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DoctorMaybe Member Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 96 |
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
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DoctorMaybe wrote:
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Crucifixion did take place in ancient Egypt. The Encarta
Encylcopedia 2004 says so.
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Well
hello again Dr Maybe i thought you had vanished. You are of course
wrong the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides
is Islamic and was never done in the Old or new Testaments. The
encarta encyclopidia did not bother itself to do any research
and will of course be ignorant to the reality and facts of these
religios matters. It is rather like the Christians new Testament
where they claim Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses
he would raise up and then they say Jesus was crucified when other
Christian bibles say he died on a stake others a tree others a
cross. It just depends on what data that encyclopedia researcher
was looking at at the time. But modern day statements cannot be
relied upon. The encarta is wrong. Niice try though it is a good
thing that these matters are still on your mind.
I am
about to drop a bombshell on Hanifan that i think may interest
you. It may take a while to write out as it is complicated. But
i shall simplify it. I have been doing a bit of researching myself
these past few days and i have an error in the Koran that i want
to see if you can explain away. Its a big error in the Koran as
well. Almost as big as Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 chapters
of the Koran believing and glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet
that Jesus claimed himself to be. Which as you know is that same
Prophet that Muhammad is now claiming him,self to be. Only this
Time it is about Moses. I downloaded the Exodus statement of the
Koran and saw it for myself.
You cannot
trust modern day books especially those written by a Christian.
The only real source of data can only come from the original manuscipts
of the Old Testament. The new Testament is another religion and
another matter as that is the Christians claim and persuation
as to convincing people of their claims regarding the false Prophet
Jesus.
Hanifan
has already mentioned areas in the Bible where a close proximity
to crucifixion exists. But those were of hangings on trees and
not of the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides
and then crucifying the body which is the form of executions mentioned
in the Koran.
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Wassup Homo
Yup, been out
for a long time. Busy with exams and all. As for Encarta researchers being
ignorant, that's the funniest thing i have ever heard. Crucifixion did
take place, the Egyptologists confirm it, Encarta confirms it, the bible
confirms it, etc. etc. You are simply ignoring facts. In your quest to
disprove the Quran, you will do anything.
C ya
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DoctorMaybe Member Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 96 |
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:
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All hail Starjade, the Queen of the world!
I testify there
is none worth of "worship" but Starjade.
Dude, if you'r
forming a cult, I'm in
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Sam Shamouni,
Jochen Katz and Ali Sina love to wrestle in mud, wearing nothing but bikinis.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Dr Maybe
rides again tee hee hee..
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Wassup Homo
Yup, been out for a long time. Busy with exams and all. As for
Encarta researchers being ignorant, that's the funniest thing
i have ever heard. Crucifixion did take place, the Egyptologists
confirm it, Encarta confirms it, the bible confirms it, etc. etc.
You are simply ignoring facts. In your quest to disprove the Quran,
you will do anything. C ya
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Starjade says;
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth. ? Islam does not teach its followers
to cast abuse so it claims but then my revelations must have already converted
you. But as Muslims are false Prophet worshippers and worshippers of a
God of a false Prophets imagination then I would really be surprised if
someone with such an offensive mouth could convert as some folk are just
stuck in their ways.
Now then Dr Maybe
The Bible does not confirm the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite
sides and then crucifying the body or in then the killing of the magicians
of the Pharaoh and dismembering their carcases. You just claimed it does
so back your mouth up and show us all exactly yes exactly where such threats
were made. As non exist then you are just blabberwocking and trying to
save face.
I do not ignore
facts had these matters been proven then I would be saying that to be
a fact. After all in case you forget I do not need the statements of the
Bible of the Koran to prove that Muhammad was not the Prophet that he
has claimed himself to be. Or did you forget that the religious law of
Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 states that it can be proven that I am a real genuine
Prophet who can be proven to have a connection to the Living God.
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm Also that in
1995 I contacted the International Order of Jewish Kabbalists 25 Circle
Gardens Merton park with revelations of the future apocalypse with a view
to an Exodus of all the Jews from the Four corners of the globe.
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/chapterthree.htm
And at the Time
I did that all the Prophesied signs in the heavens appeared in conjunction
with each other as a sign that God is with us. Or at least with me.
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm Oh I also made
contact with that Kuffar Rabbi Chaim Richman who is the Kuffar Rabbi in
charge of the building of the third Temple. I can prove these facts as
well as I did keep a record of such conversations. So you are blowing
out air.
As I can be proven
to be that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up
by religious law and those many signs in the heavens and my own acts and
deeds then that automatically proves all other claimants to my Crown are
total frauds.
I was just showing
tactfully that fact by proving your religious beliefs are in error. The
Sura 4:82 that you are ignoring states that if just one error exists in
the Koran then the Koran itself admits that it does not come from God.
So you are ignoring the words of the Koran not mine own words that you
have shirked away from knowing that you could not disprove them.
Seems like you
have grown a new backbone eh ? Maybe then you will try and back your mouth
up and make these conversations more taxing and challenging for the much
loved Doomsday Prophet Starjade. I personally think that such things maybe
(no pun intended) just too deep for you to be able to handle. So why not
go get an educated Imam online as you know that Starjade loves a challenge.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: Yo ho
ho Dr Maybee
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I think it sad that you can only resort to casting abuse. But I am
first born in the Blackpool of Lancashire so it is all water of a ducks
back to me. Its just a sad think for you to be have like that. How sad
is that. Anyways Dr Maybe you requested that I post a list of errors
and you said you would go through that list giving an account and refutiing
my claims that there are errors in the Koran. So i take it you must
have seen those errors found in the Koran the list was still kept short
from my kindness. But you still have not had the backbone to back your
mouth up. tsk tsk tsk... For someone with such a loose mouth i would
have thought you thought you have all the answers and instead you remain
very silent. Of course i can see why I can be so intimidating when i
have such vast superia religious knowledge that clearly goes way beyond
your own. But you were the one doing the bragging So i took you up on
that and now (sniff) you appear to be disapointing me. Now come on whats
your excuse. Are you a Muslim or what. Then stand up like a man and
defend Islam Or are you too afraid eh ? Is that why you have gone silent
Do you realise that there is nothing you can say to defend Islam from
the attack of the Sura 4:82's I did tell you so. But who listens to
me eh ?
The End of Times Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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DoctorMaybe Member Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 96 |
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject:
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Listen Starjade, you psycho, your arguments are weak and fabricated. You
are not a Prophet, nor are you divine. As for the Holy Quran, crucifixion
taking place in Egypt has been confirmed by various sources. Your own
research does not count. As for Pharaho cutting off hands and feet, show
me where in the Quran God confirms that Pharaoh did indeed cut off the
hands and feet of the magicians. If you look closely, Pharhaoh threatened
to cut off the hands and feet. How can you say that it's a contradiction???
As for God making
you a Prophet, would you care to clarify which God is it? Is it the God
of the Old Testament that needs to rest, loses to a rabbi in a debate,
fears his own creations, gets corrected at several occassions by his own
creations, etc etc?? Or, is it some other God?
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: The Shirkers
of Islam
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DoctorMaybe wrote:
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Listen Starjade, you psycho, your arguments are weak and fabricated.
You are not a Prophet, nor are you divine.
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Starjade says: So because
you have been unable to dispute my words of truth you must resort like
a child to casting abuse eh. That is very petty. And my arguments are
so strong and proven that you are unable to defend Islam or Muhammad or
the Koran. (we both already know that) and so will anyone else who reads
these words. I see your shirking those many errors I have named in a list
at your request which just proves my point.
And the religious
law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 states clearly that I can easily be proven
to be a Prophet in accordance with religious law.
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm Religious laws
that I add that show Jesus and Muhammad are frauds and liars. But then
you already know that fact don't you. And I have never claimed to be Divine
but it is as well you do realise my rank.
Dr Maybe you
said:
As for the Holy
Quran, crucifixion taking place in Egypt has been confirmed by various
sources. Your own research does not count.
Starjade says:
Do you mean Islamic sources eh that are proven to be inaccurate. And my
research may be ignored by you but these matters can be researched by
others who have the mind to and that will show my words true and yours
just lies and deceptions.
Dr Maybe you
said:
As for Pharaho
cutting off hands and feet, show me where in the Quran God confirms that
Pharaoh did indeed cut off the hands and feet of the magicians. If you
look closely, Pharhaoh threatened to cut off the hands and feet. How can
you say that it's a contradiction???
Starjade says:
What's the matter don't you own a Koran. What kind of Muslim are you.
The Koran also says that after this grisly death the magicians bodies
were then cut into pieces. Again that is all just fabrication and adds
further to the many errors and lies found in the Koran. In case you forgot
during this deceptive shirk of yours. You claimed that the Bible confirmed
that the Magicians were crucified and I demanded that you back up your
mouth and show us all exactly where. Now you have shirked that task because
those Magicians were not threatened at all. It was just you claiming that
was so but when challenged you were unable to defend that deception as
you know and I know and everyone knows in the Bible those Magicians were
not threatened by the Pharaoh at all.
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As for God making you a Prophet, would you care to clarify which
God is it? Is it the God of the Old Testament that needs to rest,
loses to a rabbi in a debate, fears his own creations, gets corrected
at several occassions by his own creations, etc etc?? Or, is it
some other God?
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Starjade says:
The Living God gave birth to me and I have always been a Prophet always.
I did not say that was of Gods making. But as the Living God gave birth
to me than some part can be attributed to Gods acts. Or were you referring
to my being that chosen Prophet. You did not make yourself clear.
My God is the
one true Living God. And there is only one God all other so claimed Gods
are false Gods of false Prophets imaginations. My God the Living God is
also the same God as the Living God of Abraham and of Moses. That's who
my God is so let us both be clear on that issue. And do you not think
your religious ignorance is being exposed making such a statement to someone
who clearly has said that he could be proven by Old Testament law to being
that very Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.
And might I remind
you as you slight the living God in your statement. That so far no Muslim
in this forum or any other around the world has been able to defend Islam
against the Revelations of the Living Gods true Chosen Doomsday Prophet
Starjade. And I am like a speck of duct in comparison to the Living God.
So despite the brags of man I really do not think that the Living God
my father is going to be losing any conversations with anyone. In fact
I doubt the Living God would even converse with the grunts that live on
this Planet unless the Living God has reason to.
Now why are you
shirking my questions and that list of errors that you asked me for. You
bragged a false brag when you said you would go through that list. So
several Times I displayed that list only to find you are shirking. tsk
tsk tsk.......
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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hanifan Junior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 25 Location:
In Ardh under Sama'wati |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: Deuteronomy
19
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This is the Chapter that Stargate
claims his authority from. I have the New American Standard Version, [The
Revised Standard Version] and the {Hebrew JPS Tanach} &, JPS commentary
for verses 15-21
The first page
is the context, in which God designates three cities to be used by the
Jews, for a purpose: to give refuge to some criminals exiled, and to deny
refuge to absolute exiles (verse 4-7). This is so legal rulings can be
emplaced for the criminal courts.
Then God reminds
the people of Israel of his promise to give them Land, but again explains
that this land should not be blemished by murder (verse 10-13), stipulating
that the murderere should be punished without mercy.
Finally God warns
people to respect each others property and not seek to take that of your
neighbour's out of envy for its inheritance.
Does that sound
like a revelation that prepares the way for the recognition of a prophet?
Or rather an explanation of the ins and outs of dealing with criminals
and unpremeditated sinners?
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Deuteronomy (Davarim) 19
1"When the LORD your God cuts off the nations whose land
the LORD your God gives you, and you dispossess them and dwell
in their cities and in their houses,
["When the LORD your God cuts off the nations, whose land
the LORD your God gives you, and you dispossess them and settle
in their cities and in their houses,]
{When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations, whose land the
LORD thy God giveth thee, and thou dost succeed them, and dwell
in their cities, and in their houses;}
2 you shall set apart three cities for you in the land which the
LORD your God gives you to possess.
[you shall set aside three cities for yourself in the midst of
your land, which the LORD your God gives you to possess.]
{thou shalt separate three cities for thee in the midst of thy
land, which the LORD thy GOD giveth thee to possess it.}
3 You shall prepare the roads, and divide into three parts the
area of the land which the LORD your God gives you as a possession,
so that any manslayer can flee to them.
["You shall prepare the roads for yourself, and divide into
three parts the territory of your land which the LORD your God
will give you as a possession, so that any manslayer may flee
there.]
{Thou shalt prepare thee the way, and divide the borders of thy
land, which the LORD thy God causeth thee to inherit, into three
parts, that every manslayer may flee thither.
4 "This is the provision for the manslayer, who by fleeing
there may save his life. If any one kills his neighbour unintentionally
without having been at enmity with him in time past -
["Now this is the case of the manslayer who may flee there
and live: when he kills his friend unintentionally, not hating
him previously -]
{And this is the case of the manslayer, that shall flee thither
and live: whoso killeth his neighbour unawares, and hated him
not in time past;}
5 as when a man goes into the forest with his neighbour to cut
wood, and his hand swings the axe to cut down a tree, and the
head slips from the handle and strikes his neighbour so that he
dies--he may flee to one of these cities and save his life,
[as when {a man} goes into the forest with his friend to cut wood,
and his hand swings the axe to cut down the tree, and the iron
{head} slips off the handle and strikes his friend so that he
dies - he may flee to one of these cities and live;]
{as when a man goeth into the forest with his neighbour to hew
wood, and his hand fetcheth a stroke with the axe to cut down
the tree, and the head slippeth from the helve, and lighteth upon
his neighbour, that he die; he shall flee unto one of these cities
and live;}
6 lest the avenger of blood in hot anger pursue the manslayer
and overtake him, because the way is long, and wound him mortally,
though the man did not deserve to die, since he was not at enmity
with his neighbour in time past.
[otherwise the avenger of blood might pursue the manslayer in
the heat of his anger, and overtake him, because the way is long,
and take his life, though he was not deserving of death, since
he had not hated him previously.]
{lest the avenger of blood pursue the manslayer, while his heart
is hot, and overtake him, because the way is long, and smite him
mortally; whereas he was not deserving of death, inasmuch as he
hated him not in time past.}
7 Therefore I command you, You shall set apart three cities.
["Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside
three cities for yourself'.]
{Wherefore I command thee, saying: 'Thou shalt separate three
cities for thee.'}
8 And if the LORD your God enlarges your border, as he has sworn
to your fathers, and gives you all the land which he promised
to give to your fathers -
["If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He
has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He
promised to give your fathers -]
{And if the LORD thy God enlarge thy border, as He hath sworn
unto thy fathers, and give thee all the land which He promised
to give unto thy fathers - }
9 provided you are careful to keep all this commandment, which
I command you this day, by loving the LORD your God and by walking
ever in his ways - then you shall add three other cities to these
three,
[if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command
you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways
always - then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides
these three.]
{if thou shalt keep all this commandment to do it, which I command
thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in His
ways - then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside
these three;}
10 lest innocent blood be shed in your land which the LORD your
God gives you for an inheritance, and so the guilt of bloodshed
be upon you.
["So innocent blood will not be shed in the midst of your
land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance, and
blood-guiltiness be on you.]
{that innocent blood be not shed in the midst of thy land, which
the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood
be upon thee.}
11 "But if any man hates his neighbour, and lies in wait
for him, and attacks him, and wounds him mortally so that he dies,
and the man flees into one of these cities,
["But if there is a man who hates his neighbor and lies in
wait for him and rises up against him and strikes him so that
he dies, and he flees to one of these cities,]
{But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and
rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die; and he
flee into one of these cities;}
12 then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him from there,
and hand him over to the avenger of blood, so that he may die.
[then the elders of his city shall send and take him from there
and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he
may die.]
{then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence,
and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he
may die.}
13 Your eye shall not pity him, but you shall purge the guilt
of innocent blood from Israel, so that it may be well with you.
["You shall not pity him, but you shall purge the blood of
the innocent from Israel, that it may go well with you.]
{Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the blood
of the innocent from Israel, that it may go well with thee.}
14 "In the inheritance which you will hold in the land that
the LORD your God gives you to possess, you shall not remove your
neighbour's landmark, which the men of old have set.
["You shall not move your neighbor's boundary mark, which
the ancestors have set, in your inheritance which you will inherit
in the land that the LORD your God gives you to possess.]
{Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of
old time have set, in thine inheritance which thou shalt inherit,
in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.}
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Verily, I have
turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth 'hanifa',
and I am not of the idolators.
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hanifan Junior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 25 Location:
In Ardh under Sama'wati |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: Deuteronomy
19:15 (and 19:16-21)
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Now we come to the verses claimed
by Stargate to authenticate his prophet-hood, predicted in 18:15/18:18.
I ask you, now,
to explain how a law that establishes one man's accusation is not enough
to establish another mans guilt concerning a crime, but 2 or 3 witnesses
are enough to establish a conviction for a crime, as explained in the
verses highlighted in red, can be taken to establish the authenticity
of a prophet?
As if that is
not enough, the verses following verse 15 explain how an inadequate witness
must lead to interrogation by judges, who must establish guilt or innocence.
Then, if the suspect is established as innocent, the accuser then receives
the punishment intended for his victim, because of the Law of Qasas (Eye
for eye, tooth for tooth).
Not surprisingly,
this law is also described and mandated in the Qur'an, and is nothing
new to the religion of God. Yet no-one has ever tried to use this law
to establish his prophet-hood before. Must be because it is incapable
of doing so.
The transliterated Hebrew
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15. lo-ya.kum ed e.khad be.ish le.khol-a.von u.le.khol -kha.tat
be.khol-khet a.sher ye.khe.ta al-pi she.nei e.dim o al-pi she.lo.sha-e.dim
ya.kum da.var:
16. ki-ya.kum ed-kha.mas be.ish la.a.not bo sa.ra:
17. ve.am.du she.nei-ha.a.na.shim a.sher-la.hem ha.riv lif.nei
a.do.nai lif.nei ha.ko.ha.nim ve.ha.shof.tim a.sher yih.yu ba.ya.mim
ha.hem:
18. ve.dar.shu ha.shof.tim hei.tev ve.hi.ne ed-she.ker ha.ed she.ker
a.na ve.a.khiv:
19. va.a.si.tem lo ka.a.sher za.mam la.a.sot le.a.khiv u.vi.ar.ta
ha.ra mi.kir.be.kha:
20. ve.ha.nish.a.rim yish.me.u ve.yi.ra.u ve.lo-yo.si.fu la.a.sot
od ka.da.var ha.ra ha.ze be.kir.be.kha:.
21. ve.lo ta.khos ei.ne.kha ne.fesh be.ne.fesh a.yin be.a.yin
shen be.shen yad be.yad re.gel be.ra.gel:s:
Witnesses
15-21 NASB
"A single witness shall not prevail against a man for any
crime or for any wrong in connection with any offence that he
has committed; only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three
witnesses, shall a charge be sustained.
If a malicious witness rises against any man to accuse him of
wrongdoing,
then both parties to the dispute shall appear before the LORD,
before the priests and the judges who are in office in those days;
the judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false
witness and has accused his brother falsely,
then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother;
so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you.
And the rest shall hear, and fear, and shall never again commit
any such evil among you.
Your eye shall not pity; it shall be life for life, eye for eye,
tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for food.
[15-21 RSV]
"A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account
of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence
of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.
"If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse
him of wrongdoing,
then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the
LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be {in office}
in those days.
"The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness
is a false witness {and} he has accused his brother falsely,
then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his
brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
"The rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do
such an evil thing among you.
"Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye,
tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
{15-21 JSPT}
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity,
or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth; at the mouth of two
witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall a matter
be establishment
One witness must not testify against a person to inflict
any punishment or penalty for a crime that he may have committed.
A case must be established through the testimony of [at least]
two or three witnesses.
If an unrighteous witness rise up against any man to bear perverted
witness against him;
then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand
before the LORD, before the priests and the judges that shall
be in those days.
[This is what you must do] if a corrupt witness acts to
testify falsely against a person.
Two men who have testimony to refute [the false witnesses] shall
stand before God, before the priests and judges who are involved
in that case.
And the judges shall inquire diligently; and, behold, if the witness
be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
The judges shall carefully interrogate [the refuting witnesses],
and if the [first] two witnesses are found to have testified falsely
against their brother,
to refute the false witnesses
By testifying that they were elsewhere at the time that they supposedly
saw the act regarding which they testified (Ramban; Makkoth 5a).
involved in that case
Literally, 'who are in those days.'
then shall ye do unto him, as he had purposed to do unto his brother;
so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.
you must do the same to them as they plotted to do to their
brother, thus removing evil from your midst.
Plotted
That is, where the sentence has not yet been carried out on the
basis of their testimony. However, if it has, the witnesses are
not punished, since the punishment is an atonement (Makkoth 5b;
Ramban).
And those that remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth
commit no more any such evil in the midst of thee.
When the other people hear about this, they will have fear
and never again do such an evil thing in your midst.
And thine eye shall not pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Do not have pity in such a case, [since you must take]
a life for a life, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, and
a foot for a foot.
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Of course, what
Stargate deems important in these verses are the establishment of witnesses
to a thing/a claim. He earlier scoffed at the attestations of the Sahaba
to the prophet-hood of Muhammad even though such attestation was indeed
Saheeh and well kept cared for. Yet his own 'evidence' is written up on
his own website by him, claiming witnesses to his visitation to God, and
to his prophecies of doom. Yet, search as I might, outside his website,
his witnesses (one of whom he is unable to recall her name) were untraceable
of their testimonies or even their existence.
Furthermore,
he claims the judges never questioned him because they were aware of his
'unbreakable' case and of his potential witnesses. Again a claim made
at his website and nowhere else.
When did he write
this website? At the time he claimed the prophecies of 'the end of time'?
or just recently?
Does the recent
earthquake & tsunami fulfill his prophecy?
The last time
I checked Australia is still surrounded by islands.
Where has he
come up with his 'end of times' living God of Kether Fantasy game?
Well, this is
the stargate virtual fantasy world 'Living Gods' role playing game
which 'Stargate' is trying out on us, and others.
This game became
available in 1997, four years before he published his fantasy on the net.
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Verily, I have
turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth 'hanifa',
and I am not of the idolators.
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hanifan Junior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 25 Location:
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: The Living
God
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Finally, he describes his Living
God, claiming he is describing the Living God of the Muslims, Jews and
the Christians.
Starjade's concept of 'the Living God':
Quote:
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A white sphere of energy in the dark abyss.
This living entity is described by him thus:
What I saw was a living white Spherical entity,
a dazzling pure white Sphere that was radiating white light and
this Spherical entity was alive and it thinks.
He also saw himself as a part of it, and that he and it moved
in hyper-space:
I turned towards the white light I had just come
from. I watched it fly off out of my sight into the distant darkness.
I was alone. I now glowed astrally with that same radiance and colour of white
light for I have truly been reborn and I am now a small part of
that living white Spheres energy.
His idea of Satan/Hell
I saw in the far distance of the Abyss a massive
cloud of Grey energies. This cloud of Grey energies rolled and
billowed and rumbled, exploding like thunder. There was enough
power there to blow away this entire universe as easy as blowing
out a candle. I scanned this massive cloud of Grey energies. This
Grey cloud of energies was alive and it thinks.
He describes how he fled from it.
I received a telepathic message from the dazzling
white Sphere warning me that I was in danger. I was in danger
and that this Grey cloud had only Evil intent. I flew away as
fast as I could and was feeling all of Hell breaking loose behind
me. I glowed of a very bright radiating white light and so I could
easily be seen in the darkness of the Abyss, and my horizons everywhere
were of distant darkness, so I had no place to hide away from
the Demons of Hell that pursued me
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These are very
physical descriptions, his only non physical contact with them being 'sensing
this' and 'sensing that'.
Does he have a witness for these 'encounters' with God and the Devil?
No.
He was alone.
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Verily, I have
turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth 'hanifa',
and I am not of the idolators.
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hanifan Junior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 25 Location:
In Ardh under Sama'wati |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: Congratulations
Stargate, Oracle of the Living God of Kether
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Well done, Stargate, you have played your role to the hilt. And no doubt
will continue to do so.
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Verily, I have
turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth 'hanifa',
and I am not of the idolators.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: Starjade
is King of the Castle:
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Hanifan you say: This is the Chapter that Stargate claims his authority
from. I have the New American Standard Version, [The Revised Standard
Version] and the {Hebrew JPS Tanach} &, JPS commentary for verses
15-21
Starjade says:
Wasn't my patience astonishing: Oh dear another re written biblical text
that seems a common thing nowadays tsk tsk tsk. You already know that
you cannot trust re written versions as those Christians do like to manipulate
the Bibles they print out in the favour of their religious beliefs. And
you do know that they believe that Jesus is that prophet that God promised
Moses he would raise up don't you.
Author The Christian
Preacher Iris: Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua):
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=4860&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
And if you want
to re word my cyberspace name out of bitterness then should I call you
Barffan. We can all play games with words but why should you take such
things personal. My Cyberspace name is Starjade a name well known throughout
the world.
Hanifan you say:
The first page
is the context, in which God designates three cities to be used by the
Jews, for a purpose: to give refuge to some criminals exiled, and to deny
refuge to absolute exiles (verse 4-7). This is so legal rulings can be
emplaced for the criminal courts.
Starjade says:
Mmm I don't even recall speaking of such things: I did mention many errors
and discrepancies found in the Koran proving that the Koran did not come
from God. Wasn't the other city created to stop Jews killing each other.
I do sort of recall something about that in the Old Testament. Of Exiling
them.
Hanifan you say:
Then God reminds
the people of Israel of his promise to give them Land, but again explains
that this land should not be blemished by murder (verse 10-13), stipulating
that the murderer should be punished without mercy.
Starjade says:
Did you know that Islamic belief is that Palestine is claimed as being
that promised Land of the Jews. It makes one wonder then why Muslims complain
at the occupation of the Jews in Palestine especially as it is the Islamic
suicide bomber who is standing against the Koran to help those Palestinians
regain control of their lands. I personally do not get involved in politics
but if the Islamic claim is that Pal;estine belongs to the Jews by the
word of God then who are they to complain.
Hanifan you say:
Finally God warns
people to respect each others property and not seek to take that of your
neighbour's out of envy for its inheritance. Does that sound like a revelation
that prepares the way for the recognition of a prophet? Or rather an explanation
of the ins and outs of dealing with criminals and unpremeditated sinners?
Starjade says:
When I was a child I was taught if you cut the head of a Demon then that
Demon will bother you no more.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: Starjade
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Hanifan you say: Now we come to the verses claimed by Stargate to authenticate
his prophet-hood, predicted in 18:15/18:18.
Starjade says:
Well I was wondering when you were going to get around to that. I hope
you gave it much thought.
Hanifan you say:
I ask you, now, to explain how a law that establishes one man's accusation
is not enough to establish another mans guilt concerning a crime, but
2 or 3 witnesses are enough to establish a conviction for a crime, as
explained in the verses highlighted in red, can be taken to establish
the authenticity of a prophet?
Starjade says:
The Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a Jewish law that is designed to
determine matter of the truth especially with regards to crimes of iniquity
and Sin. Recall that the people I have been speaking with regarding those
claims are Jews and those laws bind the Jews. Now you have heard me state
openly and very clearly and without any doubt that I am that very specific
Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. I have also claimed
to be a son of the Living God. And the Living Gods chosen Prophet. That
specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
Starjade says:
Now if I was a liar then I would be guilty of the crime of Blasphemy which
is a crime of iniquity and Sin. The religious law states in Deuteronomy
Chapter 19 Verse 15: One witness shall not rise up against a man for any
iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: At the mouth of two
witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
This is a witness law that is designed to determine matters of the truth
especially about statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous
or sinful. It is not a matter for your own personal opinion; even if nobody
wanted to believe the evidence that is presented. If that law is fulfilled,
then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious
law.
Starjade concludes:
So if the Jews did doubt my words then they must accuse me of Blasphemy
(they did that with Jesus didn't they) Then that law of Deuteronomy Ch
19 v 15 would be invoked and two or three witness can be called to Testify
for or against the accused (that accused would be me) Now I have already
named four witnesses and named three to those Jews who are also a witness
to that fact. Those witnesses I named can Testify that I am a Prophet
who does Prophesise real earthquakes and other grave disasters. During
one of those Prophecies of the future I foretold to them of that woman
praying to God in that Mexican earthquake one year before the event took
place.
That
Mexican
woman was praying to God for help for herself and those babies. They can
also Testify that I sent help to that Mexican woman and those babies and
they did survive that earthquake. Even today that is considered to be
a Miracle. Now those three witness Testimonies
can prove by the religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 therefore, that
I am real prophet who clearly does have a provable by that religious law
connection to the Living God. After all it is not every day you witness
someone overhearing the prayers of a woman buried in earthquake rubble
one year before that event even happened. That proves I do have a connection
to the Living God and can Prophesies real earthquakes.
According to
the religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 therefore, I am a Prophet
who does have a provable connection to the Living God and so I am not
guilty of any crimes of Blasphemy in the statements that I am making and
so I am not guilty of any Crimes of Iniquity and Sin. So I walk free.
Remind yourself that to make such a proclamation would be an act of Blasphemy
if untrue and that in real religious circles does carry the death penalty.
But not for me, for my innocence can be proven by that religious law of
Deuteronomy Ch
19 v 15.
Furthermore the
Jews I spoke with and I name the International Order of Kabbalists of
25 Circle Gardens Merton Park London are also witnesses that I approached
them with revelations of the apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of all
the Jews from the four corners of the Globe. With more details beyond
that Exodus to the survival of all those Jews after that mass world wide
Exodus. They cannot deny that fact as they also published some of my writings
in their 1995 December Issue of the Kabbalist magazine that went world
wide to millions of Jews who live in the four corners of the Globe. I
also kept Photo copies of those letters that they received from me. And
you just know I am a Prolific writer don't you.
So when I claim
that I am that specific prophet that the Living God promised Moses he
would raise up I can prove that is true. By my own acts and deeds. Tell
me how many Prophets do you know of who can be proven to Prophesise real
earthquakes have attempted to gather up those Jews from the four corners
of the globe out of even more devastating earthquakes zones. I say you
know of none. Even Jesus and Muhammad could not prove they Prophesise
real earthquakes and they made no attempt to gather up those Jews from
the four corners of the Globe. I am the only Prophet in history who has
done that by my knowledge and you can be certain that I was gravely serious
as these were Grave matters.
Might I point
out the International Order of Kabbalists have their own printing presses
and contacts with millions of millions of Jews throughout this Planet
and so I saw that of use to my apocalyptic plans and chose the International
Order of Kabbalists to oversee that mass Exodus for that reason. I saw
the potential to save the lives of billions of people and I really do
not give a toss that they just happened to be Jews. What is more the sheer
shock of that Prophet the Jews had been waiting for arriving would have
shook this Planet into silence especially if those Jews did follow my
Exodus Plans as the Living God said they must. And so I told the Jews
to make a fuss as to why they are mass Exodussing and that then would
have gotten other religious communities involved in that Exodus and I
could have saved their lives also.
I do not do things
by halves. To me this was a supernatural Phenomenon that just could save
the lives of billions of people and so I thought it had to be worth attempting
to save their lives by proving that I was that specific Prophet that God
promised Moses he would raise up. Only that specific Prophet could cause
that Mass Exodus of people from the four corners of the globe and proving
I am that Prophet is a real easy thing for me to do which was important
because those billions of people are in a very grave situation that will
cause extinction to this Planet.
Hanifan you say:
As if that is not enough, the verses following verse 15 explain how an
inadequate witness must lead to interrogation by judges, who must establish
guilt or innocence. Then, if the suspect is established as innocent, the
accuser then receives the punishment intended for his victim, because
of the Law of Qasas (Eye for eye, tooth for tooth).
Starjade says:
Exactly the Kings and the Judges and Priests who live in those Times.
Not the common man in the street who maybe religiously ignorant to the
claims that I had been making. If I could not back my mouth up then the
law says I must be put to death for Blasphemy is a crime of Iniquity and
Sin. That does carry the death penalty. So be sure I did not make those
claims out of a whim but out of my own nature as that saviour. And the
fact is the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 can prove by those allegations
that I am a real Prophet who can be proven to have a true connection to
the Living God and in a most unusual way. The law states that to be a
fact so I can claim to be Gods chosen Prophet and nobody on this Planet
can dispute that fact.
Hanifan you say:
Not surprisingly, this law is also described and mandated in the Qur'an,
and is nothing new to the religion of God. Yet no-one has ever tried to
use this law to establish his prophet-hood before. Must be because it
is incapable of doing so.
Starjade says:
I would be interested in hearing the Korans version of that law as I do
have to deal with the descendants of Ishmael. Even though they also are
probably a lost cause I am not one for giving up just because of a few
potential stumbling blocks like the Koran and the false Prophet Muhammad.
Hanifan you say:
The transliterated Hebrew
Quote:15. lo-ya.kum
ed e.khad be.ish le.khol-a.von u.le.khol -kha.tat be.khol-khet a.sher
ye.khe.ta al-pi she.nei e.dim o al-pi she.lo.sha-e.dim ya.kum da.var:
16. ki-ya.kum ed-kha.mas be.ish la.a.not bo sa.ra: 17. ve.am.du she.nei-ha.a.na.shim
a.sher-la.hem ha.riv lif.nei
a.do.nai lif.nei ha.ko.ha.nim ve.ha.shof.tim a.sher yih.yu ba.ya.mim ha.hem:
18. ve.dar.shu ha.shof.tim hei.tev ve.hi.ne ed-she.ker ha.ed she.ker a.na
ve.a.khiv: 19. va.a.si.tem lo ka.a.sher za.mam la.a.sot le.a.khiv u.vi.ar.ta
ha.ra mi.kir.be.kha: 20. ve.ha.nish.a.rim yish.me.u ve.yi.ra.u ve.lo-yo.si.fu
la.a.sot od ka.da.var ha.ra ha.ze be.kir.be.kha:. 21. ve.lo ta.khos ei.ne.kha
ne.fesh be.ne.fesh a.yin be.a.yin shen be.shen yad be.yad re.gel be.ra.gel:s:
Starjade says:
Huh ? Please try that again in English.
Hanifan you quote:
Witnesses 15-21 NASB "A single witness shall not prevail against
a man for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offence that
he has committed; only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three witnesses,
shall a charge be sustained. If a malicious witness rises against any
man to accuse him of wrongdoing, then both parties to the dispute shall
appear before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who are in office
in those days; the judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness
is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall
do to him as he had meant to do to his brother; so you shall purge the
evil from the midst of
you.
Starjade says:
Well now Hanifan do you not consider the claims that I have made to be
Blasphemy. Do you not consider the condemnations I have made about Jesus
and Muhammad as being Blasphemy from your viewpoint. Well then so should
the Jews and Muslims and Christians. But do you see them dare accuse me
of Blasphemy publicly when they know full well that I can back my mouth
up. So it is not I who is guilty of Blasphemy but all of you. And surely
you would be expecting a Prophet with a connection to the Living God to
point those facts out to the congregations. So the iniquity is not mine
but the so called religious congregations no matter what religion they
follow.
Hanifan you quote:
And the rest
shall hear, and fear, and shall never again commit any such evil among
you. Your eye shall not pity; it shall be life for life, eye for eye,
tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Starjade says:
The religious congregations should be afraid the apocalyptic earthquakes
and the 900 km explosion that blasted out of this Planet will bring unknown
horror to this Planet and I am your only hope of survival. And shall my
words be long after I am gone so you would be the wise to collect them.
Hanifan you quote:
[15-21 RSV] "A
single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity
or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses
a matter shall be confirmed. "If a malicious witness rises up against
a man to accuse him of wrongdoing, then both the men who have the dispute
shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will
be {in office} in those days. "The judges shall investigate thoroughly,
and if the witness is a false witness {and} he has accused his brother
falsely, then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his
brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
"The rest
will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among
you. "Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. {15-21 JSPT} One witness shall
not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin
that he sinneth; at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three
witnesses, shall a matter be establishment One witness must not testify
against a person to inflict any punishment or penalty for a crime that
he may have committed. A case must be established through the testimony
of [at least] two or three witnesses. If an unrighteous witness rise up
against any man to bear perverted witness against him; then both the men,
between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the
priests and the judges that shall be in those days.
Starjade says:
Yes as you see two or three witnesses will prove the matter to be true
or not. Now look at what the witnesses that I have named are a witness
to. That witness Testimony proves I am not guilty of any Crime of Iniquity
or Sin. But proves that I am by that witness Testimony a Prophet who does
have a provable connection to the Living God and has already ordered that
mass exodus of Jews from the four corners of the globe.
The witness satisfaction
of the Old Testaments laws. Gods law brought down by Moses.
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
So you see Hanfan
I can back my mouth up with witness Testimonies. Now you understand why
I dare the religious community to accuse me of Blasphemy. They will lose
their accusations but I will win for that Testimony proves my word is
true and that is important if I was to succeed in the saving of lives
on the scale that I proposed.
Hanifan you Quote:
[This is what you must do] if a corrupt witness acts to testify falsely
against a person. Two men who have testimony to refute [the false witnesses]
shall stand before God, before the priests and judges who are involved
in that case. And the judges shall inquire diligently; and, behold, if
the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his
brother; The judges shall carefully interrogate [the refuting witnesses],
and if the [first] two witnesses are found to have testified falsely against
their brother, to refute the false witnesses By testifying that they were
elsewhere at the time that they supposedly saw the act regarding which
they testified (Ramban; Makkoth 5a). involved in that case Literally,
'who are in those days.' Then shall ye do unto him, as he had purposed
to do unto his brother; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst
of thee. you must do the same to them as they plotted to do to their brother,
thus removing evil
from your midst.
Starjade says:
In my case it is clear there is no plot except by the evils ones that
are sent to oppose my rising to that place of Power. We all knew I would
face them. And they have taken their toll and they did abuse my children
and myself for my intent to save the lives of all humans on this Planet.
To this day a death sentence sits upon their heads for that Blasphemy
and by religious law I demand that the religious congregations put them
all to death. Otherwise I am going to use my knowledge to put those so
called religious congregations to death. In case you forget I have seen
a world wide earthquake apocalypse and so I can stone entire continents
to death just by remaining Silent. Already Britain is Doomed as is its
Crown and all within its Kingdom. To this day a religious death sentence
stands on the head of anyone wearing that Crown of England. I can say
they really did not like my plans to save the lives of any Muslims they
even said so in a court. There are things that you do not know of. But
you do know I do speak truths and every time my word is proven true.
Hanifan you say
quoting:
Plotted That
is, where the sentence has not yet been carried out on the basis of their
testimony. However, if it has, the witnesses are not punished, since the
punishment is an atonement (Makkoth 5b; Ramban). And those that remain
shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil
in the midst of thee. When the other people hear about this, they will
have fear and never again do such an evil thing in your midst. And thine
eye shall not pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand
for hand, foot for foot. Do not have pity in such a case, [since you must
take] a life for a life, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, and a
foot for a foot.
Hanifan you say:
Of course, what Starjade deems important in these verses are the establishment
of witnesses to a thing/a claim.
Starjade says:
Perhaps you missed or are just ignoring those witnesses that must be questioned.
The law does say they are important.
Tell me what
witnesses do you think you have for Muhammad. Isnt it all just his own
witness and didn't he say he was alone in a Cave and an Angel appeared
to Him to force him to recite out the error'ed Koran. And wasn't Muhammad
alone on the Mountain when he claimed an Angel called Gabriel appeared
to tell him he was Gods Prophet.
Do you think
that Muhammad's statements would satisfy that law of Deuteronomy or would
his evidence prove he was Guilty of Blasphemy a Crime of iniquity and
Sin. If I had come here with such evidence I would have been laughed at
and ridiculed and justifiably so. Witnesses are important and Muhammad
and Jesus do not have such witnesses to prove their silly claims. But
be sure that Starjade has named four witnesses and more. So as I have
said it is clear that I am King of this Castle from now until the End
of Times. No statements from you or anyone on this Planet can change those
facts. And in my case there are also the many signs in the heavens appearing
in conjunction with each other. They did not and could not occur when
Jesus or Muhammad had lived and those Jews were not then scattered to
the four corners of the globe. Even Time calls them liars and frauds.
Hanifan you say:
He earlier scoffed at the attestations of the Sahaba to the prophet-hood
of Muhammad even though such attestation was indeed Saheeh and well kept
cared for.
Starjade says:
So Muhammad claimed an Angel called Gabriel appeared to him in a cave
and gave him a squeeze and forced him to recite out the words of the Koran
that the Koran itself by the Sura 4:82 States did not come from God despite
Muhammad's claims. And you do not think that a real Prophet from God would
not laugh at such claims. Even you would laugh if those claims came from
anyone other than your beloved Idol. Did you not just spent some Time
quoting religious law that always mention two or three witness. Well then
get two or three witnesses to the claims of Muhammad. Which we all know
do not exist. So then religious laws prove Muhammad is guilty of Iniquity
and Sin.
Hanifan you say:
Yet his own 'evidence' is written up on his own website by him, claiming
witnesses to his visitation to God, and to his prophecies of doom. Yet,
search as I might, outside his website, his witnesses (one of whom he
is unable to recall her name) were untraceable of their testimonies or
even their existence.
Starjade says:
The End of Times web site is not my web site it belongs to an American
Philosopher called Liberty Girl who started collecting my writings many
years ago and placed them on that web site for her own personal viewings.
I am a trained web page designer and so she did give me access codes to
add or edit. But I would not have bothered to build that web site as my
publications were aiming towards hard copy as in books CD and Roms.
The International
Order of Kabbalist's do have the information they require to contact those
witnesses. I have Steve Conchies tel. number and fax number on his business
card. So they are all within easy reach and Steve Conchie is still in
contact with Rob Brockers and they both know the name of the female translator.
All that was needed was for the Jews to check those witnesses out as they
are required by religious laws to do. But they dare not accuse me of Blasphemy
and neither dare those Ishmaelite's for obvious reasons. But if they do
not accuse me of Blasphemy then that is proof they do accept my word as
being true which is self evident. They are afraid of me and my God given
Revelations and the ramifications that they reveal. Or did you miss my
calling and proving that Muhammad and Jesus are both frauds. In fact my
very existence proves that all other claimants to my Crown are automatically
proven to be frauds. Can you even imagine the backlash from that factual
Revelation?
You should try
and think more outside the box and what effect my words could have on
this Planet. People do not like being deceived and Islam and Christianity
are caught out in deception on a grand scale. Of course those Jews did
not like my Exodus plans and they sure as Hell dare not accuse me of Blasphemy.
Imagine the publicity of that court of law when my word is proven to be
true. There would be consequences to that especially with regards the
Jews religion and my Exodus plans, and to Christianity and of Islam and
to the worshipping of your false Prophets and false Gods. That is a can
of worms people are afraid to open. Like the proverbial Pandora's box.
And you have seen yourself Hanifan. I do not back down and I do back my
mouth up. After all I am the only one amongst us who can be proven to
be telling the truth and by religious law.
Hanifan you say:
Furthermore, he claims the judges never questioned him because they were
aware of his 'unbreakable' case and of his potential witnesses. Again
a claim made at his website and nowhere else.
Starjade says:
The Jews are the ones who must Judge it is after all their religion not
yours. They already know I am telling the truth as I spoke of those witnesses
to them long before this apocalypse was even on our minds. And whiles
I wait around for those chicken shits to grow a backbone do you not notice
me writing on the internet. There are Judges in the congregations and
so some other Judges do question me, just not in the official manner that
I had hoped for. The religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 works both
ways as I am also a Judge, jury, and executioner.
I collect the
HTML source codes of such conversations. I have one off a Shepherdic Jew
called Salaudinnynj that is a true pearler. Correct me if I am wrong but
a Shepherdic Jew means that he is an Arab doesn't it. So I have testimonies
off Arabs Jews and off Christians and off Jews and Muslims. All proving
by religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 that they are guilty of Blasphemy.
Perhaps you do not know this but two or three witness prove a thing is
true. And that Blasphemy carries the death penalty. That is punishable
by a death by Stoning. In case you forget I am a Judge also and I am Judging
you all as well as you all Judging me. You see when I leave you all to
be stoned to death for your blasphemy then the Living God will require
an account from me over that act. I can prove that you are all guilty
of Blasphemy and so again the Living God will respect the right of my
Judgements and then your fate is sealed.
Hanifan you say:
When did he write this website? At the time he claimed
the prophecies
of 'the end of time'? or just recently?
Starjade says:
The mad Philosopher Liberty girl created that website. I think it was
about 1997. The maps displayed were made around 1995. And yes there is
a Prophecy of the End of Times including a map of that event and a narration
in Starjades Journey beyond the grave. So as I was most exacting then
that is the final proof that my word was true because one day that is
an apocalyptic event that this entire Planet will have to face. I shall
see if there is a record of when Liberty Girl first made that web site
and placed those maps of the future on display.
The End of Times
web site:
http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/
Hanifan you say:
Quote: Copyright
2001 Does the recent earthquake & tsunami fulfill his prophecy?
Starjade says:
Here is a small statement that can be found at the End of the thread Starjades
Journey beyond the grave.
Verse. 6: If
you do not Exodus away from those lands then you, your children and generations
of their children have no hope of Survival, and then you will all certainly
die in horror when those lands and those buildings collapse by these serious
earthquakes of apocalyptic magnitude. Dark cloud covered many areas of
the globe obscuring my view of the Planets surface and so I am not in
a position to know what occurred beneath those dark clouds or of what
occurred on the other side of the globe because that was out of my sight,
many other lands could have collapsed that I am not aware of and cannot
detail because they were obscured from my view. As I am the one drawing
that fine line between life and death I feel responsible to give you my
view about what occurs beneath those dark clouds and it is all very grim,
I have provided you with some maps so you can envisage that scene and
you can follow my conclusions and judge this apocalypse also for yourself.
When I first came through the Veil of the Abyss and saw this Planet, I
could see Australia very clearly and it had no islands around it at all,
only the blue waters of the Oceans. I am not geographically minded and
so at the Time I saw Australia I did not realise that it should have had
islands around it, the Island of Madagascar also had gone, New Zealand
had gone and the Indonesian islands, in fact there was no land or islands
around Australia and no other lands in the South Seas all the way to China,
it was just empty Ocean, I did not realise at that Time that these lands
and islands should have been there. The Oceans around the South Seas seemed
calm with only Australia in view. Dense dark clouds hung low over North
and South America obscuring my view of those continents and so at that
Time of my watching I did not realise that anything was wrong.
Starjade says:
No Hanifan that 2004 Tsunami was very small and Tame I am talking about
Mega Tsunami's that were powerful enough to move South America across
the Pacific Ocean. What you were seeing here in 2004/5 is nothing compared
with what is yet to follow which is all very clearly mapped out on the
map on the End of Times web site. It can be proven for a fact that in
1995/96 I ordered a mass Exodus of Jews out of those lands specifically
because of the grave situation that was going to befall those islands
in the South seas. Now do you upon reflection think that I was giving
Good or bad advice. Had they moved as I had said then no Jew would have
died. So I was there for them way back in 1995.
Now tell me where
was Muhammad or Jesus ? And what good were they ?
Hanifan you say:
The last time
I checked Australia is still surrounded by islands.
Starjade says
in Prophecy: "EXACTLY" But as the future unfolds the map that I made shows
what those South Sea Islands will look like then in that future. When
I make a Prophecy I do not make mistakes. Those Prophecies I make always
come true and this then proves that it is South Sea situation is "NOT
OVER" but that more devastation from Earthquakes and Mega Tsunami's are
going to wipe away those Islands and everything and everyone will die
if they do not "Exodus" that entire region. For a further narration look
for Verse 6 on the End of Times web site in Starjades Journey beyond the
grave.
Hanifan you say:
Where has he come up with his 'end of times' living God of Kether Fantasy
game?
Starjade says:
How stupid of you to think I am playing some Game. I outright proved in
front of your face that the Koran did not come from God and that Muhammad
is a liar and a fraud. You could not dispute that could you and you did
try just as so very many tried who came before you. The Christians could
not defend Jesus either he is another fraud. But hey look at me I simply
ooze Prophecy out of every pore of my being. I am the true King of this
Castle from now until the End of Times. And Kether is a Hebrew name for
God. Isnt it the wise to use an unfamiliar name when speaking with people
about the Living God. After all I am not a Preacher.
Hanifan you say:
Well, this is the stargate virtual fantasy world 'Living Gods' role playing
game which 'Stargate' is trying out on us, and others.
Starjade says:
I am playing no game and I was challenged by Muslims. They goaded me to
challenge Islam and so I challenged Islam and as I expected Islam bit
the dust and to this day no Muslims has been able to defend Islam against
my God given revelations and anyone reading these words can see that is
very true. Now all Muslims can do is shirk.
Hanifan you say:
This game became available in 1997, four years before he published his
fantasy on the net.
Starjade says:
It is clear from anyone who has encountered me that I am a very deep thinker
and religiously superior to your (cough) so called religious experts and
that includes yourself Hanfan. Many have come before you and they have
all bitten the dust unable to defend their religions or their false Prophets.
Your own Imams hide their faces away from me afraid to challenge me. I
am King of this Castle. I have been the King of this Castle ever since
I returned back from beyond the grave in 1980 and resurrected my own body
and walked away.
But after conversations
with the Kabbalists and thinking of the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15
and those witnesses that can prove I am a genuine Prophet who does have
a provable connection to the Living God. Well that did make me think of
a way I could potentially save the lives of billions of people. And I
did attempt to save their lives but Blasphemy got the better of them and
that carries the death penalty.
Someone suggested
that I could re create the apocalyptic event using computers. They meant
in a desk top publishing venue. So in 1996 I enrolled in the Blackpool
and Fylde College to learn computer technologies. I had not even switched
on a computer ever at that Time so it was all new to me but needed to
be done. I was still there beyond the year 2000. I am now trained as a
Desk top publisher and as a web page designer and can use Photoshop and
even Flash. Flash means that I can now make movies using computers and
so it is clear where I am heading. The desk top publishing for hard copy
and the flash means I can re produce the apocalyptic event using NASA
satellite Photographs of this Planet that would be mathematically accurate.
Now then if a
Book cost £5 and a million people buy that book then I have £5 million
quid. But the topic of conversations mean every religious person on this
Planet would want a looksee. If half of this Planet buy that book then
that would be 15 Billion pounds. Then imagine the same for a CD Rom showing
that even but costing £10.
Now you see the
Multi Billionaire potential of my business prospects. I do not need your
Churches funds. I can build my own biosphere with that kind of money and
I do not even need the worlds congregations after all have you not heard
of a thing called DNA. I can re create my own race of Mankind. So trust
me I have looked into these matters very deeply and you should not be
underestimating me.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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hanifan Junior Member Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 25 Location:
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: Re:
Starjade is King of the Castle:
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Starjade wrote:
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Hanifan you say: This is the Chapter that Stargate claims his
authority from. I have the New American Standard Version, [The
Revised Standard Version] and the {Hebrew JPS Tanach} &, JPS
commentary for verses 15-21
Starjade says: Wasn't my patience astonishing: Oh dear another
re written biblical text that seems a common thing nowadays tsk
tsk tsk. You already know that you cannot trust re written versions
as those Christians do like to manipulate the Bibles they print
out in the favour of their religious beliefs. And you do know
that they believe that Jesus is that prophet that God promised
Moses he would raise up don't you.
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Just the standard
translations. They are all virtually the same. I gave a variety so that
any danger of misunderstanding what it says there is negated. the JPS
is the Tanakh, not the Bible, and the Hebrew transliteration and link
to the Hebrew was there so anyone can check the meaning. No sliding out
of this one.
starjade wrote:
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Author The Christian Preacher Iris: Discourse on Moses Foretold
the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua):
And if you want to re word my cyberspace name out of bitterness
then should I call you Barffan. We can all play games with words
but why should you take such things personal. My Cyberspace name
is Starjade a name well known throughout the world.
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My Bad. No wonder
I couldn't find you when I googled. 'The Living God' association with
Stargate fooled me into not noticing my mistake. My apologies. But you
are roleplaying, my friend. And to the hilt.
Starjade wrote:
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Hanifan you say:
The first page is the context, in which God designates three cities
to be used by the Jews, for a purpose: to give refuge to some
criminals exiled, and to deny refuge to absolute exiles (verse
4-7). This is so legal rulings can be emplaced for the criminal
courts.
Starjade says: Mmm I don't even recall speaking of such things:
I did mention many errors and discrepancies found in the Koran
proving that the Koran did not come from God. Wasn't the other
city created to stop Jews killing each other. I do sort of recall
something about that in the Old Testament. Of Exiling them.
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This is not the
Qur'an. And you recall correctly. Deuteronomy 19. The same chapter your
'proof of prophethood' comes from.
starjade wrote:
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Hanifan you say:
Then God reminds the people of Israel of his promise to give them
Land, but again explains that this land should not be blemished
by murder (verse 10-13), stipulating that the murderer should
be punished without mercy.
Starjade says: Did you know that Islamic belief is that Palestine
is claimed as being that promised Land of the Jews. It makes one
wonder then why Muslims complain at the occupation of the Jews
in Palestine especially as it is the Islamic suicide bomber who
is standing against the Koran to help those Palestinians regain
control of their lands. I personally do not get involved in politics
but if the Islamic claim is that Palestine belongs to the Jews
by the word of God then who are they to complain.
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Well, that was
totally off the point. But, then, it wasn't for you, just for others to
contextualise your claim to prophet hood (Deuteronomy 19:15).
starjade wrote:
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Hanifan you say:
Finally God warns people to respect each others property and not
seek to take that of your neighbour's out of envy for its inheritance.
Starjade says: When I was a child I was taught if you cut the
head of a Demon then that Demon will bother you no more.
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Were you? How
interesting: This was the question concerning Deuteronomy 19:1-14
Does that sound
like a revelation that prepares the way for the recognition of a prophet?
Or rather an explanation of the ins and outs of dealing with criminals
and unpremeditated sinners?
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Verily, I have
turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth 'hanifa',
and I am not of the idolators.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: Starjade
the King of the Castle and explorer of the Abyss:
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Hanifan you say: Finally, he describes his Living God, claiming he is
describing the Living God of the Muslims, Jews and the Christians. Starjade's
concept of 'the Living God':
Starjade says:
There is only one God. And I have given a true description of the one
true Living God.
I must say it
is rather silly of you to think you could comment about such a thing.
It is proven for a fact that your God Allah is nothing more than a God
of Muhammad's own imagination. Or perhaps you forget the Sura 4:82 of
the Koran is a challenge to all Muslims and non muslims to find errors
in the Koran. If any errors are found in the Koran then that is proof
that the Koran did not come form God as Muhammad has claimed and that
in fact also proves that Muhammad was presumptuous to think he could speak
in Gods name and when ever he spoke of God he was just giving out his
own ideals of what he wanted his God to be like. But either way you are
still a follower of a false God.
Now you have
a new knowledge of the one true Living God that lives beyond the Veil
of the Abyss in deep space. There is no other God.
Starjades Quote:
A white sphere of energy in the dark abyss.
Hanifans quote:
This living entity is described by him thus:
Starjades quote:
What I saw was a living white Spherical entity, a dazzling pure white
Sphere that was radiating white light and this Spherical entity was alive
and it thinks.
Starjade says:
Yes that is what I saw and a good exacting description of the Living God.
Hanifan you say:
He also saw himself as a part of it, and that he and it moved in hyper-space:
Starjade quote:
I turned towards the white light I had just come from. I watched it fly
off out of my sight into the distant darkness. I was alone. I now glowed
astrally with that same radiance and colour of white light for I have
truly been reborn and I am now a small part of that living white Spheres
energy.
Starjade says:
Yes I was a part of it and I truly have been re born at the core of that
living White Sphere. That makes the Living White Sphere my father now
doesn't it and that makes me a son of the Living God.
Hanifan you say:
His idea of Satan/Hell
Starjade quote:
I saw in the far distance of the Abyss a massive cloud of Grey energies.
This cloud of Grey energies rolled and billowed and rumbled, exploding
like thunder. There was enough power there to blow away this entire universe
as easy as blowing out a candle. I scanned this massive cloud of Grey
energies. This Grey cloud of energies was alive and it thinks.
Starjade says:
Without any doubt that is the Hell our ancestors spoke about. It really
does exist.
Hanifan quote:
He describes how he fled from it.
Starjade quote:
I received a telepathic message from the dazzling white Sphere warning
me that I was in danger. I was in danger and that this Grey cloud had
only Evil intent. I flew away as fast as I could and was feeling all of
Hell breaking loose behind me. I glowed of a very bright radiating white
light and so I could easily be seen in the darkness of the Abyss, and
my horizons everywhere were of distant darkness, so I had no place to
hide away from the Demons of Hell that pursued me
Starjade says:
Yes Hanifan I did not want to be captured by them. I did escape my pursuers
but they do know that I came this way. Sadly when I arrived on the other
side of the Abyss there was an apocalypse going on and a planet was becoming
extinct. Those dying Souls will then pass beyond the Veil of the Abyss
and those grey ones will be on the other side. So for the population on
this Planet that is like out of the frying pan and into a grey fire. But
I was going to be around to help them when they made that Journey after
all I am the perfect Guide to escort them across the Abyss. The Exodus
plans of mine go well beyond the confines of this Planet and are well
thought out even beyond the grave. After all it is not as if I had anything
else special to do I was just exploring. And I am a Time traveller.
Hanifan you say:
These are very physical descriptions, his only non physical contact with
them being 'sensing this' and 'sensing that'.
Starjade says:
Yes well telepathy and unusual sensory perceptions are the awareness and
means of communications beyond the grave. Why do you think we all have
tongue and sit around chatting with sound waves. That is rather nieve
of you. I tell you now though I was surprised that Grey cloud spotted
me and it did seem to reach out and look right at me. I do think that
that clouds forces would be able to physically touch me. I just cannot
understand why the cloud itself could not. And I did feel the touch of
the Veil of the Abyss.
Hanifan you say:
Does he have a witness for these 'encounters' with God and the Devil?
No. He was alone.
Starjade says:
I have not mentioned a Devil and the grey ones are plural as in many Devils.
I prefer to see them as being Demons as Devils is a sort of Christian's
explanation and not mine. And Hanifan you should re read that Journey
as I was far from being alone.
As for a witness:
Well I cannot produce a witness to you regarding my descriptions and my
encounter with the Living God. I can only tell you what went on and what
I saw. But proof of my encounters does exist right in front of your face.
You have all heard me describe the face of this Planet at the Time of
my return. There is no doubt I was specific and describing an apocalyptic
scene. So when that event happens and be sure it will then that is proof
that my word is all-true. Plus the fact that it can be proven without
doubt that I can be proven to be a genuine Prophet who does have a provable
connection to the Living God just adds to my evidence. After all a real
Prophet from God who can be proven by religious law must know something
of the Living God beyond your own knowledge. So look again at what I have
said and the Maps that I have drawn and realise that you have the proof
of my Journey right there in front of your very eyes. But you do not want
to look so deep do you.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:
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Starjade wrote:
Hanifan you say: This is the Chapter that Stargate claims his
authority from. I have the New American Standard Version, [The
Revised Standard Version] and the {Hebrew JPS Tanach} &, JPS
commentary for verses 15-21 Starjade says: Wasn't my patience
astonishing: Oh dear another re written biblical text that seems
a common thing nowadays tsk tsk tsk. You already know that you
cannot trust re written versions as those Christians do like to
manipulate the Bibles they print out in the favour of their religious
beliefs. And you do know that they believe that Jesus is that
prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up don't you.
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Hanifan you say:
Just the standard translations. They are all virtually the same. I gave
a variety so that any danger of misunderstanding what it says there is
negated. the JPS is the Tanakh, not the Bible, and the Hebrew transliteration
and link to the Hebrew was there so anyone can check the meaning. No sliding
out of this one.
Starjade says:
I never trust Bibles that are printed and re versed by the Christians
many are religiously ignorant and do not realise that in changing certain
words they are destroying the validity of the Bibles they preach from.
They should not be altering any words. I always preferred the New world
Translations. But no matter. The accusation of the Crime of Iniquity can
still be answered to and of course the Jews to whom I originally are speaking
with have their own Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law statements. Either way
I can still adapt to the altered change and prove my words true.
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starjade wrote:
Author The Christian Preacher Iris: Discourse on Moses Foretold
the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua): And if you want to re word my cyberspace
name out of bitterness then should I call you Barffan. We can
all play games with words but why should you take such things
personal. My Cyberspace name is Starjade a name well known throughout
the world.
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Hanifan you say:
My Bad. No wonder I couldn't find you when I googled. 'The Living God'
association with Stargate fooled me into not noticing my mistake. My apologies.
But you are roleplaying, my friend. And to the hilt.
Starjade says:
I am not role playing I am genuine and very serious my statements make
that very clear. My only intent was to prove to the Jews that I was that
specific Prophet so I could mass Exodus them out of other earthquake zones.
Other stuff just came along as I travelled down that path. In 1996 up
to around 1998 I wrote under my first name or under the Title the Crown
of the Living White Sphere of Kether which was too much of a Gob full.
The Name Starjade came from my eldest daughter. Her name is Emily Jade.
She truly was the Star of my life. It's a long and very sad story.
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Starjade wrote:
Hanifan you say: The first page is the context, in which God designates
three cities to be used by the Jews, for a purpose: to give refuge
to some criminals exiled, and to deny refuge to absolute exiles
(verse 4-7). This is so legal rulings can be emplaced for the
criminal courts. Starjade says: Mmm I don't even recall speaking
of such things: I did mention many errors and discrepancies found
in the Koran proving that the Koran did not come from God. Wasn't
the other city created to stop Jews killing each other. I do sort
of recall something about that in the Old Testament. Of Exiling
them.
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Hanifan you say:
This is not the Qur'an. And you recall correctly. Deuteronomy 19. The
same chapter your 'proof of prophethood' comes from.
Starjade says:
Huh ? Yes well that is a long chapter. And god set a law forbidding them
to kill each other and yet look at them all today. I did think many other
scenarios regarding those Jews and the Exodus if they were not responsive
to my Exodus plans. The Jews are not well liked by many people. Although
it is not a well known fact even though they are spread to the four corners
of the Globe they can be mass evicted from many of those countries as
they are not classed at true citizens. It was something I read whiles
reading up on 6 thousand years of Jewish history. So those Jews could
be gathered by force if they chose to be Blasphemous which I suspected
they would be. But you know Blasphemy laws are clear and as I have made
that claim of being that Prophet they had been waiting for then I should
be expected to uphold Gods law. I just thought I would mention that as
there was more than one plan that I had formulated.
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starjade wrote:
Hanifan you say: Then God reminds the people of Israel of his
promise to give them Land, but again explains that this land should
not be blemished by murder (verse 10-13), stipulating that the
murderer should be punished without mercy. Starjade says: Did
you know that Islamic belief is that Palestine is claimed as being
that promised Land of the Jews. It makes one wonder then why Muslims
complain at the occupation of the Jews in Palestine especially
as it is the Islamic suicide bomber who is standing against the
Koran to help those Palestinians regain control of their lands.
I personally do not get involved in politics but if the Islamic
claim is that Palestine belongs to the Jews by the word of God
then who are they to complain.
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Hanifan you say:
That was totally off the point. But, then, it wasn't for you, just for
others to contextualise your claim to prophet hood (Deuteronomy 19:15).
Starjade says:
Well all this talk of promised lands was to the point. If Islam claims
that Palestine belongs to the Jews then Islam should not be giving help
to kill Jews on behalf of Palestine people as then they stand against
the claims of the Koran. Besides that those Palestinians are now mainly
Arabs and they are Jews also. It is against the Jewish Law for a Jew to
Kill a Jew except in the eye for an eye law. Which can also become complicated
and not as simple as it seems. And the laugh of it all is that I advised
the Israelites to sell off the present lands for Israel for larger land
in Africa way back in 1995. Had they listened none of these problems in
the Middle East would have existed. Mind you as the Arabs are Jews also
and they were to be exodussed also. The Living God said one nation not
two. So I was going to join the two tribes. I suppose upon reflection
I can understand the pressure that Exodus plan would have on those people.
Still my plans would built on a rock foundation. After all are they both
worshippers of God or of each other. Then they should do as God wants
not what they want.
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starjade wrote:
Hanifan you say: Finally God warns people to respect each others
property and not seek to take that of your neighbour's out of
envy for its inheritance. Starjade says: When I was a child I
was taught if you cut the head of a Demon then that Demon will
bother you no more.
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Hanifan you say:
Were you? How interesting: This was the question concerning Deuteronomy
19:1-14 Does that sound like a revelation that prepares the way for the
recognition of a prophet? Or rather an explanation of the ins and outs
of dealing with criminals and unpremeditated sinners?
Starjade says:
I know you could not understand but I was taught by what are known as
Hidden masters. And yes they did teach me that. It is most sensible as
well when you think about it. It was mainly in the way of dealing with
Demons. Demons can exist in many ways shapes and forms. One cannot use
such a view to exact on all criminals because again it is a matter of
views in the Judgements of such crimes. In some cases murder is justifiable.
But to another in their view it is not. One has to really Judge both sides
of the coin. Some people Sin without realising it. Take false Prophet
worshippers for instance. They may have total faith and believe they are
giving their worship to God even though they are unknowingly mistaken.
It is really a matter of intent.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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iris89 Senior Member Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 451 Location:
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:46 am Post subject:
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Hi Everyone
My I am surprized
at how well Starjade knows his subjects, Hanifan you should learn a lot
from Starjade.
Your Friend in
Christ Iris89
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DoctorMaybe Member Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 96 |
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:
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Starjade says: Whtas the matter don't you own a Koran. What kind
of Muslim are you. The Koran also says that after this grisly
death the magicians bodies were then cut into pieces. Again that
is all just fabrication and adds further to the many errors and
lies found in the Koran. In case you forgot during this deceptive
shirk of yours. You claimed that the Bible confirmed that the
Magicians were crucified and I demanded that you back up your
mouth and show us all exactly where. Now you have shirked that
task because those Magicians were not threatened at all. It was
just you claiming that was so but when challenged you were unable
to defend that deception as you know and I know and everyone knows
in the Bible those Magicians were not threatened by the Pharaoh
at all
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Again, show me
the verse where Pharoah actually cut off the hands and feet of the magicians
and crucified them. Infact, pharaoh said
In Surah AL-ARAF
chapter number 7 verse number 124
""Be
sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I
will cause you all to die on the cross."
AND
In Surah ASH-SHUARA
chapter number 26 verse number 49
"Said (Pharaoh):
"Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? surely he is your
leader, who has taught you sorcery! but soon shall ye know! Be sure I
will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will cause
you all to die on the cross!"
These are the
only two verses in the entire Quran where Pharaoh threatened to
kill the magicians.
From what I have
learned so far, you claim the Quran is "fabricated" because
it does not agree with the bible. If you insist on doing this, I guess
there is no use of arguing with you. It's just a waste of time. Anyways,
best of luck with your cult.
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Sam Shamouni,
Jochen Katz and Ali Sina love to wrestle in mud, wearing nothing but bikinis.
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Starjade Member Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 134 |
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Starjade
is King of the Apocalyptic Castle
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Why thank you Iris: I did give this matter some thought before I approached
the Jews with my plans for the Exodus of the Jews from the four corners
of the globe. I would have to be able to prove I was that specific Prophet
if I was to be able to save the lives of the Hebrew congregations who
are this day living in those non survivable earthquake zones around the
world.
As you can see
I was using pure logic and not opinion. I had an apocalyptic plan that
would just blow your mind and the Jews religion made my plans so very
easy. Even down to the cost of the Exodus right down to the Labour for
building that apocalyptic city that would be needed to escape the toxic
atmosphere that will encompass this earth.
The Living God
had the foresight to tax the Jews. The first born of man and beast. I
have been too busy to estimate the debit that the Jews are in because
of that tax which by today's Time would run into trillions of shekels.
Plus each Time a head count of the Jews is made a Tax exists that must
be paid and owed to the Living God. I demanded a head count of those Jews
way back in 1997. If a Jew is in debit then Jewish law says they must
work for free until that debit is paid. I say as I can be proven by Jewish
law to be that specific Prophet that those Hebrews have been waiting for
then I have a right to demand that Tax from them on behalf of the Living
God.
This would pay
for the Exodus and the building of the apocalyptic city, which is that
third Temple that those Jews have been waiting to build. Plus stock it
with supplies. This city this Temple would have to be immense to contain
those descendants of Abraham comfortably possibly for many years. Until
the apocalypse had settled and the atmosphere return to some normality.
Then those descendants of Abraham could then move onto the new Promised
Land that will be in the South Eastern Atlantic Basin next to Africa in
that apocalyptic future. I saw it arrive that day with mine own eyes.
Clearly then
as the atmosphere would be toxic and because the rift valley is splitting
open creating a new sea channel between the middle east and Africa then
it would be difficult for the Jews to make that Journey to that new promised
land in those Times in that future and so it is logic and the wise to
build that city close to the new promised Land in Africa taking also into
account the Tidal flows of the Atlantic ocean as it moves along the banks
of the New promised land. So my plans then was to sell off the lands of
Israel to the Muslims for larger land in Africa in a location of my choice
that I already know is ruled and owned by those Muslims.
The Jews did
not like that Exodus plan and they had their own view of where and what
that third Temple should be like. Their plans will get them killed and
I have warned them if they try and build that Third Temple in Israel then
the Living God's anger will blaze upon them and they will be smitten down.
Anyway that disagreement was why they chose to break their Covenant with
the Living God. It seems that they preferred to listen to Prophecies made
by Isaiah and other Prophets on where they say that Temple shall be. I
did point out that those Past Prophets are entitled to their views but
they were not the Chosen one and those matters are things of only my Judgements.
Deuteronomy
Ch 18 Verse 18:
A Prophet I shall
raise up in the "MIDST" of your Brothers , like you.
And I shall indeed
put my words in his mouth
and he will certainly
speak to them all that I command him.
Deuteronomy Ch
18 Verse 19:
And it must occur
that the man who will not listen to my words
that he will
speak in my name.
I shall myself
require an account from him.
Hence the Jews
who are descendants of Isaac broke their Covenant and that Blasphemy will
be the death of them. And that death will be world wide.
I have maps showing
me where every Jewish settlement is on earth and they are almost all in
non-survivable earthquake zones. When I say earthquake zones that is the
15 minute series of apocalyptic earthquakes that devastated this planet
but that also includes volcanic eruptions and land deluges and land movements
all encompassing the entire apocalyptic scene that ended with a 900 km
explosion blasting out the Arctic circle and the whole of Alaska into
outer space. Anyone near that blast would be seared to the bone by the
Pyroclastic flow and disintegrated. The rest of the world will be suffocated
as the toxic fumes fill up inside the atmosphere of this Planet.
I have not yet
approached the descendants of Ishmael with such Exodus plans and in case
you have forgotten they are followers of a false Prophet called Muhammad
and they built a new Golden Calf called the Koran. This is why I then
began my conversations with the followers of the religion of Islam. And
as you have seen and have witnessed. I have used Islamic law and the Sura
4:82 to prove that Muhammad is a fraud and that the Koran did not come
from God and certainly is not the final Revelation. I am the one who has
that knowledge and who is giving that final Revelation. And even if my
words sound out into an empty wilderness, my words are still the words
of the Living God's Chosen one, and those words are the words and the
Revelations of the Living God.
Hanifan: You
have spoken of the Law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 v15. You can see my logic
and you can see by that Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15: I can without any
doubt be proven to be a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection
to the Living God. I am the only Prophet in existence apart from Moses
who has attempted to gather up those Jews from the four corners of the
globe. And at a Time when all those many signs in the Heavens aligned
up in conjunction with each other.
Had those Jews
followed the laws of their religion which are the Living Gods laws and
they mass Exodussed as I have advised. Then they could possibly be the
only remaining people left alive on this Planet. Their own religion would
have saved them and all they needed was to have Faith. Without any doubt
when the apocalypse I have described occurs at that future Time then those
Jews religion would have been fulfilled completely and I would most certainly
have been the true Saviour of those Jews and in a most practical life
saving way. That certainly makes a Soul think long and hard upon reflection
at the things that I am doing here in my days of Living.
Perhaps now you
see why I am the challenger and why the false religions on this earth
and their false Prophets who are pretenders to my Crown are all defenceless
against me.
My final advice
to those Jews was to carry a small sharp knife. For it may be that they
will find themselves trapped in the earthquake rubble or whatever. And
my advice then if faced with such an outcome to do as was done by the
people of Masada. To cut the left hand Jugular vein in the neck. The body
will die painlessly and they would be free from their tombs. Or to assist
others who maybe trapped and want to be free. It is better that way than
suffer a slow death in misery. After all do they not have faith even when
they show they have no faith in the living God and the world beyond this
mortal coil. They would be free like me. And by then they would know my
words are true for I saw the event they were all trapped and dying in
whiles out of my body and in outer space. So then they know they cannot
lose. Cut the left hand Jugular Vein in the neck and the body dies painlessly
and they then would be free.
I really did
think of everything and that is why the Living God made such a good choice
in the choosing of me, for I have that depth of thought and consideration
for others and their fate. Whatever the outcome after my second Death
and I am gone from this place. There is no doubt that I am a real saviour
and it is important that nobody ever forgets the days of my visitation.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: Starjade
to Dr Maybe.
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Starjade says: Whtas the matter don't you own a Koran. What kind
of Muslim are you. The Koran also says that after this grisly
death the magicians bodies were then cut into pieces. Again that
is all just fabrication and adds further to the many errors and
lies found in the Koran. In case you forgot during this deceptive
shirk of yours. You claimed that the Bible confirmed that the
Magicians were crucified and I demanded that you back up your
mouth and show us all exactly where. Now you have shirked that
task because those Magicians were not threatened at all. It was
just you claiming that was so but when challenged you were unable
to defend that deception as you know and I know and everyone knows
in the Bible those Magicians were not threatened by the Pharaoh
at all
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Dr Maybe you
said: Again, show me the verse where Pharaoh actually cut off the hands
and feet of the magicians and crucified them. In fact, pharaoh said
In Surah AL-ARAF
chapter number 7 verse number 124
""Be
sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I
will cause you all to die on the cross."
AND
In Surah ASH-SHUARA
chapter number 26 verse number 49
"Said (Pharaoh):
"Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? surely he is your
leader, who has taught you sorcery! but soon shall ye know! Be sure I
will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will cause
you all to die on the cross!"
These are the
only two verses in the entire Quran where Pharaoh threatened to
kill the magicians.
Starjade says:
Well hello there Dr Maybe. Its been a while since you have spoken up.
You have been away a while. We are aware that in the Koran it claims that
those Magicians were threatened with death and of the cutting off of the
hands and feet on opposite sides and then being crucified. The Korans
Exodus version also states that the bodies of those Magicians were then
cut up into pieces and scattered about the place.
But the thing
is that it only claims that in the Koran and not in the Old Testament
which was recorded by the Jews who lived in those times over a thousand
years before Muhammad and the Koran were even born. So the Koran is re
inventing that Exodus story which is not based on those ancient Jews Testimonies.
That is why the Koran is proven to be in error for those Magicians were
not threatened at all. In fact the Pharaoh had faith in those Magicians
and those Magicians did what they could but Moses was too Powerful for
them After all his God was God.
Now you claimed
that the Bible confirmed the threat against those Magicians but it does
not. If it is of any consolation to you. I also would have said that Moses
was the one to cast down his staff that turned into a snake not Aaron
as the Old Testament claims. For Moses was the one with the Power, and
I cannot see what any of this had to do with Aaron. But that is just an
opinion. Not a proven fact. I was not born in those times and neither
were you or Muhammad or his followers. So we cannot just voice our own
opinions and thoughts as if they are facts. We must go with what those
Jews of that Time say as they are the ones who recorded those events and
they are the ones who lived in those Times.
Muhammad is already
proven to be a false Prophet by many things especially the Sura 4:82 and
the many errors that exist in the Koran. The Koran itself says if just
one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not
come from God as Muhammad has claimed showing that his word on these matters
cannot be trusted as being true. Errors and discrepancies that you have
been ignoring, even when you requested that I give you a list of those
errors. The Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up was coming
here to gather up those Jews from the four corners of the globe and yet
those Jews were not scattered to the four corners of the globe when Muhammad
lived and he never made any attempt to gather them up anyway which shows
he did not and could not fulfil the Living Gods Prophecy of the coming
of the Chosen one that God promised Moses he would raise up. So on many
accounts Muhammad could not have been who he has claimed himself to be.
And I named other
things that exist in the Koran that show that Muhammad was not who he
claimed himself to be. Such as Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters
of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed
himself to be. That is most odd and strange and also proves Muhammad is
a fraud. Because the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be is that
very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And Jesus
made those claims long before Muhammad was even born.
Discourse on
Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua): Author the Christian Preacher
Iris:
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=4860&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Now you know
and I know and the whole of the Islamic world knows that the Prophet that
Muhammad has claimed himself to be: Is that very specific Prophet that
God promised Moses he would raise up. So then why did Muhammad believe
that Jesus was that Prophet also. And why then does the Koran glorify
Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. When
Muhammad then claims himself as being that same Prophet as well. And why
did Muhammad not realise that the Prophet that Jesus was claiming himself
to be was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up which
is the Prophet that Muhammad is also claiming himself to be. It all just
defies logic and draws only one true logical conclusion.
The Living God
only promised to raise up only one Prophet. That Prophet was Prophesied
to come here just before an apocalypse when as it was in the days of Noah
there would be an extinction of the species. That Prophet was then going
to gather up those Jews from the four corners of the globe and lead them
all to a new promised Land at a Time just before that apocalypse.
It is not possible
for either Jesus of Muhammad to have been that Prophet. During the times
when Jesus and Muhammad had lived those Jews were not then scattered to
the four corners of the globe. That on happened in the 19 century during
the world wars and because of the persecution of those Jews. Only now
are they scattered to the four corners of the globe and only can does
communications world wide make it possible to contact those people around
the four corners of the globe.
So many other
things do show Muhammad is not who he has claimed himself to be and I
have not even mentioned the many signs in the Heavens and the arrival
of that actual specific prophesied Prophet that God promised Moses he
would raise up who appeared at a Time when those many Signs in the heavens
appearing in conjunction with each other with Revelations of the apocalypse
with view to an Exodus from the four corners of the globe. Those Jews
and false Prophets of the Past had no faith or patience to await the real
prophet. Many did not even believe that Prophet would be coming at all.
So they took advantage of the congregations.
Dr Maybe you
say: From what I have learned so far, you claim the Quran is "fabricated"
because it does not agree with the bible.
Starjade says:
The Koran was fabricated and Muhammad has been proven to be a fraud even
by the words of the Koran itself and I have used statements in the Koran
to prove that to be a fact and pointed out other discrepancies that also
contradict Testimonies that existed long before Muhammad was even born.
You are avoiding those errors and you cannot explain Muhammad's belief
in Jesus for Muhammad was claiming himself to be the very same Prophet
that Jesus has claimed himself to be and it is very clear that Muhammad
was not aware that Jesus had claimed that he was that Prophet that God
promised Moses he would raise up and that is why he glorified Jesus just
as 11 chapters of the Koran does as claiming Jesus as being Gods Prophet.
Too bad for Muhammad that the Christian Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza,
did not bother to explain that to Muhammad during their conversations.
After all. All Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised
Moses he would raise up and that is why they call Jesus the King of the
Jews. That long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise
up is without doubt the King of those Jews. Both Jesus and Muhammad have
both claimed themselves to being that specific Prophet.
Dr Maybe you
say:
If you insist
on doing this, I guess there is no use of arguing with you. It's just
a waste of time. Anyways, best of luck with your cult.
Starjade says:
I am not a part of any Cult but a part of a fulfilment of the Jews religion
because I happen to be that very specific prophet that God promised Moses
he would raise up. And you already know that I am someone who is in a
position to prove that statement to be true. I do not need to make silly
claims of some imaginary Angel Gabriel appearing to authenticate me. Instead
I used the religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. And the many signs
in the Heavens and my own acts and deeds, that also include a Miracle
that I had a hand in whiles here on earth and also the actual word of
the Living God. So do understand I was not even asking the Jews for their
opinion. I was telling them those facts and whiles doing that I gave them
Revelations of that future Apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of those
Jews from the four corners of the globe. Even the Law of Deuteronomy Ch
19 v 15 that binds those Jews state it is not the common man of the Jews
but the Kings and Priests and Judges of those Times who are the ones who
must Judge my claims diligently. And be sure I am in a position to defend
that claim from now and beyond those End of Times. In fact the End of
Times apocalyptic Revelations that I have given will be my final word
and final proof that I really am who I have shown that I can be proven
even by religious law to be. Nobody on this Planet is in any position
to dispute my claims. And I find it very entertaining when I meet those
who think they can dispute my claim to being that very specific Prophet
that God promised Moses he would raise up. My claim is irrefutable. And
many religious experts and others have come along to try, and every single
one of them all failed to dispute my claim to being that specific Prophet.
I truly stand as King of that castle from now and beyond the End of Times.
And come on now
Dr Maybe, I understand your dilemma and the position you are in as a Muslim.
What can I say, it is not my fault or yours, I am just a messenger. But
the message I carry is very grave and grim and I have no choice but to
travel the Path set before me. Surely you could understand that. But the
truth does set you free and where else would you have such deep and illuminating
conversation. There are plenty of reasons to speak with me even if you
personally could not agree because of your own unsupported beliefs in
Muhammad. It is not your fault if you are in no position to defend the
beliefs of your religion of Islam against the God given knowledge and
Revelations of the real Doomsday prophet Starjade. After all I am that
very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and so
all the Past pretenders to my Throne are just bound then to fall by the
wayside.
The End of Times
Doomsday Prophet.
The Lord King
and King of Kings Starjade.
The Crown of
the Living White Sphere of Kether.
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