Mr. Hart and have already contacted the syndicate (Creators Syndicate) that he works for. As a non-Muslim, I am equally disgusted with the bigotry and anti-immigrant statement in the cartoon. jabirf - 5:40am Apr 23, 1998
"Worship Allah(swt) Only - The One God". Cool! Reverend Wholesomeness. I just don't agree with Christian views on lots of things, but I respect them as human beings. My Objections are not personal. Thanks and have a good one.
Vj ~ It is obvious that 'Perfect religion' is in grave trouble. Everytime an unbeliever farts it must be followed by an apology. Why is an apology necessary? Is it because it will deny believers entry into Paradise? If not, it won't be necessary, since unbelievers are already destined to a hell of fire. The ultimate truth cannot be tainted by God himself, never mind a mortal being. Could it be that Allah made a huge mistake in sending 'perfect religion' to the wrong planet or did he under estimate the power of unbelievers?Hello Akberk - 6:10am May 2, 1998
Akberk - Perhaps you missed my comment above regarding your duplicity. On the one hand you assert that the Muslims altered
the Vedas to include their own teachings and on the other hand you use the same Vedas to proclaim that they are the summit of
logic and intelligence.
Vj ~ As I have said before, the Vedas and many Hindu scriptures were completely destroyed by the Muslim during their invasions of India. Whatever were kept they changed it to convert the illiterate to Islam. It was only when the British came to India that the Vedas were again easily accessible although it was imported from Germany then. The Vedas is eternal and is revealed in all creations, so there can be no historical references as prophecy of any person.
Akberk - What you have said of science is true, it did pass from the Aryans to the Greeks to the Muslims and then to the Europeans.
Vj ~ If by your own admission it first came from the Aryans what more proof do you want? Again may I remind you that an advance Aryan civilization came to an end 5000 years ago, the remnants of it, was passed on to Eygpt (4000 yeas ago), then to Greece
(3000 years ago), the Romans (2000 years ago) and finally to the British (1000 years ago) approximately. During that time the Arabs were no more than savages, until the British came to their rescue and likewise to the other savage nations of the world.
Akberk - But this is not what I was talking of. What I refer to is that the contribution of the Muslims' direct influence on
European science.
Vj ~ Scientists of all religions contributed to the advancement of civilization. This does not mean that the source of all sciences came from their particular religion. If it is so, then where did the athiests get theirs?
Akberk - In astronomy many heavenly bodies are still called by their Arabic names which have been Latinized of course. I don't see any Sanscrit names perhaps you would be so kind to point
them out.
Vj ~ Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. The Vedas is the source of all ethics, morals and sciences. The revelation of true religion must be revealed in the beginning of creation for all of mankind and so far the Vedas is the only one that fit this truth. I do not have to point it out. It is there for those who want to know.
Akberk - I could go on about the fields of education, mathematics, music, etc. but I think you see my point.
Vj ~ The four Vedas with over 100,000 verses, and some prose, in dozens of text contained the sub-Vedas known as the UpaVedas
which expound profound sciences:- - Ayurveda - studies the anatomy, physiology, hygiene, sanitary science, surgery, etc.
- Dhanur Veda - teaches archery and other Military Science for self- defense from within and outside.
- Gandharva Veda - teaches the science and art of music.
- Sthapatya Veda - teaches engineering, architecture and all branches of mathematics in general.
All these subjects are considered spiritual studies and are inherent parts of the Vedas.
The Vedangas contains grammar, prosody, astronomy and lexicography which according to the Indian Cultural conceptions are also parts and subjects of the Vedic religious studies. Whatever the Rishis of yore have handed down to mankind they neither did it selfishly, for personal fame and glory nor will they be the sitting next to God deciding who goes to heaven or hell. I will ask you also not to ignore my comments below. Natural law states that which is the effect of the combination of matter is finite and must dissolved again into matter. If Islam is in tune with natural science how can you explain the finite luxuries of rivers of wine, milk and honey, palaces and virgins of an eternal Paradise?
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Hello ShaB - February 08, 1999
vj, Inshalla, Allah (the one true god) will guide you to the true way of life,
Vj ~ What guidance can there be from a God who favours one over the other? It is not only an injustice to send down a new religion, but to demonize those before as infidels for no fault of their own and calling for their death is beyond the pale of ignorance.
I sincerely suggest you investigate further,
Vj ~ I sincerely suggest you read my site and tell me if I need do more investigation that what I have already done.
as of now there are 5.4 million muslims in North America and 1 billion world wide, it is the fastest growing religion in the world,
Vj ~ I know it is the fastest growing, but so is pain and misery, especially in the Muslim world.
for this to be possible on earth Allah must love his creation.
Vj ~ If this is the way you measure God's love for his creation, then the Christian God is doing a lot better since there are more than 2 billion Christians world wide. Again, if 1 billion speaks of Allah's love, then whoever takes credit for the remaining 4.4 billion (non-muslims) is indeed doing a better job than your allah. Hello ShaB, Asalam alaikum
This is the first time I have heard of the Vedas.
Vj ~ Count your blessings and make good use of it. Think of how unfortunate it is for billions alive and dead, who have never heard of it, mind you, not the fault of God.
If you say the Vedas is the truth and I would say the Qur’an is the truth, the only way of truly knowing is after our death.
Vj ~ Then by your own statement, you must admit that the Vedas is the truth since you must first know before you die that it is only the truth can set you free.
God knows best in which way we choose to worship him.
Vj ~ Very true and this is why He sent the Vedas (the only way) in the very beginning of creation, instead of 1400 years ago (the Q'uran), for all mankind which meant if any was ever deprived of true worship, it was their fault and not God.
If what we believe helps us to achieve peace with God, we will benefit from this life but only God knows how he will judge us after.
Vj ~ Belief is false since it leads to many uncertainties in life and as such no one can find peace with God. True knowledge is knowing and thus eliminating all uncertainties in life, which truly brings peace for the soul and a fair knowledge of how you will be judged (law of karma).
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Hello ShaB - February 10, 1999
God blessed me with Islam (surrender to Gods will)
Vj ~ If Islam claimed itself to be true religion, then something must be wrong somewhere, since a Christian or a Jew makes the same claim of being blessed. Again, when Muslims surrender to God’s will, shouldn’t it mean that they must leave their enemies to God’s justice, instead of dispensing justice (Jihad/fatwa) for God?
For whatever crosses my path good or bad, I have to accept it according to Gods will, All praise is for Allah (our creator) in every situation,I thank him for whatever he chooses for me,
Vj ~ Everyone of different faiths shower the same praise for their Gods also, so what makes their Gods less praiseworthy than yours, unless you prefer to remain an idiot without further investigations of the others.
There is no power except in Allah,he rules over all we cannot argue with him,
Vj ~ If you are not allowed to argue with Allah, then he must be envious of your wisdom.
this world is lost, we are always in a state of weakness from when we are born to our death,
Vj ~ The world is indeed lost for fools, but never for those who know the truth.
we are always in a state of weakness from when we are born to our death,
Vj ~ Or perhaps Muslims are in a state of weakness since there is no knowledge in the Q'uran to make them strong.
belief in the prophets from Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them), the Angels, belief in life after death and the day of judgment
Vj ~ There was no Allah in the time of Adam, otherwise He would have sent the Q'uran then; and as for Mohammad he was a lustful man who had nine wives, one a nine-year old child, another his own daughter-in-law and many concubines. Belief in such lunacy is nothing but “weakness” from birth to death.Hello ShaB - February 11, 1999
Allah is name of God in Arabic, he is the same universal God you believe in, the Creator of the Heavens and Earth
Vj ~ It cannot be the same God, since He taught you to put the infidels (me and other non-muslims) to the sword. A God must be as universal as His revelation. They must both exist, not only from the very beginning of this creation but for all past and future creations. The Arabic language was not the first (source) language of creation and therefore it is unjust of God to now make it compulsory as the only language of communication to Him.
If I want to call him Dio (in Italian or spanish) it is the same thing, as long as we invoke to him alone
Vj ~ It is not what we call Him but what we truly know of His Attributes, nature and Characteristics.
One God for all people,
Vj ~ If He is God for all people, why were those before Mohammad denied four wives? Arabic is a spoken language of one race (Arabs) of people and favoring them is not what I call “for all people”.
we are all human beings and came from the same source,
Vj ~ And what is that source, incest (Cain and his sister)? No wonder you are intellectually static (infirmed). Whatever is immoral today could not have been moral at any other time.
we are to be tested in this life and God will judge us for our bad deeds,
Vj ~ If Allah instruct Muslims to rape and plunder innocent nations (infidels) for the rewards of 72 virgins each, rivers of wine, milk and honey in Paradise, how would you know what is good or bad deeds?
so whatever we do will affect our eternal life, lets not risk it.
Vj ~ It seems from this discussion that you are the one at risk. According to your faith only Allah is eternal (without beginning or end), therefore all else must perish, even your “life” (soul).
I love Islam meaning Peace and Surrender to Gods will, but I hate what most muslims do , they dont practice Islam, it can be expected that most of the world looks down at us because of them.
Vj ~ How could it be peace since the birth of Islam, they are always at war if not with unbelievers, it is among themselves. Again, it is not only wrong for a woman to look down on a man (Muhammad) who would marry one's next of kin (daughter-in-law), but the thought of sharing him with eight other wives must be a horrible state of mind to be in.
I dont know where you got this information from but I could guess its from the same world who wants to degrade us.
Vj ~ If you must follow a man because of the instructions he handed down, it will do you well to know of his character also. Spirituality or righteousness is measured by one's conduct. If Islam is being degraded, there is no one else to be blamed but the Prophet himself. This shows how blindly Muslims follow in their faith.
Please hold back on the Criticism.
Vj ~ It is constructive criticism that leads to truth. I have nothing to gain in accusing anyone falsely, but the truth must be expounded as the truth. If there is disbelief in Mohammad's conduct, you cannot disbelieve the birth of Islam from an illegitimate child (Ishmael) of a housemaid, fathered by an adulterous Abraham.
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Hello raziuddinji - February 25, 1999
But first let us agree to be fair and unprejudiced in our attitude. Otherwise it is not going to benefit anyone.
Vj ~ ".....And to cut off the roots of the unbelievers...... I will assist you with a thousand angels, ranks on ranks.....I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks And smite all their finger-tips off them." Sura 8: 7, 9, 12. The Q'uran expounded hate by calling for the annihilation of non-Muslims (infidels) and as history has proven it did live up to these prejudicial attitudes. It is quite true, we cannot change history but you and your q'uran can be changed to prevent further relegation of the soul to pain and misery.
One of the main reasons why ISLAM is misunderstood/misconceived is that it is considered as a new religion founded or started by Prophet Mohammed, although neither him nor the Qur’an claimed so.
Vj ~ Then you will have to agree on the same principle that the Baha'i religion is neither new nor started by the Baha'u'lah.
In fact, it started since the time man appeared on the earth.
Vj ~ There is no proof that the Arabic language existed in the beginning of creation. Secondly, neither Adam nor Eve has Arabic names nor did they had to face Mecca in prayer. Thirdly, since God created one man and one woman it means that there was no law that a man could have four wives. Fourthly, the systems of punishments or justice (sharia) derived from the Q'uran was never in place in the beginning but until the Q'uran was revealed 1400 years ago. Lastly, if it was not new what was the need for a further revelation, did Allah forget a few things he should have revealed in the beginning?
or, if you like, after a book:Vedic religion]).
Vj ~ Veda means knowledge derived from the root vid - to know. It would be most fitting for any intelligent person to reason that without knowledge mankind would be doomed and there could never be any other name more appropiate for knowledge itself.
ISLAM signifies a self-surrender to the will of God and attaining peace (inward and outward).
Vj ~ How could there be inward and outward peace (self-surrender to God's will) when prejudicial statements, desecration and blasphemy against Allah, his prophet and the Q'uran anger Muslims? When Muhammad himself was engaged in the spoils of wars, bloodshed and luste after women, how could anyone with a little common sense follow him as one who attained “peace (inward and outward)”?
Since this has no relation with time or place, it is applicable at all times and to all people.
Vj ~ Isn't knowledge also applicable at all times, even before the Q’uran? Furthermore, how can inward and outward peace be possible without the correct knowledge?
It is in this functional sense only that we recognise all the prophets of God and their true followers as Muslim.
Vj ~ This recognition becomes disfunctional when the Q'uran states
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors:..." Sura 5:54.
Again Christ said
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes unto the Father but by me."
How is it possible for any sensible person to recognize prophets with such bias and opposing statements?
but about their life and their original teachings we do not have authentic historical records.
Vj ~ Well you have authentic historical records that prove Muhammad had nine wives simultaneously, one a child-bride 9 years old, another his own daughter-in-law and still committed adultery by having concubines, which definitely could not have been the trait of a righteous person.
it is to be regarded as corrective and culminative rather than innovative and competitive.
Vj ~ How can mankind benefit from such a sensual and deceitful conduct and his intolerant teachings as corrective and culminative?
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Namaste Raziuddinji - February 28, 1999
Those who live in the house of glass, should not throw stones.
Vj ~ But those (myself) who live in the house of bulletproof glass (truth), can throw stones. I am not throwing you a stone for the sake of constructive motives to build and not to destroy.
but your comments on the first point itself reflect an attitude of “found” rather than “search” for the true religion.
Vj ~ Well it is obvious that you are searching for what I have already found. How would it be possible for both of us to be searching at the same time when there is no one to give us the proper direction?
the discussion has taken a different direction.
Vj ~ Since true religion opposes Islam it would make sense for the discussion to take a different direction.
If someone looks through red-coloured glasses, even white-coloured objects will appear to him as reddish.
Vj ~ It is not the color of the glass (perception) alone that truth is ascertained, but by reasoning guided by the correct knowledge. Belief is seeing and holds doubt, but reasoning is knowing, which means there is a chance for even the blind.
What are your comments on the life-style (as a sample) of one of the scores of Hindu deities -- Krishna.
Vj ~ I see you went through the trouble to look through a red-colored glass also. The difference is that you will always see everything reddish unless you start to reason. If Krishna is of an immoral character also, and he came long before Muhammad why are you a Muslim? I don't know how much you have read of my site but I have also laid criticism to Hinduism . So try again.Hello Kmuslima - March 20, 1999
There is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his messenger.
Vj ~ There is no God but Shiva and Krishna is his messenger and they came long before Allah and Muhammad.
As i'm sure u already know there is absolute harmony b/w Islam and EVERYTHING else there is.
Vj ~ Either that, or you really have no brains at all. If it is, it is only known to man 1400 years ago but since Krishna came 6,000 years ago it means harmony is nothing new. As matter of fact, the world would have been better off with Hindus who, unlike Islam, never invaded any other nation to enforce their religion.
It has been around since the begining of time and will always be.
Vj ~ In the beginning if the Arab language was around, why not the names Muhammad and Aisha instead of Adam and Eve?
I rememeber Brother J embarrassing u terribly, but i guess u'r a slow learner, so i'll tell u what, i'll save u another embarrassing moment and leave it at this
Vj ~ How could I be the embarrassed one when you want to leave like Brother J?
IF u keep coming back (u may not want to admit it), but u'r hooked on ISLAM
Vj ~ Either that or I am hooked on embarassment.
There is no God but Allah,
Vj ~ You mean there is no God like Allah who promise Paradise for those who rape, murder and plunder in his name.
and Muhammed is his messenger.
Vj ~ Many would love to be such a messenger where they can have 9 wives and as many concubines as they want. They can even take their sons' wives and they can also have their wives as young as Aisha, 9 years old.
Hello kumuslima - March 22, 1999
Listen buddy, i promise to Allah
Vj ~ He is a fake anyway. He too, has broken a promise to you there is no Paradise which is perhaps far better than sharing you husband with 72 virgins.
this will be the last time i waste my presious time
Vj ~ It couldn't be that precious then, since you couldn’t find any other use for it.
CAREFULL where u get u'r info u'r mislead.
Vj ~ If I am misleading, then your Muhammad should be blamed not me. Or you are being misinformed of his sensual and lustful life.
Don't confuse Muslims with Christans,i know the two r pretty close
Vj ~ If it was that close, how come Mohammad got free-will to have sex with so many women even his daugher-in-law and as young (Aisha) as nine years old, and Allah gave none to Jesus.
basically islam is perfect and will all ways be perfect no matter what blithering fools such as u'r self,
Vj ~ How does perfect goes with killing, raping and plundering of non-muslims?
U'r hopelessly trying to figure out why soooo many r turning to islam,
Vj ~ You got the word, they are hopeless. Hopelessness is the trait of an age of perverted intellects - morally, progression is downward.
Guidance is from GOD Allah- the most gracious the most merciful.
Vj ~ And where was his guidance when Muslims are in peril in Bosnia, Kosovo, Turkey, Chechnya, Palestine and Iraq? And where was he when 'infidel' America save Muslims from Muslims during the Gulf war? Some guidance.
too bad it won’t work with islam....
Vj ~ Any truth works to arouse Muslims, if it didn't there wouldn't be Jihad and Fatwa.
The prophet was the most beautiful man ( character)
Vj ~ Such a "beautiful character", sex with an under aged girl, would have landed him in jail as a child molester, by today's standards.
now tell me that 1.2+ billion r wrong
Vj ~ It is possible, since 2 billion Christians, and altogether 4.8 billion non-muslims are wrong in the eyes of Islam, you figure out the rest.
only god can help u.....
Vj ~ He is and He has sent me with this mission to save Muslims from that an illiterate who stacked the land of Arabia 1400 years ago.
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Hello ShaB - March 22, 1999
Vj, I know you mean well, but you’re only going to be attacked at the Islam Board.
Vj ~ You need not worry, they know me well and this is why like cowards, they are all running away.
There is no way, no how you will convince Muslims.
Vj ~ It is not my duty to convince anyone, but show them the way to ingraining good reasoning habits, after which they can take what is true or reject it, instead of being brainwashed not knowing what is true or false.
As a Muslim I have realized that Muslims cannot even tolerate each other
Vj ~ You don't even have to be a Muslim to know that.
but only God can judge me,
Vj ~ That again would depend on whose God you are asking to judge you, knowing Allah to be a bloodthirsty maniac, you wouldn't stand a chance in his paradise, especially when there is no specified reward for women.
If you respond please don’t quote what I write,
Vj ~ You are one of good understanding, strive for greater knowledge and then you would have no fear of a religion that is dangerously detrimental to the human soul. I sincerely can’t challenge you
Vj ~ No one in Islam can, otherwise he or she would have come forward already.Hello Tux x - March 22, 1999
To Shab, if you seem to be having such a big problem with muslims
Vj ~ You have your work cut out for you because she is not the only Muslim having a problem with Muslim.
and you do not even have the basic Islamic knowledge to answer Vijay Singhs questions
Vj ~ I can say this much, she knows more than you do since she had the courage to challenge me before.
then YOU ARE STILL A MUSLIM
Vj ~ Little comfort for those Muslims that is threatened with fatwas.Tux_x - March 22, 1999
Vijay Singh, I am assuming you are the appointed personal secratory for ShB in his/her absence. Fortunately, the internet is not monopolized by criminal brahmins who persecuted the shudras and burnt women alive in Sati. So, please come out of your fear mode and post whatever you want. ShaB - March 22, 1999
Salam, TUX, Its hard for me to get back on the net. I'm a house-wife and mother, Alhumdulillah, I dont know If you read my posts, Yes, I am a Muslim and have basic knowledge of submission to one God. I dont have a problem with other Muslims, some of them have a problem with Muslims who have a God given right to express their own views, which they condemn us for it. God knows whats in my heart. I dont need to prove I am a Muslim because I refuse to follow tradition and culture. I practice Peace and Love for all, no matter what Religion, Race or Color. Looks as though we're all enemies to one another. Is this what God asks of us? I certainly dont get that message when I read the Quran. It is others that try to divert my mind. Every Religion has its drawback, given the authority to condemn other Beliefs and Religions because of "THEIR RIGHT AND ONLY WAY", Religion is for God, which ever path you take. I have come to a conclusion, I dont want to be a part of any organized Religion diverting my mind to be an enemy to anyone. Vj, Have a good one..Salam
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"Just as color cannot be perceived by ears, nor sound by eyes; in like manner, the Eternal Supreme Spirit is not perceptible to the senses. He can only be seen by a pure soul through the purity of heart, acquisition of knowledge and the practice of yoga. Just as one cannot reap the advantages of knowledge without acquiring it, likewise the Supreme Spirit cannot be seen without the practice of yoga and gaining the highest knowledge." The Light of Truth Translation
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