Please feel free to post this if you like, I would love to hear what your viewers have to say about it.

To the writers of the SNIPE who stick up for dbu's chapel... buy a reality... Since DBU doesn't listen to who WE want to have as a speaker in chapel and only brings in those that suit their political agenda it is absolutely their fault that chapel is a time of naps and homework.

I once sat through a DBU chapel in which the speaker talked to us about going through a mid-life crisis and the ministry he ran to help cope with that. Had I been 50 years old I might have actually found this service appealing, but seeing that I wasn't even HALF WAY to 50, I found it a great time to catch up on the John MacArthur book I was currently reading. Granted students should show more respect, but before they can, I implore you... doesn't there have to be something there to respect? The very administrators of DBU themselves don't hold themselves to the standards by which we the student are forced to uphold. In some aspects reminding me of the Pharisees...

I by no means want to clear the students of their guilt and responsibility for the process, I would however suggest that the solution to the problem begins not with the students, but with the administration. Perhaps we should all follow the example of some of the only people on campus who DO set a good example and live by it. The faculty.

God Bless DBU.
Anti~Sniper

Mark Boone replies to Anti-Sniper
Florence Nightingale replies to Anti-Sniper
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The previous Head Snipe comments on the concept of a vocal anti-Snipe


Faculty Gets it Right

It was predetermined that I, Markie, would come out of retirement for this critique of the chap (or is he a chick) who critiqued the people who critiqued chapel . . .

FIRST, and most important,
"Perhaps we should all follow the example of some of the only people on campus who DO set a good example and live by it. The faculty."

THE PROFESSORS GET IT RIGHT. Are they at odds with the administration? Based on my analysis of the anti-university, most of the professors are at odds with, perhaps, half of the administration, and the other half is fighting alongside them for the cause of academic excellence. But let me tell you a story, told originally to me by one of the very best of our excellent DBU faculty . . .

Once upon a time, a group of intellectuals got together and said, "Hey, let's start a place where we can hang out and study and think and have debates and teach students wonderful things like philosophy, theology, and science!" Thus the university was born, and, ah, it was a grand day. Later the intellectuals hired some clerks to help them with their business matters; the clerks took care of administering the place while the intellectuals devoted their time to professorship.

Then, one day the clerks took over the university and began to control the professors. That, my young Snipes, is where that great invention, the university, stands today.

SECOND . . .
"buy a reality... Since DBU doesn't listen to who WE want to have as a speaker in chapel and only brings in those that suit their political agenda it is absolutely their fault that chapel is a time of naps and homework."

--So, so much to say. It's ironic, eh? The DBU Snipe site is accused of being too soft on the administration. Am I included in that? Everything's changed; mayber we'll get some rumors that I don't like the Writing Center (ours is the best overall Turabian resource on the internet, I've looked [Duke, Bucknell, Temple, they all have errors and don't cover Turabian author-date style]). Who do we want, though? I don't know, a lot of the students want entertainment (wimps). Those of us who care probably want professors. (For that matter, the utter disaster that is freshman chapel has an obvious solution: senior Biblical Studies majors should speak in freshman chapel, maybe, just to make sure it's ok . . . males, with 3.5-plus GPA, recommended by full-time religion faculty, and with adminstration-approved messages.)

VERY IMPORTANTLY, note that chapel is very much marked by DBU towing the BGCT-moderate party line. Spring '04, as I recall, we had four or five SBTC and SBC speakers like Paige Patterson and the president of Criswell College. This semester, I don't think we've had so much as Mac Brunson of FBC Dallas. However, we have had five or six women speaking in chapel. I just wrote Dr. Bell forty pages on I Tim. 2; women speaking in chapel is all well and good for inerrantists like myself, if we think Paul's injunction can be illuminated by Aquilla-Priscilla-Apollos in the books of Acts, if we think that the injunction against women teaching and having authority over men does not apply to mature women whose authority over younger Christians is shared with a husband who is also a minister.

However, coming from DBU's BGCT context, it's not at all well and good. As I recall, female pastors was the issue that convinced some inerrantists to start up the SBTC. I could theoretically dig females speaking in chapel, and I'm not offended by it per se. But it's almost certainly Karl Barth's moderate view of Scripture here, and I most certainly am against that. I speak not against DBU, not against the BGCT. I have a stake at least in DBU, BGCT, SBTC, and SBC. Not against any of these groups, but against Karl Barth, I say this: Stop stealing my school and my convention away from me! Stop stealing it away from its people! We are DBU students, we are DBU faculty, we are BGCT parishoners! We are inerrantists! Why have you taken away our voice? Why have you censored our beliefs?

MOST IMPORTANTLY, it is true what the Anti-Snipe insinuates; DBU's adminstration has a bunch of students who don't take chapel seriously, and can only share in the blame for asking them to not take chapel seriously, for all the years the administration did not take it seriously.

Two questions to ponder:
--Does DBU's administration have the credibility to criticize its students?
--Does the DBU Snipe site have the credibility?

I will only answer the first one. In regards to academics, yes. Gail Linam, our lovely provost, and DBU's administration have hired some of the best professors in the world. In regards to morals, it's not so easy.

Here are two examples. A, Chapel has been watered down way too many times. B, Residence Life doesn't enforce the dress code very well; it is a problem if a girl skips a few chapels, the vast majority of which will teach her zero theology; it's not a problem if a girl wears clothing that allows me to get a good look at, from a good angle, three or four inches of cleavage (that would be a 'good' angle; we'd better not talk about a 'great' angle).

(Such silly girls are absolutely not off the hook, either; no sinful or foolish students are off the hook. Some of you ladies need to stop. Modesty is an awfully attractive thing, to say nothing of lust being a bad thing and skimpy clothing a darn bad witness.)

IN FAVOR OF THE ADMINISTRATION: Several random points in random order, not elaborated upon but probably each at least as important as any negative point above.

--First, even the anti-university is not in itself a bad thing but merely a lesser good.
--Second, there are those students who are in need of quite a few of the current style of chapel services.
--Third, a lot of money is well-spent, and what's not can probably be at least partially blamed on donors.
--Fourth, for that matter, a lot of administrating is done very well. With exceptions like the chapel scanners (a joke that's not even funny), most things work really well.
--Fifth, there is still a sense in the administration that chapel is for our benefit. They don't always seem to know what we need, but they mean well.
--Sixth, guinea pigs are superior rodents to hamsters.
--Seventh, numerous administration people (I don't know, how about Heather Hadlock, is she admin?) are awfully nice people really.
--Eighth, academics are taken very seriously probably by most of the administration, at least somewhat seriously by all.
--Ninth, the Developing a Christian Mind course is not just a good thing. It's exactly what Christian education should be; in spite of being orthodox, it's cutting edge, too, because most Christian schools don't do liberal arts/Christian worldview/writing-across-the-curriculum as well as we do.
--Tenth, the administration cannot easily be separated from the professors, who are WONDERFUL.
--Eleventh, let's not have any nonsense about "liberals." There is a powerful presence of Barthian moderates; I doubt DBU has any liberals at all.
--Twelfth, while second-best-effort is never an excuse, who knows? We do a lot of things better than a lot of schools, maybe even chapel is done better.
--Thirteenth, the critics of DBU have been known to splice the occasional comma (see above) . . .


Dear Anti-Sniper,

Thank you so much for your email. I will post it in response to my post, however, I must say that I don't agree with you. It doesn't matter what the authority does, they are still authority. And for that matter, what can we do by acting as they do? We have no power to fire them,and we can't really say anything to them. I know this by personal experience. Our only hope is that we can, by example, lead others towards more godly actions, as well as speak the Truth. And obviously pray for the leadership of our school as well. We would be doing wrong by "rebelling" against those who are in authority over us. I am just as disappointed as you are with chapels. But complaining about the administrators doesn't get anywhere-it only frustrates everyone. At any rate, please email me back...as I'd like to discuss this further.

We are, after all, only in control of our own actions. And might I ask you who you are? Do you have any advice for me on the site? I'd like to know what made you become an anti-sniper. I would like to think that i am different than my brother. :-)

Florence Nightingale

PS: I have had many negative "run-ins" with Blair Blackburn and no matter what he says, he is not conservative...and he leads our supposedly conservative school...just a thought.
PPS Did you think I was sticking up for chapel here? Because I haven't been very clear if you though I was.
PPPS: John MacArthur, huh? I like him.


(in response to Florence's words above . . .)

It did seem as though you leaned a bit towards the favor of chapel. However, with your restated point in this email I have a better understanding of where you stand and thus stand corrected in my earlier assumptions.

True enough that authority is what it is, however, if we idly sit by and allow things to happen then what benefit is there in having a voice? I am not suggesting a rebellion or that we storm the halls of the Strickland bldg, of course not... I am merely suggesting that we not fear the administration, at the end of the day, when the suits and ties come off, they are human just like the rest of us. In God's eyes they have no more favor as a Christian than anyone else. Did Jesus himself not toss the temple tables around when they turned His house into a den of thieves? I am not suggesting that any of us are as Holy as Jesus Christ, I am however, suggesting that the temple incidents are examples to us that we should not allow injsutices to go on just because the powers that be claim that they are actions of 'holiness'.

If we were to become complacent in our reactions to the administration then they will continue to put into power individuals whose arrogance is only slightly less digusting than their 'performance' of their job.

We are in control of our own actions and therefore should voice our concerns... not by force so much as by formal engagement. Use their own methods of 'administration' and supposed open door policies to confront that which concerns you.

At the same time, a nice lesson on respect to the students during SWAT week would probably be well ordered.

I didn't mean to be overly critical of you or anything, fyi. Just stating how I felt.

As for my identity, I would prefer for now to remain anonymous. I too have had many run ins with the infamous Dr. Blair Blackburn and know the danger in revealing my identity and his accidental discovery of who I am would make my time at DBU much more difficult, you and I BOTH know that is true. Don't think of the address ANTISNIPE as definite opposition to you, the other snipers, and your cause. See me more as just another viewpoint. I have read most all of the articles on the snipe site and continue to keep current on the latest news posted to both the absolute and subjective truth portions of the site. There are many things I agree with wholeheartedly, such as Mark's stand on homosexuality. And things I don't agree with so much such as how we can get chapel back on the right track. My freshman year at DBU, chapel was great because there was less structure and more student involvement. You came to truly worship God, not to watch as the administration controlled the strings of their chapel puppets and donned their best "I AM HOLY" suit.

I love DBU and hate that in a few areas it has taken such a turn for the worse. I think however, the beacon of hope continues to be the faculty, specifically the religion and philosophy departments. Other departments as well, but these 2 specifically continue to push through the problems and still bring a Christian worldview to their students. Thank God for their leadership.

Don't let anything I say dissuade you fromy your task of bringing the truth. I think you are doing great and you will make your brother proud as his successor to the snipe. Knowing some of the original founders of the snipe I can say they would also be proud.

P.S. - The specific John MacArthur book I was reading at the time... I believe was (*CENSORED*) in case you are interested.

Best Regards,
Anti-Sniper


Dear AntiSnipe,

I must say that I appreciate your point of view, although we at the Snipe, including myself, are not for or against chapel. I think it is important to remain positive about the changes that we want. You were not clear as to how you thought these changes in chapel should come about. You did mention approaching the admin "on their own turf" so to speak...okay, but what would you say? And for that matter, we need to be constantly in prayer about the words we say and actions we do. None will respect our ideas if we ourselves are disrespectful and discursive. I also think that you cannot speak of the admin collectively. I am not suggesting that we single anyone out, but you must realize that there are many godly and holy admin-ers. Granted, for conversation purposes I realize that generalizations might be necessary, however, accusations (such as that they are all pharisees) should be pointed at specific situations if at all. It is unfair and not our place to refer to anyone as a pharisee. We as redeemed men and women are unable to fully look at the heart as God is able to do.

And I am also concerned that you are not clear on the purpose of the snipe site. We are an outlet for considerate concern bearing, and the occasional outburst by my brother. We are not here to overtly criticize or accuse anyone. Our hopes are that we would encourage readers to be more informed on everything from ResLife to Chapel, speak out, and make wise comments on the things going on here at DBU. I am also sure that we are in agreement that some things need to change, but there are many things that are wonderful about DBU. This doesn't mean that I'm "going soft" or that I am pro-DBU. I amd pro-living a holy and godly life for the Lord, and I think that this is a way to do so.

Please email me any comments or concerns at your earliest convience!

God Bless You,

Florence Nightingale, New Head Snipe

PS Would it be okay if only I knew who you were? I would like to know who I'm speaking with, and I think that I deserve at least that courtesy. I will keep your identity a secret, as I'd hope that you would mine. (I'm sure you know exactly who I am, b/c it's not such a secret anymore.)


Dear Florence,

At this point I'd say that anonymity for you is easily achievable. Be rather cautious yourself, of course. But understand that the real threat to anonymity is very careless friends who do thinks like this: swear themselves to secrecy and then mindlessly announce the secret in the middle of Dr. Naugle's class.

If you want anonymity, make sure they mean their swears.


Hey there Florence,

This is Meg. I just read the Anti-Snipe e-mails (I read his second one and marked it as unread again so you wouldn't miss it or anything), and...wow. I liked your reply to the first one. You're right in saying that even if we don't agree with what the administration is doing with chapel, the admin is still authority and we do not have sufficient grounds to rebel. I don't get this kid. In the first letter it sounded like he was wanting outright rebellion, then in the second he said he didn't; I don't think he was ever clear on exactly what he proposes we do. I really don't think I agree with him. Working with DBU admin in a peaceful manner, praying for our leaders, and proclaiming TRUTH (through avenues such as-but not limited to-the Snipe site) in an attempt to remedy chapel is good, but as students under authority, we can't overstep our bounds. Maybe some day the time will come to stage a rebellion, but I think that day is a ways off.

Also, DBU does listen to us somewhat; the old Head Snipe once wrote about Denison's rumored recitation of the Sermon on the Mount and expressed a desire to see it happen; the next time Denison spoke in chapel, HS got his wish. For now, we're doing all we can within the boundaries of Christian respect and it'd be nice to get more students involved.

I noticed some unfair generalizing in some of Anti-Snipe's comments. For instance, he said DBU only brought in speakers to suit a political agenda. That's not true. We have had some quite excellent speakers (and some not so excellent as well) that had nothing to do with DBU's politics; they were simply speakers DBU thought would benefit us (by "us" I mean the students) with their sermons.

His stance on respect was off, at least it seemed so to me. He said that we should only respect chapel after it changes. This overlooks the chapels we have had which have been well worth the student body's time, as well as the message Jesus gave us to respect our leaders unconditionally. Although one may not agree with what the administration is doing all of the time, I find it hard to believe that none of them are truly godly administrators worthy of our respect as persons. Besides, if we don't show respect now, why would DBU want to give us better chapels? If we don't show them that we will respect the good chapels we have and prove in our actions that we are mature young adults capable of handling deeper, more meaningful chapels, then what on earth would inspire them to give them to us? By our continued disobedience and disrespect, we only confirm the suspicions which seem to be present in the admin's mind that we are too immature for a better chapel. Yes, there are some chapels where time is much better spent sleeping or studying or the like, but especially in chapels where students are asked to be quiet and respectful or where the administration attempts to provide us with something new and meaningful (i.e. the chapels we had around Holy Week, especially the one where we were asked to be quiet at the beginning, it may have been the one on honoring God in grief, but I'm not entirely sure), we owe it to our leaders to comply with their wishes.

Calling the whole admin "Pharisees" simply because he does not agree with their stance on chapel (without mentioning anything else admin does around here, and we all know that they do alot quite well) is harsh. Let us not forget that Jesus is not really under anyone's authority; as Lord of Lords, He ruled over the Pharisees (and rules over our current leaders today). However, the same power is not given to us; we are clearly men (and women!) under authority and thankfully allowed to voice dissent and institute change to a limited degree, but not allowed to condemn those who are leading our campus.

Yes, we do have a godly faculty, but what practices is it he suggests we follow? He never tells us what makes the faculty so godly or what traits it is we should emulate, or how this emulation would change chapel for the better.

Where on earth did he get the idea the Snipe site supported chapel? It's not altogether opposed to it or anything, but Snipe is dedicated to telling the truth about it and other subjects as well, not necessarily "supporting" or "rejecting" chapel. (Note: if you haven't read Anti-Snipe's second e-mail yet, you'll probably want to do that now so that what follows will make sense.)

He talks alot about not allowing injustices to continue, but never says how he thinks they should be stopped. This guy is just outright disrespectful of the DBU administration, and while I don't agree with admin on everything, that doesn't give me the right to rail against them and insult them personally, or call them arrogant. He mentions open-door policies and formal engagements; if he thinks that is best, then he should go for it instead of sitting around writing e-mails about it. I don't view what we here at Snipe do as complacency. I think we do what we can in a Christian manner that administration may not appreciate but can understand and learn from. They may not be fond of Snipe, but so far we have not given them sufficient grounds to shut us down. The second we cross a line and overstep our bounds as subjects to authority and as brothers and sisters in Christ to those in authority, they have the biblical (and probably) legal right to do so...and we'd most likely deserve it.

I still don't understand why he seems to keep saying it's ok to insult an entire administration by accusing it of not doing its job and labeling its members Pharisees just because he doesn't like chapel? DBU administration does much more around here than that, and they aren't all corrupt individuals; they are nothing of the sort. We must keep in mind that they are Christians and as such are part of the Body of Christ as well as us.

I don't think any of us want a run-in with Dr. Blair Blackburn, however. Quite a formidable character. I certainly hope to make it through the rest of my time here without crossing him.

How on earth can he know the original founders of snipe...? Maybe he is referring to different ones than I am thinking of.

Anyway, there is my two cents on Anti-Snipe's comments, I hope you enjoyed it and I hope I'm expressing a biblical stance on things; if not, then please let me know. Thanks. I think you are doing a great job with the site; you stepped right in and made sure things kept running smoothly.

-Megan Routh


(Florence to Megan)

Okay Okay, so you said exactly what I was thinking!!! Can I post your email? I think you said it better than I ever could, and I'm thankful...I am also going to email it to the Anti Snipe if that's okay?!? See you soon!

Love Florence

PS Thanks for your encouragement! This is a big job and I think with the both of us at the helm it will continue to be an outlet for considerate concern about chapel, as well as many other topics!


(Previous Head Snipe to Megan)

Your two cents, is it?

That reminds me of Will Suffice and his "two disembodied heads of Lincoln." Speaking of Will Suffice, did I ever tell you the guy is a freakin' genius?


(The previous Head Snipe)

The characters d b u s n i p e h u n t e r @ y a h o o . c o m just don't go together. It's a paradox. So it is with the Anti-Sniper. Don't you see, you simply can't disagree with the DBU Snipe site just by posting? It's almost impossible; I'll soon tell you one of very few ways it can be done . . .

DBU (before we were here, and it still applies where we are not) was an absolute vacuum of free speech. Dissent/dialogue/debate/argument, these things were unheard of at a public level. So here's a hypothetical for you: The DBU Snipe site says something bad about Dr. Cook, or one of the VPs, or Dr. Linam, or one of the deans.

Well, for sub-hypothetical B, pretend Dr. C. or the VP or Dr. L or the dean never responds. In this case, we won that flame war, right?

Well, for sub-hypothetical A, pretend Dr. C. or the VP or Dr. L or the dean emails us in and defends his or her dignity, theology, position, or actions. Did we win that flame war? The answer is . . .

WHO CARES!? The content wasn't nearly as important as the conversation itself. If Dr. C. or the VP or Dr. L or the dean emails us and partakes of the conversation, even if we were utterly refuted, we have still won the greater victory, for free speech has triumphed, along with critical thought and dialogue. Any vocal dissent with any Snipe site correspondent, whether it's for being too hard (?DBU Snipe Hunter?) or too soft (?Anti-Sniper?) on the administration, is a deeper agreement with the more fundamental purpose of the site.

If you really want to vocally object to the DBU Snipe site, you'll have to be vocal about something that means even more to our hearts (which, for most of us, pump red, white, and blue blood) than free speech. May I recommend actually disagreeing with us by taking on inerrancy. Then we can have some really awesome dialogue.