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Did Spielberg get the name (Upham) from the New Zealander, Charles Hazlitt Upham? Totally unlike the SPR character, Charles Upham was a fantastically brave, and seemingly fearless, infantry officer who earned a Victoria Cross with Bar. He was captured by the Germans near the end of the Battle of Ruweisat, and at one point during his captivity, had 2 machine guns assigned to guard him!! His escape attempts were so numerous that he was transferred to Colditz where he spent the rest of the war. His exploits are well worth reading about.
The book about him is entitled, "Mark of the Lion." DL Chute
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What amazes me about the movie is speed of the bureaucratic organization. S. Ryan, the third brother of James is killed on 6 June (D-DAY). Miller dies on 13 June (see headstone at end of movie). Miller and team set out at the latest on 12 June as there looks to be a day, one night in and one day after they set out. So between 6 June and 12
June S. Ryan must have been reported dead (amongst about 1500 or so other us soldier who died at D-day, let alone the 1900 who went missing). Then it has to be discovered that he had two brothers, then the message has to be reported up the hierarchy all the way to Marshall. Then he has to arrange that a unit will be sent to pick up Ryan. All this in 6 days!!!
Arno Lutter
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In
the scene where they come across the Glider LZ after Wade puts the dogtags away
and Miller starts calling out if anyone knowns Ryan a young kid walks by which
is no big deal but later as the man who knows the guy who had a German grenade
go off right by his ear the same kid walks by. AFIrpirates
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I have read and agreed with a lot of comments of
this movie. saving private ryan is simply in my opinion a lesson in
ambiance. What I mean is; it should never be used as a historical
reference. It is a movie. It gives you sights and sounds. If
one wants to actually learn, books written by or at least contributed to, by the
men that were there are the way to go. My great uncle was an airborne
engineer with the 326th Bat. of the 101st airborne Div. I learned of his
experiences by reading carefully selected books. Not movies. Not
even the famed Band of Brothers. Blackltac
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One thing that really bothered me about this film
and almost any other film that involved German troops during this time period
(i.e. Cross of Iron, Battle of the Bulge, etc.) is the lack of panzerfausts.
There is a fleeting shot of a panzerschreck in Ryan, but I doubt that it was
real. I have one in my collection and the thing is damn heavy. It looks as if
the extra is handling it a little too easily. Can anyone who was in the film
as an extra let us know if the panzerschreck was real? There should have
been at least one scene with troops carrying a Panzerfaust 30 Klein or the early
Panzerfaust 60. Steve Hoza
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One area of the movie that bothered me was the scene
where the squad was going through the open field before the german track was hit
by the bazoka fire. No infantryman would cross an open area like that!
An MG 42 in the treeline could have cut them to pieces. A true
Ranger/Infantryman would know better than that. Bill
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I was always under the impression that Mellish,
"Fish," spoke German. Because when the Rangers were in a way
interrogating "Steamboat Willie" for killing Wade, Mellish had to
ask Upham to tell the German machine gunner if he was the one who shot
wade. Quoted in the film as, "Ask this piece of sh*t, if he's
the one who shot Wade. Ask him!" N
Waller
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In the later years of WWII,
like in Normandy, I think they had the M-1 Carbine with the bayonet lug
on it. I've seen a movie on WWII Normandy that the man had bayonet lugs
on their Carbines. Please tell me if I'm right or wrong, Thank
you. Paul Gurtler
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I know the moviemakers tried,
but several things that drove me nuts about the depiction of the paratroopers
were the inaccurate, huge-mesh camouflage helmet nets most of them wore,
the way-too-dark-brown-that-looked-black jump boots, the backwards use
of the challenge/password "Flash/Thunder," the comically pudgy and vaudeville-style
wisecracking sergeant, the usage of the modern-day SWAT/Special Forces
terminology ("Clear up! Clear down!"), and what I consider the worst of
all, Ted Danson as the "Oldest Living Pathfinder," on the down side of
50, and all gotten up in 82nd Airborne-style camouflaged jumpsuit and Sicily-era
camouflaged (netless) helmet. They did get it right occasionally, though.
The guy playing the paratrooper that waits in a room to detonate the strung-together
Hawkins mines looks totally authentic top to bottom, one of the few in
the movie who does.
D Cook
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I thought the film was a good
story, and as war films go it was magnificently executed. "War movies"
have, in general always portrayed the primary characters as "larger than
life" and acting in ways most of us that have actually been shot at wouldn't
even think of doing "at the time". Sure, its easy to dream of "How I should
have acted", and I think that overall that is "O.K." as far as taking the
"bite' out of how we really felt.
Johnny O
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The tube-like explosive weapon
used on Dog Green was called a Bangalore Torpedo. The weapon was a 'remote'
method of delivering a fixed explosive charge, with less risk of exposing
oneself to enemy fire, to knock out bunkers, static defenses, (maybe even
tanks ?) etc. The first section of tube had the head with the explosive
charge mounted on it. Other sections of tube could be screwed on to give
a greater range. The charge was set off by a lanyard. The weapon was developed
by the British at its military arsenal at Bangalore, in India. I believe
it was used by British special forces, the British Army and perhaps also
by the Home Guard (during the German invasion scare years?)
L
N Gown
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1) I thought US paratroops wore
Stars & Stripes brassards on their right upper arms for D-Day as a
friendly recognition symbol, yet only one or two in the movie are wearing
them. I realize this would also make it easier for Germans to tell friend
from foe, but D-Day period photos show either the large cloth patch brassard
sewn onto the upper arm or else the 'pin-on' waterproof fabric wrap-around
type, in common use for D-Day, both by the 82nd and 101st, so other allies
wouldn't shoot at them. Maybe the SPR-paras had removed them to present
a less obvious target?
2) Real pre-invasion photos
show various 101st members with the famous Mohawk-style haircut, which
presumably was as an elite group recognition 'thing', yet in the movie,
they are totally absent.
3) Famous D-Day period photos
show 101st paratroops being presented informally to Gen Eisenhower and
they all have very heavily blacked-out faces and necks (like Al Jolson).
Yet, all the paras in the movie ( first seen around D Day+3), who have
been in constant action since 5/6th June, have had time to scrub off every
trace of blacking.
4) I do not actually know,
but were there actually bearded paratroops in the US Army at the time ?
Jimmy Ryan's NCO sported a full red set. I thought only the Navy etc allowed
full beards and that the army only allowed moustaches (excluding troops
in prolonged action such as Far East/Pacific)
L
N Gow
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In the scene where the airborne
Sgt sits down on the board and it crashes through the wall, there is a
close up shot of Miller (who was surprised) raising his Thompson to aim
at the Germans, then in another zoomed out view, he is facing in another
direction, then turns and pulls it up again. I guess they didn't edit the
double scene.
Sarge
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I was
very very impressed that SPR was probably the first movie to show on so
many occasions the M-1 Garand rifle clips ejecting w/the distinctive 'ping'
noise that it really does make. However, did anyone else listen closely
& hear that same 'ping' noise during the climactic end battle scene
in Remel when Sgt. Horvath was firing his M-1 carbine & it ran out
of ammo? The M-1 carbine doesn't make such a 'ping noise' because it has
a detachable/fixed box magazine! Also, why would a Sgt. in the Rangers
be carrying an M-1 carbine? Especially a veteran like Horvath who has been
in combat since North Africa -- Kasserine Pass to be exact & would
surely know of it's very limited stopping power. He instead would be packing
a Thompson sub-machine gun or an M-1 Garand rifle. Furthermore, Cpl. Upham
would not have been issued an M-1 Garand rifle, for as a member of the
rear echelon, he should have have been packing the M-1 carbine for he was
the type of person that it was designed for. A personal note--my uncle
was a Technical Corporal in the ETO during the war and he was a map-maker
just like Cpl. Upham. I have photos of him 'moving-up the line' in France
on D+2 and he is shouldering an M-1 carbine, his issued weapon. Incidentally
the carbine is a weapon that is still pretty neat despite it's draw-backs.
kingdoof
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The mistake
I seen occurred during the scene where the War Department clerks discover
the letters about the brothers deaths. The one-armed Colonel is wearing
a Second Infantry Division former wartime service shoulder sleeve insignia
AKA combat patch. The problem with this is that the Second Infantry Division
did not enter combat until June 7, 1944. The Colonel may have been in combat
with the division in the First World War, but that would have been twenty-six
years ago. The Colonel did not look old enough to have been a W.W.I veteran.
Edward
V. Mulvaney
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What that
pipe-like weapon is called that is assembled on the beach, then ignited
and pushed over the sandbank? They used it in the Big Red One also. Bangoleer,
or something like that they said. I am a weapons buff, but not an educated
one. J.R.
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The thing
that bothered me most about this otherwise excellent movie is that the
basic premise is all wet. "Earn this!" Supposedly Miller's
squad underwent much sacrifice trying to save Ryan and they continuously
complained that "...he better be worth it." Did they risk any more or fight
any more than they would have if they had stayed with their original units?
Capt. Miller would never have admonished Ryan to "Earn This." No
Captain would have hung that on a soldier, even if it were a valid conclusion,
which it wasn't. tomdanl
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[Reply
to tomdanl: After the fourth time I watched SPR, it hit home
to me why they used the whole "Earn it" premise. It occurred to me that,
as the old Ryan is speaking to Miller's grave, he says "I hope, in your
eyes, I have earned what all of you have done for me". This is a classic
Spielberg allegory, the old Ryan is really speaking for every living, breathing
American alive today, thanking all those who sacrificed their lives, and
the "Earn it" line was necessary to set this up. M.
Sadler]
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I recently
remodeled part of a house for an old WW2 pilot named Harry Knisely. I enquired
about his past and he showed me his medals and flying cross etc. He flew
56 missions over Germany in a P-47. He had 11 citations of honor. He said,
"You know that movie.. Private Ryan? Well, that was really realistic, the
beginning of the movie on the beach." Then he said, "You know, at the end
when the planes came and took out the Germans at the bridge, well, that
was us" - meaning him and his fellow pilots. Mark
Korzeniewski
- [Reply to Korzeniewski:
First of all the planes were not P-47, they were P-51 and second, Romelle
is a fictitious place in France. Put that in your pipe and smoke it,
and tell the same thing to that geezer Harry, and also tell him that
he must be suffering from some sort of brain disease that makes him
believe he actually was in the movie, and he should go back to the
"home" before he misses the Bingo tournament. It's okay
Mark, we all make mistakes, remember Hitler? N.
Waller]
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Waller: Are you
for real? What kind of person are you to criticse a person in such a
way who gave you the right to say that! He probably just meant
that he was one of the pilots involved in D-day and not at that
specific fictional battle. Neil
HOLMES]
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As an
Englishman, I have become used to war films being "AMERICAN" but the worst
offenders by far are The Great Escape (not a single yank there!), Battle
of the Bulge (read your history books), Escape To Victory (with an American
goalkeeper, yeah right). I feel that filmmakers have to put an American
slant on it purely for the sake of the box office. But if the English think
they get a raw deal off of Hollywood they should bare a thought for the
Polish, the only films I have ever seen them in is A Bridge Too far and
the Battle of Britain. Yet it was the Poles who captured Monte Cassino,
and closed the Falaise Gap with horrendous losses. Spencer
Reeves
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The film is about a 8 man
American unit and their story, not a documentary. Think about it you are in
combat do you care about a: staying alive or b: what is happening 100 miles
away? Neil HOLMES]
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For Miller's
groups journey up to Neuville at the far northern edge of the American
front, to Ryan's 506th drop zone (few miles inland of the southern edge
of Utah beach), to a town on the Mederet river on the western edge of the
American front, would have Miller's group criss-crossing over an area that
at the time of D+3 or D+4 would have been crawling with American units.
Riddiford
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Did the
2nd Rangers actually land on Omaha Beach, I thought they just landed at
Pointe du hoc?
ATCBAT2
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[Reply
to ATCBAT2: The 2nd Ranger Battalion
landed at Point Du Hoc not DOG GREEN SECTOR OMAHA BEACH. Scooby9833]
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[Reply
to Scooby9833: You are flat out wrong,
Scooby9833. The 2nd Ranger Battalion was split into 3 Ranger Forces on
the morning of D-Day. Ranger Force A, consisting of a HQ attachment and
D, E and F Companies, 2nd Rangers, one Naval Shore Fire Control Party (NSFCP)
were to land at Pointe du Hoc (D Company on the west side, the rest on
the east; though they were off course on approach and ran west parallel
to shore for a while. They all landed on the east side). Force B was C
Co 2nd Rangers whose mission was to land at Dog Green on H-Hour with a
combat team from the 116th Infantry Regiment, 29th Infantry Division and
advance rapidly to the western flank of Dog Green and scale the cliffs
of Pointe et Raz de la Percee, destroying any installations located there.
Force C, consisting of he entire 5th Rangers, an NSFCP, an air support
party, and Co A & B of the 2nd Rangers, were to follow C Co Rangers
between H + 28 mins. and H + 30 mins., pending the outcome of the attack
at Pointe du Hoc. As they approached the beach, conditions were so bad
on Dog Green that they turned east towards Dog White, but A & B Co.
still went in on the edge of Dog Green. SPR was obviously trying to portray
2nd Ranger C Co.'s landing, as they landed at H-Hour that morning (after
A Co. 116th). Anyone interested in learning more about the true story of
the 2nd Rangers can find it in the book, "Rudder's Rangers", where all
this information comes from. Robert Lane]
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Where
it says "Das Reich wasn't even in the area, it was fighting the British
around Caen" it should say: "Das Reich wasn't even in the area, arriving
in Normandy only at the end of June". Gunnar
Einarsson
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The halftrack
at the bridge battle is owned by the second battle group, who played an
active role in the filming. Check out their website: www.thesecondbattlegroup.co.ukSpencer
Reeves
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Does anyone
know what happened to the Sdkfz 251 (Half Track) that drove by right before
the Tiger? What happened there? Did it sprout wings and fly off to attack
the Mustangs? Thad Fuller
- [Reply to Thad Fuller:
If you had watched the
film more carefully you will notice that the sniper signals that they are
going on an outflanking manouvere to the right. Indeed during the Alamo
scene the half track does appear - from the right!
Neil HOLMES]
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When Riven
(?) pulls the pin from the grenade and passes it to Horbath, he throws
it over the wall, then he pulls a pin from his own grenade and throws that
after. But there's only one explosion?! Why does Riven bother passing it
to Horbath? Why not throw it himself? I thought there were Germans when
the grenades went off, but you see no remains or bodies when they go check.
Chris
Ryan
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Here's
an error which a lot of people haven't picked up.. when Mellish and the
Cpl are kneeling in that room and hearing that German walking up the stairs..
first, why would the German walk up really slow? I thought the Germans
were experts at storming places, close quarter battle, and the like.. so
they'd run up the stairs really fast. And why make a real loud noise as
well, .i.e, footstep noises being so loud so as Mellish and Cpl could hear
it? Weren't those stairs concrete? If so, why -when that German is walking
up the stairs- can you hear the noise of footsteps on Wood?! Or is it just
me? Chris Ryan
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Why does
Miller's squad medic run along with them on their frontal, uphill assault
on the German machine gun nest? This is ridiculous and totally unnecessary.
The medic would have/should have "lingered in the rear," to use Miller's
phrase, with the combat rookie Upham. The assault itself is of dubious
tactical validity (i.e. frontal, uphill) and both it and the medic's death
are merely dramatic, cinematic devices. Drew
Cook
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I was
wondering what the German said while killing 'Fish' in the room at the
top of the stairs. D Fate
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I would
like to address a few things in defense of Mr. Spielberg. The one which
is most in my mind it the attack on the town Remel. Some person criticized
the strategy that was used by the Germans in attacking the town.
Maybe the group that's attacking the town is the remains of a division
going somewhere else to regroup to hold off the American advance and they
just happened to be coming thru the town on their way to the rendezvous
point. If this group is cut off from their command and in a retreat (which
they probably should have been considering the size and magnitude of the
joint allied invasion), then couldn't this explain their poor tactics in
attacking the town? Blake Broadway
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[Reply
to Blake Broadway: In expansion of your
point, I never did see any evidence of any high ranking officers amongst
the German force, perhaps another reason for their lack of co-ordination?
Neil Holmes]
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What bothers
me is this: there are no black men, no English, no Canadian, etc. There
should have been a scene where they would be fighting together. Kenneth
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[Reply
To Kenneth: Yes, the movie missed a golden opportunity to show
the diversity of the U.S. fighting forces at D-Day. With all the hundreds
of barrage balloons floating above Omaha beach, you'd swear one of Spielberg's
crack military advisors would have recognized the 320th Barrage Balloon
Battalion, which was the only black combat unit present at D-Day. Couldn't
just one of the 800 man unit been represented on the big screen? More than
one thousand black quartermaster, transportation and engineering personnel
were also present at D-Day.
C Paul Moore]
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[Reply
to Kenneth:
No, there shouldn’t. The Canadians
and Brits landed and fought on their own beaches, several miles to the
east. US and Commonwealth forces adhered to different commands and mainly
did not participate in the same battles in Normandy. Moreover, Hank and
the boys are walking westwards and then slightly north up the Cotentin
peninsula, i.e away from the British sectors. Because of US racial prejudice,
Negroes were often denied active combat service in WWII, although there
was at least an entirely black division fighting in Italy. Their record
was a distinguished one. I do agree however, if this was your point, that
American self-centeredness in war-movies suck. Not long ago a popular movie
depicted Americans capturing a German encryption device, known as the 'Enigma'.
In reality this feat of heroism was carried out by the English. Also, there
is the Nazi monster stereotype, prevalent in Hollywood cinema since the
mid-forties, which never really has been challenged (not in Ryan either)
and this is, of course, pathetic in every sense. Snafu]
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Dog Green
was expected to be a tough nut to crack, so 130 men of the 2nd Ranger Battalion
were detailed to be the so called "Point of the spear" and lead the assault.
They were the first to walk into the buzz saw, all other units landed after
the Rangers. The Rangers suffered 62 casualties (As a sidelight, the 5th
Rangers lost 135 out of 225 men in their assault up the cliffs at Point-Du-Hoc).
jschleicher
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[Reply
to jschleicher: The Rangers were also
supposed to link-up with the Rangers at Point Du Hoc once on the beach.
Jeremy
Waters]
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This was
the most awesome display of capturing what I think how it must have really
been that day. I went home from the theatre with feelings I did not know
I had, from the belly wound scene of the medic, calling for his Momma,
and also the chest stabbing scene when the German soldier slowly stuck
the knife in that boys chest as he begged him not to. The movie did what
it was supposed to do - let people know that WAR IS HELL. It doesn't show
partiality or sorrow or any type of remorse, WAR IS CARNAGE, kill or wound
the enemy until he can't go on. I have seen about every war movie on WW2
and this was the most awesome display I have ever or probably will ever
see. Mike H
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[Reply
to Mike H: A second viewing should've
confirmed all the major historical and military errors. Jeez, you could
pick little errors out of any movie. Nobody has ever told me, with a straight
face, that Mary Poppins violated the laws of physics. I think that more
German film makers should have a hand in making WW2 films, since their
portrayals are about ten times more accurate than most American films.
My opinion is, this movie sucked. The only saving grace were the first
30 minutes. After this, we have 2 and a half hours of sap, and ridiculous
fighting sequences. If Spielberg had a T-Rex with a Swastika on it's side
walking down with the two Tigers, and if E.T. was piloting that P-51, the
movie wouldn't have been less believable. I'm personally tired of clichés
like 'War is Hell', or the 'nightmare' of Omaha beach. These things are
obvious to anyone, and repetition dullens the real impact that war has
on everyone involved. Cyrus Clennon]
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[Reply
to Cyrus Clennon: I don't think this movie
is a repetition of previous ones. Nor there a many examples making this
clear that, indeed, war is hell. Despite the errors, it is more accurate
then any other movie handling the European war theatre. Only drawback is
scene of Miller being shot in the end. Many other scenes could have happened
that days the way shown but are better a display of how fighting likely
worked out on individuals personally. To succeed in passing a fraction
of this sense of horror to the minds of the major part of the public makes
this movie an exceptional one. 95% including thrill-seeking young people
did not see any error or ET in a Mustang but felt uncomfortable heading
home after watching it. The nightmare of Utah or the impact of war had
not been that obvious to them some 3 hours earlier. M.
Middlekoop]
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The biggest
problem I have with Saving Private Ryan is the almost cartoonish way US
soldiers act during combat. Charging up hills at machine gun nests and
taking on Panzer companies with 'sticky bombs' and snipers in bell towers
(the enemy would never think to look there) is typical Hollywood nonsense.
The special effects and gore were a hundred times more realistic than anything
I'd ever seen before but the psychology of the soldiers was only slightly
more accurate than a bad episode of The A Team. A.
Rosetti
- [Reply to A. Rosetti: Hmm
no more accurate than the A-team. That's were no-one gets killed? Not SPR
then is it? And the enemy did take out the bell tower once they knew
there was a force there. Neil
HOLMES]
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Is there
some errors in the quality of the picture when camera shoots Uphams face
after he had shot the German in the final scene at the bridge, or is it
only on my DVD?
V. Pitkänen
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saving
private ryan is most likely the most accurate portrayal of WWII Combat
put on film, yes, it has it's errors, but overall, compared to the movies
before it, it's pretty accurate. jschleicher
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Another
thing to consider was the fact that the Allies had implemented a brilliant
diversionary tactic, causing the Germans to think that the landing spots
were far to the East. I don't know how large the forces were there, but
I know that most or all of the Panzer tanks in France were there and Hitler
did not let the tanks out for some time. J
D
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Just to
clarify some of the supposed mistakes that people have pointed out. The
movies focus is 8 men of the US Army 2nd Ranger Battalion. Why then should
the focus include the British forces? For a detailed listing of the
British forces contributions to D-Day, consult a history book, not a Hollywood
movie. Also, the section of beach that is assaulted in the movie was held
by members of the 352nd infantry division. A veteran unit with combat hardened
soldiers. Not all of the beach was held by conscripts or kids. That is
a myth started then and believed, obviously, to this day. Echelon
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Could
someone translate what translator Upham said in German to the freed German
soldier before he shot him toward the end. I know the German said something
like "I know this soldier" and "I know this man". Then Upham said
"Und haltet die schnauzen". ???. Was this meaningful? They could
have at least translated this in the DVD subtitles. Mike
[Send
translations to EZpopstar@hotmail.com]
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[Reply
to Mike: Upham says, "And hold the lips"
to the German man. KKimparsons]
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[Reply
to Mike: I think that he says something
to the effect of: "You shot my captain." I'm not sure if it is the same
line that you asked about, but it is in that scene. J
D]
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[Reply
to Mike: "Und haltet die schnauzen" seems
to mean "shut up" or "and hold your lips". Then the German says "Upham"
and gets shot. I confirmed this on an AOL chat room from Berlin.
Hagens]
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[Reply
to Mike: "Und haltet die schnauzen" means
"And hold the lips". Tim C.]
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[Reply
to Mike: You've already got a translation
of your question but my wife, who IS German, tells me that "Und haltet
die schnauzen" means roughly "Shut the f**k up." Halt = stop, schnauze
= snout (as in the snout of a dog or pig). It's considered VERY rude and
since then, I've used it several times with German friends of mine. :)
- W. Steiinmann
from Stuttgart, Germany]
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[Reply
to Mike: I found your translation question
while surfing the web. I don't know the film, but I can tell you the following:
he must be talking to more than one person because he is speaking in plural
and is saying "SHUTUP (YOUR MOUTHS!)". SCHNAUZE is the meaning of an animal's
mouth. Referring to another person to be quiet it is very rude. Arnd
from Konstanz, Germany]
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[Reply
to Mike: "...Und haltet die schnauzen."
Is translated, "shut your f***ing mouth." K.
Matthews]
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[Reply
to Mike: "Und haltet die scnauzen" is
a very abusive and derogatory way to say shut up. It has the connotation
that one has a pigs snout. H. Otwell]
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In scenes
where the American machinegunners are carrying belts of ammo around their
necks, no way the weight of the bullets would stretch the canvas belts
thus causing jamming in the machine guns. DHitJug
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If you
watch the scene where the Rangers meet up with the Paratroopers (the one
where they send the runner), shortly after this they are all walking through
rubble, paras and rangers, the Paratrooper loses his rope out of his rucksack.
You actually see it fall, but in the next shot, hey, presto, it's back!
Spencer
Reeves
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Here is
a good one, when they are all walking through the town (the one right before
Caparzo dies). They show a 101st airborne guy walking with them, with a
BAR, I don't think they would have sent a paratrooper with a gun that heavy!
Diane
Joy
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[Reply
to Diane Joy: On a full combat equipment
paratroop jump in 1978 as a weapons sergeant in the Special Forces, I jumped
with an M-60 belt fed machinegun strapped to my MC1-1B harness. An
M-60 is heavier than a BAR by far, and are in addition much bulkier by
default than the BAR. The M-60 typically combat fires from a 100 round
bandoleer of .308 caliber disintegrating metallic link belts, while the
BAR fires only 20 rounds from a box magazine filled with larger 30'06 rounds.
My M-60 was placed within a padded M-1951 individual weapons jump case
that hooked on a quick release buckle to a harness ring on my left side.
I snaked a few hundred rounds inside, that was hard packing. Padded
jump cases were in use in WWII. Extra ammo would have been mass dropped.
Sergeant
E-5 Richard D. Johnson]
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[Reply
to Diane Joy: SURE THEY WOULD. A squad
or platoon of paratroopers had a BAR gunner on it's TO&E (Table of
Organization and Equipment) L. Bishop]
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[Reply
to Diane Joy: My father served with the
82nd airborne from Sicily through to the end of the war, and yes he most
definitely used the Browning Automatic Rifle. It was a good weapon for
him. GJDale]
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Capt.
Miller and squad (not platoon - 36-45 men :-) ) walking over an open field
in hostile territory wouldn't afford liberties of speaking that volume
or amount of speech without risking enemy detection. In another words,
a single Wehrmacht (not Wermacht) sniper would have picked them off their
butts in turns from a hidden position. But in another note, the conversation
included in this scene was probably created to cheat boredom, another words,
to make it more exciting. Huy Dang from
B.C., Canada
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As Lt.
Miller's (Hanks') platoon walks through a battlefield in the evening sometime
after being sent off on their mission to find Ryan, off in the distant
horizon, there are multiple flashes that are a result of heavy artillery.
Unfortunately, the distant 'crump' sound occurred at the same instant as
the flashes... Sound travels at about 1000fps, so the delay should have
been on the order a few seconds. Doug Hall
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[Reply
to Doug Hall: It is true that movies frequently
have sound and distant action coincide. Most viewers would think
there is something wrong with the sound editing if there was an appropriate
delay. In the case of the sniper shot the German sniper would not
have heard the shot anyway. Perhaps one of the most glaring examples
of this "error" is in the movie Midway, when the sound of explosions occurs
coincidentally with the bomb hits on Japanese ships, heard by aviators
that are 1000s of feet above, and would probably not have been able to
hear the explosions over the engine, radio and etc.
Richard
T. Ellis]
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[I am
in the military and have been in combat and the explosions, and gun fire
both near and far are the most accurate I have ever heard in a movie. Jeremy
Waters]
I can't
figure out any reason why Upham would be carrying those .30 caliber machinegun
belts around. Wouldn't it have made more sense to put all the ammo with
the guns? If one ran out and needed more, then you might want to move it,
but otherwise you just wouldn't move it. I think the screenwriter just
wanted to give Upham the chance to show his cowardice and to have him interact
with the other soldiers. T. Locker
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I loved
the movie but something that always bothered me is why they used the sticky
bombs.... they had a bazooka with several rounds and that would have been
far more effective at knocking off the tiger tanks tracks and at a safer
distance.
Andrew Ferguson
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The only
really serious error of the movie that shouldn't have been allowed:
All the American G.I.'s are wearing black boots. The U.S. military only
wore brown footwear (boots and shoes) until the late 1950's. Kenneth
Kops
- [Reply to Kenneth Kops: Oh
well that just ruins the whole movie then!
Neil HOLMES]
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Why are
the paratroopers, all of the 101st, AND the two 82nd laying dead
along side the path adjacent to the radar site wearing "BLACK" jump boots?
Jump boots during World War II were russett "BROWN", not "BLACK"
in color! The army did not go to black jump boots until 1958! Any WWII
buff knows this! And, don't give me this bull that the anti-poison gas
goop that was applied to them made them turn black. Color photos from June
7th, 1944 and after of the 101st, and 82nd, as rare as they may be, clearly
depict the boots to be brown in color, even with the "goop" applied. Anonymous
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[Reply
to Anonymous: I was one of four guys to
be dressed up as 82nd dead at the radar site until they decided to use
dummies. I can assure you that the boots being worn are exact copies of
the Corcoran boot worn by U.S. paratroopers. They only appear brown because
they were polished with a dark polish and broken down in colour by the
wardrobe department to look worn in. M
Frye]
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The Waffen
SS fighting until the very end of the war? In fact, most of their ranks
were the first ones to give up the ship. Most of the last ditch fighting
was waged by Hitler Youth and what was left of the Wehrmacht. It is noted
that some patched units of Hitler Youth and Wehrmacht, which fought side
by side, held out for as long as two weeks after the war was over until
they were ordered to lay down there arms. Most of the hard fighting Waffen
SS troops (the best of the best) were all used up on the eastern front
and were replaced by volunteers from other countries or German youth that
were not trained properly as the original formations were. B.A.
- [Reply to B.A.:
You are incorrect when referring to Hitler Youth as the single SS formation along with a few Wehrmacht outfits fighting to the end. SS Nordland [the bulk annahilated in Courland], survivors fought to the death in the Defense of Berlin. SS Niederland wiped out as a fighting formation in Courland fought to the death. SS Charlemagne fought with suicidal fury to the end in Berlin.
Guderianadjuant]
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How about
the symbolism? When the SS guy stabs the Jewish guy and the American guy
turns away on the stairs... the SS helped run the death camps which killed
Jews and at the time America knew about and did nothing. W1037
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[Reply
to W1037: You are right about symbolism
on that scene, but the SS soldier mentioned was in the Waffen-SS - the
Armed-SS, highly trained elite. The SS who guarded the concentration camps
and extermination camps were in the larger structure of the political Allgemeine-SS
- the SS-Totenkopfverbande (SS Deaths Heaad organization).
Madcap7
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[Reply
to W1037:
The allies may well have known
about the death camps, but what could they have done about them? Their
knowledge came largely through the use of breaking German codes such as
Enigma. The allies knew full well that revealing knowledge of such camps
could have lost them the code and this would lead to a war-winning weapon
being lost. Had this been done early in the war it is certain that even
more people would have died as a result of this. It may not have been an
easy choice, but with hindsight it is easy to criticize.
Neil Holmes]
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When Mellish
is shooting his rifle at Germans through the hole in the wall of the room,
he takes about 2 shots and yells that he is jammed. This is odd because
when the Germans return fire through the wall after Henderson does, Mellish
lets off 2 shots from the same rifle he claimed was jammed, killing an
SS soldier. S M Bunn
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A hand-to-hand
combat scene Question: In the hand-to-hand combat with the SS soldier,
Mellish screams "you killed my best friend". The paratrooper with him was
shot through the hole in the wall, not by the Germans on the staircase.
Who is he referring to? Or did the SS soldier bother to finish off the
mortally wounded US para? Why didn't the SS soldiers in the staircase just
lob in a grenade at Mellish and the para? A
P H Steineck
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[Reply
to A P H Steineck] Because that would
be showing the Germans to be fighting too intelligently, which would be
totally unsuitable (hehe). J Khalili
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The wehrmacht
stick grenades do not have a 10-15 second fuse, they have an eight second
fuse.
Jason
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The time
fuse on the stick bombs would burn at 30-40 seconds per foot. I guess lighting
it with a lighter is more dramatic than using a standard fuse lighter.
Time fuse would need a blasting cap crimped to it in order to detonate
TNT. If they had blasting caps and time fuse they would most likely have
had the fuse lighters. H G Snyder
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Composition
B would not have been used for demolition. Composition B is used in bombs.
Composition C or C-2 and Tetrytol would be available in addition to the
TNT blocks used in the "sticky bombs". H
G Snyder
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The number
of entries show how much we like this movie and have STUDIED it. It's the
only war movie worth doing so. As for people or characters in the movie
not acting logically at various times, one can only say that battle is
confusion and fear. How many of us have read first hand accounts of WWII
combat?? We all know that strange things, odd things, and mistakes happen
in real combat. Things often do not progress logically. A soldier,
checking or getting ready to reload his Tommy gun, may actually aim it
with no clip in it when suddenly confronted by an enemy. How many times
have I read of tank crews bailing out of a tank when it's hit, fearing
being burned alive, only to find the vehicle's not really damaged?
A lot of this has been nit picking. It's a good movie. I find many of the
inconsistencies to actually reinforce it's believability. There's always
going to be some technical mistakes when making any movie. As for the 1st
and 2nd SS Div.s being elsewhere at certain times and other such glaring
errors, Hollywood is ignorant. In a big way. And biased. There's no excuse.
I think they've given it a good effort in this instance. Lance
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This has
to be the greatest war film ever made. Of course you can sit there and
cut down all the errors in it after you watch it 40 or 50 times like I
have. However, this movies shock value was amazing the first time I saw
it in theatres. Before then I had a little interest in WW2, but not much.
After I saw this I am becoming a WW2 history buff. I want to know everything
about war, and it even sparked interest in learning about history in general.
I beg anyone to respond to this with feelings as strong as I have. Mike
Mahony
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I must
agree with the fact that this was a story about an "American" situation.
From what I have gleaned from the history books, and from the Veterans
of that war that I have personally spoken with, the U.S. military was extremely
conscience of the opinion of the American people as to how the war was
progressing at that time. As I understand, the situation at that time was
after two years of high casualties during the daylight bomber offensive
and to the demise of the Sullivan brothers in the Pacific. So, I do not
feel that any "dis' was intended by the film.
Johnny
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