Interview with Gavin HopperAugust 13, 1997 Relevant transcript of an interview with Gavin Hopper during the ATP Pilot Pen International
JOE LYNCH: This is Gavin Hopper
who coaches Mark Philippoussis who is the number 3
seed here, and also works with Amanda Coetzer who is
presently number 5 in the WTA tour rankings. He's also
worked with numerous pros, he's an expert for Tennis magazine
in fitness and he's here to answer your questions.
QUESTION: Gavin, there are
some people that say the influence of players like Mark on
the game is kind of a double-edged sword because he has
such a powerful serve. What do you guys think about that?
HOPPER: I think you're right.
I think there is. I mean, I'm first to admit that I sit
out there and watch men's doubles and I find that a fairly
boring match. People say there's a few good rallies
here and there, but it's service dominated and when I'm
coaching the best server in the game, obviously I like
to have a server's dominated game. However I also see
that I coach Amanda Coetzer, who is at the other end
of the spectrum, if you like to say. She has to put the
ball back in 30 times every rally to win a point. So I'm
looking at both ends of the spectrum here. You're right,
it is a double-edged sword. I feel that Mark, himself,
his personality and the explosiveness of his game, he's
a great benefit to tennis. However, I have seen times
during this year that he's untouchable on the court and
therefore the tennis is not tennis any more, it's just one-hit
shots and no one can touch him in the world. If he
ever gets that together, that could hurt tennis
a little bit, because he serves it, you can't touch his serve,
when he played Corretja in the final of Munich back
in April, April or May, and his last set, his final
set against Corretja, his serve was virtually untouchable
and out of the last 12 points I think he might have served
10 aces and two touched balls and Corretja just put
his racquet down and said, "I can't -- what could
I do? I can't see his serve. I can't touch it."
So it is, and I understand that. I also look at it and you look at the top
15 rankings, though, I would think there's
service dominated guys, there's probably four guys
in the top 15. So everyone's got a good serve, because
everyone is improving technically their serve,
but I think if you look at it, there is far more ground
stroke dominated guys than service dominated guys.
QUESTION: Do you want to make
sure that he doesn't rely so much on that big serve?
Like it's interesting to note that in the team competition,
when he hit that record serve, he didn't win that
match, did he?
HOPPER: No, it was a pretty
tight march, 7-6 in the third to Costa.
QUESTION: And again in the
French Open, against Kafelnikov. Kafelnikov said, "Well
he was just relying on that, but it was so windy, it
wasn't working for him and I won."
HOPPER: During the past six
months where he's had his best results, let's say, I have
noticed that at various times there has been a reliance
on that serve. I've got full faith that his game
is a total game and I think everyone understands that.
He also -- I can't go back and say to him, I want you to
play like Amanda Coetzer plays and fight for every
point and scramble every point and get the ball back.
That's not the way he operates. That's not the way I expect him to
play. That's not the way he's going to
take his game to the next level. However, at times, and it may
be youth, or it may be conditions like a windy day, he can
-- that timing may slightly be off and sometimes he
doesn't revert to just scrambling points, he wants to keep
trying, because he's got this belief in himself. And
against Kafelnikov at the French Open was a classic case.
We all know the French Open was a winable tournament
for anyone and he was playing well at the time, a very,
very windy day, the occasion on center court, just went
out there and just tried to hit the ball so hard and
Kafelnikov only had to put two balls back in the court and
it was a disappointing effort, sure. But
I've also seen him go out there and he's won three tournaments
this year on three different surfaces and play
the tennis he believes he can play all the time.
QUESTION: Do you think that
the equipment is now too advanced? Do you think it should
take a step back in the racquet technology?
HOPPER: I'm old enough to grow
up with wooden racquets, I suppose you know. Look,
I'm not sure whether I am an opponent, for or against
that whole technology change. I see that the classic case
is most people can serve big with a wooden racquet anyhow,
as Mark makes a very good point in a number interviews.
He says, "If I was serving well, if someone was
using a wooden racquet or a smaller headed racquet, no one
is going to return the ball." Whereas, what it's
given at least in today's tennis the ability of a player to
make returns. So I don't think we can stop the technology
rising over the years, but I think that we can --
the games will adjust themselves. I think once you find
them -- I mean, I've been nine years out here and I'm
finding it an incredible improvement in athletic performance.
My background is in both tennis and fitness, so having
tried to tie both of them together I'd say it's been a
fantastic improvement over the past 8 or 9 years, especially
in men's tennis and I think, hopefully, I've helped
change that in the women's tennis, taking Amanda Coetzer
to a different level of fitness, that in the next
six or seven years you'll see the same sort of improvement
in the women's game athletically. If you're not a great athlete
these days you can't compete in men's tennis and I think
you probably could previously purely because of your
skill level. I really don't think that's possible these
days.
QUESTION: Will you talk a little
bit about that in terms of you mentioned the huge contrast
in styles between your two clients there.
HOPPER: Yes.
QUESTION: How is it as a coach?
I mean how do you kind of go between working with Mark and working with Amanda? Are there things that are
in common between them, or is it totally different?
HOPPER: I suppose one of the
things people -- when they talk about me as a coach on
a league level, a criticism that can be made, or a
question that can be put over my head is that I didn't play
at that level and I'm always the one to say, "Yes,
I can't walk into a U.S. Open final and know what it feels
like." On the other side of the coin, I have no preconceived
ideas how someone should exactly hit the ball,
except that we try to get that person that I'm working
with as a better player. If I can't improve at any
point in time when I'm coaching someone, that particular
person, I therefore have to sit down and say, "Well,
look, we're not going anywhere." I've been fortunate over the
years. We've had good success with the people I've worked
with, but at this point in time I have one player who
is potentially the number one player in the world, who
is a high maintenance sort of person because he's 20 and
we've got to keep him on track, but he's low intensity
practice wise. He needs no more than an hour on the court,
or an hour, perhaps two hours a day maximum. I have
another person who is very low maintenance, who really
looks after herself very well, but needs four hours on the
court every day to hit balls and groove herself. The common
denominator that I look for in that whole equation when
I'm trying to coach people, two people from, for sure,
different ends of the spectrum and different sexes, which
you have to take into account when you're training someone
on a physical basis, is that I want that person to improve,
technically, physically and mentally; three areas
that are the key areas. Now, if you as a coach address
each one of those areas and say what the needs of the
person is, you'll always come up with a formula right
for that particular person. I don't need to work any
technical work with Mark Philippoussis. I think anyone
sitting here can go out and coach Mark Philippoussis
on a technical basis. The guy hits the ball as well as
anyone in the world, but he needs -- you know, we obviously
need other things to go into the equation rather than
just being a technical coach. Amanda Coetzer, three years
ago now, we made a decision to reconstruct her game
to give her a bit more power. She had to run with the whole
faith that was going to work. She was 15 to 20
in the world and we had to say -- she had to believe in what
I was saying to her that two years down the track this
will all pay off. That's a hard thing for a pro to
actually look at that and say maybe two years down the
track it will pay off. Now she's sitting 5 in the world
and having a great year. That's all, in retrospect, to say
that it works. But so a player has to have that faith in
what you're doing in the long term plan.
QUESTION: Gavin, do you think
that the U.S. Open is the slam that Philippoussis will
make a breakthrough in and do you think it could be this
year?
HOPPER: I thought he could
win the French, to be honest. I don't think he can win
Wimbeldon at this stage. He's got a couple of areas
of his game still got to improve a little bit better.
Even though everyone knows he's got a great serve, I don't
think he's capable of winning Wimbeldon tomorrow. I
think that may come. But I think hard court will probably
be his best chance and that will be the Australian Open
or the U.S. Open. That's the first question. The second one was can he do
it this year. He knows and I know he's capable
of winning any tournament and that's for sure, that's
not -- I don't think we're deceiving anyone in saying
that, or we're just estimating above his ability.
He can win every tournament he walks into because
he's good enough to. However, he's yet to prove himself
over two weeks and that is -- we all know that's a big,
big jump from winning week-to-week tournaments
and then year in year out proving yourself at Grand Slam
level, which I would think your career is based -- I mean,
I would think for a tennis player this way. I talked
to someone like Amanda who I coached for three years, your
career is based on how many tournaments you win and
how your performances in Grand Slams go. She's had -- for
the last two years, she's had an outstanding record in
Grand Slams, semifinals and quarterfinals and
pretty well everywhere except Wimbeldon. Now, Mark has yet to pass the
fourth round in any Grand Slam. I would think if we
can get passed the fourth round, he's an incredibly
dangerous player at the U.S. Open. To get him through that
first week is, for me, the little tough part. Just
making sure on the day that he perhaps has a little down
match, either mentally or physically down, that he gets
through it somehow. Like he's done this year. If he
gets a little sniff of a victory, he could be fairly hard
to stop if we can get him into the Monday of the second
week. If we can get him into September...
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