Western Guerillas In The China Mist

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Negotiating in China a.k.a. Bad Cop/Good Cop but the good one has no authority

Gee, there are lots of good and bad books about negotiating in China. What could we possibly add? Plenty.

Boring Definition

Negotiating discussions occurs between the western party and Chinese party before a business transaction can be completed. There are two main types of negotiations: sale/purchase term negotiations and investment negotiations. The following comments apply to both types.

Chinese Strategy

Forget everything you learned about "Getting To Yes" and all that other touchy feely crap about both sides working together to reach a win-win solution. The goal of the Chinese in any negotiation with westerners is to steal as much money from the westerner as possible. This "money" can take the form of cash or other benefits. In some cases, what Chinese negotiators will steal from you is completely worthless to them. So why would they want to steal it? Simply put, in order to screw you and take revenge for something Marco Polo said in his book about China. In other words, we don't know why.

Building Your Strategy

Faced with the above noted Chinese strategy, what strategy should you use? If you try the win-win strategy approach, you will get cut to pieces and be lucky to escape alive WITHOUT a contract. At worst, you will get butchered and tricked into signing a terrible contract, be fired by your employer, and end up homeless on the streets of Shanghai. Take our word for it, there ain't no homeless shelters or soup kitchens to fall back on in China. So get some good advice and make a plan long before you get involved in negotiating in China.

Face The Facts In Advance: The Chinese Will Kick Your Western Ass In Most Negotiations

Keep in mind that the Chinese are negotiating machines from the moment they are born. They negotiate for every scrap of food, every stitch of clothing, every drop of loyalty...everything tangible or intangible they ever touch or need throughout their entire lives. On top of that, they have a totally different ethical system from westerners. They have no qualms at all about lying, stealing, cheating, etc. as long as it is good for themselves and helps them achieve their goal. In fact, they don't even have a good way of describing something as "ethically and morally correct" in the Chinese language. If you ever ask a Chinese person to describe this concept in Chinese, they will only use Chinese words like "correct or incorrect" and "should and should not" which have no foundation in ethics or morality. They are 100% focussed on the results i.e. if something was unsuccessful, then it was "incorrect" or "should not " have been done. (We are getting a little deep here, we know. Just wait until you get to China and see for yourself. You'll understand our meaning then much more clearly). These two cultural traits combine to make the Chinese negotiating machines that you will face well primed to chew you up and spit you out. Scared yet? You should be.

Advice On Negotiating Strategy

So now you need to come up with your own strategy that will protect you from the Chinese negotiating machine. You need to do some research. Get some advice. Who should you listen to for advice about formulating such a strategy? First of all, you should listen to the geniuses at Western Guerillas. Secondly, buy an old book call "Chinese Commercial Negotiating Strategy" by Lucian Pye. Read it 5 times and memorize every page. Thirdly, do not listen to any Ph.D. or college professor, and certainly don't listen to the cultural wimps at the US State Department or Commercial Service. None of these people know anything about real business negotiating. In fact, they would prefer if you got your ass handed to you by the Chinese since this coincides with their view that the Chinese are superior to westerners.

Should you listen to an "Old China Hand Consultant?" First of all, if they call themselves an "Old China Hand" then stop listening immediately, pretend to hear your mother calling you to go home, and run to the nearest exit. If they don't call themselves an "Old China Hand," there is still some hope. Hit them with a series of test questions as follows:

  • Do they know the normal tip given to a karaoke hostess?
    • Correct Answer: RMB100-200
  • Can they name 20 provinces?
    • Correct Answer: They should refuse this stupid request.
  • Are their Chinese language skills good enough to fool people on the phone into thinking they are Chinese?
    • Correct Answer: Yes. But you should have somebody test them.
  • Can they sing Yi Wu Suo You by Cui Jian?
    • Correct Answer: "...ke ni que zong shi xiao wo, yi wu suo you..."
  • Where can you get the best Caesar salad in Beijing?
    • Lido Holiday Inn

If they pass this test with flying colors, then you may have a good advisor on your hands. Using a Japanese sword, cut their head off to see what good info they have inside that might help you in your upcoming negotiation.

Step By Step Guide To Your Strategy

  • Make a detailed description of what ultimate contract terms you would like to achieve. Be fair. Think win-win. But never tell this plan to the Chinese. Ever! Call these terms your Real Goal Terms.
  • Take your Real Goal Terms and discount them by 40% i.e. if you are selling, then raise prices 40%. If buying, then lower your bid 40%. Call these terms your Inflated Goal Terms.
  • Schedule the negotiation.
  • Bring several support staff members. Lie to them about your Real Goal Terms. Tell them "in confidence" that your ultimate goal is 20% higher (or lower as appropriate) than your Inflated Goal Terms.
  • Start the negotiation. Do not be the first person to mention any business topic. Simply chatter away about non-business issues and ask lots of questions about Chinese culture. If the Chinese ever bring up business issues, avoid them and change the subject back to non-business issues.
  • Break for lunch. Drink heavily.
  • Pretend to be too sleepy in the afternoon to negotiate. Drink soda and tea and eat sunflower seeds. Do not discuss business at all.
  • Tour the factory in a stupor. Don't say anything about the factory. Check out the rustic country girls working on the production line. Ooo, la, la!
  • Break for dinner. Drink heavily.
  • Go to karaoke parlor to sing. See our karaoke instructions.
  • Say good-bye. Shake hands, get in the car, and wave as your car pulls away. Continue waving good-bye until your hosts are a small speck on the horizon.
  • The next afternoon, send a low level staff person over to the Chinese side's offices with a hastily scribbled proposal according to your Inflated Goal Terms.
  • Wait for the Chinese to contact you to schedule the next negotiation.
  • Follow the above steps again but this time give in 5% on your scribbled proposal. Repeat this cycle and give in 4%, then 3%, and so on until you reach a 15% discount from your original proposal.
  • Now send in your flunkies on informal chats to tell the Chinese how you only have 5% more to give before reaching your "absolute best offer." They'll do a great job at this since they truly believe this based on your previous "in confidence" comments to them.
  • At the same time, you should start complaining long and loud about how you are getting killed on this deal, you are losing money, the Chinese don't understand you, your company, or your product, etc.
  • Finally send an informal flunky to make one final offer at a level 20% from your starting point. The Chinese will delay a while, make one last feeble attempt to push further whereupon you go through the ceiling, and then finally they will agree. You will then go eat a banquet at which you should act slightly subdued since you got such a bad deal.
  • Now the real negotiating begins. Don't worry, you still have another 20% hidden in your pocket to give away if needed.
  • Put together the final contract terms. See our joint venture contract page for more about this step if you are negotiating an investment. They will try other indirect ways to squeeze you during this stage. Make them really work for every 0.1% you give them. Complain incessantly. Get more and more unpredictable and lose your temper at the slightest provocation. This is a sign to the Chinese that you are at your limit. And they expect this from westerners anyways. This is the only way you will ever get them to conclude the negotiation and finalize the contract.
  • Ultimately you will reach an agreement. But be sure to have a least 10% "fat" left over. You will need this for further negotiation during the execution stage. Plus you can use the extra profit margin as a cushion to make your boss happy after all the money-wasting screw ups that occur because of the Chinese being unorganized or not knowing how to handle their own business.

Simple, wasn't it? What's the big deal?

Westerners normally hate this sort of long, pointless, "dishonest" price negotiating. But when in China, it is best to play this game with them. If you don't, and you try instead to play "win-win," they will take every concession you offer, carve it in stone, and not give one scrap in return. So take our advice and stick with the old-fashioned vegetable market bargaining skills that are the true cornerstone of China's 5000 year history.

Some Final Miscellaneous Suggestions About Negotiating Business In China

  • Always quote prices in odd, unround numbers. For example, never quote US$15,000; instead quote US$15,318.69. This makes the Chinese think you have really worked your prices to the last cent i.e. you have not rounded up and added some "fat".
  • Never try to charge for "consulting", "installation supervision", "design"...anything intangible. They will never agree to pay for this and will cut it out even if it means that they will never be able to produce a single widget. Instead spread the cost of these services equally amongst the other contract items. But be careful you know where you spread it. You don't want them to cut out a certain piece of machinery and forget that they are also cutting a part of your "intangible" fees.
  • Even if you include the intangibles in the price of the tangibles, make sure to list the intangibles on the contract and show their price as "free of charge." Don't know why, but the Chinese always seem to go for this obvious crap. Something to do with "face" and getting something for free from the stupid westerners.
  • See our Book Review Page for suggestions on bad books about negotiating in China. Sometimes reading these books can give you a good idea about what not to do.
  • Don't be overawed by the Chinese negotiating protocol and politeness routine. It is all a big act and really is just a big waste of time when you get right down to it. Politely put up with it, brush it off, and then concentrate on your business at hand.
  • And don't forget the most basic of negotiating principles: you can always walk away. Don't stay at the table and continue discussions if what they are asking is unreasonable. Just say "sorry, can't do it", smile, go to dinner and karaoke, and stop contacting them for a month. Wait for them to call and if they don't, laugh it off. You will be glad you did.

 

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