I am submitting this article by Dr. John McArthur for you to read. It is very clear that
speaking in tongues is not for the church today. I hope you will read it and reconsider
your position. (Editor's note: The article was too lengthy to insert here, but essentially
said that since we have the Bible now, we no longer need the sign of tongues, and that
people who speak in tongues are either in the flesh or under the influence of the devil.)
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TrueBelief
Thanks for taking such a good deal of time to forward to me Mr. MacArthur's teaching on the Holy Spirit, and the fact that he does not believe that speaking in tongues is an experience which still takes place today.
He is a minister of Satan. However he is telling the "truth". All his doctrine that you quoted is applicable to the holy Spirit HE believes in, and the holy Spirit that works in HIS church (that of Christianity). But his holy spirit is not the Spirit that Jesus, the Apostle Paul, and the other Biblical writers wrote of or experienced. Mr. MacArthur is one of the men that Paul said would have "a form of godliness, denying the power of God".... and he is one of the false teachers which the apostles warned us would deceive by their "appearance of righteousness", "deceiving and being deceived".
I would point out that Dr. MacArthur, and others like him do tell SOME truth. Satan's ministers to not tells lies only. They tell truth MIXED with lies, for that is the only way they can ply their trade among the saints of God. However, the sincere seeker of truth will be led by the Spirit to know who is, and who is not, telling the truth. Those who have the holy Ghost will be given the wisdom by God to know who is sent by God, and who is not.
EVERY minister in Christianity is telling SOME truth, and MOSTLY lies. For if the truth were made known to a minister in Christianity, they would come out of it. And any minister that tells God's people, or those seeking God that the new birth experience of speaking in tongues is not for YOU TODAY, that man is a liar, and if you will live, you must flee his poison.
Hope that helps.
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
My name is Gary Harvey. I am a seventeen year old senior and a Bible
College student. I would like to know what advice you have for someone
that is going into the ministry. Thank you. ---------------
Gary Harvey
I would say that the most urgent thing that any person can do to prepare for ministry is to have an experience where they can say they have truly been "sent" by God. Many young men have a zeal for God, but have been confused by what Christianity calls "ministers" or the "ministry".
Bible college does not replace both the "calling" and "sending" of God. Many have been called, but most are never "sent". The truth is, that there is nothing we have to minister with, unless we have received something from God to preach or to teach...
God has not "sent" any man to preach merely what they have heard from others. The man of God who is truly a "minister" has his own commission, fresh from God. Because he has been with God, both in prayer, and in experiences in the holy Ghost. "Without the holy Ghost we are none of His" --- and regarding ministry, without the anointing of the holy Ghost we are none of his as well, though in appearance, men may think we are.
We have a few very good articles on this subject at our site. Here are the links if you want to read those articles. What you will find is that most men who call themselves "ministers", have never been sent by God at all - - - and hopefully that will not be the case with you, because you were wise enough when tender to ask such a good question. Solomon asked God for wisdom to judge his people, and God added much more to him. If you will ask for the Spirit of God to touch you, then perhaps God may send you with HIS gospel. But Jesus' gospel, which comes with power, has never been popular with men. That is where most so-called "ministers" fail. When really "sends" a man, he is like Paul, who said, "pray for me, that I might speak the things which God has given to me".
Here are the links:
Hope that helps, and keep seeking!
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Hi, I came across your site and find it very good. I recently began to speak
in other tongues but sometimes I wonder if it is just me speaking. Please advise.
Also how I may grow in speaking in other tongues?
God bless you richly! ------------------
---- Simon, Singapore
This is a very good question, and one we get quite often.
I like the counsel of the wise old saints, who used to say, "keep praying until you are satisfied" . . . so keep seeking! When the Spirit enters the human body, it "speaks". Or as John said, "you hear the sound of the Spirit EVERY TIME" a person is born of the Spirit (John 3:1-8). If you have received that experience where the Spirit of God came into your body, prompting tongues to come, that is the "New Birth" experience. I don't believe anyone should have doubts if it has happened . . . you will KNOW if you are speaking in tongues!
Most often, I find people having doubts about whether they have spoken in tongues, primarily for one of two reasons: 1) They have not really received the Spirit of God, but someone has told them they have, BEFORE speaking in tongues. And God is letting them doubt, because the first experience was not the born again experience. They may have "felt" the power of God, and the Spirit WITH them, but it has not actually come in yet. In this instance, you must certainly keep seeking until it does. 2) The person really HAS received the Spirit of God, but it has been quenched from the beginning by ministers whom Jesus has not sent, or other influences around them. In other words, men are telling them lies which confuse and put to death the life of the Spirit ("such as don't speak without an interpreter"; "make sure it's the Lord and not you"; and so on.) In this instance, a person needs to "come out" from such influences and let the Spirit be free...
For more help, order our free "New Birth Sampler Set" (link at: http://www.isaiah58.com/order.html); or you may view any of our tracts on-line dealing with this issue. Hope that helps!!
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Gary Savelli,
I appreciate your seeking for truth with a sincere heart, but I do not believe you have
the right to state that no UPC minister has been sent or inspired by God to teach and
preach. If every church and denomination is condemned by the scriptures, then what is
your solution to Paul's admonition to "not forsake the assembling of yourselves together."
Also, if worshipping with unbelievers is being unequally yoked together, how are sinners
to hear the truth and come to repentance? "...it pleased God by the foolishness of
preaching to save them that believe" (I Corinthians 1:21). "And how shall they believe in
whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans
10:14). Your ideas seem to ignore a vital part of Jesus' profession to his disciples to "Go
ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19), which brings me to another point.
According to your doctrine, water baptism is a dead ceremonial work, and the Baptism
of the Holy Ghost is the only baptism necessary. If this is the case, would Jesus
command his disciples to baptize men with the Holy Ghost. Can a MAN give the Spirit
to another, I think not. The Father gives the Spirit. Jesus speaking unto his disciples, "I
will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with
you forever. Even the Spirit of truth,... (John 14:18, 19). When I sit in a service, the
Spirit does not cry out that something is wrong, but rather moves upon me and edifies
me through the instrument of anointed preaching. I do have the Holy Ghost, and do
love the Word of God. For this reason I place so much value in the truth. I do not
claim loyalty, though, to Pentecostalism, but to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Of
course Jesus is not IN the UPC denomination, he is IN his people who merely come
together and worship him in a building where the Word is preached by a man of God.
Thanks for your time, and I am anxious to read your response.
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I thank you for responding to my question about the your belief that the United
Pentecostal Church denomination is one of the Christian daughters of the Whore in
Revelation. However, I cannot accept your response because I wholeheartedly disagree.
One reason for this statement is the fact that I have encountered many, many
UPC-ordained ministers which I truly believe are led by the Spirit of God. The fruit that
they produce testify of the presence of God in their lives. The sermons that they have
preached have pierced my heart time and time again and drawn me to a closer walk with
Jesus. Many of these ministers show forth the signs that shall follow them that believe
spoken of in Mark 16:17: casting out devils, speaking with new tongues, laying hands on
the sick and the sick recovering. I know because I have experienced these occurrences
first hand. I do not condemn you, but consider you my brother.
I don't know if I have much of a "reply" to what you have said. In response to the last part first, it is good that your loyalty is to Christ Jesus, and none other. If you "value the truth" as you have stated, then you will value what we are telling you, because it IS the truth. By your own words, "Jesus is not IN the UPC denomination" - listen to your words... because the church is not divided, and denominations "divide" those people in whom the Spirit of God dwells.
Let me just sum it all up with this example: If a priest in the Catholic denomination of Christianity receives the holy Ghost (and we have known of some), and ministers to people there, but adheres to doctrines which Jesus hates - will he be pleasing God, simply because there are times when he moves under the anointing he has received? It is not to say that the Spirit cannot use that man in his ignorant condition, but there will come a time when that man will have to choose whether to serve the doctrines of Catholicism, or the doctrines of the Spirit of God. If that man is teaching the people under him that it is right to worship Saint Jude, or to pray to the Virgin Mary, or to confess to a priest, or to burn candles in worship, etc.; will he be accepted of God? Will God respect this man? Has God sent him to teach what he is teaching? The answer is obvious, and it is no different with any of Christianity's denominations, including the UPC. You must eventually make this choice: shall I disobey God and partake of the division of His body, or shall I remain in that rebellious condition?
It is the same with EVERY (not some, but EVERY) Christian denomination: UPC, Assembly of God (where I came out of); Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, Presbyterian, Non-denominational/Christian, etc. etc. They are ALL teaching as doctrines, the commandments and traditions of men. They are all telling God's people, or those seeking the truth, lies. They are all dividing the body of Christ by their very nature. Jesus has not sent them to teach what they teach. The deceptive part is that they teach some truth in addition to these lies. And the other, of course, is that many of God's holy Ghost filled people remain there, which can make it look even more attractive to the undiscerning. That is what makes it more evil. Remember, we must expect that Satan's ministers will not use error only to deceive. He must ply his trade by mixing truth with error, for how else can he deceive the elect? God's people must hear some truth, before they will begin to listen.
As to your feelings in the UPC services - I do not doubt the sincerity of your experiences. God blesses every one of his children whose heart is open to Him, IN SPITE of where we are, not BECAUSE of where we are. If God was to give us what we "deserve", we would all be destroyed! I'm sure you can remember many times when you walked in ignorance or sin prior to knowing God, but He still helped you - because He looks at the heart. But when you know the truth, God requires much more of you.
In closing - let me again tell you the uniting factor of the whore and her daughters: they all receive as born again, those who are not. That is what a harlot is - one who takes into her bed someone who is not her "spouse". That is why you must come out, if you want to live. In time, you will see that what we are telling you is right. So stick around for a while, and give it some time. Listen carefully to what is being preached and lived out by those in authority, and by those who you are in submission to. Wait patiently, for the tree will be known by it's fruit, and the fruit of any of the denominations in Christianity, is sin . . . hidden perhaps, but not to the one who cannot be deceived by appearances.
God bless, and keep your heart open always... God is going to have a church, without spot or wrinkle, but it will be outside of Christianity - that is the Word of God to every child who has the holy Ghost.
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
I received one of your tracts and I disagree with your opinion that you cannot say that
you are saved. Luke 19:9-10 says, and Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to
this house, since he is also the son of Abraham. For the Son of man came to seek and
to save the lost." Also in Luke 10:20 Jesus told the apostles that "their names were
already written in Heaven". Does this not imply that they are going to heaven already?
I plea for you to reconsider your teachings. While we still have to live the life, it's by
our FAITH we are saved. I believe that God has faith in us that we will continue to do
good in his name and that he has already granted the true Christians this gift.
Remember Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is
not of your own doing, it is the gift of God".
Thank you for your time and feel free to respond. -------------------
Bryan Lauzon, Australia
Try to tell Judas Iscariot he was already saved. He was among those Jesus was speaking to in Luke 10:20 which you quoted. He would give anything today to be able to reconsider such a position, if he ever thought that at all!
No, we are not saved already. We are "converted" in this life. But "salvation" as the Bible writers referred to it, is a future event - something which Jesus is bringing with him for those who obey him (1Pet.1:5,9).
Also, just for your info. - Ephesians 2:8 does not say "by grace we have been saved". You need to carefully read your Bible again. "Have been saved" is a "Christian tradition", but it is not the grammar of Paul in the scriptures, nor the heart of Jesus Christ and his servants.
Our message concerning the false Christian teachings of "salvation" will reveal the condition of every person's heart. Salvation is NOT the same thing as conversion. The righteous will understand and repent. The proud will reject the humble attitude of allowing Jesus to judge us in the end, in favor of claiming something that nobody in this lifetime can be certain they have. We are saying, "don't judge" - let Jesus do it when he comes, as he promised he would.
Hope that helps.
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S COMMENT:
Greetings in the Name of our Risen Savior. It was with great excitement that I
collected the parcel from the Post Office late this afternoon containing the Booklets and
Tapes on Revelation and Romans. At this very moment I am listening to the Music Tape
of John Clark !
I cannot convey to you my appreciation for your friendship and the Literature that you
have sent me ....... (Words fail me). Would be so kind as to convey my thanks to
John Clark and
all those involved at Pioneer Tract Society - as I noticed that they posted the items
received, at your request - I would thank them personally but I do not have their E-Mail
Address.
Your friendship is much valued. May the Lord reward you for your service in His
vineyard.
Cornelius Claassen, South Africa
Do you have any tracts exposing the satanic origins of Halloween, other pagan
festivities and/or the use of pagan gods in children's toys? Please let me know shortly.
Thanks. ---------------
Carl Fork
No we do not have such tracts, because Satan's activities are not these (Halloween, pagan toys, etc.). The Bible tells us that Satan is a "deceiver", and is "perfect in beauty" (what men love, religiously). The word Satan, actually means "slanderer", and his activities are "religious" in nature, and his desire is to "deceive, if it were possible, the very elect of God".
The push of Christian ministers to point to such activities (Halloween, Christmas, toys, etc.) as "Satanic" is simply a diversion, because Satan's ministers, the Bible teaches, come as "ministers of righteousness". There is an "appearance of holiness" but the end is that they propagate "wrong ideas about God" (and naturally, wrong ideas about Satan). In other words, they "slander" the truth by getting the saints to look at unimportant things. They don't want you to really know that the thing that is most Satanic is their doctrines. That is the nature of Satan.
I hope this answers your questions... we have a good tract at our website (actually it is one of the articles in Clark's Corner: http://www.isaiah58.com/clark05_29_97.html) about the activities of Satan... you may want to read it. Do not be deceived by ministers that would get you worked up about the "Satanic" nature of pagan holidays... the whole world lieth in wickedness, and these holidays are simply a part of an ignorant world. Satan is much more "devious" than that!
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
I love your site. I have greatly enjoyed the teachings and have ordered
several selections. I have a question that I need any assistance I can find in determining
the right and wrong of a situation.
I am currently counseling a man that was born a woman underwent
sex-reassignment surgery more than 10 years ago. This person is a spirit
filled Christian that sincerely seeks truth for his situation. He had been
ousted from his church when the discovery of his prior life was found out,
prior to salvation he married and his wife gave birth to a child via
artificial insemination. He desperately seeks the answer as to how God see's
him. A year or so ago during the sincere battle being bombarded by Christians that
insisted he needed deliverance and that he should have the surgery reversed if that is
possible, he received several words of prophesy from a group of credible
people, pastors that flow in the prophetic and that knew nothing of his situation.
21 times the Lord referred to him as my son, urging him to forget the past, and
reaffirming that He saw the storms and controls the storms. This brother found a peace
from this but so desired to right in all sense with the Lord that he allowed his peace to
be taken
by those that say prophesy is not always correct and is distorted by those
giving it if they get into the flesh. He says he has a peace about which he
has done and considers it a gift from God that he can live a life in a body
that suits his mind.
He has prayed about seeking deliverance and does not feel the leading of
the Spirit to undergo it. Any advise? This is an entirely separate issue from
homosexuality which I have successfully counseled as the scripture is very clear
regarding.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Love through Christ Jesus. ---------------
Ted (Name changed for privacy reasons)
"There is no peace saith the Lord unto the wicked" (Isa.48:22). God is manifesting their condition, and there is no counsel you need give them.
Beyond that, "counselling" is not the man of God's business. The man of God "speaks the word of God", and the word of God is saying "come out of her my people" (Rev.18:1-5). Come out of the place that would put you in such "counselling" situations. The religion we joined ourselves to (Christianity) attracts the wicked, for it is "the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird". That is why "counselling" is so needed - because people are without peace which the truth alone brings. When the holy Ghost filled saint comes out of it, they will not have to face these issues at all, for the "kingdom of God is not meat, nor drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the holy Ghost" (Rom14:17).
I think my counsel is more for you, than for the person you spoke of - but it is offered with the tender mercies of Christ Jesus - the truth in love.
God bless.
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Dear Gary,
I accepted the Lord into my life at a very small age but the problem
is I am the worst backslider you can ever come across. Now I am 22 years old and I
must have backslided around 25 to 30 times!!!
The last time, I had to pay a really heavy price before I finally
decided to fall prostrate before His throne. He accepted me and I enjoyed 4
months of heavenly bliss at His presence but due to the lust of this
world I fell again. Now I beg Him night and day to take me back but I can
strongly feel that He is hiding Himself from me. I terribly miss that
unspeakable joy I used to feel. I don't know what to do. Please help me.
By the way, thanks a lot for sending me the tracts.
Britto Arthur. -----------------
It is apparent that you are feeling the right things, but the confusion of your situation is primarily the result of the ruinous doctrines you have been under since you were a child.
Yes, God is hiding from you. That is a right feeling - go with it. "You will find me when you seek for me with all your heart" (Jer.29:13). God can be found Britto - but only by those who seek with all their heart.
You must understand that you cannot "accept the Lord" as you stated you did as a child. That is a false notion of Christianity, the result being that sincere souls are stopped short of true life in Christ through it. The truth is that Jesus must accept us!! (the greater always "accepts" the lesser)... You must be "made acceptable to God being sanctified by the holy Ghost" (Rom.15:16). Yes, you have felt the call of God since childhood (for we are chosen in him before the foundation of the world), but that is not the "new birth". Being born again is receiving the Spirit. And receiving the Spirit is "being baptized by the Spirit into the body" (1Cor.12:13). Receiving the Spirit is an "experience", and Jesus said you hear the sound of the Spirit every time it enters the human body (John 3:1-8).
So now, your soul is crying out for that "baptism". Not a "watery" baptism, but the one that will wash sin away. Not the one that men give, but the one that Jesus gives. That is the kingdom of God: "the kingdom of God is not meat nor drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the holy Ghost".
There is no "lasting" joy without the holy Ghost. There is "happiness" (or bliss) such as you have experienced at various times in your life, but not a joy and "peace that passes understanding"... one that lasts. Man's peace is always fleeting.
The end of the matter is this: trust what you are feeling. If you feel God is hiding from you, fall on your face and plead with Him to show himself. As to your "backslidings", it is impossible for one who has never received the holy Ghost to backslide, so let that condemnation placed on you by the doctrines of men be removed in the name of Jesus. God bless, and seek first the kingdom of God. All these things shall be added unto you.
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Hi, I was wondering if ya have anything on becoming a preacher, A friend of my is
interest in this. Please let me know. Thanks!!
Teresa
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Yes we have several good articles on this. I must point out that Jesus has never "called" any man to preach. You will not find this phrase in your Bible, although such things are claimed by many Christian ministers. It is vital that we find out whom Jesus has SENT... and there is a world of difference!
Anyway, here are some links to that topic within our page's articles, God bless and have a great day.
http://www.isaiah58.com/q_oftheweek16.html
(How Does One Find a Good Pastor?)
http://www.isaiah58.com/clark10_02_97.html
(God Has Not SENT Christian Ministers)
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Greetings,
I am the Pastor of a Pentecostal Church of God (Trinity Pentencostal) in Texarkana AR.
I just have one question. Is your belief Oneness or Trinity?
Thank You For Your Time.
Bro. J
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Thank you for your question, which is probably one of the most frequently asked questions we receive.
I will answer it, but first I must point out that we are striving to know the doctrine of God, not men. The doctrine as revealed by the holy Ghost, not the denominations of religion gone astray. The doctrine which unites God's people who have the holy Ghost, not divides them (Zep.3:9).
We are neither, because Jesus was neither. We are not oneness, and we are not trinitarian. We are the body of Christ, and we have been baptized into the body of Christ by the Spirit of God (1Cor.12:13), and any doctrine which divides God's people is contrary to the Spirit which Jesus died to purchase, and is contrary to the prayers of Jesus, "that we might be one".
Hope that answers your question. If we can do anything else to help you, please contact me.
Gary Savelli, Isaiah 58 Broadcast & Tracts
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
I spoke in tongues my 2'nd time in church 14 months ago, and have been searching for
truth since, always running into confusion; conflicting Christian views, and am becoming
weary of trying to learn of Christ and what the truth is. Your site sounds like it
holds "some"?! truth, but so has every one else's sounded true, until another opinion,
convicted by the holy spirit, comes along.
Please pray for me that this desperate cry and search for the truth leads me to it. I am
becoming very mentally tired of "trying to be or become a Christ follower". I'm not
surprised that so many people are not following Christ, there is too many truths and they
all conflict. I know in my heart that there has to be ONLY ONE truth, but which to
choose, I don't trust my human mind to that choice. Anyway I like your site. ---
Tina Boldt
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God's people everywhere are hearing a call, and it is the call of the Spirit. It is saying "come out of her my people" (Rev.18:1-4). God is calling those who have His spirit out of something. This is not a call to come out of the "world", because the world is not "his people". This is a call for God's people to come out of something they have gone into that is not the will of God - and that is "Christianity". A place where Jesus is worshipped, but not in spirit and in truth. Don't give up! You are on the "right track" - finally!
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Please answer my questions... My Pentecostal family can't or won't! A statement on the
first page I came to seemed to indicate that if I have never spoken in tongues (evidence)
that I am not saved. Can you back this up Biblically? Notice that many who were saved
did not start to speak in tongues, one example is the thief on the cross. Also, why is
it that Pentecostal missionaries go to language school just like other
missionaries of other faiths if they have the gift of speaking in
tongues?
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I will answer your second question first... which was, why do Pentecostal missionaries have to go to language school if they have the give of speaking with other tongues? The answer to that, is that God hasn't sent them to do what they are doing.
Beyond that, speaking in tongues is not to communicate anything to anyone, except to God and in (or "to") the church. Paul said "speaking in tongues is a sign to unbelievers" (1Cor.14); so the question must be asked: "a sign of what?" The answer is obvious, it is a sign of the right way in Christ. The other part of that is that speaking in tongues is "speaking unto God" (according to Paul), and "edifies the believer". And lastly, speaking in tongues is not a "gift". The gift is speaking in "diverse tongues" which is a gift for ministry. But speaking in tongues when receiving the holy Ghost is a sign of the covenant (Is.28:11-12; 1Cor.14:21-22), and occurs every time someone receives the Spirit of God.
That brings us to your first question, which is, "is a person saved who has not spoken in tongues?" The question must be asked "is a person saved who HAS spoken in tongues?" And the answer to both of these is "NO". Nobody is saved yet, because salvation is something Jesus will bring with him (1Pet.1:5,9); and is the "hope of the saints, which is not seen yet" (Rom.8).
For a good article on Christianity's false doctrine of "getting saved", see this link: http://www.isaiah58.com/whatissalvation.html and it will explain this in great detail with many scriptural references.
That brings us to the question you are really asking, and that is, "are you saying that a person is not "born again" without speaking in tongues", and the answer to that question is yes. A person is not born again until they receive the "Spirit" of God. In your example of the thief on the cross... he was not "saved", (and he could not have been born again), because the Spirit had not been given yet. It did not become available until the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. If you read Jesus description of the new birth (in John 3:1-8), you will see that you hear a "sound" of the Spirit (not the person) every time it comes into a person. This sound is speaking in other tongues. For a couple of good links, see these articles:
http://www.isaiah58.com/yemustbe.html (Ye must be Born again)
http://www.isaiah58.com/thechurch.html (The Church)
And there are many articles on our page (see our archives) that can answer all that you are wondering about. Hope this helps... if you need more clarification or would like scriptural references to anything else, just let me know. You may want to order our packet on "The New Birth" (http://www.isaiah58.com/order.html) God bless you. Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
I take exception to your argument that you can lose your salvation. Salvation
is a free gift. Our Lord Jesus would not give us a gift and then take it back.
We have everlasting life (John 3:16), (Romans 6:23). Believers will never
perish (John 10:28-29). Kept by the power of God (1 Peter 1:5). No, I most
earnestly disagree with your statement. --- Bill
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Many Christians errantly believe that "salvation" is the same as "conversion". Salvation (as it is taught in the scriptures) is NOT conversion. No apostle or writer of the scripture ever told of the day he "got saved". Conversion is being "born of the Spirit" (John 3:1-8), or "being baptized into the body of Christ" by the Spirit(1Cor.12:13). The truth is, that the converted can be lost (according to Jesus - Luk.12:46)., and will be lost if they do not obey the commandments of God (Rom2:8, Rom.6:16, 1Pet.4:17, etc....). Salvation is God's reward for the righteous, and is given in the END.
The bottom line? This doctrine of "secured salvation" is another stumbling block for the children of God; another "hiding place" for those who will not obey God and receive the baptism of the holy Ghost (with the evidence of speaking in other tongues), which God gives to all who obey him (Acts 5:32); another way to have an "appearance of righteousness" without the substance of it.
That's as straight as I can put it to you, with references, and the sincere will love it. Hope that helps, it is sent with the love of God.
Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S QUESTION:
Is there, in Gainesville Fl., a body of Christ where I can bring my
family to hear the "Truth"? We've been going to a Vineyard fellowship.
Help! Charles Darbyshire
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1) Forsake what is wrong. Get out of what is killing you spiritually.
2) Where to go? You're already there!
We are to worship Christ in "Spirit and in truth"... that means NOT to worship him in "the flesh and in lies". One need not go anywhere to "hear" the truth, although, the truth is, when we obey God, He will join us together with others who love truth, in His time. "Let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together..." This is not a command to go to a building where the truth is not. It is a command to allow the Spirit of God assemble us together as GOD sees fit, and WHEN He sees fit. It is GOD who assembles the body through the holy Ghost, not men trying to assemble a body without the holy Ghost...
When you love the truth with your whole heart, you will suffer for it. When you love the truth, and you suffer, you will not strike back nor wish others evil. When you suffer for the truth, only then will be ready to have some fellowship, for our fellowship is "in his sufferings". Bottom line? Get alone with God... spend your time doing the things that build your faith - pray in the holy Ghost. Repent of sin. Love the brethren. Stand for what is right with humility. That's what you have been doing anyway, for that is what prepares the human heart to receive the truth.
God bless.... be patient, and "be not weary in well doing". You are doing well! Give it time - it will all come together. Gary Savelli
RECENT VIEWER'S COMMENTS: (Items sent to us in past weeks)
I want to Thank You for your web site. Keep up the good work.
I was raised as a child in the United Pentecostal type church, Apostolic.
As I got I've already received the New Birth Set and the Sampler Set...Words cannot
describe the truth that has been revealed through these tracts and tapes!
(so I won't even try to do it...it would only ruin it). I have been
dragged through so much false doctrine, I look back and want to vomit.
I have truly been encouraged by these sets. I made copies and passed everything on to
the father of my girlfriend and he seems to be warming up to God's truth a bit too! (not
so at first). So, in short, thank you! I always knew things weren't right between God and
me, even though someone always seemed to be telling me so. When I receive the
baptism, I will be sure to
you all know. Thank you again. Taylor Caldwell, North Carolina
Please can you help me. I received your tracts and sampler tape and it
really got me thinking. I speak in tongues, but truly I thought that we
were saved by grace, and not works. I thought that no matter how much we
did here on earth, we could never make our way to heaven by works. Only
the grace of God, through the sacrifice of Jesus did this. Please explain.
Also do you have any information on Divorce? What is God's view on this?
Also if a person really does believe in the Lord and lives their entire
life for Jesus, but is not baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence
of speaking in tongues, are they saved or will they be saved? I agree with
so much of what you have said in your tracts, but I have been brought up in
the main-line churches and now attend a Pentecostal church, so I suppose I
have been taught one thing and believe one thing and now your information
is making me think and search for the real truth.
There are many things that personally I don't agree with, in the fellowship
that I attend. For example, they are having an enormous building fund (for
millions of dollars) and I feel the congregation are almost being
manipulated into giving for this. But yet people in the congregation are
mainly from the low income group and are really struggling. Please help
me. God Bless you. Thanks for all your info.
Phyllis Whippy - Brisbane, Australia.
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I just found this information today, so this is my first time ordering from you. I
appreciate the free samples. I know a lot of people that don't believe in speaking in
other tongues. I know the truth because I am Holy Ghost filled with the evidence of
speaking in other tongues. If you could also send me a copies of other tracts and tapes
that you have, I would be very appreciative. I am not very good on the Internet, but I
am learning. Please send what you have available. GOD BLESS.
Geraldine
Hopson, Landover MD
Dear sirs:
Nicodemus came to Jesus by night in the Book of St John and the 3rd
chapter. He wanted to ask a question to Jesus but he did not know how
to put it. Jesus read his heart and said that you must be born again.
Nicodemus asked how can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter into
his mother's womb and second time and be born. Jesus told him that he
had to be born of the water and the spirit.
I do not know what doctrine you seem to be broadcasting over the
Internet but it is false and you need prayer. The bible says in ACTS
2:38 that Peter said "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus for Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive
the gift of the Holy Ghost"
God is one God as Deuteronomy 6:4 tells the children of Israel and us
today. I have a question for you. Who was Jesus's father? The Holy Ghost or
God? The Bible says both because the Holy Ghost is God. Jesus is the
one and true God and I hope that you come to the knowledge of the truth.
I hope that God opens your eyes and tell Mr John Clark (Junior or
Senior) that he needs prayer because his eyes have been blinded to the
truth. Much learning without the spirit has affected his brain.
Stop spreading false doctrine. God is ONE, if only you people could get
the revelation of this and stop trying to split God up into two and
three persons. God can manifest himself in many ways. I Timothy 3:16 says
that "great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh...."
What more proof do you need that Jesus is God? St John 1:1-14 also proves
that Jesus is God. Colossians 1:19;2:9 also proves that Jesus is God.
Isaiah 9:6 proves it also. Please reply. Shaun Campbell, UK
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