Hi my name is Larry, and I have been listing to some your tapes, and I
enjoy them. I live in Kissimmee Florida (central Florida) do you have any
churches that you can recommend that teach on the same line as your
tapes in this area?
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--- Larry
No. I don't know of more than a couple groups (a better term I think than "churches" due to the confusion this leaves in our minds about what a "church" actually is) ANYwhere that teach what we teach, and none in your area.
There are a few of us here in California, a small group in North Carolina, and another in Kentucky. And of course through the Internet we have found believers all over the world that believe what we are saying, and agree with it, but are for the most part, alone.
At this time, it seems that God has done things in such a way so as to "isolate" believers, so they may express "the faith of their father Abraham", and come out unto Him "being alone". When we finally realize that none of "Christianity's denominations" bring glory to the name of Jesus, that is the door to the road out of our misery (for the spirit-filled child of God). When we finally "come out" we get blessed! This is not something to despise, but something you will appreciate more and more as time goes on.
Stay close to us via cassette (get our monthly broadcast tapes), and any other means you find necessary to grow spiritually. We're here if you need us, but we, like you, are by and large "alone" - voices crying in the wilderness, and making straight paths for the feet of the Lord. And loving it.
Let me know if you have other questions - - - I'm sure you will! (also send for our "coming out" tapes which discuss the questions of "where can I go to church now?")
Best regards,
Gary Savelli
Isaiah 58 Broadcast
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear sir:
I am having a rough time convincing a friend of mine that tongues
is then initial evidence. Could you please direct me somewhere on your
site where I might access this info please?
--- Tarik
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We have MANY articles on or related to this. The best area to look for them would be in our archived "questions of the week"... there are several times we have answered questions like that in past articles, from different perspectives. At the archive there is a list of the question of the week and a short description of it's contents... Here is a link to the archive:
Archived Questions - http://www.isaiah58.com/archiveqow.html
If you can't find what you are looking for there (and there should be no less than five separate articles on this there), e-mail me and I will find them by title for you.
Best regards,
GARY SAVELLI, Isaiah 58 Broadcast GSAVELLI@aol.com
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Gary,
On the literature before and the one in March, you mentioned
Christianity. Well , what I'm about to ask may not be important but I'd just
like to know: What do you answer when someone asks you, "What is your
religion? Are you a Christian?"
What do I say since I'm told to "come out" of Christianity? Do I say "no and yes" ; or
"I used to be, but I'm still worshipping the same and only God but this time the right
way?"
And sometimes, when you have to fill out a form and it says; religion :__________
What does a person put on such a form?
Another thing: your broadcast talked on obedience, I want to know how can I
really obey God. I must keep his Ten Commandments and obey them. What else
must I do to keep his laws? That's all. Your reply is highly appreciated.
I would much appreciate your time for answering this. This is not urgent
and so please answer more important queries first . Thanks.
--- Simpson Chua
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This IS an urgent querie!! It is very important that we confess Jesus to a lost and dying world, but in love and in the Spirit of truth!
I usually say "no, I am not a Christian". But you have to be sensitive, because we do not want to offend needlessly. If the person is a weak person asking it, I carefully answer so as not to make them feel that I am in any way rebellious. So, it will depend on the person as to HOW I will tell them. But I am not ashamed of what God has done for me, and when given the chance to tell it, I will be honest - in meekness and in love, especially to those who are ignorant of this truth, but wanting to do right before God.
When answering "what religion" questions on forms and such, I write: "a non-Christian follower of Jesus Christ" (or in some cases "a follower of Jesus Christ" depending on why they are asking).
And regarding full obedience Simpson, I think it can be summed up in this way:
In other words, give your heart to the truth completely, just as you did to Christianity when you were ignorantly serving its ways. It is not enough to 'come out", without moving into something that is right before God. Love those who love what you love, and you will be a very happy man in Christ Jesus.
Hope that helps!!
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S COMMENT:
I recently came across your web site and read some of the letters, responses
etc. out of curiosity. I must say you are the one that is deceived and lying to people.
#1- You DO NOT need to be baptized in/with the Holy Ghost and speak in
tongues to be saved.
#2- You DO still need to be baptized in water in obedience to scripture
(not doctrine of man as you say) Faith in Christ and repentance brings
salvation. That's all! Then we are, out of obedience to Christ, to be
baptized in water.
No where in scripture does it say or can you prove we must speak in tongues
to be saved. (I am Holy Spirit baptized and do speak in tongues by the
way.)
The New Testament Church did ,under the New Covenant practice water
baptism. Read the book of Acts! Paul himself did baptize in water. (1 Corinthians
1:13-16). In one of your responses to a readers questions stated he did not and they
did not.
You are standing on dangerous ground with all of your accusations of
declaring that all others besides you and those that don't believe as you
are not saved. You are going to be held accountable by God for all those
you have led astray and confused by your FALSE TEACHINGS. Paul was speaking
of men like you, not those in most of the "Christian Churches" you slander.
I pray God, by His Spirit opens YOUR EYES to the TRUTH of HIS WORD!
---Jerry Roff
Dear Isaiah 58:
What is being slain in the Spirit? Is there references to this in the Bible?
God Bless. ------------------------------------
--- Michael
Being "slain in the Spirit" is a term modern day Pentecostals have given to a certain religious (or spiritual) experience...
There are times when the anointing or the power of God is so great, that the human body cannot stand up under it. And as a result, the person will "faint" or "fall down". In modern times, it began to happen in the early 1900's, and around 1920-30 the term "slain in the Spirit" became popular among Pentecostals.
I might add that the father of John Clark who writes much of the material on our page (his name was George Clark) was one of the early ministers who first had this happen in his healing campaigns. He went through much persecution because of it, from Pentecostals! When he would lay hands on the sick, and pray for people, the power of God would strike them and they would fall down. He himself did not know why this happened. He would not instruct them in such ways, and why his prayers had that effect, he did not know, except that when people would get up, they would be healed of serious diseases and maladies. Many of the Church of God and other leaders of Pentecostal movements then came to him and asked him why this was happening. And George Clark told them, "I don't know why it happens, you'll have to take to God about that and ask him why - I just pray for them".
Since that time, what we now know as being "slain in the Spirit" is by and large a "Christian" thing, with no power behind it. At least the experiences we see on television and such. People do it because others expect them to do it, and they really do not have contact with real the power of the holy Ghost, as they did back then. But there are instances I know of now, and I have personally been in meetings where it was genuine, and occurred because the power of God was present - to heal and to change that person's life. It takes much discernment to know what IS of God and what is NOT of God.
There are instances of this in the Bible. Many of the prophets, and some of the apostles were under such a power or an anointing from God that they were "struck" or "speechless", or as Paul said he was: "whether in the body or out of the body, he was not sure". So it is Biblical - but not as it is occurring among the Christian meetings by and large today. The key would be, what is happening to the people who receive such experiences? If they are getting something from God then it is good. If they are learning the truth then it is good. If they are being encouraged to participate more in Christianity's sins, then it is not good, and it is not the will of God.
Hope that helps.
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Isaiah 58:
Are you saying that baptism doesn't need to be done with water? What is the difference
between being baptized with water and being baptized by the Holy Spirit? How are the
procedures different and where is this documented in the Bible? My mother is
baptized in the UPC, and claims she speaks in tongues. I have never witnessed this, and
am not sure I want to. But, I am willing to hear what others have to say about it.
--- Sandy, from MN
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On the issue of "water baptism". . . First we must establish a truth which Paul preached to the Gentiles (that is you and me). He told us that NOW (in this dispensation) there is only ONE baptism (Eph.4:4). Not two... but one. So we must ask the question, "which baptism is it that God now has ordained for people to receive"?
There were only two (perhaps three) baptisms ever ordained by God. The "perhaps" baptism would be the ceremonial washings of the old covenant priests, but they were not called "baptisms" though there is illusion to the same. So putting that aside, there are only two clearly referenced baptisms in the scriptures: John the baptist's water baptism, and Jesus' spirit baptism.
John the baptist's baptism was for ISRAEL (not gentiles); and it ALWAYS contained a message when it was performed: "there is one coming after me... he shall baptize you with the holy Ghost and with fire". If it did not have that message with it, it was not John's baptism. (So men who practice water baptism without the following message of Spirit baptism are not even practicing John's baptism, really!)
After Jesus came, and died for sin, he went up to the father, and purchased the "promise" of the holy Ghost, which he shed on the day of Pentecost. As the gospel was going forth, the ministry of the gospel to the gentiles was given to Paul, and his message was that of the holy Ghost baptism ONLY. Ceremonial works of the law (of which John's baptism was one) were irrelevant in the gospel which Paul preached. Paul said "God did NOT send ME to baptize (in water)". He also said that he was "thankful that HE (Paul) had not baptized (in water) any of the believers in Corinth". Why? Because it was confusing to people! Water baptism is a work of the "Law", and is past. It was for the Jews; and Peter and Paul did baptize a handful of people (even some who were Gentiles), but as their knowledge of the true faith was "exploding" in to full view, it was Paul who had the revelation that it was BY the holy Ghost baptism that a person was put into the body of Christ (1Cor.12:13). And that is why Paul (and we!) practice that ceremonial act unto Gentiles no more.
It is not a demonstration of "faith" as people are told... it is a demonstration of "unbelief", and leads one to believe that what God does for a person is insufficient to save their souls in the end. Since Christianity is built on ceremony and tradition, that is why the foolish there continue to practice water baptism (and many other signs and symbols of old covenant worship). And of course, that is one reason the Spirit of God is saying to all of the holy Spirit baptized children within Christianity: "come out of her my people".
Hope that helps... if you have questions, ask away! Your materials went out in the mail a few days ago.
Best regards,
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Isaiah 58:
I am a fundamental Christian and I enjoy your links page. However, the other day I
went to pull up one of the links and it was a "New Age" site. Why do you carry
such sites on your web page when they are blatantly against Jesus and Christianity?
--- David
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Thanks for your input regarding the links on AAA+ Zillions of Religious Links page (http://www.oocities.org/Athens/Acropolis/8641), and the fact that one of the links there appears to be "New Age"...
Actually, that is fine with me on that page. Many people on the Internet want their page to be seen, so we have that link page for them to add their links for FREE, and for new viewers to find out about our site here at Isaiah 58.
I think it is hypocritical of God's people to want the world to listen to them, yet not to have the freedom of mind, heart, and webspace to hear what the world is saying back. In other words, we are asking unbelievers to link to our pages (like Yahoo, Excite, Lycos, etc.), but we refuse them the same right to link to ours?!? Doesn't sound quite right to me. So I welcome ANY religious page to my site for that reason.
Personally, I am a spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ. No other faith intimidates or confuses me... and I am perfectly content to have others express their views. Many times, Jesus let others express their thoughts on things before helping them with the truth. In fact, that is one way I learn, and I hope I can always keep learning from others (both right and wrong ways!) until the day I leave this earth. Therefore, my page will remain open to all who will post there, and that includes any "fundamental Christian" like you, as well as any "fundamental New Ager", or any other.
I'm glad you enjoy the link page, and keep enjoying it. Don't let the "Christian holy" standard imposed on you by others keep you from being happy. After all, you were enjoying things before you saw that link, weren't you!? Hope that explains it, and thanks for your concern!
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Isaiah 58:
When you speak in tongues can anyone understand you? When I read about
tongues in Acts, it seems to me that speaking in tongues is when the holy
spirit speaks through you and every man hears you in his native tongue.
Sometimes when I hear people talking about speaking in tongues, I get the
idea that nobody can understand what they're saying. This seems like a big
show some people put on, to prove they have a closer walk with God. It
seems fake to me. I do not mean to insult anyone, I am just trying to
understand.
--- Sandy
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The only time in the Bible that men spoke with tongues that were understood "in other men's languages" was in Acts 2. In every other instance, it appears that men spoke in tongues "unto God", for they heard them "speak in tongues, magnifying God".
If tongues seems fake to you, it is probably one of two things:
1) the people who are speaking in tongues are not living a holy life, and are "drinking unworthily" (such is the case just about everywhere in Christianity) - or -
2) you do not really love the Lord. I would venture to say, and hope the case here is the first, because you are taking the time to search the matter out.
The soul that truly loves the Lord, loves speaking in tongues, because that is what the spirit does. But also, the soul really loving the Lord wants to feel a right spirit coming from those who do speak in tongues... and that is why God is calling his children out of places where living holy is not required of them.
Here are some links to tongues if you want to study more on it:
http://www.isaiah58.com/q_oftheweek2.html (Must Every believer speak in tongues?)
http://www.isaiah58.com/q_oftheweek29.html (what is the Purpose of speaking in tongues?)
http://www.isaiah58.com/clark09_18_97.html (Tongues and the New covenant)
God bless.
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Hello,
Congratulations on a great isaiah58 website! An internet pen pal of
mine referred me to it. I am one of those few who has woken up and
left the popular "Christian church". I only have one or two brethren
internet pen pals to fellowship with, and I am on the lookout for
more fellowship opportunities.
In the Clark's Corner article "Why Some are not Healed" he says he knows several
people who have this power of the holy ghost. That"s the kind of people I am seeking
to fellowship with. Please tell me how I could meet some of these people.
I'd really like to meet someone who has an effective prayer life. A lot
of my prayers get answered, but I know there is a higher level.
Know any congregations out side the US?
--- Bob
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No, we do not know of many "fellowship opportunities" either in the USA or outside of it... although we know of MANY individuals, who are hearing the call of the Spirit to "come out of her my people" (Rev.18:1-4) and obeying in many parts of the world.
It is one thing to get out of "Christianity", but it is quite another to get "Christianity" out of us. In other words, it is one thing to physically leave dead Christian congregations, but it takes the power of God to get the influence of those doctrines and traditions out of our hearts. That is something that comes AFTER we leave the places we went after coming to Christ.
It has been my observation that in nearly every person who obeys the Spirit of God in this regard (to "come out" of Christianity), there is a time of being "alone". There is something about being alone (whether through rejection or by our choices) that starts the cleansing process. My wife and I were alone for several years, before God began to join us together with those in our state (California) who were also obeying God. But whether we ever met anyone or not, we were prepared to go at it alone if we had to, in the hopes that we might obey God. As John Clark told me when I first obeyed the "call" - it's not that we look for someplace to go... we BECOME a place for others to go who want to obey God. So that is where you must begin. Meanwhile, keep in close contact with those who love what you love, and who have been given the power and authority in God to lead and to teach you.
In short, that means you need to cut off the influence of everything "Christian". Those who fail to do so will never be made "without spot or wrinkle", because "a little leaven, leavens the whole lump"! You must be lead by those who are outside of Christianity, and have the power "to heal" and to direct you in the ways of God more perfectly.
With that, we invite you to order any of our materials, and contact us often. And as the Apostle Paul told his youthful apprentice Timothy, "live the way you have seen me live" (Phi.4:9). And of course, we ask you to follow us as we follow the Spirit of God, and please keep in touch.
Best regards,
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts