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GORE: I would agree. And I also agree that most police officers, of course, are doing a good job and hate this practice also.
I talked to an African-American police officer in Springfield, Massachusetts, not -- not long ago -- who raised this question and said that in his opinion, one of the biggest solutions is in the training, and not only the training in police procedures, but human -- human relations.
And I think that racial profiling is part of a larger issue of how we deal with race in America.
And as for singling people out because of race, you know James Byrd was singled out because of his race, in Texas. And other Americans have been singled out because of their race or -- or ethnicity. And that's why I think that we can embody our values by passing a hate crimes law. I think these crimes are different.
GORE: I think they're different because they're based on prejudice and hatred, which is -- which gives rise to crimes that have not just a single victim, but they're intended to stigmatize and dehumanize a whole group of people.
LEHRER: Do you have a different view of that?
BUSH: No, I don't really.
LEHRER: On hate crimes violence?
BUSH: No, I -- we got one in Texas, and guess what? The three men who murdered James Byrd, guess what's going to happen to them? They're going to be put to death. A jury found them guilty and I -- it's going to be hard to punish them any worse after they get put to death. And it's the right cost; it's the right decision.
And secondly, there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what's called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that. My friend, Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect.
So racial profiling isn't just an issue at the local police forces. It's an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we're going to have to deal with it more and more.
I believe though -- I believe, sure as I'm sitting here, that most Americans really care. They're tolerant people. They're good, tolerant people. It's the very few that create most of the crisis. And we just happen to have to find them and deal with them.
LEHRER: What -- if you become president, Governor, are there other areas, racial problem areas, that you would deal with as president, involving discrimination?
BUSH: Sure.
LEHRER: Again, you said Arab-Americans, but also Hispanics, Asians, as well as blacks in this country.
BUSH: Let me tell you where the biggest discrimination comes: in public education, when we just move children through the schools.
11.) October 12th: Smirk is widely hailed throughout the Corporate Media as a foreign policy genius for sitting next to Gore and mumbling "Um... What he said".
LEHRER: Vice President Gore, what would be on your racial discrimination elimination list as president?
GORE: Well, I think we need tough enforcement of the civil rights laws. I think we still need affirmative action. I would pass a hate crimes law, as I said.
GORE: And I guess I had misunderstood the governor's previous position. The Byrd family may have a misunderstanding of it in Texas also.
But I'd like to shift, if I could, to the big issue of education.
LEHRER: Well, no, hold on one second. What is the misunderstanding? Let's clear this up.
GORE: Well, I had thought that there was a controversy at the end of the legislative session where the hate crimes law in Texas was -- failed and that the Byrd family, among others, asked you to support it, Governor, and it died in committee for lack of support. Am I wrong about that?
BUSH: Well, you don't realize we have a hate crime statute...
GORE: I'm talking about the one that was proposed to deal...
BUSH: Well, what the vice president must not understand is we got a hate crimes bill in Texas. And secondly, the people that murdered Mr. Byrd got the ultimate punishment...
LEHRER: But they were...
BUSH: ... the death penalty.
LEHRER: They were prosecuted under the murder laws, were they not...
BUSH: Well...
LEHRER: ... in Texas?
BUSH: In this case, when you murder somebody, it's hate, Jim.
LEHRER: No, but...
BUSH: Crime is hate. And they got -- and they got the ultimate punishment. I'm not exactly sure how you enhance the penalty any more than the death penalty. Well, we happen to have a statute on the books that's a hate crimes statute in Texas.
GORE: May I respond?
LEHRER: Sure.
GORE: I don't want to jump in.
(LAUGHTER)
I may have been misled by all the news reports about this matter, because the law that was proposed in Texas, that had the support of the Byrd family and a whole lot of people in Texas, did in fact die in committee. There may be some other statute that was already on the books, but certainly the advocates of the hate crimes law felt that a tough new law was needed.
GORE: And it's important, Jim, not only -- not just because of Texas, but because this mirrors the national controversy. There is pending now in the Congress a national hate crimes law because of James Byrd, because of Matthew Shepard, who was crucified on a split- rail fence by bigots, because of others. And that law has died in committee also because of the same kind of opposition.
LEHRER: And you would support that bill?
GORE: Absolutely.
LEHRER: Would you support a national hate crimes law?
BUSH: I would support the Orrin Hatch version of it, not the Senator Kennedy version.
But let me say to you, Mr. Vice President, we're happy with our laws on our books. That bill -- there was another bill that did die in committee.
But I want to repeat, if you have a state that fully supports the law like we do in Texas, we're going to go after all crime, and we're going to make sure people get punished for the crime. And in this case, we can't enhance the penalty anymore than putting those three thugs to death. And that's what's going to happen in the state of Texas.
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