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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Starjade
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There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true. And whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false. I am invoking this Islamic law to open serious discussions with Muslims. The Sura 4:82 says. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein? There is a challenge in Islam that is open to all Muslims and non-Muslims to find any errors in the Koran. This challenge has existed for 1400 years. If any errors are found to exist in the Koran then this is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Muslims claim. Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam and we all agreed to discuss these Revelations under Islamic law and this law is invoked in the beginnings. Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran from my God given Revelations. A Muslim during those conversations challenged me with the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. A Challenge he said has existed for 1400 years. So he was led to believe. The Sura 4:82 challenge is open to all Muslims and non Muslims and I am sure many who write here will have heard of the Sura 4:82 Challenge of the Koran. The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. This fact then also proves Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who was presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade. Of course it is known the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah a pagan moon god. But the reference in the Sura 4:82 was meant to mean the living God of Abraham with which the pretence of Islam is that it gives worship to that living God of Moses. The many errors in the Koran make it clear that the Koran did not come from the one true living God of Abraham and of Moses for even you Muslims would not be foolish enough to claim that the Living God of Moses made those many errors that exist in the Koran. So in reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 4:82. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below. http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml I am giving you all a link to these 21 errors in the Koran with a warning that I know of over 500 more errors existing in the Koran so you all know up front that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend the Koran and the fabricated claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations. Be very wary now for many have come before you and every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me. Since I have revealed my Revelations your own imams have grown the chicken legs of a Kuffar Shirker. They already know they are powerless against me. If you cannot give accounts for all the errors that exist in the Koran then the Islamic law I have invoked states that all Muslims must convert and reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. So be careful if any of you have got anything you want to say then.? When already in front of your faces I have shown many errors already existing in the Koran. Continuing on from the 21 errors in the Koran that I have already named. Here is another already proven to exist in the Koran. I invoke this error because after all these matters are pertaining to Moses and the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. The first error that I choose to name that exists in the Koran concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). I also mention that this story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. As the Old Testament is the source of this data then one has to question why the Koran says it was the wife of the Pharaoh not his daughter. But I used Egyptian history to establish the error being in the Koran. The woman who adopted Moses was called Nefure Hatshepsut. The only female Pharaoh to ever rule in Egypt. As the complicated story goes the dates being uncertain and only approximates. Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was called Pharaoh but was co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis. Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. Had heard the rumours of how troubles would come to Egypt from the Hebrew nation and so he ordered the deaths of all the first-born sons to prevent that event from ever occurring. However oddly one year would pass and those sons of the Hebrew nation would be allowed to live and then the next year the first-born was to die. So they alternated these deaths this way so as not to create more problems for them selves. Aaron the brother of Moses was born in the year that those first-born were to be saved and Moses was born in the year that those first-born were to die. So his mother placed him in a basket and set him lose to fate on the Nile. His sister followed the basket and saw the Pharaohs daughter Nefure discover the babe and she decided to keep the child and adopt it. Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emporer over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was. At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of “Hatshepsut” and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as “King”. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt. To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. There are claims that the father of Nefure / Hatshepsut had died when she was 15 yet this cannot be true for Moses fled Egypt when he was 40 and history speaks of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. being alive at that Time. In fact if he had died then Moses would have been ruling Egypt as the emperor Pharaoh. But he was not that ruler of Egypt because his adopted grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. was still alive. So Nefure Hatshepsut only became married after Moses had fled Egypt. She had been the daughter of the Pharaoh not his wife as it claims in the Koran. The Koran is proven by Egyptian history to be wrong.
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Starjade
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Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam and we all agreed to discuss these Revelations under Islamic law and this law is invoked in the beginnings. Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran from my God given Revelations. A Muslim during those conversations challenged me with the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. A Challenge he said has existed for 1400 years. So he was led to believe. The Sura 4:82 challenge is open to all Muslims and non Muslims and I am sure many who write here will have heard of the Sura 4:82 Challenge of the Koran. The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God. This fact then also proves Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who was presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade. Of course it is known the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah a pagan moon god. But the reference in the Sura 4:82 was meant to mean the living God of Abraham with which the pretence of Islam is that it gives worship to that living God of Moses. The many errors in the Koran make it clear that the Koran did not come from the one true living God of Abraham and of Moses for even you Muslims would not be foolish enough to claim that the Living God of Moses made those many errors that exist in the Koran. So in reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 4:82. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below. http://www.oocities.org/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml I am giving you all a link to these 21 errors in the Koran with a warning that I know of over 500 errors existing in the Koran so you all know up front that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend the Koran and the fabricated claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations. Be very wary now for many have come before you and every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me. Since I have revealed my Revelations your own imams have grown the chicken legs of a Kuffar Shirker. They already know they are powerless against me. If you cannot give accounts for all the errors that exist in the Koran then the Islamic law I have invoked states that all Muslims must convert and reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. So
have any of you got anything you want to say then.? When already
in front of your faces I have shown many errors already existing in
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Bill2702 
Undergraduate Joined: 05 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Atheist(Atheist) Posts: 970 |
And your purpose is? It's clear you dont expect anyone to change your mind! Do
you want all muslims to give up thier faith? |
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Starjade
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Starjade says: I was not just voicing an opinion but did back my mouth up with some facts and showed many errors that are proven to exist in the Koran. It is not a matter of what I want in this instance. it is a fact that according to Islamic law all Muslims must reject the koran and reject the words of Muhammad. Of course if Muslims want to worship a false Prophet then they will if they have that kind of a mind to. However Islamic law states that all Muslims must reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. The Sura 4:82 words of the Koran itself state the Koran does not come from God and that shows the claims of Muhammad are not true. It is not a matter of what anyone wants in this or that. It
is more of a matter of what is true against what is not. The
islamic law I have invoked states you must accept what is proven to
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pumpkin
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Starjade, It won't matter if you can prove the koran said the sun is green, muslims will believe what muslims believe. They will interpret the koran in a way that will fit their views on life. If the koran was a simple document it would be defeated in any logic based court in the world, but its not. Its a document thqat is written in a way that can be interpreted any way one wants. That is why you have so many sects, that is why shia and sunni are killing each other. If there was only one way to interpret it, there would be no sects and no fighting between muslims. In any case Starjade- you can probably prove what ypou are saying to scintifically based thinkers, but you will never prove it here. Its like the old saying, The moon only exists when you look at it, it dissapears whenever you don't, but you will never know that because your perception is that it is always there. Islam is like that- it exists because it is always there when muslims look for it, hey only see what they are used to seeing.
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Starjade
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Pumpkin you said: Starjade, It won't matter if you can prove the koran said the sun is green, muslims will believe what muslims believe. They will interpret the koran in a way that will fit their views on life. Starjade says: I agree with your views of the way Muslims are but you forget there is a thing called Islamic law and all Muslims follow the words of the Koran. Islamic law states Muslims must accept what is true and they must reject what is not true. The Sura 4:82 challenge comes from the Koran itself and it states that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God and Muhammad is then proven to be a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think that he would speak in Gods name. Muslims do not want to be seen following a false prophet who does not come from god do they. Muslims do not want to be seen worshipping a false God do they. Or perhaps Muslims are just not afraid of blasphemous behaviour against the living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade. Pumpkin you said: If the koran was a simple document it would be defeated in any logic based court in the world, but its not. Its a document that is written in a way that can be interpreted any way one wants. That is why you have so many sects, that is why shia and sunni are killing each other. If there was only one way to interpret it, there would be no sects and no fighting between muslims. Starjade says: he Islamic law I have invoked forces Muslims to accept what is true and reject what is not true. So the Koran and Muhammad claims are proven to not be true and they must be rejected. Where then after islam is done and dusted would there be Muslims to kill each other when they are forced by Islamic law to convert. Or is religion just a game to play for a Muslim.? Pumpkin you said: In any case Starjade- you can probably prove what you are saying to scientifically based thinkers, but you will never prove it here. Starjade says: Look again Pumkin I just did prove the Koran does not come from the living God of Abraham and of Moses here. And I used Islamic law to put that point across which forces Muslims to accept what is proven to be true and reject what is proven to not be true. I then used the Sura 4:82 of the words of the Koran itself to establish that the Koran has hundreds of errors within its pages and that according to the words of the Koran proves the Koran does not come from God. It also proves Muhammads claims are not true. Pumpkin you said: Its like the old saying, The moon only exists when you look at it, it disappears whenever you don't, but you will never know that because your perception is that it is always there. Islam is like that- it exists because it is always there when muslims look for it, hey only see what they are used to seeing. Starjade says: The Moon how apt you should speak of that. Muslims do not give their worship to the living God of Abraham and of Moses as they should. They give worship to the pagan moon god Hubal a;’ilah a moon god that was worshipped throughout Mesopotamia. Type in hubal al’ilah into your search engine and do some research if you doubt me. But be assured I am right. Now what Muslim wants to knowingly give worship to a pagan moon god eh.? Yet they do every day many times.
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pumpkin
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Starjade, you cannot invoke that law unless you get muslims admitting the koran is wrong, they will never do that, they will "interpret" the koran any way they want to make the facts fit the religion. Its very easy to do. I used to do it all the time in my science degree.
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whirlingEcstasy
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Hahaha
I cant imagine , its the funniest way of spreading lies
U use Bible (original text non existent since many many centuries) to challenge the Quran (not even a single alphabet changed since revelation). I wonder what U would do when bible versions contradict each other. We
do not believe in new manmade versions of Bible. Hence Ur words and
arguements are baseless as the very foundations of your proofs are based
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whirlingEcstasy
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Applying the same argumentative rules to your website and arguements,
instead of considering that Quran has mistakes in comparison to manmade
bible, it can be said thet Bible itself is wrong as it contradicts the
Quran. Newtons IIIrd law works here 2
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Bill2702
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A quote from our new Seeker of Truth. http://www.libertyunites.us/ftopicp-271989.html
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Kadaveri
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You do realise that your
entire post is based on the assumption that the Bible is ultimate truth and
anything that disagrees with the Bible must be in error. Now if it could be
proven that the Bible is the literal word of God and everything in it
is true then you'd have a point; but that can't be proven, so you don't.
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TrueMu'min
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Ditto!
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M.A.R.W.A.N
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Starjade, why are you posting this link of yours when, in that same link, you couldn't solve your own challenge. I especially like this part, taken from Page 1. Some guy called Timur Khan answers you by saying "Your question is a complex question suggesting your lack of a background in critical thinking. You are assuming a mistake when you have yet to argue and prove this "assertion", which is buried in premiss of your question.
For more of Starjade's work, please see, ==>
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pumpkin
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M.A.R.W.A.N
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