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ADAM: evaluation about being "God" or "god"=Jehovah's servant (prophet) and TIME FOR ADAM

http://www.oocities.org/asia/elywife/jesus.ppt (message for Brazilian understand how evil is to "explore" the images for religious purpose, as if exposing dead person or under great suffering): necrolatry for LDS Brazilians with false lights around the head: some LDS painters get such lights HANDLING ENVIRONMENT. BUT Isaiah told that in JESUS THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIAL TO GIVE HIM SPECIAL VALUE OR ATTRACTION, AS IF "BEAUTIFUL PERSON" or "SURROUNDED BY LIGHTS" and Angel's musics, wearing nice looking rich (expensive, elaborated) clothes (as in so many LDS used pictures), nordic person, etc.

(NOT FOR usual BRAZILIANS: DON'T TRANSLATE IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO READ ENGLISH EASILY).

LAST POSTED MESSAGES IN YAHOO! GROUP "ADAM-GOD": titles

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:32 am
Subject: HOW LONG AGO (MORTALITY TIME) DID ADAM live? Our Kolob?

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:12 am
Subject: IS THERE (PHYSICAL?) SEPARATION in The WORLD of SPIRITS?

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:15 am
Subject: HOW LONG AGO (MORTALITY TIME) DID ADAM and EVE LIVE?

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From: "elywife" <elywife@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:17 am
Subject: "ULTRA"and"EXACERBATED" is when you give more value than DUE.

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From: "elywife" <elywife@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:07 am
Subject: DiscussADAMasGod x "god"? ISthere plenty "distinct God"?Alma 11:28

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:30 pm
Subject: Wrong idea "TRUE GOD´s DOCTRINE" x Men´s speeches x writtings

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:42 pm
Subject: SEPARATION IN WORLD OF SPIRITS

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:29 pm
Subject: Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTMAS GIFT= Shemah???

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:27 pm
Subject: Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTHMAS GIFT for this SITE

LAST POSTED MESSAGES IN YAHOO! GROUP "ADAM-GOD": copies

Use command EDIT + LOCATE + field with search DESIRED WORD. To seee quickly all head of messages, search for /message/ . If you want one specific message, fill DESIRED WORD with /message/5860 if 5860 is the number of message desired.

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:32 am
Subject: HOW LONG AGO (MORTALITY TIME) DID ADAM live? Our Kolob?

I didn't explain that some 23 years ago I was the Technical Director and one share holder of a Medium seized AEROPHOTOGRAMETRIC, GEODESIC and TOPOGRAPHIC mapping company. We did great number of maps for town and for farms, for planted tree forests, roads, etc. One problem in making accurate (as for engineering) maps of large lands, as big towns, or of a State Province, etc. is that what we measure in field (coordinates x, y, z = LEGTH, WIDTH, HEIGHT) is not the coordinates we use in making PRECISION MAPS, as ploting the buildings, roads, details, etc. that MUST BE UNDER VERY PRECISA SCALE for very precise design or for computing earth movements, for designing roads, etc. Such coordinates must present all things as measured in some "THEORIC PLANE OF REFERENCE", which in fact is not an HORIZONTAL PLANE (as SEA LEVEL: GEOID), but is a GEODESIC SURFACE because EARTH PLANET is not SPHERIC but has some deformation on poles . Usually we use a 3-D solid named Ellipsoid. (see sites on thathttp://gis.nrcan.gc.ca/~viljoen/gis8746/concepts/geodesy/spheroid.htmhttp://www.emis.de/classics/Hamilton/EqEll.pdfThis is the first and most classic and simple equation for and ELLIPSOID. Nowadays became quite easier to evaluate coordinates (x, y, not so precise or imprecise "z") using SATELITES for GPS, because their orbit are quite like ELLIPSOID of well known parameters, thus the position of each such satelite is known with very great precision. Thus, knowing (in ground) simultaneous position of several such satelites, is possible to obtain, fast, the coordinates for the point on ground (or sea, airplane, etc.) where the satelite position was recorded with precision. Very precise equations for satelite position are only available for military purposes. But yet such process is not good for "precision mapping", as to know good coordinates of each measured point, with a precision (or error) of FEW centimeters or less (as in geodesic support for mapping). And that is critical as for two distinct and long tunels met "exactly" in middle of a mountain, without deviations of axis in angle or lateral deviation (as crossing under Sea, from France do England or in JAPAN). The problem is to convert the "field topographic coordinates", as if (x, y, z = LENGTH, WIDTH, ALTITUDE) into some MAPPING COORDINATES IN GEODESIC SURFACE (X, Y, Z = LENGTH, WITH, ALTITUDE) in "other referential system", in which all coordinates "change". Thus we need to use something as "Kolob", a system of equations that transform one system of coordinates into another very distinct system of coordinates and that allow us have a spheric like surface (of EARTH) made as if FLAT, with MAP of large amount of lands shown on a PLANE MAP. For sure there are "deviations" in angles and distances when "measured" on the map (as if ELLIPSOID transformed into FLAT MAP SURFACE) and we want the REAL VALUES on GROUND. We need again to use some type of "Kolob" to TRASNFORM such PRECISION MAP COORDINATES into REAL DISTANCES on ground. And to know two distances between two points on some elevation Za (Xa, Ya, Za) and (Xb, Yb, Za) IN FIELD we use: DISTANCE = [ (Xa-Xb)^2 + (Ya-Yb)^2 ]^0,5 where ^ = power ^2=square With "time" is somewhat the same thing. If I know some event was worth 15,000 years for one event (as if start of Sabbath) and was 5,000 years for other event (as ...), then such events are separated by 15,000-5,000 = 10,000 years in mortality and if I know the time in God's referential time 1.17609 days (for 15,000) and 0.6987 days (for 5,000 mortal years), than in God's referential past 1.17609- 0.6987=0,4771 God's day = 10,000 mortality years (as DIFFERENCES). For sure, equations may have infinite possibility ways for presenting them (including in LOGARITMIC FORM/WAY) as you may set origin as being Jan.01th, 2004 AD (of CE) and set all equations for that. But it is possible to have infinite arbitrary DATUM, as for mapping Earth (Geodesy) or any Planet or Moon. The idea was to present the equation in a most simples and compact way: quite like as if in BOOK OF ABRAHAM (for sure Evil Priests, as I saw in Hinduism... in Malaysia, teaching falseshood to people and TEACHING them give "value" to plenty images, as if LDS on top false Moroni Angles: even they use plenty of gold paintings) have changed some of it. As about the "curse" on Black Negroes, as if a "bottle full of poison" discharged on Sea, in right spot/time and current, to arrive at the destine on right time and for a right purpose, as to "POISON" LDS But it appears it made exactly the opposite effect. Only blind don't see, as in Jerichoh, land where Jesus Christ had his own house and family and he was knwon as a carpenter, also. Thus, he was also refused there, except for a blind person: not accepted as God's Prophet. In fact some prophets are not well received among his "friends": suffer. In 1971 the Federal University of Parana, Brazil, was celebrating 50 years and a good prize was offered for a brandy new article. I won such prize presenting a way of transforming STRUCTURES that were complex to solve in REAL ENVIRONMENT (x, y, z, t) as if making some TRANSFORMATION OF COORDINATES ("Kolob") toward another WORLD, not real environment, where STRUCTURES are "changed" into very easy to compute ones. Thus "imaginary results" are "transformed back" into "real world", as if shifting from our normal Universe into the Universe of Wizzard of OZZ, solving structural equations, and moving back to original coordinates (x, y, z, t) with "real solutions". Maybe things to "reason" with our "REAL???" TIME (MORTALITY?????) can better be evaluated into such God's (imaginary???) time referential, as about how does it take long for each God's Creation and thus the SIZE of each God's Creation: as how big is Magic Wizzard Ozz kingdom? BEST PERSONAL REGARDS, SHALOM, SAVELLI (Al_ijah)

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:12 am
Subject: IS THERE (PHYSICAL?) SEPARATION in The WORLD of SPIRITS?
I did some comments about Jesus Christ's "teaching, commentary" about the fate of two distinct spirits after death. One went into a BAD SITUATION, as if of SUFFERING, TORMENT condition itself and suffering for other persons, his relatives, that also were supposed to come to such SITUATION, SUFFERING, if nothing was done to "help them". It suggests that persons in WORLD OF SPIRITS are aware of probable fate of those yet living and suffer for their bad choices of free will. If possible, if they had some power, they would "demand, require" that some help comes from the World of Spirits to mortality, to help us. But in fact the "wicked" are like the "least powerful and lowest grade cast" as if in the Indian religious/racial civilization. For sure that creates like an "apartheid" into such society. The lower cast live in an "INVISIBLE PRISON" that makes them "suffer" and have no pride in being human beings. They are like "rotten garbage". Hindus even can live side by side, but the lowest class (cast) people are considered as if "nothing, having no merits" before the highest standing cast, at top of society. Thus are like a "Paria" cursed and wicked cast without right to approach like an ABRAHAM and to "touch him and ask him any favor". As to allow the Lazarus to return with a message of warning to his friends and relatives. If they didn't believe in Moses, should they believe in the poor and sick Lazarus, back in mortality life, claiming them to repent and change? When Jesus Christ came to the WORLD OF SPIRITS (with the good man killed in crox besides him), he came now as ACTIVE POWERFUL God, not yet the JEHOVAH GOD=ONLY COMMANDANT IN CHIEF AND DIRECT of all those grafted into his Tree of Life. But now such Tree of Life was again with its ROOTS back into "soil", generating DIVINE SAP according His Order of Priesthood. Thus He had PRIESTHOOD POWER and provided that for righteous persons go among the wicked, and preach them, the Gospel and learn about the PLAN OF SALVATION. For that was not necessary to break a wall (as in BERLIN, or in border of USA-Mexico, the model of BIG TALL WALL being built in ISRAEL with USA money...). It is like a "superior order" for a high class (cast) of HINDU SOCIETY and RELIGION go and have SOCIAL CONTACT for religious teaching among the lowest class (cast, Paria) of their society, and help them to improve in such "society". Did I say there is a "physical fence" separating the classes=cast in India? A barrier may be "social, racial, political, economic, etc." and not be "visible, tangible" as a "fence or wall, as the one USA is helping ISARAEL build to separate it from Palestine's: the same shaming wall separates USA from Mexico: same "curse" against the "superior cast". Las year my wife and I went to Hong Kong and Malaysia, to have business with Indian (Hindu) highest cast class. I even met one of them relative, Highest Priest of Hinduism in India (visiting Malaysia) and we visited several Hindu Temples, and we learned many things "common people" don't know. As that true Hinduism is the most very monotheistic religion, believing in just ONE GOD (as SUPREME BEING), refusing Statues and Images. Their symbol for One God is just one irregular small stone without "value, or polishing, or beauty": they showed us it in some garden of one Temple, in a place of least value. High Priest told that is the "people" and lower priests who give value to statues and images, demanding plenty of such falsehoods. They have no idea if ONE GOD is human like: thus reason with any stone They believe in re-incarnations, as Budism (my wife accompanied them to a Budist Temple). We visited also the interior of the huge Mosque of Kuala Lumpur (but Hindu priestess stayed out) wearing ceremonial Muslim dressings. They never hear about LDS in Malaysia: maybe in some Old colonial Catholic and Protestant part of Nation... Wife of the important rubber industry owner, who contracted me to help him, had a very long and complex genealogy of previous reIncarnations. You can see that Spiritism (as in so many religions, as from ALLAN KARDEC, originated from them: just Restored to Western standards) and belief of endless reIncarnations of old Hindu. He told many points of 3 main monotheist religions where were adopted Hinduism faith/belieths I am not LDS THEOLOGIAN, but quite critical of some "comments". The same situation we have in ISLAM (MUSLIM) when they give more values to the COMMENTS AND TEACHINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD than to the VERY EXPLICIT God's REVELATION (KORAN BOOK, BIBLE). The same around LDS with people "distorting" clear explicit revelations (as denying that there is just ONE GOD as SUPREME BEING, when there is plenty of distinct God who are very distinct Beings) to adjust to some men's theology they built. Or, as you, are building based on COMMENTS made by somebody who didn't "declare, clearly" it came from God's revelation: men's comments as foundation to men's theology. As Adam's theology. Prophet Mohammed was very clear: when I receive God's revelation, "that" is stated very clearly. Otherwise are only my "personal comments". It's like discussion on Adam if "God": absurd! It is amazing: theologians discard some points of Joseph Smith Jr. as if using the same arguments Muslim discard some points of Muhammad... Are we in the midst of eternity now? ---> SAVELLI: "Y - E - S". WE CAME FROM ETERNITY AND WE GO TO ETERNITY, EVEN PASSING THROUGH "ORGANIZATION" STAGES. WE ARE ETERNAL BEINGS. THE ESSENCE OF EACH LIFE CAN'T BE CREATED AND CAN'T BE DESTROYED. WE ARE ETERNAL. > > Take care! > > that they who would receive it could have it answered by proxy by > those > > who live on the earth, etc. THE BEST PROXY POSSIBLE IS A CLOSE RELATIVE, AS BROTHER, AS THE ONE WHO IN FLESH (MORTALITY) WOULD PROVIDE A DESCENDENCE FROM A DECEASED BROTHER AND HIS ALIVE WIFE... word hell = LIKE SYMBOLISM OF GEENA, an open dump for solid wastes of Jerusalem, in old days, a place to gather poor people with pigs and rats, insects, bad odors, flames, digesting (rotten organic volatile acids) bad smell leachates, release of bad smell biogas, etc. Like a HELL of "torments", as due to bad smells, bad insects, bad rats and snakes to eat them, smoke making eyes create tears, etc. (I have worked with municipal solid wastes since Berkeley, CA, 1978 and along my professional life). Is there a separation of an open dump to "normal society"? > > > > The righteous and the wicked all go to the same world of spirits until the resurrection. THIS IS THE CLEAR JESUS' TEACHING ABOUT LAZARUS. "I do not think so," says one. And they are their own accusers: as the RICH WICKED MEN, in Jesus' teachings. it is written that they shall be > > judged according to the deeds done in the body? (SPIRITUAL BODY and MORTALITY BODY). BUT THE "FINAL JUDGEMENT" IS AT END OF MORTALITY! a bad spirit (NOT FROM A DEAD MORTAL PERSON... ONLY FROM LUCIFER's ANGELS) who was trying to influence a girl who was Near him in a class he was taking. He prayed, and they came and > > > pulled him (LUCIFER'S ANGELS) away from her: ANY WICKED SPIRIT IS LIKE IN "PRISON": CAN't RETURN to harm us. WE HAVE TO FEAR ALIVE BEINGS AND LUCIFER and his ANGELS.THOSE WHO RETURNED WERE BECAUSE OF God's commandments (return to mortal life, as many). SAUL was fooled by Evil while trying to communicate with spirit of a dead prophet, who didn't return to him. SHALOM! SAVELLI (Al_ijah)

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From: elywife@y...
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:15 am
Subject: HOW LONG AGO (MORTALITY TIME) DID ADAM and EVE LIVE?

ADAM: evaluation about being "God" or "god"=Jehovah's servant (prophet) and TIME FOR ADAM It is quite evident that ADAM lived under our time referential (as became a mortal, as everybody and as Jesus Christ), set for MORTALITY (life span for mortal events), and that he was not living under an INFINITE DIVINE "His" TIME SCALE: of those who are living in DIVINITY To understand that it is required to understand the "nature" of referential systems used for "giving value" to specific time scale, as referential time for Angels, as referential time for translated yet mortal persons (as Moses, Elijah, Enoch and his people, etc.), as time referential for those living in mortality, as time referential system for those living as a God in His own Kingdom (bound to a "local" Kolob local referential), etc., and as time referential for the ABSOLUTE AND SUPREME SYSTEM for the ONE GOD = SUPREME BEING bound to a KOLOB SUPREME REFERENTIAL. It is false the idea that the "time" is the same everywhere. For sure people measure distinct "time" according their local "referential for time". We have not just one referential system for whole Earth, as clear with one system of measuring time in ISLAM Nations, other in ISRAEL, other in Russia, other in Western, etc. Even in one large nation, as USA and BRAZIL, we may have several referential based on which is set local time, as if by "convention" inside the nation and from some international agreements. But are of political nature: men. For sure, it is possible to translate one time from ISLAM time scale into ISRAEL time scale and vice-versa. It is like a system of "equations" for TIME CONVERSION. I have been working on such puzzle, related to TIME NATURE AND CONVERSION, since 1981, with some ideas published in March, in Brazil, under the public legal document named FUSÓGINO DE HIDROGËNIO, deposited at Brazilian Patent Office. In fact, it is clear, looking that from Christianity and from Islam, and from other I gathered, that our Jehovah's time scale is just "one" among infinite others from infinity of other "God", each with their Kolob referential (it is like a "transformer" of time and coordinates referential, as if from KOLOB to each Kolob, to know where and when we are at the SUPREME CREATION of SUPREME BEING, the ONLY ONE GOD). From data made available (as if from Koran, D&C, Bible, etc.) I got that we are as if living in an ARITHMETIC TIME SCALE (for MORTALITY TIME) while the DIVINE BEING (Jehovah God) is as if living in a LOGARITMIC (or EXPONENTIAL) TIME SCALE. Thus we got a very simple equation, relating our Jehovah's time scale to our "mortal time scale" (nothing to do with GEOLOGIC and ASTRONOMIC TIME SCALE MEASUREMENT) in which events are measured THROUGH LIVING PERSONS, whose lives are linked as "such" (not as historic/geologic/astronomic events) in Bible and Book of Mormon, etc. We can see that such equation is mentioned in BOOK OF ABRAHAM, but there it is a CORRUPTED EQUATION, a very clear evidence that some of such BOOK suffered CORRUPTION when handled by ignorant EGYPT PRIESTS, that tried to "improve" Abraham's report to "wrong, false" information from their IGNORANCE. Examine this figure about TIME x time in site:http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/graph.jpgAs you can see, clearly there is a LINEAR RELATIONSHIP, using such "scales for presentation" (arithmetic and logarithmic) between TIME and time, given by this EQUATION: (quite like in BOOK OF ABRAHAM) (TIME IN MORTALITY, measured in our years) = 1000 x 10(same time for Jehovah God, in days) But remembers this is a TOTAL VALUE (as if COORDINATES) and when you want to know a DIFERENCE OF DISTANCE you use the DIFERENCE OF TOTAL COORDINATES. For time is the same thing. You introduce a "pair" (TIME x TIME1) in one side and you get a "pair" (time x time1) in the other side. Then you can see our interval TIME - TIME1 is "equivalent" to time - time1 interval of time for God. It is such simple the way to evaluate such "graph of TIME x time". For some referential point, shown in graph, you get 1 God day "INTERVAL" is worth 1,000 mortality years of nowadays. The VALUE of TIME or time change as if through the "Time or time", as if "MONEY" for Present Worth studies. Thus present worth of old time days events have today very little value, and greatest present worth of future time days have greatest value today, thus we are supposed to INVEST or SAVE in (or for) THE FUTURE EVENT DAYS: easy... WHAT is said to be the "GEODESIC LINE" is better explained in so many nice MESSAGES posted in FOTOSSUD Brazilian Yahoo! Groups, in great details ("but in Portuguese": you should learn so nice language and about Brazil as so great national and people: racially well mixed, racism is from USA source). In fact such GEODESIC LINE are infinite supreme maximum curves (geodesic ones, at the plane passing through the center of the SUPREME SPHERE of Creation, of SUPREME BEING) and thus being the ETERNAL SUPREME CIRCLE OF TEMPLE (ABSOLUTE) SYMBOLISM OF "ALPHA" to "OMEGA" pathway in such GEODESIC LINE: when reaches back OMEGA, it is the same of ALPHA, and it means TIME has no symbolic end, but the ABSOLUTE TIME REFERENTIAL is set to provide 0 (ZERO) for other referential (as GMT: Earth time referential): it is as if the CONTINUOUS PRESENT TIME for all events. See FOTOSSUD for more details. This figure is very didactic and simple, just preparing for something more "practical" GRAPH:http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/TIMExTIMEgraph.jpghere it is! Quite like "full of information, isn't it? In the HORIZONTAL AXIS it is placed WHEN ADAM was born, in HEAVENLY TIME (God's) and next to it is displaced the time when EVE was born (organized) also in HEAVENLY TIME. If you go vertically to the LINE of TIME and then moves horizontally to the vertical axis, of our MORTALITY TIME, you can get the worth MORTALITY TIME for us, when ADAM and EVE were organized (they were not yet under mortality time, but knowing about God's time referential, we can compute such God's time in OUR MORTALITY REFERENTIAL). Then, in the left, in BIG LETTERS and with great evidence in drawing, is shown God's SABBAT, and it is easy to compute how long did it last. At end of it, with start of MORTALITY, start the God's relationship of Divine time to our mortality time (1 day = 1000 years). You can see that we are approaxing next God's SABBAT, in the very left (horizontal axis), meaning we are approaching -6 days (time for God moves to NEGATIVE, as FUTURE EVENTS). For some more information, examine the TEXT DISCUSSING ABOUT TIME IN:http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/time.htmBUT BETTER, MORE DIDACTIC and MORE RECENT INFORMATION, is only available through Brazilian Yahoo! Group - fotossud. WARNING: such were preliminary drawings, as it was not taken some rigorous account on how long NOAH remained living as if ELIJAH or MOSES or ENOCH and HIS PEOPLE: he remained to live as MORTAL into the ARCH, but as if translated out of our time scale (as movies: ASTRONAUT who traveled few years inside his star-spacecraft, while million years past in Earth, in same period: got under APES DOMAIN). BEST PERSONAL REGARDS, SHALOM! SAVELLI (Al_ijah)

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From: "elywife" <elywife@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:17 am
Subject: "ULTRA"and"EXACERBATED" is when you give more value than DUE.

I am not USA citizen. In fact I lived in BERKELEY, CA, 1978, studying at the University of California, when I met very learned Wises M.Sc. scientist from IRAN also studying there. Thus I had contact with ISLAM For sure I learned many things about USA and also my wife and I went to SLC to visit Temple Square. We got under great "horror" in see what was so great "racism" for us, great friends of Muslim who are great friends of Negroes: as equally "blessed" human being before ONE GOD, the SUPREME BEING (ALLAH, in Arab language). My wife had take part in some public demonstrations, with Iranian Community, against USA having imposed a false and dictatorship corrupt government in IRAN, to sploit Iran WEALTH: PETROLEUM. Thus she did also a "loudly" protest in Visitors Center, in SLC, pointing out to be unfair the way Negroes were segregated in SLC and in Visitors Center as if that would be "ideal God's religion"? Heaven from Negro? For sure I learned, in practice (with Muslins) many aspects of USA society that usually are impossible to learn in USA Universities, as hystorical aspects as seen from "the other side, from Arab's side, from their civilization, values and cultural value". I could learn something about EXACERBATED PATRIOTISM of some "fouled USA citizens", guided and used for some specific purposes of a very MINOR GROUP OF INTERESTS, acting in USA (and abroad). For sure even people of many religions are "trapped" in such EXACERBATED "ULTRA" PATRIOTISM and NACIONALISMS. I pointed out some of such type of "persons", as the one who were so great enemies of USA (as to run away from USA, to Mexico, as desired by Joseph Smith Jr. and took place with Brigham Young, never an USA Agent, but in fact, against USA domain and organized "guerrila and terroristic like resistence against USA annexation" as if an INDIAN PEOPLE GATHERED IN A TIGHT "RESERVATION" without self-determination and no self-political powers...". From that original anti-USA situation, nowadays the USA-LDS became to the very opposite, becoming ultra-extra exacerbated PATRIOTIC and NATIONALIST,extension of USA? having also ultra-belief in things that are not of Jehovah's religion, as denying The Chruch of Jesus Christ being true, and in fact, being true some other "god Creator = Adam": should they have created and joined The Church of Adam, instead? If the CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST had accepted the NEGROES, maybe it was to create GREAT HARM/DAMAGES/DEATH of LDS members and to the properties and chapels and temples of the CHURCH, due to the action of VERY RACIST ACTIVE GROUPS making riots and destruction against the NEGROES and their "FRIENDS". Thus some "nice" procedure avoided them join (temporarily) to the PRIESTHOOD. Why Negroes, as of Brazil, did not receive Missionary Work, at least BAPTISM? EXACERBATED ULTRA-PRIDE OF WHITES, WHO BECAME "ULTRA-RACIST"? Think on this "parable". JACOB (ISRAEL) was living in family with his 12 sons. Unfortunatelly one of his sons, quite "darker", JOSEPH, told to their brothers one DREAM, in which was clear to conclude JOSEPH (DARK) was to PRESIDE THEM. To make things worst, JOSEPH had another dream (not yet fulfilled...) that reinforced such "conclusion". JOSEPH was out, searching for some fruits (as mandragoras) to his mother. All the other brothers were inside JACOB's HOUSE gathered and discussing. JACOB came closer and heard about their plans in killing JOSEPH. He got very sorrow but was a "practical man". He went to the way JOSEPH was to return and waited for him. As he came, advised if JOSEPH (DARKER) return to FATHER's HOME, probably was to face great suffering and even death with destruction of FATHER'S HOME. That was not good to keep family gathered around the Father. Thus the "Father" asked to JOSEPH for "one painful sacrifice". Stay away from FATHER'S HOME, for a moment, for you be safe, and go live with LABAN and his family, who has good descendant sisters, nice looking, quite dark also. OK? Then here is My BLESSING, for you have good stay there. In due time, when your BROTHER have no more hatred against you (as if from KLU KLUX KLAN), no more "racism", when you are to be received as "equal", than I will just send you a letter: : COME BACK, DEAR JOSEPH! YOU ARE WELCOMED AND DEAR SON". PLEASE, RETURN TO FATHER'S HOME. WITH GREAT LOVE, TO A NEVER CURSED SON, BUT THE MOST BELOVED ONE. Letter of Your father, Jacob,to LABAN. Letter from a Fond FATHER to his DARK SON, JOSEPH, living with uncle LABAN. Dear beloved dark son JOSEPH. With great help of my old friend Marthin Luther King, we convinced your brothers and other sympathic to them, to end such unsane hatred against you. Now things are safe for you and for LORD'S HOUSE. Please, my son, I'm missing you. Bring your wife and children. Hurry on! Please, COME BACK! From your Father! Thus "none curse" was removed by JACOB (ISRAEL). Jesus Christ came to put an end in any remaining curse, during his stay in mortality. For an AMERICAN VIEWPOINT ABOUT EXACERBATED AND ULTRA-PATRIOT, even being used for RELIGIOUS PURPOSES, you may see an USA site/viewpoint:http://www.evolvealready.com/Friday's%20Musings.htm Ultra Nationalism, Ultra Militarism, Ultra Patriotism, Ultra Corporatism…->Where are Negroes in Top Church? all, defining characteristics of Fascism. Look around you. Should we be worried? and waited for JOSPH return The first time the PRESIDENT OF CHURCH was "despised, under-valuated" by the Quorum of APOSTLES, was when came "2 = two candidates" to the position of vaccant Apostle, and a "lotery was made". "If PETER" had acted as "true MOSES and/or as true JESUS CHRIST (greater Moses)", he was to use his IRON ROD in head of 11 APOSTLES and remember them that PETER was in place of JESUS CHRIST. It was His duty to do as prophet SAMUEL, and go "search" the proper prophet and SELECT/ANOING HIM, exactly as Jesus Did: selected each of the 12 Apostles,personally. But PETER PRESIDENT was a "WEAK person", exactly as all prophets after JOSEPH SMITH JR, in relation/actions to the "Quorum of Apostles", who has been "too strong": as an "apostasy". And thus the CHURCH'S MOSES has no power even to himself select the next CHURCH'S PROPHET, as JOSHUA (who followed Moses), or act as JESUS CHRIST who selected the next PRESIDENT PROPHET: PETER. The fact is that 12 Apostles "like" to run as PARLAMENTARISM (as if creating "lotery, through age/death", to select next "President=PRIME MINISTER from a Parlament", when such was not to be so in "normal case" (only in case as Joseph Smith's unexpected death without a surviging "anointed" next President). Impossible if the HEAD PRESIDENT was not made "so weak and dependent" as they made him to be Even Official Declaration 2 was not signed only by him and as his only exclusive responsability, as CHURCH'S PRESIDENT PROPHET, because he was the "only responsible person" for that before God and before the LDS community (compare with #1): now is a Parlamentarism decision and declaration. Thus it is from such "weaknes" that their speculations, as about Adam being "God", becomes "feasible and go on". Because now is much plenty of much more conflicting speeches and articles, for them being written, without even official responsability and revision be given to Moses, for WHOLE CHURCH... Withou "official Press publication" as "True Constitutional Law", to be made FULL available, in all means, for EVERYBODY study, learn and practice. Imagine! BOOK OF LAW is to be "very CONCISE", for everybody "knows" about the LAWS. In one day Israelites "were not to remember in all speeches and directions/commandments the INSPIRED MOSES provided for Israel in one week ago" (and we???). For each time, only the proper commandments/directions and speeches: they are only MOMENTANEOUS SHORT TERM SCRIPTURES. No way for us returning to Moses' Diary, of 39 years before, to "discuss" about the "meaning of some phrase, on Adam, he put in his speech". Such COMMAND was valid for such DAY and situation... Are you "returning"? SHALOM! Al_ijah

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From: "elywife" <elywife@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:07 am
Subject: DiscussADAMasGod x "god"? ISthere plenty "distinct God"?Alma 11:28

See that inhttp://www.oocities.org/asia/elywife/CHRISTMAScommentsNOTforBRAZIL.htmwhere it is clear evidenced that people of JUDAISM who believe in not God's disclosed theories, teachings, speculations and doctrines of KABBALAH (and TALMUDISMs) are in the same situation as those who say are LDS (but are not, are like those of JUDAISM of KABBALAH: a deviation of truth, not based in CLEAR EXPLICIT God's revelation, but in COMMENTS, SHORT TERM SCRIPTURES AND COMMENTS. As if those ENDLESS COMMENTARIES and speeches of Moses to Israel and not backed up in Scripture, as they were only TEMPORARY GUIDANCE, proper for each day of travel (not for "our days of Travel", in year 2,003) and thus are not in BOOK OF SCRIPTURES for everybody follow: remained in some kind of "DIARY", as if the RECORDS of DAY-T0-DAY of any prophet. For sure are not the EXPLICIT GOD REVELATION, that MOSES WAS CLEARLY ORDERED TO MAKE A RECORD and READ FOR PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT, AND give SUPPORT.... If a Prophet say: Good Morning! It is his educated PERSONAL PRIVATE WISH, "not" being GOD'S WORD coming out of his mouth. If he provides the blessing to his son to go war against Iraq, that is his personal inspired blessing, not GOD's revelation approving he go against Iraq or cursing Iraq people ou giving support for Iraq invasion. Thus any his speech on IRAQ INVASION, even in White House, before leaders of 30 other main religions of USA, is only the expression of his "PRIVATE ULTRA-PATRIOTIC FEELINGS" toward such conflict and war against "terrorism". Not a clear GOD'S EXPLICIT REVELATION to support USA to invade all the World and kill MUSLIM and destroy/slave nations and their WEALTH (Petroleum), in name of GOD as Revelation. For sure, even Moses had some "freedom" in relation to what say and act. If his sister told something against his BLACK=NEGROES ETHIOPIAN wife, he got when living in Egypt as of Royal Family member, that was MOSES PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP/LOVE. Thus when saying LOVED HER, was his own words and feelings, not of God or as God mouth. If God didn't like the way Moses'sister made some RACIST comments (as many LDS did, and may yet have "wrong feelings") about the Negroes who was Ethiopian Moses' wife, God demonstrated to her, with a great CURSE, that whe was not cursed: cursed can become whites with very so white body skin but with "gray like body of spirit, stained with sin". For sure, never ADAM "acted, lived" as God in Garden of Eden or outside it: just lived as "god = Jehovah's prophet and servant". If I build one home, it is not to say such home is my "construction". I was only HIRED by a HUGE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, Jehovah Co., and worked as a "servant, employee", even if most of the construction was done by me. But the ENGINEER responsible for such Jehovah Co. can state that HE DID (BUILT) SO BILLIONS HOME (so many type of HOMES) for HIS LORD (the one, as if JEHOVAH of MY JEHOVAH) who ordered Him and gave money, power, employees, matererials, technology, etc. to go on with such CONSTRUCTION, by MY JEHOVAH, the only one commandant in chief of Adam (god=servant) and us (quite like "servants"). Remember what is said: Luke 20: 42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my aLord•, Sit thou on my right hand,... Oh my Son, said His Jehovah=Commandant=LORD=Heavenly Father, to his son who is the Jehovah of My (Heavenly Father's) other SONS who are "grafted in You (our direct Jehovah=Lord=Commandant), in your tree of live, nurtured with your DIVINE SAP from your own ROOTS", what about "REST, HAVE FUN and JOY and GREAT MORTALITY EXPERIENCES, HAVE A WIFE - LOVE HER AND HAVE A SON WITH HER - LEARN IN PRACTICE ABOUT PAIN AND SUFFERING...", WHILE I STAY IN YOUR POSITION, TAKING CARE OF YOUR "JEHOVAH Co.", and after ending your task in mortality, come back and Sit on My (Heavenly's Father) right hand... and examine a "report" on what took place while you were in the MORTALITY PART of your KINGDOM (which is part of MY=HEAVENLY's Kingdom, is in it...)... before you receive BACK YOUR POWERS AS IN DUTY JEHOVAH'S Co. building the Kingdom (as the so many type and size of Homes...) you are to provide Me, to be given to the proper (by merit, as reward) workers=servant of them, in Jehovah's construction. Don't worry, my Son, your Jehovah will provide you, Jehovah presiding directly my sons, with also a good inheritage, and you also will have a good home, in fact an ARIEL with your own "name" (password) on you and the corresponding Kingdom share of My=Heavenly Father kingdom as your private kingdom, for you and your wives be my Priests and ONE GOD's Priests, and King and Queens of such Kingdom. Only after that ADAM and EVE will be able to be "CREATORS of their Sons, in such their own kingdom". Now they became only God, but not yet Provider of Spiritual Lives in their own sons. We are not spiritual sons of Jesus Christ or Adam. But as we are grafted in TREE OF LIFE of Jesus Christ, nurtured by Him, He is like a second "father" for us, providing our grouth,but is not our "spiritual father: His spiritual father and our spiritual father is exactly the same". It is from the Evil the teaching that Adam and Eve are our God, in place of not-mortal Jesus Christ (as if we are grafted in Adam's Tree of Life) or that from He and Eve's body somehow we are "originated", as intermediary womb making sprout, as if rented womb, spiritual sons that are not from them... or other things like that inventions. Adam was made in tangible body only as a "god = prophet = Jehovah's servant". Also Holly Ghost is not between us and our Jehovah direct commandant in chief, only God (Shemah). If we see the "symbolism", it is very clear that HOLLY GHOST is like "another tree of life" who is in the LEFT of Heavenly Father's Tree of Life, thus HOLLY GHOST's DIVINE SAP must first go to HEAVENLY FATHER who send it, for our HEALING (as vaccine, medicines), through the THICK HORIZONTAL BRANCH going to the TREE OF LIFE, our own Jehovah God (direct and only one) symbolism in which we are "grafted". No place for ADAM as God, unless with so great falsehood, as if denying True Gospel and all MAIN Teachings, and getting "attached" to obscure comments, as if from Moses'DIARY, that are not TRUE AND OFFICIAL CLEAR EXPLICIT GOD's REVELATIONS: you are moving into the TALMUDISM, as if returning to JUDAISM and fables that Jesus Christ, the greatest Jehovah's prophet FOR ISRAEL, denounced... Who did authorize you believe in such "teachings, speculations, oral laws, etc."? Who is the TRUE PROPHET responsible for them? When/where?http://www.oocities.org/celysgbr/TREE-LIFE-FATHER-SON.jpgRepresentation of God Father and His 2 Sons: can be understood as being just One (The Father) Who is bigger than any Son. If you raise the Son out of ground, He "L-I-V-E-S" as the "greatest of all branches" (in relation to all other "branches" of Tree of Life), fed with SAP (Father´s Priesthood POWERS) and in fact now is an INNACTIVE TREE OF LIFE (is an "ALIVE TREE") and as soon the GARDNER=ONE GOOD (SUPREME BEING, even is not a TREE... can WALK...) move the SON back to SOIL (removes He from mortality), instantly His own ROOTS are back in soil and generating HIS OWN DIVINE POWERS (Self order of Sap).http://www.oocities.org/celsoely/8tree_kabbala.htmThis is a nice explanation about the SUPREM TREE OF LIFE (symbolism of ONE GOD,SUPREME BEING) as composed of infinite Trees of Life (symbolism of each God), as presented in a site for Kabbalah. They are also slow to reason about some evident things). ALL TREES OF LIFE are living in the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE, WHO (symbolism of ONLY ONE GOD = ALLAH = SUPREME DIVINITY SOURCE = SUPREME BEING =Just "ONE" BEING) is living in Them (the ones who are God): They are just "ONE", as if the "ONE GOD". There is no "true God" out of the "ONE GOD", and you can see that "all of Them, those who are God", are distinct "Beings, as if Tree of Life: some older, some taller, some with more fruits..." and thus, such Being"S" are not the "Supreme BeinG" (Alma 11:22-31): 11: "..deny the existence of a SUPREME BEING" (never was denyed!) "Is there more than "one God" ("ONE GOD")? No! Remember that "all who are God" compose just "One God" who is in "ONE GOD": see my sites on that and in Brazilian Group Yahoo! "Fotossud". It is easy to understand why God, the Father + God, the Son + God, the Holly Ghost, are just "One God" (the Father,as others originated from the Him, or never could have become their spiritual sons, and even the first-born spiritual son if had never "started as Son=born". In fact was "organized" as Spiritual Son, as in the Womb of a Woman is "organized" a son out of union of two seed of live"... In our case we are "organized" as Spiritual sons from the Seeds of eternal Life in our Heavenly Fathers, who are the "providers" of the "Essence of Life", which is allways in SUPREME BEING, the ONLY ONE GOD. Remember in a corn seed, the "essence of life" is in a very limited part (one cell, essential for sprouting: as if the "essence", which in fact remains in the DNA information, which can be stored as "information" in DIVINE LIFE. We were never "created": allways "existed" as if living for all eternal eternities as/in "Essence of Life" in ONE GOD, but not being such "ONE GOD=SUPREME BEING". We have no start and we have no end, thinking in us as "living being". See better explanations in sites e Groups Yahoo. SHALOM! Best regards, SAVELLI (Al_ijah)

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:30 pm
Subject: Wrong idea "TRUE GOD´s DOCTRINE" x Men´s speeches x writtings

It is WRONG the common idea that "all words that come out of mouth of handwritten" by a true God´s Prophet is true GOD´s DOCTRINE, for long range and WHOLE CHRUCH. It that was true, Moses had written greatly more pages than what we have available. The same with other Prophets, including Jesus Christ, which accounts on his life and speeches are very limited or even absent in parts of his life. For sure not all that Prophets say or write are "really important", mainly in the long range days and for broad civilizations/culture/political doctrines,etc Many speeches are very limited to some "particular situation being faced by some saints, in a given period", as facing great drought and receiving promises. For sure such promises were targeted as "local": for those suffering the droughts. It is possible that some words could be found usefull for whole Church, but that was not the purpose of such GUIDANCE: IT WAS LOCAL. For sure guidances about WARS and some political and/or racial and/or cultural and/or commercial/etc. aspects are to change with time: they are quite specific for such day. And maybe guided targeted only for "some of the LDS" facing troubles. For sure there are SHORT RANGE SCRIPTURES, that are as "momentary guidance", as if from one page of "diary" of Moses, with comments on how could travel today, to what direction, for what purpose, etc. For sure that was a SHORT GRANGE SCRIPTURE, and we are not to search for DIVINE DOCTRINAL REVELATIONS in them, as if almost 99.999% of such type of SHORT RANGE SCRIPTURES. Mahomet (Muhammad) prophet was very clear in explaining that the PERSONAL REVELATIONS HE RECEIVED FROM GOD on how to guide the MUSLIMS (some of them recorded in Book of Prophet Muhammad) were not LONG RANGE SCRIPTURES, but valuable for those specific days of his existance. He prohibited using such nice information for RELIGIOUS PURPOSE, as to obtain SCRIPTURES. Thus we can see why one "diary" of Moses (and other prophets, including by Jesus Christ) was NEVER FOUND or USED or ADDED TO BIBLE. It is the same "silly thing" as added so many thousands of PERSONAL DISCOURSES and WRITTINGS of PRESIDENT PROFETS (and even other minor authorities) as being SACRED LONG RANGE SCRIPTURES: those that are added and coded as TRUE SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE, GOD´s REVELATION, not God´s Inspired Speeches. It is useless search such "discourses" for GOD´s REVELATIONS For sure some "truth" are in the Discourses, and even close to full truth. But true DOCTRINE, LONG RANGE GOD´S REVELATION, for "WHOLE CHURCH", comes as to the prophet Muhammad (Maohmet): very "clearly as a MESSAGE", a REVELATION for WHOLE CHURCH. Such REVELATION needs to receive SUPPORT from the HEAD AUTHORITIES of the CHURCH, declaring that obtained Holly Spirit God´s PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL REVELATION that the HEAD PROPHET (Moses´of Church and Lord) in fact remains as true and supported God´s Prophet for Whole Church. Only that, because if he told receive a TRUE EXPLICIT CLEAR GOD REVELATION, and God gave testimony he continue to be a righteous God´s Prophet, is because the REVELATION IS TRULLY FROM GOD. They can do nothing, even "DISCUSS" or "help to write/revise the REVELATION": Moses "worked alone". The only thing they can do is some "DECLARATION", not part of REVELATION, but as "ENCLOSED DOCUMENT",that God revealed them that the Head Prophet is a righteous God´s prophet and thus they support the PROPHET (never the "REVELATION": that is God´s DUTY I Sam.3:19). It is evident that any Head Prophet, and other minor prophets, can do wrong and speak/write somethings "wrong". If they "repent" (as God wanted from Eli, and his sons), God is ready to forgive the mistakes. Notice the case of Moses. He was facing a very rebelled Israel, as if a wild cattle, willing to have "water". God told (GAVE REVELATION, EXPLICIT) to MOSES on how to do. At the very moment to do that, Moses was "angry" with rebelled people, and didn´t TALK THE WORDS OF LORD and DID BEHAVE AS SET BY GOD, and hit the stone. It was the SHORT TERM SCRIPTURE. It was "wrong". Even in that circunstance, God honored his prophet, and water came out of stone: a clear miracle... But, in proper place and time, God returned to Moses, not more in wrath condition, and they "talked as friends". Moses had to conclude he had done wrongly, not honoring first of all The Only God Jehovah as only Commandant of Israel, as providing the myracle before people. For sure Moses recorded such "ashaming event" (could omit it, as so many of Day-to-Day "diary", never published), for people learn that any prophet is able to make MISTAKES, even when talking as if GOD´s REVELATION (ORDER). Thus, all TEACHINGS that are not "supported" in the proper way, as suggested above, are one SHORT RANGE SCRIPTURES, without DEFINITIVE VALUE, in long range, for the WHOLE CHURCH. They are like some comments and ideas and reasonings of Moses written in his DIARY. BUT when GOD gave revelation, explicit and strong/specific one, WRITE THIS THING, than the "obligation" of a HEAD MOSES PROPHET is to write the words with great care, as ask to Head Church Authorities to provide him "recognition" if is a TRUE RIGHTEOUS GOD´s Prophet, as Holly Ghost God´s witness to each of them. If they get such support, the LAW or REVELATION becomes "TRUE VALUE SCRIPTURE", as is clear in OFICIAL DECLARATION 1 (#2 mixed the HEAD with Aaron with Ancient authorities as if one "Parlament" signing a propostion). The HEAD PRESIDENT, and HEAD MOSES, as true MOSES, is so powerful that at any moment, through GOD´S REVELATION, can travel and select, anywhere, the new CHURCH´s PRESIDENT and "anoint", as did SAMUEL and Moses. After annoiting just gather the Heads of Church and ask them see if they can testify HEAD PROPHET remains a true righteous prophet. If so, the ANOINTING is correct. If not, President was fooled: repent! For sure, if Prophet is ommissis, and die without "anoint" the next Prophet, following some "tradition without value: was good for just one specific troublesome situation, with Brigham Young; no clear GOD´s TRUE EXPLICIT REVELATION ON THAT...), than it is required that the Quorum of Apostles select the next PRESIDENT OF CHURCH, acting as if a PARLAMENT, and thus SELECTING THE CRITERIA; in Acts they did the selection based on some kind of "luck" procedure...). Thus, you are "WASTING YOUR TIME" making search to so endless speeches of so many Church PRESIDENTS, on so many aspects. If they were true LONG RANGE SCRIPTURES, then it would be IMPOSSIBLE FOR US to LEARN so much INFORMATION and use them (they are full of conflicts: as related to distinct time, proplems, populations, civilizations,etc) and people of JUDAISM RELIGION (as TALMUD, MISHNA, GUEMARA, etc.) should L-A-U-G-H of US, having so plenty of "endless Scripural Soruces": in fact such mistake is going on, as you are doing such searches to the "detail" to get informations that are "personal comments" and not DISTICT TRUE EXPLICIT DIVINE REVELATION, maybe more "Divine Inspiration" for such SITUATION. W-A-S-T-I-N-G Y-O-U-R T-I-M-E A-N-D O-U-R-S A-L-S-0: OF THIS GROUP.

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:42 pm
Subject: SEPARATION IN WORLD OF SPIRITS

Jesus Chrsit himself taught clearly that RIGHTEOUS SPIRITS do not remaing gathered together with Evil Wicked Spirits, and comparing the situation of two such persons who died. They were in separated parts of such "World of Spirits". For sure the bad person could not go to the bosom of Abraham, and stay together with the Righteous one and Abraham. Some kind of "obstacle" or "separation" was very clearly preventing such joining. Even the Righteous was having peace of mind and good companion, while the Wicked was very worried about his own situation and worried about that his parents were also to end up in so terrible "prison" place, situation, suffering. But he was powerless and could do nothing to benefit his alive family members. If they didn´t trust and follow teachings of great prophets, as Moses and Jesus Christ, how could them believe, follow, trust, the teachings of a resurrected man who was sick and poor and valueless? SHALOM! (SAVELLI = Al_ijah) > --- InAdam-God@yahoogroups.com, Steve Graham <js.graham@c...> wrote: > > Seems to me that the Savior taught that the wicked could not come > to > > where the righteous were, i.e. Abraham and the rich man. > > > > > > Steve Graham

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:29 pm
Subject: Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTMAS GIFT= Shemah???

Interesting also (in what aspect?). Wrong (where, in what aspect?), but interesting (is it something new? Not in Adam-God Group...). Nice to see a breath of "fresh air" here though: should we examine it in greater depth? What about place Adam in "proper place"? Honor him? (also with Eve?). Should they be some kind of Elohim God, male and female, creating "us" (who? Adam and Eve?), their spiritual sons to become "mortality sons" facing mortal/temporal life? The primary statement of the Jewish faith: "Shemah Yisrael, Adonai eloheinu, Adonai echad — Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.". It is like being son of the Highest Top Commandant in Chief of whole Armies of one Nation (Kingom) and also King of such Nation. It is not from such TITTLE and POWER that a "son is generated", even the first begotten one, but from the "man" (even the Holly Man, the Man of such Hollyness and Powers) is that the "son" is generated, as if from one of His Seeds. In fact, in my farm (quite big) cows become pregnant of bulls they never heard about, living in Canada... With proper FULL INFORMATION, as if placed wrapped in DIVINE LIGHT, all information of a a "body seed" of one Holly Person can be "moved" to a very far away place, and penetrate (as if "radiation, light, electromagnetic information") inside the womb of a virgin woman and there a God Creator (as Holly Ghost, or any God) can "arrange back, organize all Divine FULL INFORMATION back, using virgin´s atoms and materials, to generate back the "body seed" and fertilize the virgin woman, to become "naturally pregnant" and have a boy baby...). For sure what she is supposed to see is some intense light around her, as if attenuated by a veil or cloth of Holly Ghost transporting it... thus she saw even something like the "shadow" of full light glory. It is not long and probably I will use no more "semen in liquid nitrogen" for inseminating my cows, but only receiving (as LASER LIGHT through Optical CABLES) INFORMATIONS AS "LIGHT", and some laboratory decoding it into spermatozoid cells or even embryos, "assembled by scientists". This is reasonably to state that because it is CHRISTMAS. Above message I presented in Christmas of 2000, to LDS and other religions. You have a wrong idea about SHEMAH. That is a very clear MONOTHEIST STATEMENT of our God COMMANDANT IN CHIEF and DIRECT of us, we call as our Jehovah. All spiritual sons of Heavenly Father passing through the mortality, are guided by their only Jehovah, only God Commandant in Chief and direct. There is NONE OTHER God between "us" and our "Jehovah", for such "COMMAND". He is very clear. None "true" other God is possible to exist between "us" and Jehovah, as could be the case of "Adam (and Eve)" if God. In such case, when Jesus could come into mortality such ACTIVE AND MIGHTIER POWERFULL JEHOVAH God direct and only one for each of us should be the next in ranking, as ADAM God. But there was not such "God", but only a "god"=Jehovah´s prophet=servant, not able to work as "God" in such Mighty COMMANDANT POSITION as our Jehovah. Thus, someone in "back" of our Jeohvah, His Heavenly Father (and thus his only one and direct Jehovah=Commandant God) could accept such position, working (temporarilly) as our "direct and only one God Commandant Jehovah". Thus the MIGHTIEST COMMANDANT IN CHIEF of us remained the same (in POSITION, TITTLE, POWER) and "none God" was put "between" our INNACTIVATED MORTAL JEHOVAH and "us": in fact was put "outside", behind our Innactivated MOrtal Jehovah, who had as Jehovah GOD COMMANDANT in Chief the same Jehovah God as us: Heavenly Father. Thus Jehovah's Temples became Heavenly Father´s Temples also... (as he was temporarily working as our only one and direct JEHOVAH God Commandant in Chief and Direct). Thus we had to pray and worship to such our (temporarily Heavenly Father) Jehovah God MIGHTIEST COMMANDANT IN CHIEF DIRECT OF US. The confusion is very clear about writting God and god and GOD (ONE GOD)=SUPREME BEING, as clearly distorted in many places of Scriptures and even in Book of Mormon and Doctrine of Covenant. In many sites I explain how and why (what circunstances) Jesus Crist can be considered as the ONLY (ONE) GOD = SUPREME BEING, or God or "god". It appears great confusion is made about "that": absurd conclusions... It appears the confusions about ADAM (Eve?) being considered "God" is just related to such "confusion, mis-understanding". Thus it becomes impossible to conciliate with other monotheism: ISLAM and JUDAISM. For sure, Jesus was "living" as the "greatest of all god = prophet = Jehovah´s special humble powerless "servant"=Isaiah 53) among all of the "other gods = prophets = Jehovah´s servants, including Adam and Joseph Smith). Jesus was not meaning to say that he, living as the MIGHTIEST GOD JEHOVAH IN MORTAL FLESH, was greater than any other who are God in all Creations: being greater than Heavenly Father/Elohim? being greater than Heavenly father´s of Heavenly Father:speech of king Follet funeral? being greater than the ONE (ONLY) GOD = the SUPREME BEING (in "singular", not plural being)? (absurd!! Jesus and all who are God originated from such "SUPREME and PRIMORDIAL ONE GOD and BEING": "N-E-V-E-R denyed in ALMA 11:22(read it!)-31. D&C 19:18-> 16 For behold, I, God , have asuffered• these things for all, that they might not bsuffer if they would crepent; 17 But if they would not repent they must asuffer• even as I; 18 Which asuffering caused "MYSELF, EVEN God, THE GREATEST OF ALL", , to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might bnot• drink the bitter cup, and shrink— IT IS CLEARLY TALKING AS "god" living in mortality. Notice that there is not more than ONE of such SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD, who is in all who are God and made Them "God" (through becoming Priests and Priestess), as "ONE", and Them being into ONE GOD as "ONE", as if just one INTEGRAL and UNITED "HUGE SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE". Just one DIVINE SAP (from PRIMORDIAL SUPREME BEING=ONE GOD=Supreme Tree of Life=symbol of Supreme Divinity and Priesthood) "flows" through all Trees of Life who are symbol of God, and in one such Tree we are grafted.. Thus, let´s stop with nonsense of teaching ADAM as having lived as "Powerful God, as if Creating something". Let´s consider more properly and honestly/honorably as being the very great "god = Jehovah´s servant, helping our Jehovah in his Creation tasks", as if the MAIN CONSTRUCTOR/ENGINEER receiving the help of a great arquict and designer and coordinator of several ascpects of some huge construction going on, as contracted by Heavenly Father to the Construction Company Headed by our Jehovah. If he needs to go to France for a special medical treatment, while our Jehovah is absent, the older and retired Engineer, his father, acts as Jehovah interim (temporary), Heading the Company, while the son is in great suffering in an excellent Hospital in France, so weak that has even no "order or power" to request nurse to alleviate his pain or stopping some painly disgusting procedure. For sure son could speak with father using phone cell and Internet, letter, etc. And even face-to-face communication using TV and/or Internet cameras. Returning from France, for sure a great celebration is to be held, while the JEHOVAH POWERS are TRANSFERRED BACK to Him as MAIN CONSTRUCTOR/ENGINEER and HEAD OF JEHOVAH Army and Company, with Father returning to be in "back position, as if retired" SHALOM! SAVELLI ("Al_ijah" in Arab: I followed Islam/Muslim religion in past).

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From: "SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)" <celsoely@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:27 pm
Subject: Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTHMAS GIFT for this SITE

It appears a word change of meaning depending upon how it is written, even if the pronounce is the same. Just one word may have two distinct meanings, and correct understanding comes from whole phrase sentence. I guess the great mistake about Adam being "God", with capital (Big) letter G is related to a wrong meaning given to such capital (Big) letter, when in fact the proper word is "god", with the "minor letter g", instead. That is possible to see in Scriptures, as the clear separation of "God" and "god". For sure Jesus Christ only "L_I_V_E_D" as a "god", the "god" who is the "greatest of all gods", meaning Jesus lived as the "greatest God´s prophet = Jehovah´s prophet" of all the others "gods = God´s prophets, as Moses, Adam, Noah, John Baptist, Jethro, Esaiah, Isaiah, etcv.". Thus Jesus Christ didn't "L-I-V-E = A_C_T_E_D" in mortality as the self MIGHTY POWERFULL GOD JEHOVAH (hidden into corruptible mortality flesh), but only as a HUMBLE SERVANT of JEHOVAH´s GOD (in Heaven), thus SHEMAH remained true and Moses´s LAW FULFILLED. Jesus Christ never teach or told people to PRAY and WORSHIP to him (some did because of their ignorance and or under impact of a great myracle, provided through Jesus Christ=Jehovah´s prophet as Moses), but instead told people to worship to the ONLY GOD OF ISRAEL (POWERFULL JEHOVAH God who was taught to be IN HEAVEN, not as a mortal humble person), and also told such people to Worship to such JEHOVAH, giving the correct example. It is very clear that Jesus Christ never declared the Temple as being "Jesus´ own House" (a house of a mortal simple prophet????), otherwise had been "stoned immediately", declaring himself be MIGHTY JEHOVAH God. In fact declared when their eyes be oben, ending apostasy, they could understand that such Temple, at that moment was the Temple of Jesus´s father God, the God Jehovah in Heaven, the Heavenly Father. Temples are made to Jehovah (as clear in Tabernacle, with 2 Arch-Angels, Supreme Angels, Heavenly Father and Heavenly His Mother, over a "box" as if "cradle"), as if His "home" or "top general headquarters" ... No Army remains without a TOP COMMANDANT, the JEHOVAH only Commandant of Heavely Army. When a TOP COMMANDANT go to a FOREIGN NATION (mainly if possibly hostile), another commandant remain in DUTY, as FULL AND ACTIVE COMMANDANT (or PRESIDENT in duty, etc.) and all power is placed on such position. The other, travelling maybe for a Heart Health Surgery Treatment, travels with the TITTLE (as President, Emperor, King, Prime-Minister, Admiral, etc.), but in fact is POWERLESS, as Chile General Pinochet demonstrated arrested and humilliated in England. Thus, if the ship with such "TITTLE COMMANDANT" sank and he alone reached shore of another nation, may had to work as "common man, even as carpenter and breaking stones, and suffer", before is RESCUED BY FORCE. Even having such TITTLE OF POWER and/or KING, is totally powerless among people not knowing about him and his Kingdom. For sure any Prophet Jesus asked help, in silence or lowdly, Divine´s Power from the ACTIVE COMMANDANT, JEHOVAH in CHARGE OF ARMIES, as Jesus did to JEHOVAH, who exalted him more than other prophets, providing greater myracles and prodiges than to other prophets. Jesus Christ lived as a "simple, self-poweless, mortal man", as MOSES or ADAM. It is clear that Jehovah is not "greater" than God Elohim (Heavenly Father God is "One" with such God). Heavenly Father had another Heavenly Father, His God Father, when lived as a mortal (Joseph Smith´s last big/main speech: in funeral of King Follet), thus there is a MIGHTIER God than our Heavenly Father, and that continues up to the SUPREME GOD, just ONLY ONE GOD, the SUPREME BEING (alone), WHO is greater than "all who are God": they are only "Servants" of ONE GOD, but they are in ONE GOD and ONE GOD is in Them: they are just "ONE" and all who are God are just "One", One God. It is very "absurd the idea of Adam" have come to Earth as "MIGHTY God" ("Eve also being Mighty God"? Both being Elohim God?). Absurd. For sure, Adam "now" is a "God": after his mortality probation... that that means Adam is (remains) just only a "Servant" of His Only One and ACTIVE COMMANDANT, JEHOVAH in Charge of this Kingdom and Army and thus just progressed from being "god = Jehovah's Prophet" to being "God" (a Servant, with big "S", of same Jehovah's God his direct and only one Commandant in Chief). Nothing changed. For sure, the great and noble spirits, as if sub-commandants (as "generals", "lieu-tenants", etc.) of ACTIVE COMMANDANT, JEHOVAH=God's only commandant and in charge of them) in the war Battle into our first Heaven (into "Ariel", as if the Rock of Sky, where is sited Heavenly "JERUSALEM", where we all were born as "spiritual sons" of Heavenly Fathers) continued to "help", yet acting as "god" (servants, prophets), helping our Jehovah in his tasks of "Creation". For sure, Adam was put in charge as top sub-commandant of such Army of "Constructors". All was studied and planned/designed/tested before real construction. It is amazing that so many intelligent persons are engaged in making Adam become a "God", as Creator of Earth and Eden and Garden of Eden (they are sited in Middle East, and Jerusalem is "main spot" of the main Garden of Eden; other Island of Sea, as whole America Continent are also "Garden of Eden": land promised to "restored" Israel live in)http://www.syg.com.br/archeology/eden_israel.htm(a double hand made site, by Orthodox Jew writer and by a CHRISTIAN-mormon faith person). For sure Adam is "God" nowadays and was "god", a very great "god" in pre-existence. Should Adam had been greater, as "god" (in pre- eixtence) than prophet John Baptist or Joseph Smith? It is easy to understand how why a woman has no self-priesthood, as the men: she has no "roots", as if in the "tree of divine life" symbolism for married man with woman(women) as being just "one": her (them) priesthood comes from the HUSBAND, as they are as if GRAFTED into just ONE MAN (imagine grafting one branch in many trees, or to many husbands...). Plenty literature on that. The problem of women is that they have no self ROOTS to generate their self-order of SAP... Notice in tree of ELOHIM that only the lower part (male) communicates with other tree of life (male or in lower part = male), as if to transfer SAP=PRIESTHOOD, light, power=think in transmission lines,etchttp://www.oocities.org/celysgbr/TREE-LIFE-FATHER-SON.jpgRepresentation of God Father and His 2 Sons: can be understood as being just One (The Father) Who is bigger than any Son. If you raise the Son out of ground, He "L-I-V-E-S" as the "greatest of all branches" (in relation to all other "branches" of Tree of Life), fed with SAP (Father´s Priesthood POWERS) and in fact now is an INNACTIVE TREE OF LIFE (is an "ALIVE TREE") and as soon the GARDNER=ONE GOOD (SUPREME BEING, even is not a TREE... can WALK...) move the SON back to SOIL (removes He from mortality), instantly His own ROOTS are back in soil and generating HIS OWN DIVINE POWERS (Self order of Sap).http://celsosavelli.vilabol.uol.com.br/98elohim.htmThis is the representation of our ELOHIM God. Only the lower (male) part is the representation of HEAVENLY FATHER: see connection to the Son (in fact to all Sons) and connection to Elohim´s Elohim (goes up to the ONLY ONE GOD = SUPREME BEING). Notice that only HEAVENLY FATHER has ROOTS and generate Raw Divine Sap to his 6 wifes (7 is the sacred number, as Father and 6 Wifes bear "sacred life=light" in Menorah Candlestick) and to all his Sons and sons and to any other Tree of Life needing His help from priesthood: all work to generate POWER as JUST ONE ILIMITED MIGHTIEST POWER (available to use anywhere, instantly). Thus, contrarily to what you say, King and Queens of a Tree (of their Kingdom), are just "ONE TREE", SO WELL UNITED=WELDED as if GRAFTED, and both are Priest and PRIESTESS of their Heavenly God and of their all Ancester God... up to being such Priest and Priestess of ONE GOD. Elaborated Sap, as if produced by us and all who are God, is collected through the God into which we are "grafted" as little branches (as our Jehovah, as our only one God) and such God moves to his God Father, and him to his God Father, up to reach SUPREME BEING, the ONLY ONE GOD. For sure such God receives reward for that and for each progess toward having more and more "Tree of Life" (new Elohim). It is amazing people didn´t understand God Jehovah when he did that there is NONE OTHER GOD ("true one") between He and us, as our direct and only one commandant in chief of His Army and Kingdom. That is the declaration named SHEMAH by the Judaism Religion. If Adam was such other God (with big G), then Moses´ Scripture is wrong in many points. It is so true that we had no other God, between our Jehovah God and us, that when our Jehovah decideded to come to mortality, and he needed to TRANSFER THE COMMAND, THE EXECUTIVE POWER OF ARMY+KING, to another substitute, there was none "VICE", none other "God" able to work as God Commandment Jehovah, as "Adam". Thus a SUPERIOR COMMANDANT, His Father, Heavenly Father (of Elohim), came into action and "acted" ALSO as our God Jehovah, taking care of us and of Jesus Christ and whole Creation. Thus you can see the direct contact of Father = Jehovah in Heaven with Jesus, helping and guiding/protecting him. When Jesus returned to spiritual life, became again POWERFUL God, but "not yet the MIGHTY COMMANDANT IN CHIEF as our God Jehovah".That is very clear when ressurrected and advised MARY MAGDALENE (they had some "love affair, not married, romance") to not "touch/grab him", as if to "stain him") as he was raising to His and theirs JEHOVAH COMMANDANT "in Heaven" = Heavenly Father, to have back ALL HIS EXECUTIVE POWERS as our ACTIVE JEHOVAH God. In Army we do the same. You can see that "none Adam God" protected Jesus or provided powers for Jesus ressurrect and didn't restore him as our Jehovah. In my opinion, it is Doctrine of Evil Spirits, for you "get fooled/fooling"http://www.oocities.org/celsoely/8tree_kabbala.htmThis is a nice explanation about the SUPREM TREE OF LIFE (symbolism of ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING) as composed of infinite Trees of Life (symbolism of each God), as presented in a site for Kabbalah. They are also slow to reason about some evident things).http://www.oocities.org/elywife/FIM_ANO.htmSo many informations are in this site (in PORTUGUESE... sorry! I have a translation of it I provided for some persons of Kabbalah: not no explendid translation) as related to Adam, Mortality, and TIME x Time x time (SUPREME TIME is related to KOLOB, other to Kolob and there is an equation and site to convert Divine time, of Kolob, into our "mortality time") and a new and very broad "Kabbalah", as to use for LDS reasonings theology.http://www.oocities.org/elywife/FOTOSSUD_SAVELLI_TEXTOS1.zipThis is a good portion of my many Messages I posted in brazilian LDS=SUD site named "fotossud". In some you get much better details on subjects. BEST WISHES. GOOD CHRISTHMAS AND EXPLENDID NEW YEAR. SHALOM! SAVELLI (Al_ijah in past I was Muslim). P.S.http://www.oocities.org/nairsgbr/sabella_sabelli_menorah.htmI am from this very old "people" and "language", SABELLI, who settled Rome and came run away from GREECE, probablye where fishermen of it.http://celsosavelli.vilabol.uol.com.br/98sabella_chanukiah.htmWe are a very large and spread family over World. Many words that are in Book of Mormon are also in SABELLI language (prior do Latin), and living in old days, as of Christ, in Rome and Italy. As Moroni, Mormon, etc. Probably the ROMAN CENTURION (Capernaum Luke 7:1-9 and provided a myracle, easily and praising Roman FAITH, refused to provide myracle to a not from House of Israel; 23:47 Cunturion was a RIGHTEOUS; "angel" helping a PAGAN Roman Faith? Devout. Acts 10:1-17 (for sure people of SLC would have "doubt" is such things repeat...) CORNELIUS = CORN ELI = MY GOD is "BREAD (OF heaven, of Life)".http://www.oocities.org/nairsgbr/menorah_david_shield.jpgSACRED MENORAH and DAVID´s STAR SHIELD are the same thing, as seen from two distinct viewpoints. Same "meaning": in OLD and NEW days. DAVID STAR is on top of a TREE OF LIVE WITH 7 FLAMES (living menorah):http://www.oocities.org/o_savelli/MAGENonTOPfiresMENORAHtree.jpgTHIS IS THE PARANA PINE TREE (symbol of Parana State) as seen in a symbolic viewpoint as a LIVING MENORAH (quite as it was used by Jew community to celebrate 100 years of Judaism in Parana State, Brazil). It suggests that the DAVID STAR SHIELD is missing one star, at the center. As if representation of God Jehovah missing in Judaism life, as if not "centered" in Him? As if adopting/following Wise Men´s reasonings? As addopting what were to be only as "commentaries of Law" (as Adam´s SPECULATIONS) as if becoming a "new Law", and force of Law to enforce "traditions, mistakes" as if the "Law itself"? For sure, without "clear explicit revelations", no teaching for whole CHURCH. Only Wise´s "speculations, theology", traditions of Doctors of Law, Phariseus and Rabines, even of LDS of Modern Days. etc.

	Replies	Name/Email	Yahoo! ID	Date
5862	Re: Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTHMAS GIFT for this SITE	Robert R. Black		Sat 12/13/2003
5867	Adam: "GOD", "God" or "god"? Awful CHRISTMAS GIFT= Shemah???	SAVELLI = SAB ELI = YHV (MY G-D)	celsoely	Sun 12/14/2003