Analysis of Police Times

Petrocelli:: After you left her - How long were you with her?
Reichardt: About half an hour, 45 minutes.
Petrocelli:: Okay. Did you tell her you would be back to see her?
Reichardt: Yes.
Petrocelli:: Now, at this point in time you and she were still together. Right?
Reichardt: I felt that having brought her to the rehab center for the second time and paid for the rehabilitation, that I had done my due diligence for that relationship, and that was it for me.
In fact, the day - the Saturday - the first Saturday that she was in rehab in a group session, one of the counselors engaged Faye and I in a conversation, and we agreed that that's it.
Petrocelli:: Before you took Faye to the rehab center, had you and she discussed splitting up? And had you officially split up?
Reichardt: No, but we had started to live very, very separate lives.
Approximately a week or so before, she basically took a bunch of her things to Nicole's house, before the intervention.
Petrocelli:: And had she returned to your house?
Reichardt: Throughout the day when I was at work. She would come in the day, do some things, get some things, and then in the evening when I was home, she wasn't there.
Petrocelli:: When was the last time she slept at your home before Nicole's death?
Reichardt: I think it was the night of the intervention. June 9, a Wednesday.
Petrocelli:: Before June 9 when was the last time?
Reichardt: I believe it was Friday - Thursday or Friday the week before, which would be - That would be the 2nd or the 3rd of June.

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Petrocelli:: After you left the Exodus treatment center, did you do anything else the remainder of that evening concerning -
Reichardt: Just went home. I don't think I talked to anyone. I was shocked. I was just -
When I come home, I turned on the television to listen to the news.
{I heard} That the police - that O.J. was down at the police station for an interview.
I think - I believe I talked to Kris Jenner. That evening.
I don't believe at that time anybody thought he was a suspect.
Actually, in fact, if anything, over the next day or two after the murder Kris Jenner, Bruce Jenner, me, we thought that it was a drug hit, because they were asking, "Is Faye safe where she's at?" They were talking about could this possibly be a drug hit.
Petrocelli:: Do you believe that Faye made up the fact that she, when told of Nicole's death, immediately told the counselors who informed her that "OJ. Simpson did it" -- "he said he would and he did"? Do you believe she made that up?
THE WITNESS: I believe that Faye was very paranoid at the time, and I think that - If - how do I say that. If the counselors at this point say that that's what she said, then chances are that that's what she said.

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Petrocelli:: Did you have any information, any evidence,. anything at all to indicate that Nicole's killing might have been drug related?
Reichardt: Just the fact that, you know, Faye had been involved in drug use at Nicole's house and knew Faye didn't have any money at the time. When Nicole told me that Faye had been free-basing at her house, to me, I went, "Oh my God, where did she get the money for that? How long had she been doing this? Three months, or two and a half months? How did she afford that?" You know, to me the question was, if this has been going on for this time, what are the implications that now Nicole is dead. Who could have had possibly any interest in -
Well, I think it's a pretty sensible thought process when you're standing there, you just brought the lady that you're seeing into a rehab center, like I said, all those different things are going on in your head, that the woman - the person that was the friend that she had stayed with over the last X number of months gets found killed -
Petrocelli:: Why wouldn't the person killed have been Faye Resnick? Why Nicole?
Reichardt: Because Faye was in rehab.
Petrocelli:: Faye Resnick also stayed with you during this three-month period. Right?
THE WITNESS: I was extremely worried after that.
Petrocelli:: When you found out how Nicole was killed, that she had been brutally stabbed and slashed, did you still think it was a drug hit at that time?
Reichardt: That's what made me even consider it more. - to me that was the only option. To me it was much more - it was the only option that I could think about: Why would anybody do that.
Because in the two-month period of time Nicole and Faye had been going out a lot; Nicole had been drinking a lot; the two girls were out a lot. So we didn't know, especially then after Nicole had come and told me about Faye's drug use, actually free-basing at her house, then I all of a sudden realized that, you know, this was not prescription medication, as Faye had led me to believe all along. Faye was back smoking.

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Petrocelli:: What did you do the next day, on the 14th?
Reichardt: Tuesday. I was going to visit Faye in the morning. I worked in the afternoons from about 1:00 until 7:00, so that's when I would see patients, and I would - probably went to see Faye the Tuesday morning because that Tuesday evening I went to an Al-Anon meeting, as per the suggestion of Albert who heads the Exodus center.
I probably brought her some things, but probably didn't spend a lot of time with her.

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Check Resnick drug use testimony
Petrocelli:: Okay. And in the intervention Nicole said that Faye's free-basing began when?
Reichardt: Three days before their trip to Cabo. Around March 28, yes.
Petrocelli:: And continued through the date of the intervention, which was June 7th. Right?
Reichardt: {June} 8th.
Petrocelli:: Now, did she - did Nicole indicate how frequently Faye was free-basing?
Reichardt: No. She didn't say whether it was a daily thing, but she had contacted Faye's ex-husband, Paul Resnick, who contacted me on Wednesday, the 8th, and to have a meeting with him and Nicole on Wednesday, the 8th, in the evening, and in that meeting Nicole, like I said, was very distressed on how Faye had degenerated and that the free-basing has become a big problem.
Petrocelli:: What about Faye's taking of pills?
Reichardt: No, that - well, I brought up that part; Nicole didn't bring up that part, because I was under the impression that Faye in those weeks - actually two months had been using prescription medication since her {Breast augmentation} surgery - Which was March 18th.
I don't know the name of the medication, but I know that later I found vials of {Fiorinals} Percodan, Valium prescribed, and I had found some vials at the house. Before she left.
When I found the vials, I asked her who the doctors had been that gave her the medication because I didn't recognize the names, and they were different doctors where she had gotten her medications, prescription medications, in the past.
She had - Faye said that she will only admit to go to a rehab center if Nicole would go also, and Faye had asked Nicole to go for alcohol, and when confronted with the - basically what Faye did is she tried to blame everybody else in the room and she said, "Well, Nicole, you've done it with me." And Nicole said, "Well, I've only snorted {cocaine}" - "I've only used it a couple times with you."
{Faye said} That Nicole was drinking way too much in the last three months, four months. She {Nicole} said, "You're right."
It was just discussed that Nicole was drinking a lot of tequila when they were going out.
{IS NICOLE'S FAMILY ALCOHOLIC?}

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Petrocelli:: Now let's focus on the time period of March, April, May and June before Faye went into rehabilitation on June 9. How many times had you yourself witnessed Faye using drugs?
Reichardt: I didn't see her using it, but I've seen her high almost every day during that period of time. There were only two or three days in between where she was not obviously high.
I - for an addict even a drop of alcohol is abusing it. So if an addict like Faye takes half a glass of wine, she gets pretty drunk. If that is done in addition to one pain pill, she's out there. She slurs her speech. She can't walk. She falls over. She - you know, cigarettes burning all over the house.
- we had a discussion. We were at a dinner, Nicole, O.J., Faye and I, about a week before going on the trip to Cabo - actually 10 days before going to Cabo, and Faye was- had taken some pills at home, and she went to the dinner and she ordered some wine, and I said to her, "Don t have the wine because you just took the medications," which was basically about two weeks or so after the surgery.
- we had this dinner, and we were talking about that Faye is going to be down in Cabo with us, and we don't want her to be high on drugs down in Mexico, so we asked her to really slow down on taking pills as much as she can and definitely not drinking. So -
Petrocelli:: {Aside from the times you stopped her,} for the most part she was driving.
And she was picking up Francesca from school.
And doing her activities.
And nothing happened to Francesca.
And there were no car accidents, right, during this period of time?
And there was no physical injury that occurred to Faye as a result of drug use or alcohol use And she was going about her daily chores. Right?
Reichardt: If you consider staying at home doing her daily chore, because she couldn't move and didn't do much, then yeah.
Petrocelli:: Well, she took care of her daughter. Right?
Reichardt: Well, more or less. I mean, they had a housekeeper. The housekeeper took care -
Petrocelli:: You didn't have the daughter taken away, for example. Right?
Reichardt: No, but I took her daughter - I woke up her daughter in the morning; I dressed her; I got her to school; I made her lunch; I arranged for somebody to pick up Francesca from school and -
Petrocelli:: Are you saying that Faye didn't do any of that for three months?
Reichardt: Very little.
...she picked up her daughter periodically, but I think it was very trying for her to -
I talked to her many times about going back to meetings, seeing her counselor, getting back on track many times.
Well, at that time I had, like I said, made up my mind that this is not a healthy relationship for me, so I started really detaching. This was at a time when O.J. and I were talking a lot about these are not - he was not in a healthy relationship; I was not in a healthy relationship; Ron was not in a healthy relationship -

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Reichardt: There were a lot of - there was a lot of activity happening in the sense of it was discussed that Nicole and O.J. wanted to go away somewhere for Easter, okay, and then Nicole said she wants to have Faye and me and Francesca with us.

We decided to go to Mexico. All of a sudden Kris Jenner and Bruce Jenner wanted to come along, too. All of a sudden Nicole said, "I don't want them to go." So O.J. was sitting there, having organized the house in Cabo, and Nicole now saying she doesn't want to go because the Jenners want to go, and it was getting confusing.

And so O.J. realized, and again I realized, that this is getting very complicated and that the people were making things much more complicated than they needed to be. So he started figuring out, my God, this is not the way that we would like to have - that he would like to have a relationship, the way that I would like to have a relationship, and it deteriorated significantly after the Cabo trip.

So in that time period. you know, it started out with he realizing that something's not right in the relationship, and it slowly degenerates.

So what O.J. and I and Ron were doing, we were talking to each other about how to handle it, what to do, hang in there, just keep communication open and all that stuff.

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Petrocelli:: Getting back to Faye's activities did you see her consume excessive alcohol during the months of March, April, May and June?
Reichardt: Again, for her one drink is excessive. Particularly down in Cabo she was drinking quite a few margaritas. {and} At my birthday party. At my house. {on} April 30th. I don't know {how many drinks}, but she was - I didn't count how many drinks she had, but she was definitely high that night.

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Petrocelli:: Have you used any illegal drugs since 1981?
Reichardt: No.
Petrocelli:: And you never saw Nicole take any drugs either.
Reichardt: No.

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Petrocelli:: You also went back to the opening of the Harley-Davidson Cafe. Right? And was there an incident there, a quarrel between Nicole and O.J. Simpson?
Reichardt: They were actually very happy. I was only there for a day and a half.
Petrocelli:: And you saw no tension or conflict or fighting or arguments. Right?
Reichardt: No. On the contrary, the time that I was there, they seemed really happy.

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Petrocelli: And when did you become engaged to her?
Reichardt: Actually not engaged to marry her, but engaged to give her a sense of security, was in December '93, Christmas '93.
The way that it was - that I brought it forward to her is she wanted to marry me, and I said, "There's no way that I will marry you unless you start addressing your problems," and then she says that she doesn't feel secure to be able to have the stamina to address her problems, so I said, 'Then let s do this: As a token of me coming a step forward, I'll give you an engagement ring, but I will only consider getting into a marriage situation if for a period of a year, year and a half you've been in meetings, you've been holding a job and you've been getting your life together." So that was the gist of the engagement.
I took her to Betty Ford Clinic in I believe it was the spring of '92. Yeah, '92. For free-base cocaine. {she was there} Three weeks.
Actually when she came out of Betty Ford, she was staying at my place again until later that year - {Until October of '92, then lived in her own place}.
You know, there was a time when I just didn't see her because she had relapsed, and then she and I started talking again in January '93.
Well, there was periodic times where she would drink and have a couple of days of taking pills and going back out of that again and be able to last for three, four weeks and then have another three, four days of relapsing, but no concentrated treatment effort.
Actually Faye introduced me to her {Nicole in January, 1993} because Faye and Nicole were going to start seeing a counselor for group sessions to figure out some of their personal issues, and Faye and I just had started talking a little bit. Faye was calling me to let me know that Francesca was missing me and so on and so forth.
So Faye actually asked me to - I think I met Nicole once or twice before at Faye's place, and then Faye asked me one day to come with them to one of these group sessions to get my opinion as to what I thought about this particular group and the guy that was heading it.
I think there were - there was a young man {there} that Nicole had met. Grant, yeah, that's right.
{I told them} That I thought it was a very acceptable group, that the people there really seemed to be wanting to work on their personal issues.
I think Faye went {to the group} one more time. Nicole went four - I don't know exactly how long the weeks were, but she actually opted to go for like an accelerated in-depth course of several weeks that she pulled through - that she went through and - {I know because} Because we would meet sometimes, Faye and Nicole and I, and Nicole would tell us about how great she felt about this class and so on and so forth and that she had - at the end had come to the conclusion that she would like to try and work it out with O.J. again.
I would say the things that were important to her {Nicole} were her insecurities, were her questioning her capacity of commitment, her guilt feelings concerning the kids -

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Petrocelli:: Now getting back to the story here, when did you first get together with Mr. Simpson?
Reichardt: I believe it was the early summer of '93. I think he came to a dinner. At a restaurant. I think it was a dinner at Toscana restaurant.
Petrocelli:: Is that the first time that you ever met him?
Is that the dinner that's described in Faye's book?
Is that the event at Toscana's where -- Mr. Simpson threatened Alessandro/Marcello?
THE WITNESS: ..., allegedly, because it didn't happen at all, that incident, but that did not -
You said that Mr. Simpson threatened Alessandro. He never did. That evening in particular, I don't know on any other occasions, but that evening there was -
Petrocelli:: I am not asking you to refute what Faye is saying, although I'm sure you'll get that out sooner or later, but what I am asking you is whether that's the same event.
Reichardt: No, that's not.
Petrocelli:: Okay. This was a different dinner at Toscana's with you and Faye Resnick -- O.J. Simpson and Nicole. Right?
Now, by this point in time had Nicole and O.J. begun their reconciliation process?
And you're still continuing to talk to Nicole; in other words, she's more your friend at this point than O.J. is.
And how long did that continue to be the case, where you considered Nicole the closer friend?
Reichardt: I would say until the Cabo trip {in April '94}.
Petrocelli: Okay. Tell me then about this Toscana event that Faye Resnick describes in her book.
Reichardt: We were sitting there having dinner, and Alessandro walked in. Alessandro is actually - I knew Alessandro before I knew O.J. and Nicole. {I knew him} From riding motorcycles.
..., he just rides himself. So Alessandro walked in, and he looked over to the table and he greeted us, and he went to proceed to move to another table. And actually Nicole said something about Alessandro having been to one of her birthday parties and he did something that she didn't appreciate, and O.J. just looked over to the guy and said, "So that's the guy," You know, no big commotion as it was described by Faye.
I think there was established earlier {that Nicole had dated Alessandro}. Until basically that dinner, I really had no knowledge that she had dated him.
That Nicole was saying that Alessandro came to her party and he got pretty drunk there and that he went into the garage and I guess pulled his pants down and took a picture of himself, and Nicole said something to the effect as, you know "He didn't have to do that, knowing that I had been with him," you know, something to that effect.
He showed it {the photograph} around at the party. {kidding} O.J. Simpson said, "So that's the guy."
Basically he looked at A1essandro and said. "Oh, that's the guy. Oh, let's not talk about it."
Actually, I think from there it ensued to Nicole saying that he doesn't have a right to be so controlling as to control the conversation, and from there it got into more of a disagreement as to what controlling is and not, but within a couple of minutes it was resolved, and things went on. We stayed there; we finished our dinners; everybody went their merry way.
I think the gist of the conversation was such as, "What's controlling about that? I don't want to hear about the guy."
I agreed with him, because the circumstances where somebody walks in from their past, from the girl's past, it was always okay for them to talk about it, but if either - let's say if I mentioned the name of a former lover, Faye would go nuts. If O.J. mentioned Paula or a picture was seen of Paula, Nicole went crazy.
You know, so it was a matter of saying, "Well, what is it? It's okay for you guys to talk about it and not for us?" And then we are called being controlling, something like that.
That incident {in fall '93, a dinner at the California Sushi Bar} was that I picked up Faye after the office to go down and join O.J. and Nicole. They were doing a taping, an interview. And so Faye and I drove down to Hermosa Beach, something like that, and when O.J. was finished we got in our respective cars and drove down to the sushi restaurant and were sitting at the sushi bar.
And I think it was a nice evening. It was a great evening. Just talking. And Nicole and Faye started talking about wanting to go out dancing after having dinner and -
At the very end of the bar. There's a stairway that goes down. We were sitting at the very end of the bar and the bar continues to go around like that (Indicating). At the very corner there was O.J. sitting; next to him, Nicole; next to Nicole, Faye -
O.J.'s sitting in the very corner, Nicole sitting next to him, Faye sitting next to her and then me. And so we were talking, the four of us talking like that, and Faye and Nicole were talking about going dancing, and all of a sudden Nicole started talking about going to the place that Joseph always took them. And we all knew that Joseph was a former lover of Nicole's -
Because Joseph also had been a former lover of Faye's, and so it was pretty much common knowledge, and basically - {and I knew} Because Faye and Nicole had talked about him.
So I know that a couple days earlier O.J. and Nicole had had a disagreement about Paula again, and so O.J. said, you know, basically, "Why do you have to bring up his name?"
Joseph's name. When I know in his head he was thinking a few days earlier she was getting on O.J.'s case about taking pictures down and so on and so forth, with the argument that Nicole doesn't want to hear anything about or see anything about O.J.'s former lovers while they were separated, but here was Nicole going - bringing out her former lover. And OJ. just said, "Why do you have to bring up that name?" And Nicole started going ahead again, a similar type of situation. "Don't be so controlling and I can do what I want."
So O.J. got up and went down to the restroom, and then a couple minutes later Faye went down into the restroom. O.J. came back up and he basically said, you know, "Let's go. Let's blow out of here. This is ridiculous."
And he proceeded to order the check and started moving towards the door. He said goodbye to the owner that came over, and Faye came back up and basically we walked out of the place.
Then on the street O.J. was going towards his car, and Nicole threw something after him verbally in the sense of, you know, "Here you go again. You run off like that," something in that fashion, you know. O.J. just turned around and said, "Look, you know, I don't need to hear all this stuff. Let's just go home."
And Nicole almost was kind of like - almost like they were both provoking verbally each other, and it ended up that we took Nicole home and O.J. drove home by himself.
I don't think that either one of them wanted to sit in the car with each other and talk more about the same issue. Well, they both were upset.

Petrocelli: You told me about another incident in Christmas of 1993.
Reichardt: Christmas '93 was at Kris Jenner's house. It was a Christmas party at Kris Jenner's house, and Faye, Francesca, my dad and I were driving up to the house of the Jenners, stopped right in front of the garage to get some presents out of the trunk, and O.J. came walking out the door and saying, "I don't need this crap," and he walked towards his car.
And we were standing there, going like, "What the hell is happening now, " and Nicole came running after him, screaming and yelling at him, and Faye went to talk to Nicole and I went to talk to O.J., and I said, "What's up?" I leaned over in his car and said. "What's going on?"
And he related to me at that moment that I think it was Joseph was at the Christmas party and that they had a disagreement about Paula - O.J. and Nicole had a - he relayed to me that he doesn't need that, to have to deal with Nicole's crap, and he was gonna go home.
Nicole came then across the street with Faye in tow, and they started arguing, and then Faye took Nicole away - O.J. and Nicole {were arguing}.
That O.J. was saying, "Look, I don't need this stuff. I don't need this crap in my life." And Nicole was going - saying, "This is no crap. You have Paula and," nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, and just going back and forth like that. And it ended up that Nicole went upstairs, got the kids, and they went in O.J.'s car and they drove off.
Petrocelli: When you spoke privately to O.J., what was he saying to you? What did he say to you?
Reichardt: He was talking to me about that he doesn't need to deal with having to be confronted with Nicole's ex-lovers if at the same token she accuses him or wants him to never mention and have nothing of his ex-lovers in his life.
He said that - I don't know right now whether it was Joseph or someone else that was at that Christmas party at the Jenners' house, and that was probably the extent of the conversation that moment before they drove off.
I don't think that at that moment when I talked to him in the car we talked about it, but a couple days later him and I talked about it, that Nicole had come over to his house and again raised questions about Paula, because Paula had sent a Christmas basket to O.J. and it happened to be delivered when Nicole was at his house.
So Nicole started to get on O.J.'s case about still being with Paula, and O.J. said, "I'm not with Paula," but she's grateful for what he had done in the past for her, so she sends him a Christmas basket, so no big deal. So Nicole went off on him about this Christmas basket, then only to get in the car going over to the Jenners' house and to be confronted with one of Nicole's ex-lovers.
Perhaps I should use a different word. When I say being "confronted" with Joseph. I think it was - In the same room, right.
What upset him was the fact that Nicole was on O.J.'s case for having received a Christmas basket and then O.J. dealing with Joseph at the Jenners' house.
And the only thing that happened at the house was that Paula sent the basket, and then Nicole - And I want to clarify the way that you're asking the questions.
Actually he went to Joseph, said hello to Joseph; then walked over to Nicole and said, "See, ex-lovers in our lives are going to be around."
Nicole in that moment turned around to him, called him a liar and said that "You're still seeing Paula, and I know it."
That's what got O.J. upset, not the view of Joseph. What got him upset is the - that it would be okay for Nicole to get on his case about an ex-lover and -
What I'm saying is that he was upset about the fact that Nicole yelled at him about something that would be okay for her. It was okay for her but not for him, and for a couple trying to get back together, that doesn't quite work -
It began with - the conflict began in the moment when O.J. went to Nicole and Nicole yelling at him. That's what started the conflict, not Joseph -
I don't think that he's saying it is Nicole's fault. I think it is a matter of two people getting into arguments over former lovers.

KELLY: What – how long did you remain in that room downstairs?
KARDASHIAN: Till about 9:30.

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KELLY: Prior to that, what time did you leave Rockingham on that Monday night, the 13th?
KARDASHIAN: 9:30.
KELLY: Did anybody leave with you?
KARDASHIAN: I think most of the – of his friends that were there left at that time, if I'm not mistaken.
KELLY: Was that after he went upstairs to his room?
KARDASHIAN: Yes. I walked upstairs with him, and then I went home. [10 minute drive]

Petrocelli: When is the last time you spoke to Mr. Simpson?
Kaelin: I believe it was Monday. June 13th.