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Thu, 9 Dec 2004 My Dear Hilary, SEASONS GREETING TO YOU ALL. Thank you for your useful email.Our Annual Report 2003 will soon reach you.I am planning a team to visit you early next year.This i believe will boost both organisations.It will be good for us to work together than just communicating.If we can get at list one volunteer/intern from HULL FOE working with us for a period of time each year it will be great. I would like both groups to work on a sound partnership programme.It is time we put practicality to our relationship.I am sure there are several opportunities out there for that.It is not good for you to just sit out there talking with us here with out coming to see or work with us.Please try and do something. I will get in touch with you again. Once again I Wish you all A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.
OLATUNDE JOHNSON
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Fri, 3 Dec 2004 I'm concerned about ERCC trying to sneak incinerators in. I live in Snaith near Goole and am trying to get an environmental group together - primarilly to develop a permaculture garden but also to educate the local population on ecological matters. I was thinking about writing a coouple of letters to local papers regarding incineration and the other option of zero waste and more recycling. I've got the news articles on your web site. Any advice? Where does the debate stand at the moment? Any good points to make that i might not be aware of? Thanks Keep up the good work
Nigel Punton
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Tue, 30 Nov 2004 We have suddenly found ourselves faced with an attempt to steam roller through the council, a BPEO making incineration and 6 incinerators almost inevitable. In the short time available, we need to prove that there is an acceptable alternative. I know that there are other campaigners who have this situation, or who WILL have it. Is anyone interested in quickly forming a distinct ‘group’ with the sole specific short-term aim, of working out how we stop incineration being the choice ‘proven’ through BPEO? Time is so short because I believe that if any of us allows such a BPEO through, in our area, we can give up our particular fight and go home.
Barry Robinson
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In a message dated 27/11/04 Dear FOE FAMILY. I am very worried as a result of our brake in communication.However things has been put right here so that effective communication can now take place.How are you all doing?How are your programmes and campaigns? As you know the challenges are great and many.Therefore you have to have the determination and commitment to achieve you goals.It is my responsibility therefore I must not run from it.He who run away will have to fight another day.And so the struggles continue.My thoughts are always with you. As soon as I hear from you I will send you our Annual Report 2003.I look forward to see a much stronger working relationship in the coming years.Thank you. My very best Regards to all of you.
Olatunde Johnson(FOESL
Also interesting to see in HullDM on Thursday that the council's legal advisor admits that incineration is written into the contract with WRG ..if so, why did they bother with the questionnaire at all?
Sue
Stephen
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Mon, 29 Nov 2004 Dear Olatunde and all at FOESL, It is lovely to hear from you again. I know that everyone who visited you from Hull last year was very impressed with all the good work you are managing to do in spite of many difficulties, so we would love to get your annual report to bring us up to date. Here in Hull the focus of our campaigning is still mostly on how waste should be dealt with. Our local Councils want to do this mainly by burning the waste but we want to see most of it dealt with by a mixture of reuse, recycling and composting. The Councils have introduced more recycling, thanks partly to our efforts, but there is still a long way to go. We have been operating a small scale scheme to collect garden waste [in an old electrically operated vehicle] and compost it on our allotments. There are many more people wanting to use our services than we can manage so we hope we have proved to the Councils that they need to operate a similar scheme. Hull FOE members have also established a wildlife garden on other redundant allotments and have also been growing trees to plant out in the city. Meanwhile a spin-off group from Hull FOE is setting up a larger scale composting activity which aims to establish a market garden to encourage people to grow and eat healthy organic vegetables and fruit. There is a lot of concern here that people are eating too much junk food which is making them fat. All in all, I'm afraid many of our country's problems are those of affluence! Another strand to Hull FOEactivities is that we organise a 'Green Fair' twice a year where local environmental groups and crafts people come together to raise funds, exchange news and enjoy themselves. Our home made soup and cakes were certainly popular on a cold Saturday last week.
I'm sure our members would like to have a closer working relationship with your group. It has proved difficult in the past to send equipment or money to you, but possibly the links through the universities might be useful.
Love from Hilary,
*[See accompanying message dated 9 Dec 04 for reply]
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Sat, 27 Nov 2004 RE: Sustainable Communities Bill Would support Hull FOE supporting this. Establishes a link with rural communities and communities in regeneration areas, the post offices and schools issue particularly. Should particularly encourage shared use of buildings; pubs can also be shops and post offices, schools can also be community centres. [And of course it keeps historic buildings in use.]
Hilary
It's supported by CAMRA, and the main focus is on stopping the big pub companies ("pubcos") from forcing pubs and small breweries to get their guest beers supplied via the pubcos' central warehouses. At present, beer from the small local brewery goes to the regional distribution central (hulking great lorry), and is then trucked back out (hulking great lorry).
CAMRA and the Campaign for the Sustainable Communities Bill
argue that the small local brewery should be able to deliver direct to the small local pub. OK, it won't be on a cart with two brass-bedecked shire horses (dream on), but it would make for fewer, shorter, lorry trips. Better for us, better for the environment.
But the provisions of the bill are not limited to beer. There are other things in life. It would require all government departments or public bodies that propose to close buildings or shut down services to assess the social and environmental impact, inform parish and community councils, residents and community-based associations, and take account of their objections.
If I understand aright, it would make it harder to close schools and post offices. And the Bill would keep the door open to alternative providers.
The thinking behind the Bill is that services should be kept local and that communities should retain the things that keep them viable. Like pubs.
Action: lobby local councils and your MP. There's a stack of newsletters if you want: we'll bring to next meeting.
Stephen
"Bikes for all
Stephen
Or contact Stuart Ashton for paper copy.
Anyone volunteering to comment?
Stephen
The audience will be made up of the people who spoke out against Foster St. If you let this opportunity pass, Enviros will claim that they have consulted everyone who mattered.
(I can’t go as I will be in Manchester).
However, if you make the offer to various newspapers that you will send them an account of the meeting, together with photos, (and there should be some fireworks), I’m sure that you will get a sympathetic write-up in the East Riding Gazette, Holderness Gazette, Yorkshire Post, Hull Daily Mail, Goole Times, and Bridlington Free Press. (I doubt if these papers will be allowed in, and I can’t imagine them sending a reporter anyway).
Why don’t you consider exchanging photos, say?
Useful e-mail addresses are,
m.needham@eastridinggazette.co.uk
Barry
Barry Robinson
Can I make a suggestion?
I feel the document is valuable. I will appreciate ANY criticism of it in order to improve it. My problem has been to produce a concise, readable document that does not bore you to death. I intend to start, this afternoon, to produce a detailed back up.
Very important, As described in an article in Hull Daily Mail, I have discovered that, anyone can ask any number of neighbours for their unused copies of the questionnaire, fill all in with ones OWN comments, and then send the questionnaires off as if the person whose name appears on it, had filled it in. I see NO way in which this scam can be detected. Can you?
I believe this parallels fears that postal voting in elections can be rigged. Who is to say that someone else has not used the idea, and has already skewed the results? Don't forget that it might only need a hundred such to change the technology which wins. Do you feel that this is important? (Tell me if I haven't explained it properly).
I believe that we all need to
Write to Enviros, and the councilors and officers whose names appear on the questionnaires, pointing this out. Will you encourage all your colleagues to do this. Also, I feel we all need to write, possibly in a separate letter, to the same people explaining that we feel the process is faulty, using any of the weaknesses I've exposed. PLEASE keep a copy of any letter you send, but most important, let me have a copy. I ask this, until there is a proper campaign up and running, with someone taking over.
I suggest that we explain that we cannot fill in our questionnaires because of the reasons given. A vital thing you can all do is write to Hull Daily Mail, more importantly Yorkshire Post, telling everything.
I do not mean to appear to know the answers, but I hope you'll help. It is vital that we all do all we can, as it is clear that both councils will be quite happy if someone gets an incinerator
Barry Robinson
Sue
Stephen
Barry
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Fri, 26 Nov 2004 Hi Stephen, Fairtrade is 100% aligned with this. Two major aspects: Minimising travel distances for UK sourced food, and attempting to protect, where appropriate, the livelihood of UK farmers against the aggressive actions of the global behemoths like Tesco. Assessing the “triple bottom line”. Company law only requires financial reporting, but responsible organizations report social and environmental impact of their activities as well.
Maybe we should be encouraging more pubs to brew their own beer. Standards might be a bit variable but it would make life interesting.
Peter Church
Martin
Samantha
(Aromatica)
Topics: how to get across Castle Street and how to keep traffic moving on Castle Street. Mike Killoran and John Morfin shouted at each other about the pedestrian bridge that wasn't.
Then, parking spaces. The North Park and Ride 'around Dinswell roundabout) has priority over the Eastern P&R.
Stephen
If you decide you will need to book a FoE table with Hitchcock's or
you can come with us or the Hull Veggies. Obviously if you come with us you must stick to the vegan options.
Hope you are well and thanks for all the work done for our
environment.
Best regards,
I also received details from Ecology Building Soc. about the Phone Co-op but found that it does not cover 0800 numbers, so as i use one to go online, this accounts for about half my calls. I'm sure the scheme is beneficial to people who use a phone alot but if i have to still pay line rental plus 0800 calls then it would certainly not be worthwhile for me and presumably others in a similar situation.
To the people running the CARGO scheme; if they are looking for pallets, i used to find if you went around the Humber Street area (the best time was on a sunday morning) there are usually discarded pallets everywhere, often broken but probably still useful.
I am fit and well, still enjoying working on the trains.
John Walford
‘Whilst we are frantically fighting the consultation process, Integrated Waste Management have submitted a third modification of their planning application for Humberfield to ERYC
Now, theoretically, we can not stop them doing this, but, really, what is the ordinary resident going to think about this ‘coincidence’, when it is publicized?
Two serious ‘attacks on our democratic rights’, ie we have to fight 2 campaigns over a five week period of peak public holiday.
Please, please point out to CEO Stephenson, that the reputation of ERYC just at the moment, doesn’t need to get any lower.
Please also, will you see what you can do to delay its consideration by Planning to, at least, give us a sporting chance?
If either of, the present consultation, or the Humberfield application, are allowed through, then ERYC will have made a complete mockery of justice.
Give us a chance to oppose, maybe be defeated. If we are, we do have the ability to admit defeat gracefully.
Barry Robinson
I feel that we have a real problem, and honestly I don’t know the answer.
One ERYC councilor has categorically said that, if the process is allowed to go to conclusion, we will INEVITABLY have an incinerator, and because Enviros can claim to have consulted us, we will not be able to stop it at a subsequent public inquiry..
Sorry, Hilary, I think going along with the present consultation asks for us to come to grief
Will others please comment?
PS. I must repeat that if you do get someone to talk about waste, get Paula Whitney. Don’t go for the top names. They haven’t a clue.
Barry
Stephen
As if !
What I do not understand is why the need was felt to have a door by door delivery of questionnaires on just this issue. Is the implication that the task is beyond the competence of our elected representatives, of whatever political shade ? Or is it yet another "let's consult, it's August and they are all away, nobody looks at E Riding Pravda anyway, but we can say we have consulted, blame public apathy, and get away with the incinerator we wanted in the first place" exercise ? I recall the referendum on that most spellbinding of subjects, whether or not to have a Town Council in Beverley, was also artfully arranged for this time of year.
Cynical, moi ?
J
Olatunde Johnson(FOESL)
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