"The 90th Pershire"- Picture kindly provided by John Young (Capt J.H Laye-later General- 2nd from Left)

"What man fears to rush into a battle and bear in his own person the brunt of it? -but a good officer will pause ere he sacrifice his men needlessly. Let then those who, when writing at a comfortable table far away from the scene of action, dip their pens in gall, and plunge into a brave man's heart arrows whose wounds will rankle and fester there, although he knows they are undeserved, pause and consider whether their brilliantly written article is worth the pain it will cause; let them, in mind, place themselves in the position of the defamed, and see how they like it." Elizabeth Patricia Ramsay-Laye, "Social Life and Manners in Australia," London: 1861  (208) . (Wife of Francis Fenwick Laye - written in New Zealand before the Second Maori War,  presumably concerning some officer or family member, being harassed by the press for not being more aggressive against the Maoris)

    ". . .Priests start wars, but soldiers end them . . " W Blake- Marginalia, paraphrased until I refind quote ....pp              
(Above drawing reproduced here with the kind permission of: Hocken Library, Uare Taoka o Hakena, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand). 
Maj General Joseph Henry LAYE  Photo  courtesy of Mr. Peter Stone, S. Africa, Drawing done of Laye while he was a captain sitting for J.A. Gilfillan, during the First Maori War. The artist was the husband and father of a massacred family. Captain Laye brought the culprits, though relatives of the local chief, to justice. After their executions, all hell broke loose, leading  to the raid on the Rutland Stockade, which Laye built. (The British soldiers, though much loss on both sides, won). Somehow, though this was not an earth- shattering event, Queen Victoria caught wind of it, and praised Laye. Needless to say, such unexpected notice, did not harm his career.  Even more impressive, to me, is that Michael Barthorp in his "To Face the Daring Maoris", presents Laye as an officer who treated those beneath his command in a protective and caring fashion.  


LT.-GENERAL FRANCIS LAYE, Royal Artillery  See Full Size Photo
(Photo provided me courtesy of Lt. Colonel John G. Moncrieff and the officers of the 4th Regiment, 
Royal Artillery, Germany. Welcome back from Iraq. 

? Captain Francis LAYE  b abt 1730,  Son, General Laye, wrote to his father during the Revolutionary (American) War. - Ancestor seems could be a Capt. Laye: There is a report  that mentions a Captain Laye in ab 1643 in the reign of Charles I during the civil war. Ref  Whitlocke, Bulstrode. Memorials of the English affairs: or, an historical account of what passed from the beginning of the reign of King Charles the First, ... A new edition: with many additions never before printed. London, 1732. 732 pp 77-78.  Father may be Francis Laye of Suffolk b 1693- and he likely is the son of Francis Laye who married Bridged.                        
? SARAH STEAVLEY (STAVELEY) b 11 NOV 1728 Pontefract, Yorkshire, dau of Nathaniel and Sarah SCRIMSHIRE  m 2 MAR 1750 Pontefract, Yorkshire  Siblings: Walter, Isabella and Nathaniel 
JANE LAYE Christening: 9 JUN 1755 Pontefract, Yorkshire
ELIZ. CATHARINE LAYE Christening: 03 JUL 1756 Pontefract, Yorkshire
HENRY THOMAS LAY(E) Christening: 19 MAR 1778 Doncaster, Yorkshire d bef 1851
GEORGIANA (NANCY) STRACHAN  b abt 1784 Thornton, Yorkshire m 19 MAR 1801 Normanton, Yorkshire  d 1852 Scarborough
ANN LAYE Christening: 04 DEC 1807 Pickering, Yorkshire Pickering, Yorkshire
Commander HENRY THOMAS LAYE, RN, Christening: 31 MAY 1809 Pickering, Yorkshire,  Magistrate  d Sep 1883  At British Library-material see site. CORRESPONDENCE and biographical notes upon which William Richard O'Byrne based his Naval Biographical Dictionary of all living officers (1849) compiled during the years 1843-1849. Sixteen volumes.   -Lieutenant Henry Thomas Laye, joined as Volunteer 1st Class, Royal Navy, 1823; posted to the Trinculo later that year; Midshipman 1824; served in the Jasper, Jupiter and the Wellesley; served in the Mediterranean, the North Sea and the East Indies (1829-36), as Mate in the Donegal and the Jupiter; Lieutenant
1836; posted to the Stag for service in South America, 1837; served in the Endymion 1840-43; during this period he served in the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea and China, and was in the Yang-tse-Kiang prior to the pacification of Nanking; commanded a detached force that escaladed the walls of Chin-Kiang-Foo, and owing to the illness of the commanding officer, brought the Rattlesnake down the river.
MARY          b abt 1816 Wakefield, Yorkshire,  d 1891 Scarborough  This-or another Mary Laye from Scarborough, may have written letters to W.E. Gladstone-on file at British Library.
ARTHUR H. J. WEBB LAYE  B ABT 1854 Scarborough, York In 1881 Census
1 WIFE  d bef 1891
2 Angelica F. - - - - -  
  Rupert LONDON H. Laye  b abt Mar 1895
  Augusta Frances Laye b Sept 1848  d 25 Jan 1869 Scarborough,   unmarried  Times 28 Jan 1869. 
  MARY ANN LAYE b abt 1846 Scarbro, Yorkshire
  MARY AGNES LAYE  Christening: 05 SEP 1845 Scarborough, Yorkshire  m 1870 
MARY CHARLOTTE LAY(E)  Christening: 15 JUN 1764 Doncaster, Yorkshire
EDWARD SHEPPARD LAY(E)  Christening: 03 JUN 1766 Doncaster, Yorkshire  Was witness to a wedding in 1787.
ANN LAYE   Christening: 03 NOV 1761 Doncaster, Yorkshire  
CAPTAIN GEORGE GORDON 65 regt of foot, lic. 05 Feb 1780
  SARAH LAY(E)   bap  13 MAY 1763 Doncaster, Yorkshire
SARAH LAY(E)   bap  25 JUL 1770 Doncaster, Yorkshire  poss m 1790 24 MAY 1790 Hampsthwaite, Yorkshire 
CATHARINE DEWELDA (DUELDA OR DEWILDA) LAYE  Christening: 15 AUG 1769 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Rev. George DESMETH Kelly, M.A.,  b 1760 Featherstone   m  lic. 30 Mar 1789  Vicar  BU 21 Oct 1823 at York Minister, age 63 "[W]as licensed to serve the cure of Doncaster, 15 July, 1786. On 29 Nov. 1788, he was collated to the stall of Normanton at Southwell. On 3 Jan. 1789, he was instituted to the vicarage of Featherston, co. York, which he held until his death. On 24 Jan. 1791, he was instituted to the vicarage of Darrington, which he ceded in 1815. On 29 July, 1801, he was collated to the stall of Botevant at York, resigning it 13 April, 1802. On 9 April, 1802, he was instituted to the vicarage of Ampleforth, and collated to that of Silkstone on 26 June, 1804" (Genuki). 
  MARIA KELLY b 27 MAY 1792   Christening: 27 MAY 1792   Featherstone, Yorkshire, d 28 MAY 1792  
FRANCIS KELLY b 08 OCT 1795 Christening:  22 NOV 1795  Featherstone, Yorkshire
JOHN DESMETH Kelly  b 28 JAN 1790, Christening: 09 APR 1790 Featherstone, Yorkshire 
  CATHARINE DESMETH KELLY b  26 MAY 1791  Christening: 21 NOV 1791 Featherstone, Yorkshire  'spinster'  LDA IGI incorrectly had Catharine and John's last names as "Desmeth", along with father, and mother's surname as "Kelly." In 1851 Census, lived with brother William, and niece Julia Kelly living in Leamington Priors, Warwickshire 
ELISABETH KELLY b 25 JAN 1802 Christening: 07 MAR 1802 Featherstone, Yorkshire  'spinster' 
REV. HENRY KELLY b 28 OCT 1799 Christening 25 NOV 1799 Featherstone, Yorkshire
VICE ADMIRAL WILLIAM KELLY b 15 Sep 1794 Christening: 13 Nov 1794 Featherstone, Yorkshire,  "being in parts beyond the seas" Unmarried in 1851, with sister Catharine, living in Leamington Priors, Warwickshire. Likely dsp.In 1871 Census, w. brother Charles in Paddington.
CHARLES KELLY b 30 DEC 1803 Christening: 17 JAN 1804 Featherstone, Yorkshire In 1871 Census, at Paddington, with brother William. Merchant. 1881- Paddington 
LAURA MATILDA  - - - - - -  b ab 1814 Bridling Quay.
  LAURA ELIZABETH KELLY b ab 1837 Rio De Janeiro, Brazil. Single 1881 
LOUISE C. KELLY  b ab 1845 Devonshire Stoke
RICHARD KELLY b 13 JUL 1805  Christening: 05 DEC 1805 Featherstone, Yorkshire 
George Kelly  b 19 JUN 1793 Christening: 01 AUG 1793 Featherstone, Yorkshire,
LT. EDWARD Kelly  b 17 MAY 1798 Christening: 25 JUL 1798 Featherstone, Yorkshire  "being in parts beyond the seas" In 1851 Census, living at Tormoham, Devon.
Margrette  - - - - -    b 1804 Newcastle Under Line, Staffordshire
  Elizabeth Kelly b ab 1835 Mauritius
  Laura Kelly b ab 1839-41 Mauritius  Single 1901 at Ryde, Hampshire 1881 Census, lived w/ Elizabeth
Captain George LAYE   75th Reg./ 97th Highlanders b abt 1765-7 Christening: 31 JUL 1767 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Believe to be a brother of General Francis LAYE. Strong circumstantial evidence- time correct, in Portsea, Hampshire, a common area for Dwyers and Layes. They had a daughter born- Jane Augusta LAYE, born 1797 - about or exact year that Gen LAYE and Sarah had their child Augustus LAYE.  1788 Marriage Certificate of George LAYE  and Jane ALLEN (below) -but reveals little nothing. Marriage Licenses- Document "B",  of the , ensign, b., & Jane Allen, of Portsmouth, 21, at P., 04 Apr 1788.
1788  Married Jane Allen
1790  Listed in Army List as a Lt. The Edinburgh Almanack and Scots Register for the year 1790
1794  Listed in Army List The Treble Almanack
1795  Daughter Sarah born.  Listed in Army List as a Lt. The Edinburgh Almanack and Scots Register for the year 1795
1797  Daughter Jane born  Mentioned as Capt in Army List under Sir William Pitt's district
1798  Mentioned as Captain in Artlillery under Mulgrave, -prev 2nd Batt of 90th Foot. [Same group as Francis Laye]. The Annual New Register or 
       Gen Repository if Hist, Pol & Literature 1798
1803  Son William born
JANE ALLEN b c 1768 d  Liverpool 3 January 1850  m 4 April 1788 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire 
  Jane Augusta LAYE b 22 Aug 1797 Wymering, Hampshire, d early 1875 Portsea as Jane Augusta Snell. 
2 WILLIAM  SNELL  Naval Officer m mid 1849 Lambeth   
1 James Robeson  m 9 Dec 1822 St Mary's Portsea,  
  Sarah Ashton Shuttleworth LAYE  b 29 Jul 1795
MR Robeson at Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire
  William LAYE b June 1803, Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire 
  Anne LAYE   very poss d 1859 Portsea
George Robeson   m 17 Mar 1826 St Mary's Portsea   believe d age 68, 1872 Portsea.
  FREDERICK BOYLE Robeson christened 29 OCT 1841 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire d 26 FEB 1842  
ANNA MARIA JANE ROBESON christened  23 DEC 1838 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
  Louisa Maria LAYE   m 1 MAY 1821 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, d 26 Dec 1875  Southsea, Hants
Major William BINDON  b 1 May 1821 7th West India Regiment/ 84th  Foot, then Royal Newfoundland,  d 1858 d St. John’s Newfoundland
Henry Herbert BINDON  Christening: 04 JUL 1834 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire d 1897
Edward Augustus BINDON  Ship captain. His steamship, the Miranda, went aground, a subject of several N.Y. Times stories in 1886. 
William George BINDON 
Louisa Anna Stuart BINDON  
  Augusta BINDON Christening: 19 MAR 1829 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
  Augusta BINDON Christening: 12 AUG 1831 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire  
Captain Hugh Best Chambers m 24 October 1850, 
  Catherine BINDON bap  12 Aug 1831 Portsea, St.Marys Hampshire,
Lt Charles Frederick H. Tyler m 8 January 1850. St. Thomas Church
  Lieutenant Charles Hunt BINDON, Reserve Battalion of Her Majesty's 97th Regiment  b bapt May 6,1838 Newfoundland d May 13, 1849 Newcastle, Jamaica
  Burton Jeffares BINDON b June 15, 1840 Newfoundland d Newfoundland d 2 yrs old
  Arthur Stuart BINDON (Seaman) b January 27, 1842 Newfoundland d August 14, 1862
  John BINDON b August 8, 1844
Lt. General Francis LAYE Royal Artillery b 1752  d 20 Jan 1828, Ellison,  
Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, aged 74,    Bu: 26 Jan 1828, St Andrews, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
  SEE  DOCUMENTS.     General Laye was in the War against America- (Revolutionary War), was wounded at Bunker Hill. He wrote to his father - and there is a file, I just learned 05- 9-04  of his docs and letters: "Lt. Francis Laye to his father Oct 12, 1775, Laye Papers, 6807-154, National Army Museum, Chelsea, England" Ref in text: "'The Great Mischief Complain'd of': Reflections on the Misconduct of British Soldiers in the Revolutionary War" by Steven Conway, The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol 47, No. 3, (Jul. 1990) 370-390.   [Laye is quoted only- not an example of negative conduct].   Steven  Conway also cites Laye in  "British Army Officers and the War for Independence," The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol 41, No. 2, (Apr. 1984), 265-276.
1752  Born
1768: Cadet   Age 16
1771:13 Mar  2nd Lt     Age 19 
1773 New York: Lieutenant of Artillery   Age 21
1774 In numerous battles: Accompanied General Alexander Leslie's expedition to Virginia. Severely wounded at Camden, under Lord Rawdon and received special thanks for his services
1775  American War, Wounded at Bunker Hill.   Age 23
1776  America
1777  America
1778  America
1779 7 Jul  1st Lt. 
1780  Served on court martial one Ensign John Lawrence (Info from this website:   military/courts/cmlawr.htm
1782 10 Apr : Captain Lt. 
1790 27 May  to Captain Woolwich and Portsmouth, then same year,  was Capt of  No 4 Company, 4th Battalion (afterward called-"8" Battery, 1st Brigade) Age 38
1793 Flanders - At the height of the French Revolution, Menin 19.09, Chateau de Camphin 30.10,   La Tombe 30.11, near Tournai 12.12.   
1794 Captain Laye, and 6 other captains in companies from Batt 1 and 4, were on the continent for some reason. Captain Laye's route was:, Flanders, Gent (Jan 1-Mar 2), St Amand (Apr 8),  in  camp near Tournai (June 4),   Oosterhout (Aug 11), Berlikum  (Sep 9), and Klingelbeck (Dec 1-15).    Laye mentioned in London Times 11 Sept 1794 with many other officers, in military preparation
1795  Verden 11.02, & 02.03, Grambke 06.04. Woolwich 09.05.
1797 21 Aug  Major, Plymouth,   45 years old
1799 16 Jul  Lt. Col. 
1800 West Indies under Sir John Duckworth and General Trigge.
1803 Marries Margaret BROWN Tynemouth, Longbetton,    Francis Age 51 
1804 20 Jul  Col,  Wife Margaret Dies 2 May 1804 at Bath
1805 9 Dec Marries Mary AIREY Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, St Andrews She is 28 years old, he is 53. .
1808 Leith Fort- son Major Francis Fenwick Laye born.
1810 25 Jul  Major General  58 years old
1811-13  Leith Fort  1811- Son Frederick born
1814   Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, son Major General Joseph Henry Laye Senior born 
1816  Son Frederick dies Nov 1816 in Ellison (aged 5 / 3 yr 8 mos) Also unknown child born 16 May 
1817 "Colonel Commandant" 
1818 Maj General under "colonel" General Henry Rocket Troop Leipzig
1819 12 Aug  Lt General 
1822 "Colonel Commandant" Lt General under Field Marshall Wellington "Waterloo") [not the battle] in Rocket Troop Leipzig. 
1827   Dies Newcastle-Upon-Tyne. His  widow, Mary, wrote letters to requesting an ensigncy for her 16 yr old son (J.H. Laye senior),  which I have copies.  
Appleton's Encyclopedia:
LAYE, Francis, British soldier, born about 1753; died in Newcastle, England, 29  [erratum- actual date is 20] January, 1828. He was ordered to New York as a lieutenant of artillery in 1773, wounded at Bunker Hill, took part in numerous battles, and accompanied General Alexander Leslie's expedition to Virginia. He was severely wounded at Camden, under Lord Rawdon, received the special thanks of that officer for his services, and   then sent home. He commanded the artillery in the West Indies in 1800, aiding in the capture of the islands by the expeditions under Sir John Duckworth and General Trigge.
Name: Laye, Francis Dates: - mentioned: 1771-1815 Occupations: major general Groups: Army Archive: British Biographical Archive Fiche: I 672,375-376 Title of Source: Philippart [= Short title] The Royal military calendar : Containing the service of every general officer ... from the date of their first commission / Philippart, J.. - London. - 1815 (2 vols) 
 link to letters   linked letters I have in references some strings being pulled by a mother, Mary LAYE, seeking an Ensigncy for her son. Letters are also to and from : the Marchioness Winchester,  Lord FitzRoy Somerset (later Ragland), and Commander in Chief General Hill. My question, why so much 'overkill?' In my ignorance, I would think that 450 Pounds would be sufficient, a nd not requiring a patron and/or friend, a Marchioness, who stood at Princess Caroline's wedding, to plead for you. What am I missing? Was the system 'fair' in having rules, which they were trying to bend a bit?
Married three times
1 Sarah - - - -- .  I know who is in Francis's family because I have a short pedigree of the family done circa 1850, that was with family documents on file at Newcastle-Upon-Tyne.   Based on this, I would think Francis was actually born 1766 [but has his father's name- so prob eldest!] and married 1791 at St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire to Sarah, born 1770 at St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire. I think this is my Francis -But this has to be wrong. Only answer- there is another General Francis Laye.     Portsmouth is a family haunting ground, and so is St. Thomas Church there. But it bothers me that my  direct ancestor Francis Fenwick Laye, is called the "eldest", though eldest of next wife to have children. Unless the elder males from prev marriage were all dead, as it seems to be the case, seeming to have died in military actions. Poss- these children are siblings before 1810- Note: Found London Times Announcement- General Laye and his Lady- had a son-at Fort Leith, - paper  dated 22 March 1811. 
SARAH ANN LAYE  ["LAZE"]    14 Nov 1790,  Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire.  Discovered her 2-13-03,   IGI spells her last name:"LAZE"  Francis would be 39 years old   NOTE: Edinburgh Advertiser 20 April 1810 has eldest dau dying.  Odd too that it seems to be on the same day Frederick died as well. 
LOUISA LAYE  b 15 Aug 1795 Stoke Damerel, Devon, England, d Unknown  No sign of her or husband in 1861 Census
JOHN TOWER of Liverpool. 17 May 1817 Winston, Durham, England  Winston Church Ref Edin Adv 19 Jun 1817.
MARY ANN LAYE, b 26 Sep 1808, Bapt 25 Oct 1808, North Leith, Midlothian, d March 1858, Berwick.Single  Aged 50 
LT FREDERICK LAYE 4th WJ Regiment  b 20 Jan 1792 Saint Thomas Portsmouth Hampshire d Guadeloupe 18 Ap 1810  Notice published New Monthly Magazine,
"MRS. LAYE" also died, at Leith Fort, 1810- his wife? 4th W.J. Regiment: Martinique (1809) Guadeloupe (1810)
CAPTAIN LAYE Aide-de-camp to Gen. Sir Gregor McGregor, d passage from Jamaica to Portobello (on sea, outside of Edinburgh), d on 3 July 1819 News article in Edinburgh Advertiser 6 Jul 1819, but lists him as "Lieut- Laye"     
AUGUSTUS LAYE    about 1796 Southam, Norfolk, res South Lopham, Norfolk. Augustus mentioned as General Laye's son In 1851 Census. Farmer. Location seems odd- and off- but everythin else clicks- time- and names of parents for children. No sign in 1861 Census.
1 MARGARET GIBSON Apr 1818, St Marylebone, London, Daughter of Thomas Gibson, controller of customs at Newcastle- Upon-Tyne  Noted in London Times 19 Nov 1818 p 3.
2 FRANCES -  b 1809 Banham, Norfolk, England - - Appears to be his wife 1851 Census 
  AUGUSTUS LAYE    b ab 1840 South Lopham, Norfolk
  FRANCES LAYE    b abt 1839  Kenninghall, Norfolk
  MARY ANN LAYE    B abt 1843 South Lopham, Norfolk
FREDERICK LAYE 1811 2nd born son, (docs also say 3 yr 8 mos: mj 223) d 24 Nov 1816 aged 5 Ellison (docs also say 3 yr 8 mos: mj 223) 
---- LAYE  16  May 1816  Know nothing about- this 3rd child of General Francis LAYE and Sarah -----
MARGARET BROWN, eldest daughter of William BROWN, m 24 Nov 1803, Parish of Tynemouth, Longbetton, by Curate Allison. Witnesses: Mary Brown, William Brown and Dixon Brown.  (Margaret later Died 2 May 1804 at Bath) 
Father:  William Brown b 1740 Willington, d 28 Aug 1812, m ab 1770, Parents:  William Brown b 1709 Willington d 1783, m 1739 and  - - - -  Smith - her father: - -- - Smith b 1687 Morpeth. Mother: Margaret Dixon  b ab 1744 Willington, Father: William Dixon b ab 1718 Willington
Dixon BROWN Born: Abt 1771 Willington, 
Richard BROWN Born: Abt 1773 Willington, m Juliana WILLIAMS m ab 1803 b ab 1777 her father: William Williams
Robert BROWN Born: Abt 1775 Willington,  m Isabella WALKER Apr 1816
William BROWN Born: Abt 1777 Willington, d  8 Jan 1813:
Margaret BROWN   see above Born: Abt 1779 Willington, d May 1804 :
Mary BROWN Born: Abt 1781 Willington, Died: Abt 1814 m William CLARK III ab 1804   (Children:
William Brown Clark 12 NOV 1807 Of Belford Hall, , Northumberland; John Dixon Clark 16 JAN 1812 Of Belford Hall, , Northumberland; Jane Margaret Clark,  About 1814 Of Benton House, , Northumberland)
Jane BROWN Born: Ab 1783 Willington, D Ab 1828 m Ralph FENWICK 28 APR 1807 Longbenton  Northumberland b 1782 Streatham Surrey 
3 MARY AIREY b 18 Aug 1777 (dau of Joseph AIREY, Green Court) She was baptized at St Andrews 16  April 1782. d 9 Mar 1868 Clarence Parade Southsea, Married  9 Dec 1805, Parish of Tynemouth, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, St Andrews by Rev William   B. Moises. Witnesses: Joseph AIREY and Ann AIREY. [Entry listed in the Register of Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, St.Andrew's Church, Newcastle- upon-Tyne, Northumberland  SEE WEDDING DOCUMENT    ALSO MORE ABOUT BROWNS BELOW     In 1861, living with dau Susan and her husband, Dr. Alex Sinclair.. 
    ELIZABETH M. LAYE, b 1819 Edinburgh, Scotland. 1851 Census with husband, Not in 1861or 71  Census, In 1891 Census, d 10 Jan 1892 Southsea, (Ref Times 23 Dec 1892).   Photo taken in Dublin. Lived in Ireland (Meath) and Isle of Man (Douglas) with or near F.F. Laye family. Rev Patten baptized these Laye children: Frances Elizabeth, Henrietta Catherine, Francis William, Henry Airey,  Living in Co. Meath 1838-1843. -Later poss Dublin.
  Rev. Francis anderson S. Murray PATTEN, M.A., b Scotland 1814, d before 1892.  In 1851- Curate of St Gregory's, Sudbury St Gregory, Suffolk,  Not in 1861 or 71 Census, He is listed a Rev. F. Patten on "Landowners of Ireland 187? Survey List" County Meath  p 71.Baptized most of Maj. F.F. Laye's children in Meath 1838-1843.   Believe he had a brother named William Murray Patten who went to Australia. 
Francis anderson S. Murray PATTEN b abt 1838 Ireland, Reg 1839 in Gloucestershire, In 1871 Census w/ wife - no children present at Alverstoke - a haunting place of the Layes. 
E. M. - - - ---- b abt 1821 Scotland
Mary Margaret M. PATTEN b 1841 Chattenden, Gloucestershire, 1851 With parents, (Only child)  m 1866 St Jude's Church, Southsea This info is per the London Times 12 Sep-1866. d summer 1867 Isle of Wight, - poss at sea with other members of Noott family.   
Dr. William Francis NOOTT, M.D. M.R.C.P., b Plymouth, Devon, ab 1824,  Member Roy College Physicans London Not Practising -surgeon. Remarried in 1878 Croydon to an Emily . 1881 Census has wife as Emily H. NOOTT, Living with him is the mother, Elizabeth Patten, widow, and a Clara NOOTT, oddly, as a servant.
  SON NOOTT b 16 Aug 1867 d 16 Aug 1867 Ventnor Isle of Wight.
SUSAN LAYE b 1821  Youngest and 4th daughter of  General Francis LAYE and Mary AIREY   Bu: Highland Road  Cemetery Southsea, Hampshire, England.  Was living in 1891, widow, aged 70, with sister Elizabeth Patten, at 323, No. 24, Portsea.  In 1861 with husband, mother-Mary Airey- and aunt, Susan Airey.
  DR. ALEXANDER SINCLAIR, M.D.,  Surgeon b 1797 Ireland  m 8 Nov 1850 at Berwick , "Surgeon to the Forces"  Bu: Highland Road Cemetery, Southsea, Hampshire, England died before 1891.  In 1840 station at Cork Ireland. Was hospital asst in 1815, asst surgeon 1816, "Regetel Surgeon" 1835, Staff Surgeon 1839.  In 1861, already retired  living w/ wife, mother-in-law, and aunt of wife.   
LT General Joseph Henry LAYE, C.B.24th and 58th Regiment, Promoted to Full General (Colonel-General) -Hon 1887    b 19 June 1816 Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Northumberland, res:  Paddington, Paddington, London  d: 90 Talbot Rd, 3 Mar, 1895, 79 yrs. - Influenza & Pneumonia,   Member of the Literary & St. Mary  Philosophical Society of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne In 1871 Census, in Judge Advocate, living in  London, Paddington, St. Luke, with wife and servants.   58th and 24th Regiments, Northumberland Fusiliers Turkey: Asst-military secretary to Lord William Paulet, Commander in Bosphorus. Major,- Deputy Judge Advocate at HQ,  1887- Royal Colonel of Royal Northumberland Fusiliers (Previously 5th Regiment of Foot).Was on the Committe for the Relief of Orphans and Widows of the Isandlana and Rourke's Drift Fund .     
2 Louisa Marie JUPP, m 10 Dec 1891 St George's Hanover Sq London, (Ref Times 12 Dec 1891).Youngest dau of James Jupp, Esq. Laye remarrying at age of 75, 9 mos after wife died.  Died in Plymouth at 87, left all her money to the Hospital for Sick Children, and Royal Hospital for Incurables  d 8 Dec 1935, Notice in Times 10 Dec 1935 at the residence of Mrs. A.D. Maclean 'Hilton'  Compton Park, Plymouth,  Funeral at Emmanuel Church.
Emelia Maria Dean PITT  1820 H.B. Edinburgh, d 5 April 1891 (Ref Times 8 April 1891) Camington House, Osburne Road, Southsea (or Portsea), aged 70 years Cause  of death: pleurisy (right) Maj General Laye, husband, present at her death ) M 23 May 1848, St Paul's, Auckland. New Zealand daughter of  Major-General George Dean-Pitt, K.H. and grand-daughter of George Pitt, Lord Rivers 
1841 Mar To Captain 
1845 Van Dieman's Land, under Wynard
1846  New Zealand  Jan  Capture of Kawiti's Pah Commanded tropps at Wanganui 
1847  New Zealand
1854 May Capt at Chatam with remainder of 58th A 1855  Turkey Asst Military Secetary to Lord Paulet
1855  30 May Brevet Major Laye; 58 Foot, to be AMS to Br-Gen Lord William Paulet. // 12 Jun Bt Major Laye, 58 Foot, to be AMS to Lord William Paulet; 6 Nov Leave approved for Major Laye, 58th Regt, on medical grounds
1856 Feb  Sebastopal, Crimea:  Sick  Currently Brevet Major
1856 Jan  In the 58th Foot- to Lt Col.
1856  Apr  To Brevet Lt. Col. Antedated to Nov 1854
1858  Oct  Laye of 2nd Bat. inspects Royal Denbigh complimenting the regiment. Also inspects and complimnets the East York Militia and Royal Anglesey L.I. Regiment of Militia. 
1862  April    9th Batallion under him ay Colchester participating in "war games" / inspection
1862 Dec  Presided over court over chargers against Sgt T. Brister
1864 Mar 9th Depot Batallion in command of troops at Harwich and Landguard Fort 
1864 Nov  Leave of absence granted
1864 Dec  Conducted trial of Privates Patrick Daly and James Molloy of 2nd Bat of 1st King's Royal, for on charges of seditious language, one specifically against the Queen and the Colonel.
1865  Feb  Granted leave of absence
1865 Nov  Prosecutor in case against Pvt Sullivan, 7th Brigade Art. for alledgly threateningto shoot a major, that he tried to strike. Found guilty. Sullivan never denied charges.
1866 Jan  as Deputy Judge Advocate for area, offiated the trial of Duncan M'Millian, Sapper, Royal Engineers, insubordination, insolence, breaking out of barracks etc. Found guilty.
1867 Sep  Dep Judge Advocate in Court Martial against Sapper William Thomason, Royal Engineers, for gross insuborination for threatening officers when his sentence was read in last court martial, and of Private Michael Nash. 
1867 Nov  as Deputy Judge Advocate, conducted case against Pvt James Jackson, 82nd Reg for vioent and mutinious language.
1867 May  Conducted the case against Private James Colton of the 50th Queen's Own Regimnet, for insubordination for last sentence of 50 lashes for throwing down his rifle on parade, announcing he would do no more duty as a soldier, and later drawing his bayonet, making a dangerous thrust against the sargent. After the 50 lashes, he announced that he would kill Sgt Major Watts before he left the garrison-and more. 
1867 Nov  1868 Sep  Dep Judge Advocate for Chatam Dist.conducted prosecution for Pvt Richard Fennan 106th 
         Bombay L.I., for mutiny and others on gross insubordination
1869 Apr Judge Advocate in Court Martial of Pvt. O'Connell, 9th Reg.  
1871 Jul   Acted as Deputy Judge Advocate in Court Martial of H.D. O'Donnell of "Control Dept"
1873 Deputy Judge Advocate of London District Times 14 Apr 1873.
Wanganui War  - 1847-48  Rutland Stockade 
170 British Troops Attacked by 700 Maoris at Rutland Stockade Wangonui, New Zealand, 1847
: "Now while their comrades were sailing back to New South Wales, Captain
 J. H. Laye received orders to move his company, made up to 160 rank and file, 
together with a Royal Artillery detachment of two twelve-pounders, from Wellington 
to Wanganui, some 120 miles up the west coast. On 9th December he and his men embarked on H.M.S. Calliope.
          Topine Te Mamaku                Wanganui City Coat of Arms
                                                                                     with Rutland Stockade on top                                       
  "Wanganui was a small settlement of the New Zealand Company, which had been founded in 1841, and by 1846, contained 200 settlers. Following the trouble in the north and in the Hutt Valley, they felt isolated, insecure and outnumbered by the Maoris who inhabited the surrounding countryside and the upper reaches of the Wanganui River. Some of these Maoris assisted Te Rangihaeata in the Hutt, and, in the course of the operations there, some had been captured and put on trial for rebellion.  One, Te Wareaitu, had been hanged and the others sentenced to life imprisonment. The failure of their campaign in the Hutt and the treatment of their kinsmen had angered the  Wanganui Maoris, whose animosity became centered more on the soldiers than on the settlers. This group looked for leadership to Topine Te Mamaku, a tall, well-built and intelligent chief, who came from the upper Wanganui, and who, with his followers, was more than ready to test his strength against the white soldiers  .  .  . In addition, there were other Maoris about Wanganui, probably the majority, who, if not actually supporting the Government as being in their best interests, had no wish to enlist with Te Mamaku . . . The Governor was therefore faced with the choice of sending troops to protect the settlers and friendly Maoris, but thereby incurring the risk of an uprising, or leaving the settlement defenceless . . . Laye was ordered up to Wanganui. 
     ". . . Once all ashore, Laye took over the Commercial Hotel for his troops, and, assisted by the technical expertise of Lieutenant T. B. Collinson, Royal Engineers, began construction of a fort overlooking the settlement . . . The site chosen by Laye and Collinson was a sandy hill, standing some seventy feet above the Wanganui River, at the north end of the settlement . . ..Laye named it "The Rutland Stockade".  [and] kept careful watch over the township . . . aided by a gunboat patrolling the Wanganui River . . . Isolated incidents showed that tension was mounting and that, sooner or later, something would happen . . .When it came, it was a little short of ludicrous. On 16 April, a midshipman named Crozier from the gunboat was joking with a Maori, when he accidentally discharged his firearm, wounding the Maori in the cheek. The man belonged to a group which was friendly to the Europeans, and although he spread the word that it had only been an accident, others decided that this spilling of blood by a white man demanded utu. Two days later, an outlying farm belonging to a settler, J.A. Gilfillan, was attacked by five Maoris.  Gilfillan and his sixteen-year old daughter escaped but his wife and three others children were murdered. It was believed that this attack had been carried out, not by the relatives of the wounded Maori, but by others who hoped to incriminate those who were friendly with the Europeans. However the plan miscarried, for the five murderers were caught and delivered up to Laye by the very Maoris whom it was hoped to incriminate.   [Note: Laye's son, J. H.Laye was in possession of the axe which killed the Gilfilllian family. He willed it to a military museum -PP]. 
     Laye decided to waste no time and promptly set up a court-martial . . . They found the accused men guilty and sentenced four of them to be hanged and the fifth, on account of his youth, to be transported for life. On the 26th the sentence was carried out . . . .  
     The morning of 19th May began in the usual way  . . . Suddenly, in mid-morning, a sentry spotted Maoris in large numbers, some crowding the hill-tops, others running for the settlement. The bugles blew the urgent summons of the 'Alarm', the troops rushed to their posts, and a party of armed settlers galloped out to skirmish with the leading groups of the enemy. Down in the town the inhabitants ran to the fortified houses.    
     The Maoris pressed forward, forcing the mounted settlers to retire, and, covered by fire from the hills, seized some outlying houses and opened fire on the fort. The gunboat and twelve-pounders returned the fire . . . The Maoris came on with great gallantry, but . . . the defender's, fire was too effective  . . . Laye and Hardy kept their men to their work, and down on the river Lieutenant Holmes' gunboat provided effective flanking fire. . . ."  The Maoris gave up, and Laye reported in his letter, according to Bartrop, that two chiefs were killed on their side, but he suffered no losses." Above from Michael Bartrop's  To Face the Daring Maoris. Copyright.  
Barthrop, Michael. To Face the Daring Maoris: Soldiers Impressions of the FirstMaori War1845-47.  Toronto: Hodder 
and Strughton, (1979).
     Note: There are some discrepancies/differences in the account. Bartrop has the above version, but some internet sources states heavy losses on both sides- The Maoris, were absolutely enraged upon hearing the news [of Laye's expeditious legal proceedings] and attacked his stockade. There was much loss on both sides, but Laye's men prevailed. Laye and his 170 men were threatened by a 700 member war party urged on by the chief.  
  No point on the globe could be more remote and obscure, yet somehow this little clash caught Queen Victoria's attention and her strong approval. Gov-Gen Grey echoed her praise:  "[Of] . . . firmness of decision of which Captain Laye acted on this occasion, had saved the country from serious protracted rebellion." The secretary added, " I have it especially in command to assure you of the sense which Her majesty entertained of the firmness with which Captain Laye, 58th Regiment noted on the occasion of the attack of the natives on the town of Wangonui and of the gallant conduct of himself and the detachment under his order on that occasion." Ironically, Laye was never decorated or received any immediate promotion, but this action, and the queen's favor, was never forgotten.Both Laye, and his son- who would on the queen's staff, both became Major-Generals. 
Photo below from website link: (New Homepage)   
The stockade is now back to being a hotel again:  "The Rutland Arms Inn" found here:   Note- the Rutland Arms Hotel has a room named for Laye, "The Captain Laye Suite"    caplaye   (!)
Power of Attorney, dated 1871, London. Obtained with kind help of Mr John Young.   Link to document 
J.H. Laye mentioned often in Michael Barthorp's "To Face the Daring Maoris." Barthorp gives much attention to Laye, offering him as not only as an heroic and effective soldier, but a fine and decent human being, looking out for the welfare of his soldiers.  
       Above is cheating- From Second Maori War  No photography of first.See vessels to New Zealand 1845 time period
Affair at Mechanics Bay
With detachments of Royal Artillery under Major Laye, they held Parnell Hill. The other
Fencible companies were to hold their positions at Panmure, Otahuhu and Howick. 
Three Companies of the 58th Regiment, from Fort Britomart, were lined up on Constitution Hill, while another
 six companies from the same regiment, under the command of Lieut.-General Wynyard
  were sent to the head of Mechanics Bay, between the Maori landing place and
 Grafton Gully. The HMS "Fly" came up the Harbour with her guns covering
 Mechanics Bay, behind the war party.Hori recognised that he was out numbered and 
surrounded. He had no alternative but to accepted Governor Grey's ultimatum that they must 
disarm and go quietly back to their villages. The 
Ngatipaoa hauled their canoes across the beach and paddled back to Great Barrier Island. The 
crisis passed with no bloodshed or shots fired.
  FRANCIS GEORGE SINCLAIR LAYE, b 1853, Royal Navy in 1881 at Portsmouth,.m  Portsea  1882,  d 1884 at Portaferry, Down, Ireland Bu: Highland Road Cemetery, Southsea, Hampshire, England  I need to double check some dates here- since I show his having offspring 10 years after his death. 1884 is a correct death date- wife is listed as widow in childbirth
  AMY SELINA NUGENT, M Jun 1882 Portsea, b born 10 JAN 1854, Auckland, New Zealand, daughter of Captain Charles Lavallin NUGENT HM 58th Regt and  to Charlotte Marcia Dean-Pitt, fifth daughter of his Excellency Major General George Dean-Pitt, KH, whom Francis' father served under in NZ. Francis died 1884 at  Portaferry, Down, Ireland, home of the Nugents.  D age 30 1895, Isle of Wight - In 1891 living with her father-in-law, General Laye. 
1867 Sept   Cadet -nominated 
1869 Apr    Completed training in Brittania, issued First Class Certficates and Ratings as Midshipmen
1872 Nov   Midshipman of the Invinsible
1874 Sept  Acting Sub-Lieut to the Invinsible
1875 Dec   Acting Sub-Lieut to the Lively
1879 Dec   Lieut in "Her majesty's fleet"
1880 Mar  To the Excellent, for a short course in gunnery
1883 Aug  To the Tyne
1884 Feb  To the Crocodile
1884 Feb  Assignment cancelled  Appears rel from service, dies soon after Portaferry, Ireland  
  Frances Amy LAYE  b 19 Feb 1885 St Helen's Parade, Portsea  Times February 23, 1885, d 1886 Hambledon
Violet Selina LAYE  b Dec 1894 (?) Henley, Buried with or near F.G.S. LAYE, her father Highland Road Cemetery, Southsea, Hampshire, England
Jasper Theadore COX b 1886  m early summer, 1912 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire
  Vera E. COX b 1917  Amersham, Buckinghamshire ENG,
EDWARD LAYE  b Dec 1894 Henley, Buckinghamshire Berkshire Oxfordshire d December 1895
ROSE LAYE, b 3 Jan 1851, Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand, d "At sea, on board the ship "Vimeira", on the 25th April 1852, age 15 months  Rose, the infant daughter of Captain Laye, 58th Regiment." per newspaper "Southern Cross", 12 November 1852  Dead Link
Major General Joseph Henry LAYE, C.B., C.V.O.   b 4 Feb 1849 Auckland New Zealand,  d 26 June 1938 Dawlish East, Dawlish, Newton Abbot, Teignmouth, Devon England, UK  Myocardial degeneration -89 yrs old Mabel G. Martyn present at his death. Bu: Highland Road Cemetery, Southsea, Hampshire, England (See photo below) Last known address: 6 Pall Mall, London, S.W.   (1901 photo)   


 Anna Marie LEISHMAN, m 12 Sept 1889 St. Mary's Parish, Low Harrogate, North Yorkshire, UK to daug of John LEISHMAN, W.S., Edinburgh b about 1842. (She died 16 Jan 1912, age 70 yrs, Dawlish Cause of death: "Chronic Bright's Disease [kidney disease] / Heart Failure". Husband present at her death), This was Anna's second marriage. Her first was to Dr.Offley Bohun Shore, on 17 OCT 1861 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. He was a  relative of  Florence Nightingale. (See below)  Joseph in the 1901 Census was living in London, Kensington- no sign of Anna.
  Anna's first husband: Dr. Offley Bohun Shore, M.D., L.M., M.R.C.P. (b 21 Jan 1839, Norton, Sheffield, d 12 Apr 1911 Ealing), a relative for Florence Nightingale.  He may have remarried: An Offley Bohun Shore was married in 1887 at Westminister - her name may be Annie Wakefield.
Florence Nightingale SHORE, A.R.R.C.  b 10 Jan 1865 Stamford, Baptized: 30 AUG 1866 Holy Trinity, Clifton, Derby  d (Murdered- see below) 16 Jan 1920 Hastings  Nurse in 2nd Boer War and WW I- Decorated   FOLLOW LINK TO SEE MORE   Also Goddaughter of Florence Nightingale 
Urith Beresford Foye SHORE   b 9 Sep 1866 Ashbourne,  Baptized: 12 OCT 1866 Holy Trinity, Clifton, Derby  d 18 Feb 1915 Woking
Brig-General Offley Bohun Stovin Fairless SHORE, C.B., C.I.E., D.S.O. 14th Bengal Lancers Indian Army   b 9 Aug 1863 Stamford , d 26 Oct 1922 Pitlochry, Perthshire, Scotland.  Was a witness as a Lt in 1889 at his mother's 2nd marriage to Laye. Attended Royal Military College at Sandhurst  Mentioned in: Creagh/Humphris [= Short title] The V.C and D.S.O. : A complete record / Creagh, Sir Garrett O'Moore; Humphris, Edith M.. - 3 vols. - London. - 1924
Caroline Perry SINNICKSON Lt-Colonel Shore married 29 Jan 1908  Philadelphia to  (b 27 Aug 1870 Philadelphia PA. d 5 Mar 1957 Surbiton / Hampton Court Palace.
1849 4 Feb 1849 born Auckland New Zealand
1866 R.M.College, Sandhurst abut this time & Chatam Signalling First Class, 
1867 Joined 90th Light Infantry 1867 South Africa (67-79)
1869  20 July 1869 Ensign 90th L.I.  South Africa
1871 27 Oct 1871 Lieutenant 90th L.I.  South Africa
1877 Kaffir War, South Africa 1877-1878
Kaffir War, South Africa 1877-1878
Gaika War -Staff Officer -Present at operations such as Waterkloof and Perie Bush. Acted as staff officer to Col Palmer's column     
23 Jan 1878  Captain 90th L.I.
1 April 1878 Mentioned in Palmer's despatch of that date.
23 Jan.1879  Zulu War Promoted to Captain Fort Beaufort district 
24 Jan 1879 Present at Zunguin Neth
28 March  Zungin Nek,(Hlobane)
29 March 1879 At the Zulu reversal at Khambula and  decorated.**  (In Wood's Flying Column) 
30 March 1879 (Mentioned in Woods' despatch )
4 July Battle of Ulundi  
29 Nov 1879 (Despatches, medal and clasp and Brevet of Major) Commanding Officer
19 Oct 1879 India
1879- 1880 Served in India 19 Oct 1879 to 22 Apr 1880 with 90th Foot. 
1881 Major Scottish Rifles 1 July 1881
1882 Brother marries-  Francis George Sinclair LAYE June 1882 at Portsea to Amy Selina NUGENT
1884 Brother dies 1884 at Pontaferry, Down, Ireland - Francis George Sinclair LAYE, 
1887- 1889 India  6 Jan 1887 to 9 July 1889.
1891 Mother dies Emelia Maria Dean PITT (born 1820 d 5 April 1891 Camington House, Osburne Road, Southsea aged 70 years 
1889- 1893
1 Bn ,Scottish Rifles 1889-1893 at Aldershot  
1892  Wife's will made out.     
12 Sept 1889 Marries St. Mary's Parish, Low Harrogate, North Yorkshire, UK to Anna Marie LEISHMAN
1895- 1899 Assistant Adjutant General, Southern District 1895-1899       Father dies Major General Joseph Henry LAYE, C.B.  90 Talbot Rd, 3 Mar, 1895, 79 yrs.
1899- 1900 Assistant Adjutant General, Army Headquarters 1899-1900 April 1899- attended funeral of MAJOR-GENERAL J. W. BARNES. A newspaper article described "Colonel Laye" was one his friends.   Second Boer War occurring
1900- 1902
Director Adjutant General, Army Headquarters 1900-1902 London
Second Boer War occurring
1901 off as DAG 
1902 May   Vac temp appt as DAG on half pay 
1905 General Officer Commanding, Infantry Bde, Gibraltar 1905 as Major General   Acting governor of Gibraltar
1910 Maj General - Colonel of the Cameronians (Scotch Rifles)  
1938 Dies 26 June 1938 Dawlish East, at Marine Parade, Dawlish East, Dawlish) /  Newton Abbot, Teignmouth, Devon England, 
to the 73rd - Bengal India. Service: Served 90th L.I.  , ** "Captain Joseph Henry Laye's men charged 
down from the redoubt and opened deadly fire on the warriors in the cattle kraal....A few warriors stubbornly 
held their position in the cattle kraal, only to be 
dispatched by the bayonets of Laye's men." -Quoting John Young's "Dramatic Reversal at Khambula" in
  Military History. 1998-March link here:  _text.htm  
 Partial Service Biography at King's College:   Papers: 
  No papers have been traced NAMES Gen L D Pitt (grandfather); Gen J H Laye  (father)            
Was “ Deputy Adj General and Asst Equerry to Queen Victoria” 
One site mentions his friendship with MAJOR-GENERAL J. W. BARNES, and attending his funeral at:

"This Moustache Cup and Saucer was presented to Colonel Joseph Henry Laye of the Cameronians. Laye began his military career as Ensign in the 90th Regiment of Foot in 1867, and progressed through the ranks until he became a Major-General, and was Colonel of the Regiment from 1910 to 1918. Laye died in 1938, aged 89. In his obituary in The Covenanter, Colonel Aubrey Maude wrote:

            “We used to think of Laye as the best Adjutant in the Service. I think it was his    

              commonsense and kindly heart made him so, and carried him to the front.

             These qualities and a great knowledge of his work made all the Non-          

              Commissioned Officers devoted to him.    "  SOURCE


Have following in my possession- (purchased from British Library)
1. Letter to Colonel Sir Edward T. H. Hutton, K.C.M.G., C.B., A.D.C., from Adt General J.H. LAYE, on 
War Office stationary, dated 3 Dec, 1901, promoting Colonel Hutton to Major-General, and appointing him 
Commander of  the Military Forces of the
  Australian Commonwealth, requesting him to report to the Colonial Office.      
2. Memo to Colonel Hutton from Adt General J.H. LAYE, on War Office stationary, dated May 1901, 
about testing "Field glasses."
Refers to opinions to be polled from Generals Buller, French, Hutton, De Lise and Thorneycroft.
3. Memo to Colonel Hutton from Adt General J.H. LAYE, on War Office stationary, dated 31 July 1901,
  informs Hutton that a "gratuity" has been approved by the Treasury of 77 pounds for creating a revision of the
  "Regulations for Mounted Infantry 1899."
Moncrieff, Lt. Col John G. "Major-General Joseph Henry Laye, CB, CVO",   
    The Covenanter.  Vol LIV, No 2, 2002 (48-50).
Knight, Ian, Brave Men's Blood: The Epic of the Zulu War, 1879
    Stackpole Books: PA (1990).
Laye, Joseph Henry    Dates: 1849-1938 Occupations: major general
  Groups: Army Archive: British Biographical Archive   Fiche: I 672,3791607,434-436
 Title of Source: Cath. WW 1910 [= Short title]The Catholic Who's Who and Yearbook, 1910. - London. - [1910]                
Title of Source: Cath. WW 1930 [= Short title] The Catholic Who's Who and Year-book, 1930. - London. - 1930
Title of Source: WW Devonshire [= Short title] Who's Who in Devonshire. - Hereford. - 1934                    
Title of Source: WWW 1929 [= Short title] Who Was Who 1929-1940. - London. – 1941
Young John, "Dramatic Reversal at Khambula",  Military History, 1998
-  -  -  - John, They Fell Like Stones: Battles & Casualties of the  
   Zulu War, 1879:Battles and casualties of the Zulu War, 1879.  
   Presidio Press: California (1991). (Name appears in list) In this detailed work the author presents not only an 
authoritative survey of the war, complete details and casualty list. - Hard Cover - 126 engravings - Published in 1991 - 225 pp 
 This photo submitted to Keynsham Light Horse -  -a group dedicated to the pursuit of
memorials to those involved in the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879).   Highlights of Laye's Will:
Executors and Trustees: Mabel Gurnore Martyn, Herbert Garrett Davis, Rev Albert Hawkins, Gordon 
Hugh McMurtrie, solicitor:
"Full absolute control and unfettered discretion as to the disposal or otherwise of any and all Diaries Papers 
Letters and other
documents relating in any way to my late wife Anna Marie Laye or to myself." 
Mabel Gurnore Martyn: [A "close friend"] Order of the Bath, Royal Victorian Order, South African medal,
two swords, three small pictures relating to the Cameronian Scottish Rifles (Hamiliton). Gold signet ring
(she had given him), all jewellery (with a specified exception).   
Elizabeth Robinson: The Cottages Apsley, Pulborough in the    
County of Sussex, Portraits of his late wife and mother (Emelia 
Dean-Pitt Laye) . . . 
Grave of J.H. LAYE  Lt-Col John Moncreiff recently arranged for the worn stone lettering to be recut.
  Colonel Moncrieff had recently written an article in The Convenenter how his father, Lt-Colonel Douglas
  Graham Moncreiff, M.C., was inspired by Laye to join The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles). Buried with
  Laye are his Bible, crucifix, prayerbook, two "Zulu Sticks" and the Regimental Tartan Rug of the Scottish Rifles.
(The sticks and tartan was placed on the coffin during the funeral- requested). 
The Officers Commanding the Depot the Northamptonshire Regiment, (formerly the Fifty-eighth Regiment 
In Trust for the Museum of the Northhamptonshire Regiment 
          Frame with piece of one of the Colours of the Fifty-eighth
Regiment; his father Major General J.H. Laye, the elder's,
          Order of the Bath and New Zealand Medal; Wooden and Jade New
          Zealand Gods, the "Tomahawk with which the New Zeal-
          anders killed off the Gillfillan family"; miniature of  Major General 
          Joseph Henry Laye in his Fifty-eight Regiment Uniform and snuffbox, 
          property of the late W.E. Grant inscribed with his name. [I think this 
          snuff box belonged to Captain William Edward GRANT - 58th 
          Foot Killed in action 30th June 1845- Maori War, NZ. also: During 
          May through to July, the 58th Foot Regiment, or portions of it, were 
          constantly engaged against the Maori or rebel natives, some of 
          the encounters being of a most sanguinary nature. At the assault of 
          Ohaiawhai on the 1st July 1845, the Grenadiers and another 
          company under the command of Major Bridge, had one officer
          (Captain Grant) and 15 men killed, besides 40 men wounded. 
          [Historical Records of the 58th Foot Regiment by R. Wallace 
          Royal Artillery Institute at Woolwich:  
          Miniature of Lt. General Francis Laye in his Subaltern's Uniform of  
          1773 and large oil Portrait of him in his General's' Uniform and 
           photograph  of said miniature.
Major Douglas Grahame Moncreiff- Wright M.C. Elcho Park, Rhynd Near Perth, 
the Bronze Plaque with myself and General Davis.
          Balance: to friends, family and church
Copyright of the "John Young, Anglo-Zulu War Collection." (Used with his kind permission)
Joseph Henry LAYE is seated front left hand   Officers of the 90th Light 
Infantry include Major  Robert H. Hackett (standing second from left), 
Captain Aubrey Maurice Maude, aide-de-camp to Sir Evelyn Wood,
  (standing fifth from left), Captain Joseph H. Laye (seated at far left) and 
Colonel Wood (bearded, in second chair from right).   [Aubrey- later a colonel,
  died 1943- and had daughter Nancy Maude who married a playwright, Joseph 
Campbell. Hackett later, in an ambush, loses his sight- shot in the face. 
(Lt Bright killed in same incident)].
 Photo : Capt J.H. LAYE- with sword-(Courtesy of Mr. John Young)   'BW' photo-Source unknown
MAJOR FRANCIS GEORGE FENWICK LAYE,  25th (the King's Own Borderers) Regiment of Foot 
Eldest child of  Lt General Francis LAYE and Mary AIREY  b 3 July 1807 Leith Fort Scotland, bap 24 July 1807, English Chapel, Fort Leith Scotland  d 15 March 1881, age 73  at "The Thickett", Southsea  Cause of death: Paralysis 3 days, brother J.H. Laye present at death. 
25th Regiment, King's Own Borderers  
Upon a Saltire, the Castle of Edinburgh with mottoes In veritate confido religionis
                                                                  I trust in the truth of my belief) and Nisi dominus frustra (In vain without the  
                                                                  Lord)  all ensigned with the Royal Crest.
1801 Fort Leith, Scotland Born
1811-14 Fort Leith, Scotland With Parents
1817-     Probably this entire time with the 25th, stationed at Cork, but deployed in different area, 
      as this log of the 25th shows:
                      24 December 1818  march to Fermoy, marched on to new barracks at Cork
                      Dec 1819 help put out the Wise's Distillery fire
                 28 Feb 1820 Regt HQ marched to Templemore, arrives 5 March. .. parties detached [various] in  
                      consequence of the disturbed state of the country
                 5 Jan 1821 detachment to Roscommon until 13 June
                      15 April 1822 HQ to Belfastbut company and a half goes to Carrickfergus
1827   Purchases off ice of Lt.
1828   father Lt General Francis Laye dies  
1835   Colpe Church Meath, Ireland, 28 Oct , Marries Anne Maria Teresa  WALSH             
1836   Daughter Mary Ann born Farm Hill, County Meath Ireland -home of W. Walsh family
1837   Daughter Susan born Feb 1837 at Templemore Co Tipperary
1838   Dau Frances born Ireland Sept at Farm Hill Co. Meath home of W. Walsh family
1840   Daughter Henerietta born Ireland April 1at Farm Hill Co. Meath home of W. Walsh family
1842   Son Francis born Feb at Triton Lodge Co Meath
1843   Son Henry born Douglas (Braddan)  Isle of Man 
1844   Daughter Maria born Douglas (Braddan) Isle of Man 
1846   Son Frederick born Douglas,(Braddan)  Isle of Man 
1848   Daughter Emily born Douglas, (Braddan) Isle of Man. Wife Anne dies. Buried Braddan Church Cemetery
1851 Berwick Tweedmoth - Living with mother, Mary Airey Laye and his children 
1861  Lived at Alverstoke as Barracks Master with Anne, his wife and his children
1852   Tweedmouth, Berwick  Captain, Barracks Master 25th (King's Own Borderers) 8 Jan Marries Anne ROBERTSON, , . 
1853-? Perhaps Australia for a while./ India?? Married Elizabeth Patricia RAMSAY
1856   Daughter Henerietta dies at Bewick
1858   Daughter Mary Ann dies at Bewick
1862   Daughter Susan dies in March scarlet fever at Triton Lodge.  Buried at Juliantown
1876   Daughter Maria probably dies in childbirth in Edinburgh. Sister Emily Laye there.
1881 Dies at "The Thickett", Southsea
Note: Colpe Church now the Parish of Mornington 
Elizabeth Patricia RAMSAY   
a feminist:   E. P. Ramsay-Laye wrote "Women and Careers" in Englishwoman Review, 9, (Apr 1878) p 96 - 
On the possibility and desirability of married women having careers.
   E.P. Laye also mentioned: Jordan, Ellen, "'Making Good Wives and Mothers?'" : The Transformation of Middle Class Girls' Education in Nineteenth Century Britian"  History of Education Quarterly,  Vol. 31, No. 4, (Winter 1991), 439-462.   Died 1932, England. She must have married Francis when he was old and she quite young. While she probably inherited much, her family was already wealthy by way of  tea plantations in India. After his death she was a world traveler and adventurer, living  in India and Australia-and gold hunting. Elizabeth, wrote several books of notice,  Our Cousins in Australia 2061 (April  27,1867)    Social Life in Sydney   2009 (April 28,1866) and  ---- Her pen name was Isabel Massary. The first two were  reviewed in the 19th  century journal -"Athenaeum."See More on "Ramsay Page".   Ref also: Name: Massary, Isabel Dates: - mentioned: 1865 Occupations: writer     Groups: Authors, Book Editors Archive: British Biographical Archive Fiche: I 750,19 Title of Source: Kirk J.F [= Short title] Critical dictionary of English  literature and British and American authors / Kirk, J. F.. - London. - 1891 (2 vols         No issue
Also wrote: 
"Hearts or Diamonds?: Or was it an Error?" A novel 3 vols. London, 1870, as Elizabeth P. Ramsay
"Tales of the Daybreak" A novel London: 1884. as Mrs. Ramsay Laye
 "Our Cousins in Australia"  (1867)
 "Social Life in Sydney" (1866)  :.Last two reviewed in the 19th century journal -"Athenaeum":
2 Anne ROBERTSON, 8 Jan 1852, Tweedmouth, Berwick. Anne' 4th daughter of father of the late John ROBERTSON, of  Tweedmouth, Berwick on Tweed. Robert Airey, witness.  No issue  1861 lived at Alverstoke with husband.
1 Anne Maria Teresa WALSH    (b 1811 Ireland Died in giving birth to my ggg grandmother, Emily LAYE 11 Sep 1848, Douglas, Isle of Man.Bu: 14 Sep 1848, Braddan Church Cemetery  8 children. Had death bed conversion to Catholicism, Anglican re-baptised Catholic, by Francis, obeying his wife's last request). Married 28 Oct 1835 in Newbridge, Colpe Church County Meath, Ireland- but family Bible has ".1st July 1834 by Rev. Crawford" at same church.  
  Mary Ann LAYE         b 1836 Ireland   (Bible says: born 20 May 1835 at Farm Hill Co Meath at 1/2 past 7 AM,  Christened by Rev. J. Montgomery at Colpe Church Co. Meath on 2nd June 1835.  Hooping cough Sept 1838.  Scarlet fever March 1842. Measles April 1846.   In 1851 with father and grandmother in census at Berwick, Northumberland.  Not married.  Died 1858, Berwick              
Susan Louisa Theresa LAYE   Bible: "born 8th Feb 1837 at Templemore Co Tipperary (?) At 3 PM.  Christened by Rev Faulkener at Templemore on 26 Feb 1837.  Hooping cough Sept 1838.  D 13th Mar 1862 of scarlet fever at Triton Lodge, Wm. Dropheder (?) at ½ past 10 PM. bu Juliantown (?) Co Meath"
Frances Elizabeth LAYE Bible"b 7 Sept 1838 at Farm Hill Co. Meath at 10 PM.  Christened by Rev F. J. Murray Patten (?) at Farm Hill on 6th Oct 1838.  Scarlet Fever March 1842.  Measles April 1846.   1861 22 years old- living with father, stepmother and siblings at Alverstroke.
Francis William LAYE  b Ireland 1839 Bible: b 27 Feb 1842 at Triton Lodge Co Meath at 1/4 before 7 AM (?). Christened by Rev F. L. Murray Patten at Triton Lodge Co. Meath on 11 April 1842. Measles April 1846. "  In 1851 with father and grandmother in census at Berwick, Northumberland. Not in 1861 Census 
  Henrietta Catherine Shepheard LAYE b 1841 Ireland   Bible: "Laye b 2 Apr 1840 at Farm Hill Co. Meath at 1 PM. Christened by Rev F. J. Murray Patten (?) at Colpe Church, Co. Meath on the 20 May 1840.  Measles April 1846.  Died". Farm Hill is the Walsh estate.  In 1851 with father and grandmother in census at Berwick, Northumberland.  Not married. Died 1856, Berwick.
Lt. Henry Joseph Airey LAYE, 4th Bombay Rifles,  b 1844 IOM, Bap #1 1843 St George's Anglican, Douglas, on Aug 2, 1843.Bap #2: Chapel Saint Francis Xavier Roman Catholic, Douglas (Later St Mary's) on Sep 23, 1843 (Dates of baptism all seem a year off).  Bible: "b 25 June 1843 Douglas, Isle of Man at 1/4 past ten PM. Christened by Rev F. J. Murray Patten at St. George’s Church Douglas on 2nd Aug 1843.  Measles April 1846.  Scarlet Fever ....1847.  Died. "   In 1851 with father and grandmother in census at  Berwick, Northumberland. In 1861 Census: 17 yrs old, at home with parents at Alverstoke.   Later a cadet:  1861:Bombay ,  d 28 Jan 1866 at Tanua. Times 1 Mar 1866,  Ref website:
  "The Cadet papers are under reference IOR/L/MIL/9/xxx at the O.I.O. Collection at the British Library in London and cover the period from c.1789 until towards the end of the 19th century. This index only covers the period 1789 to 1859. When you look-up a name you will find the OIOC ref number and LDS Family History Centre film number, you can then go to your nearest LDS Family History Centre and order this film for viewing in that centre. This is much more convenient than going all the way to London from say Alberta" 
Cadet Laye Henry Airey  IOR/L/MIL/9/252/820-28   1952295    Reference  In 1869- Ensign in infantry- Bombay Army
  Maria Josephine Louisa LAYE  b1844-5 Isle of Man   Bible: "Laye born 23 Jan 1845 Douglas, Isle of Man at 1/6th past 6 AM. Christened by Rev. P. Weagrath (?) at Douglas on the 3rd Feb 1845. Measles April 1846."  Baptized: Chapel Saint Francis Xavier Roman Catholic, Douglas (Later named  St Mary's) on Feb 13, 1845. d Prob in childbirth 1876  -Emily Laye visiting around that time. In 1851 with father and grandmother in census at Berwick, Northumberland.  In 1861Census living with father, stepmother and siblings at Alverstroke.
William Lothian Hamilton, son of James Hamilton and Ann Nelson, on 29 August 1870, St. Andrew Sq. Edinburgh. Emily likely stayed with her while about to give birth to Hugh in 1875-  Father, Major FF Laye at wedding. Mr. Hamilton was a veterinary student. His father was James Hamilton, the minister of the congregation, and his mother was Ann Nelson. (Ann Laye witness & George Newton).  In 1881 Census, 3 generations living together- at Wellington St Park, Duddingston, Edinburgh, Scotland  James L.W. HAMILTON below- 9 years old with sister Theresa A.S. HAMILTON who is 5 yrs.  Their father .William L. HAMILTON 30 yrs,  is a veterinarian surgeon, and his parents: Ann HAMILTON mother 62 yrs, and his father James HAMILTON who is 65 yrs and the Chaplin Edinr Royal Infirmary. Where is  Maria Josephine Louisa LAYE?? Divorced? Likely instead died in childbirth after 2nd child 5 years prior. 
James Laye Walsh HAMILTON   b 8 April 1871, Leith Midlothian, Scotland 
  Theresa A.S. HAMILTON  b about 1876 Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland 
  Frederick LAYE  b 1846 Isle of Man   Laye Family Bible: "Frederick Laye born 11th June 1846 at Ballanpatten (?) Near Douglas Isle of Man at ... past 9 PM. Christened by Rev Bro... vicar of .... Braddan... on the 17th June 1846.  In 1861Census living with father, stepmother and siblings at Alverstroke.
Emily Marie LAYE  b 11 September 1848, Douglas, IOM. bap   Lambert Dwyer and Emily Laye  had "Illegitimate child" married to his brother, William Dwyer. Appears to have been a long term affair- each chasing each other back and forth across Atlantic. Other children may be Lambert's - Only evidence for Hugh.  Her husband divorced her- changed his name in the 1880 census from William to Thomas. Hugh lists his father as "Lambert Dwyer" on his marriage certificate. Lambert visited America, and Emily staying with her sister in Scotland, not far from where Lambert was stationed- Hugh born there, in Edinburgh. Hugh used to receive money from a "Bertie Dwyer" at Christmas- a good amount.In 1861Census living with father, stepmother and siblings at Alverstroke. 
Emily Remarried: to John PRINCE, John Prince (b about 1858,  d at age of 32 at 314 Porter Street, Detroit 7 Dec 1890. Accidental overdose of chloroform administered during surgery) He was the grandson of Hon. Col John PRINCE, alleged illegitimate son of William IV of ENGLAND and an actress. (Most prob untrue - but he must have been an impressive person to have people think he could be). Emily is  my direct gg grandmother. She died 23 Aug 1896 in Detroit MI as "Mrs Emily Prince."
  Hon. Colonel John PRINCE (hated by the citizens of Detroit, who placed a price on his head), -Famous or infamous for his ruthlessness at the Battle of Windsor


Colonel Lambert Francis Wilson DWYER b 27 April 1840, 7:30, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England -  d 2 Jan 1923 at 2 Clarence-Parade, Southsea. Parents:   Major General Thomas Peard DWYER and Mary Ann TOULMIN  Single as of 1891 -Was staying as a visitor for Caroline Cunynghame Dwyer, Bertie and Denys in 1891 in Portsea. Biologicalfather of Hugh Dwyer- my grandfather. Committee member (founding) of the St Moritz Tobogganing Club, on 17 Nov 1877.   In 1901 Census: Boarding - with his sister-in-law- widowed -Caroline Cunynghame Dwyer-Newly discovered (2006) that Lambert was in The US, arriving in Boston of the Malta on 4 Jan 1873.
17th Regiment, 106th -Captain H.P., Bombay Light Infantry, 
  St Hugh Simpson Gerald Toulmin DWYER 
b 18 Dec 1875 10:45 am, Janefield Parish of Corsorphine,  Edinburgh, Scotland. Bap St John's Episc, Edinburgh, 18 Jan 1876 Hugh born while parents were on trip, revisiting the UK. Also there is a retroactive American version ofa Birth Certificate. d 27 Jun 1939, Detroit MI Harper Hospital;            Blue eyes   FOR HUGH'S OFFSPRING- LINK TO  DWYERS USA 
  Gertrude S LAPORTE, 1895 Hugh DWYER'S Marriage Certificate To Gertrude LAPORTE (aka KEENAN)  Note his mother listed as 'SAGE"  A common error with copyists here and in UK- The slightest sloppiness will make the name "LAYE" appear as ''SAGE" OR 'LAGE'. Note "Lambert" oddly recorded here instead of 'William". Also Hugh here affirms to Scottish birth, contradicting his "US birth." WHY DOES HUGH LIST HIS UNCLE AS HIS FATHER?
  James Lambert DWYER b 1906 Detroit
  Marilyn DWYER
George Robert DWYER b 9 Apr 1898 Detroit MI  d Feb.1,1988 in Livonia.
  Elinor MILLER
  Sally DWYER  d Sept., 2001 in Michigan
   Charles T. HILTZ
  Charles T. HILTZ Jr. b 1951 died Sept. 2002
   Sandy HILTZ b 1956
  Robert Miller DWYER b Jan 25, 1929 
  Noreen O' BRIEN b Jul 2, 1936 
Michael Robert DWYER
Mary Ann BARNWELL  b June 29, 1959
   Megan Elizabeth DWYER b Nov 3 1993 
   Sarah Marie DWYER  b Jan 1, 1996
Patrick Gerald DWYER b Mar 1, 1960
James Kevin DWYER   b Sep 15 1961
Mary Ellen LYSCIK     b Aug 18, 1958
. Brady Alan DWYER b Jul 14 1993
. Brendan Conor DWYER b  Nov 10 1996 
Daniel Brien DWYER  b Dec 31, 1962
Shon Ann PILARSKI    b Nov 12, 1965 
 . Emma Elizabeth Ann DWYER b Sep 13, 1996 
 . Dylan Noah DWYER b Nov 12, 1998 
Brian David DWYER b May 7, 1967 
Marianne BRAASCH   b May 3, 1967 
. Gordon Robert DWYER b Apr 13, 1996
. Colleen Rebecca DWYER b May 2, 1999 
  Patrick Ellen DWYER  d 2001 
  Richard BELL
. Suzy BELL
. Johna BELL
  Carrie BELL
  Hugh G. DWYER
  Timothy C. DWYER
  Janet M. DWYER
  Douglas G. DWYER
  Matthew R.  DWYER
  Walter Blennerhassett Ramsay DWYER b 30 Aug 1907 Detroit, MI  d 23 December 1937, Northville, MI
Mona R. JURY  b 1909 Canada, Daughter of Robert and Anna
  Walter DWYER Jr  believe d 1976 Michigan
Thelma Marie DWYER June 1899, Detroit  d Oct. 3, 1968 in Los Angeles Ca
Robert MILLER  with Lowell Thomas m2 Dudley PORTER
 . Richard Hughes MILLER  d San Diego- mid-late nineties-  asbestos
 . Evy -------  - five children  
Robert L. MILLER, Jr, Killed WW II Apr 5, 1945 San Diego, taking off for Hawaii. -plane was over- loaded and crashed.
  Virginia Leigh MILLER
  Wallace CHRISTINA,  Air Force and served for twenty years and retired as a Warrant officer in 1964. Stationed in Calif., Michigan, Minnesota, N Dakota, Washington State and Clark AFB in the Philippines.
. Wallace CHRISTINA, Jr. 
. Patrick Christina 
. Robert Dayton CHRISTINA  d at birth
. James Lambert CHRISTINA
. Margaret Marie CHRISTINA
. Bonnie Leigh CHRISTINA
  Dora Gertrude DWYER b 14 Feb 1911 Detroit d 11 Jul 1998  Saint Clair, MI  
Walter McMAHON 
  Linda Marie McMAHON b 1941
  Susan Ann McMAHON  b 1949
  Donald WILLIAMS  
  Christopher WILLIAMS 
  Sherry Kathleen McMAHON b 1953  (Encouraged me in genealogy)
  Laye Blennerhassett DWYER b 1896 Detroit, MI, d Jan 1950 Detroit, MI  Detroit Police Dept. Badge 99    Sgt- Dispatcher
  Angeline RENOX   b about 1898 Detroit d 20 Sep 1976  bu Mt Olivet Cemetery, Father John Renox- Mother Anna Haddas -(Prussian)
 Donald Murray Hugh DWYER b 7 May 1924  Living Ret'd Detroit Police Department Detective, WWII Germany U.S. Glider Group
Peggy    2ND wife
Kathleen McDONALD b Sep 23, 1924 d Apr 1, 1987   1st WIFE & mother of children 
 . Katherine DWYER  b 9 Feb 1947
 . Dennis Raymond DWYER b Jan 1956 Detroit,   res Brighton
.  Christine  - - - -      div?
 . Kimberly Erin DWYER  b 17 July 1981 Brighton
 .  .
  Deborah Gerada DWYER
Brian John DWYER     res Rochester m to Carlin?
. Gerald James DWYER 
. Donald Murray DWYER b 31 Dec 1948 Detroit, res. Romulus 
  Joan E. TURNER b 1951
. Maureen Marian DWYER b 24 June 1954 Res Canton   Div?
. Michael Thomas DWYER b 17 July 1951 res Livonia, MI
  Anne Marie  - - - - b 1952
  Jeffrey Michael DWYER b 1982
. Patricia Ann DWYER b 18 June 1959
  Noreen Laye DWYER b 27 Aug 1928 d 22 Sep 1978 
  Harold POTTS
  Harold POTTS (aka 'Mugsy')
Daniel POTTS  b 9 Oct 1951   d 25 Jun 1980   heart attack
  Lt Raymond Gerald DWYER, USAF   b 26 June 1922 Detroit, MI  d 14 August 1943 Saline, KS   Plane crash- Crew killed on routine training flight   Never Married  dsp
  Mildred Elaine Veronica DWYER  b  31 Jan 1931 living
  Gerald Taylor WILHELM  b 22 Feb 1929 d 11 Aug 1965
Gerald Taylor WILHELM         divorced
  Allison Marie WILHELM b 1980  
  Taylor WILHELM
  Michael WILHELM  b 17 Jan 1960  d 15 Jul 1987, bu Holy Sepulcher, Southfield 10 192 11L  dsp
  Jerome Francis DWYER b 30 Sep 1935 living
  Helen Marleen TEETER of Chatam, Ontario, Canada
  Kenneth Jerome DWYER
  Cynthia - - - - - -
  Karen Elaine DWYER
  David Michael HARVEY
  Julie Ann DWYER b 31 Dec 1970
  Sgt Alan Regis DWYER b 11 Aug 1933 living WWII US Army,  Detroit Police Detective, Ret.
  Mary Carolyn PROCTOR
  Richard DWYER
  Craig DWYER
  Nikki DWYER
  Colleen DWYER   b  married   died  1998?
  Karen DWYER
  Kelly DWYER
  Mr. O'GUIN
  Beverly Jean DWYER b 17 April 1926 Detroit, d Thanksgiving Day 2002, Howell, MI
  Vincent Alexander PASKIEWICZ  b 17 Jul 1924 Plymouth PA,  "PASCAVAGE" on Birth Certificate. Corp US Marines:  Iwo Jima, Siapan, Tinnian, etc  Machine gunner, Living   Enlisted underage, quit high school, Drove delivery truck for father at age 12.   Confirmed 28 Apr 1933 St Gregory's Church, Bishop Gallagher.  Died Aug 17, 2007 Howell, MI.  Later made a cook in Marines after being wounded, -following in his grandfather's footsteps, who was a cook in the Russian Army, which we know what happened in 1917.
  Dr. Paul PASKIEWICZ, PhD 1948-
Dr. Judith Kleinbrook  (Dr Judith Paskiewicz, Ph.D)
. Jessica Kate PASKIEWICZ, B.S., M.S.  Bio-med Engineer
  Ross ELLISON,  B.S.,  Science Teacher  CA,   Mountain Bike Competitions,
  Patrick Edward Paskiewicz, BA MA  b Detroit, MI 1950-
  Susan Marie BROWN b Royal Oak, MI 1953 
Reid Brian Paskiewicz b Southfield, MI 1978 Motorola Technician
. Jennifer BREEDER 
Renee Valerie Paskiewicz b Feb 14, 1976  Livonia, MI  
  Christopher JOHNS  Res Portland OR
  Timothy James PASKIEWICZ 1952-1973  Viet Nam, played the trumpet, but people liked him anyways.   Never Married  dsp
  Kevin Gerald PASKIEWICZ 1954-Divorced Twice  No Children
  Thomas Joseph PASKIEWICZ 1957-Divorced   No Children
    LT William Simpson Brown Blennerhassett DWYER  b 15 Aug 1846 Portsmouth, England  d 1918 Detroit, MI  3rd West Indian Regiment and 1st Batt 5th Foot Northumbrian Fusiliers. West Indies, Jamaica. Left service 1870 William maybe was only an Ensign, since ADM files show nothing beyond that. But it is to be noted that the regiment was disbanded in 1870. Married 1st 4 Apr 1868 Portchester, England to Emily Laye. Divorced about 1880. Remarried Cornelia Moran in 1881. d 1918 Detroit, MI 
. Mary Ann Sinclair DWYER Daughter of Emily Laye Dwyer- above! b 7 Sep 1869 at sea -Jamaica. d 20 Feb 1941, Windsor Ontario, Canada  She attended All Saints and later St John's Churches in Windsor. Called "Aunt Coo-Coo" by Dwyers- Her father used to call her "My little coo coo." Daughter of Emily Laye Dwyer- above. This would mean that her mother was married to her husband brother. Her brother-in-law would be her step-dad. Have an aspirin.  Came to USA 1875 1900 census states.
. Albert K. PRINCE b Aug 1863 Canada, m 31 Dec 1913 Lake County, Indiana, 1890 in Detroit- brakeman with sister Constance, 1920 Living in Chicago  clerk for railroad,   [????1930 in Detroit w/ wife and son  -Seems to move to LA in 1930 with wife/child????]  Came to USA 1880.
Colonel Alan PRINCE, V.D., A.D.C.  b 22 Aug 1888 Sandwich, Ontario Canada d Unknown, after 1945. Was living in Detroit, widow, in mid-late 60's   Resided at 4523 Riverside Drive, Windsor.  Headed Windsor's Essex Scottish Reserve, which he organized. Awarded Legion of Merit from President Truman, conferred by Michigan Govornor G. Mennen Williams.  In 1936, Alan took a trip with wife (and a lady's maid) to Nassau on the S.S.Carinthia.
. Florence Elizabeth Reaume,  b Windsor 1889  daughter of Windsor's mayor - Must be a niece or some other way related to "His Worship,"  Arthur J. Reaume mayor 1941 - 1954. 
  Catherine PRINCE d14 Mar 1928 of cebebral abscess at age 13, student, b 1915  bu 16 Mar 1928 St Alphonsus Cem.,
  Lt John Alan PRINCE b c 1915 1st Batallion Essex Scottish Regiment. Was in the Dieppe raid on the coast of occupied France. Was missing, then showed up a POW of the Germans Attended Royal Military College, Toronto   Graduated from University of Toronto 1934. President, United Forge Company
 . Helen Louise "Mickey" JOHNSTON b 1918 d 7 Sep 1999 Windsor, St. John's Anglican Church Cem
 . John PRINCE   Twin:  b 3 Jan 1941 living Unmarried  Receive response to my genealogy query in the early 1980's. Appeared to work at a bank or financial office in Toronto. Did not have much data. 
 . Constance PRINCE twin b 3 Jan 1941  3 Jan 1941 "Connie" quite alive, (her death was greatly exaggerated here once) residing in Windsor, Ontario, Canada  (Updated Aug 2003)
 . Patrick MCNULTY  d August 6, 2003 at the age of 77
 . Mary Constance PRINCE  Lived in Amestb
  Louisa DWYER  b about 1869  (died before 1880) d Poss England  dsp infant
  Dora Mary DWYER 08 JUN 1871 Detroit
2  Dr Walter BLACK, DDS  m 2
  Jacob Pfeiffer  divorced   Remarried 
  Beatrice Phyllis Pfeiffer (After: BLACK)b 06 June1899 Detroit d 13 May 1993 Detroit  
  Edwin CRAVES   Professional dancer, along with Beatrice
  Edwin (Rod) CRAVES
  Julie CRAVES
  Ramsay Reginald DWYER May 1874 England, lived in Michigan and Ohio, d St Clair County, MI late 1940's.
Hortense GAGNON    old Detroit French family      No children
  Inspector William Lambert Laye Blennerhassett DWYER b 19 June 1874 poss England, d 2 March 1943 Detroit,  Blue eyes
  m 1 Bessie McPHAIL and m2 Mildred Schmieding
Grace Macmillan DWYER   d 8 mos old
  Duncan Ramsey DWYER b 24 May 1906 Detroit Visited me one unexpectedly day I moved into a townhouse- An interesting and fun person  (Story he met some molls- or girls of the Purple Gang somehow - and driving with them, of all things, they let him out since he had to go to the bathroom.  I have a very touching letter from his Aunt Dora about the death of his father.  Died age 85, heart failure in Royal Oak, MI.17 January 1993
  Evelyn KRENZ  d at age 70, CoCoa Beach, FL 
William A. DWYER  b May 22, 1937, U.S. Air Force, Korean War, Retired graphic artist. Traveled all over the world in sail boats and diving, Spends every week- end on his 37 Ft Sail boat in Galveston Bay, TX
 . Unknown 
. Heather Ann DWYER Self-employed graphic artist, Santa FE, TX  Three children 
Bruce Duncan DWYER b 1940  Retired from Dept of Energy, Washington D.C.,  Res Alexandria VA
Linda Myra HOFFMAN  Retired hospital administrator, Alexandria VA
    Kristen Elizabeth DWYER  Human Resource DC Area Married to DC attorney, Two children.
  Jeffery William DWYER   Now a detective, Richmond, VA
Contact:     Patrick Paskiewicz
Teach college USA.  BA  Philosophy, MA English Drama and Literature EMU.  Born 1950, before Al Gore invented Internet. Peddling ny completed book to publishers, Who Murdered Nurse Florence Nightingale Shore?, an investigation into the unsolved murder of English army nurse, Miss Florence Nightingale Shore, goddaughter and relative of Miss Florence Nightingale.  
Battled some renal cell carcinoma , but have good prognosis. Next project may look at another person on my tree, early feminist/ adventurer/explorer/writer Patricia Elizabeth Ramsay Laye. 




LAYE FAMILY UK  Connected by Marriages or Reference

EMILY LAYE   Dau of Major Francis Fenwick Laye, grand daughter of Lt. General Francis Laye

DIXON BROWN   Northumberland UK ,  Margaret Brown married Lt. General Francis Laye 1803.

AIREY of Northumberland  Lt. General Francis Laye married Mary Airey 1803    Also GILPIN, GOODEN, MULCASTER, BEDFORD (BEDFORDE), BARKUS, LAYE         

GILLMAN of  Portsmouth  LT COL BERTIE CUNYNGHAME DWYER married Beryl Maud Gillman c 1907.
ANDERSON  NICHOLSON  Northumberland  From Laye/Airey/Barnes Line
 GUY BURGESS    Spy for KGB  LT COL BERTIE CUNYNGHAME's sister-in-law, -Evelyn Gillman.,was the mother of this double agent.

  CLAVERINGS and FENWICKS   Northumberland,  From Laye/Airey/Barnes Line

Who Muurdered Nurse Florence Nightingale Shore   My book project

GREY Northumberland  Laye/Airey/Barnes/Clavering/

CASHER      Family of Beryl Maud Gillman - A Casher did the research, and I am merely posting it for him.

GILPIN Northumberland  Northumberland,  From Laye/Airey/Barnes Line 

FLORENCE  NIGHTINGALE:  SMITHS Her maternal side: For studying the Shores or Nightingale Studies  

BEDFORDE  BEDFORD   Durham, UK From Laye/Airey Line

FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE: THE SHORE FAMILY  Norton Hall, Sheffield of Norton Hall. 

General Thomas Peard Dwyer  Detailed Career


 Lt. General Francis Laye     Major General Joseph Henry Laye I    Major General Joseph Henry Laye II    Detailed Careers

PRINCE Essex, Ontario   Tied to ways: GG Grandmother Emily Laye married John Prince, grandson of Col John Prince, and her dau, Mary Anne Dwyer married the Hon. Albert Prince, M.P- the son of Col. Prince. (Yes, that's right).


HON COLONEL JOHN PRINCE, M.P.  A character. Reputed to be illegitimate son of an actress and William IV, notorious for killing American prisoner's of war in the Battle of Windsor. Detroiters put a price on his head. Popular in Windsor.

LT COL BERTIE CUNYNGHAME DWYER   Bertie won Grand National in 1887. "Bertie Dwyer, an English boy of 14  . . . did the fastest time of the race, the only rider to break the two minute barrier with 1 minute 58.6 seconds . . . [A] truly remarkable effort for any rider let alone a 14 year old" (23 The Cresta Run 1885-1985).


INSPECTOR WM BLENNERHASSETT DWYER   Detroit Police Inspector  Very incomplete  
KENNY  County Kerry, Ireland  Also, DWYER, TENT (BROWNE), COURTHROPE, HOARE DEAN PITT  Connected in two way. General J.H. Laye senior married Emelia Dean-Pitt, and Ensign George Sinclair Laye married Amy Selina Nugent, dau of Charlotte Marcia Dean-Pitt.
BUTTERFIELD / SIMPSON AND DUCKETT    LANCASHIRE and BOND E. P. Ramsay-Laye author/feminist pen name: Isobel Massary  4 books, articles, such as "Women and Careers" in Englishwoman Review, 9, (Apr 1878) p 96  -Arguing desirability of married women having careers.

Blennerhassett Kerry   From Dwyer/Hoare  Also  CONWAY, LYNNE, CRUMPE, O'CONNOR, HOARE, DWYER

LAYE Surname Study UK    For Genealogical Reference for all Layes



KEENAN Detroit/ Ontario  Sarah Keenan married my gg grandfather, St. Hugh Simpson Gerald Toulmin Dwyer in Detroit in 1895.

LETTERS OF MARY AIREY LAYE  Letters written by Lt. General Francis Laye's widow, pestering Lord Somerset, later Ragland, for an Ensignacy for her son. Letters to others, like Lord Hill and the Marchioness Winchester.
TOULMIN   London and LANCASHIRE, Mary Anne Toulmin Married to General Thomas Peard Dwyer 11 Apr 1839, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London    Includes: BECKETT, SIMPSON, DWYER, HARRISON, TALBOTT, DWYER CUNYNGHAME Photo Album
WALSH -Meath Ireland    Married to Laye Family Anne Maria Teresa WALSH married Emily Laye's father, Major Francis Fenwick Laye 28 Oct 1835 in Newbridge, Colpe Church County Meath, Ireland CUNYNGHAME Connection is on English branch of family. Captain Robert Hoare Dwyer married  Caroline Georgina Thurlow CUNYNGHAME
HOARE   Kerry  Cork   Connected by Robert Dwyer, father of General Thomas Peard Dwyer marrying Mary Hoare, 1744 Tralee, Kerry.   Also KENNY, DWYER, BLENNERHASSETT, BURNELL, GILPIN, NOTT, WOODCOCK, KELLEY RAMSAY Scot. Eng India   Connection is Major Francis Fenwick Laye married Elizabeth P Ramsay
OGLE Northumberland    Laye/Airey/Barnes/Clavering/Grey ASCENSION ISLAND Mini & partial hist of the RM commandants by Comm (General) T.P. Dwyer
PATERNAL ----  PASKIEWICZ   Plymouth PA/Vilna and Starynki, Russia (Старынкі ). DWYER Surname Study Detroit For Genealogical Reference for all Dwyers
PATERNAL ----  GRIZDIS   and many other spelling  Plymouth PA/Vilna  
PATERNAL---   MIKOLAYESKI  Plymouth PA/Russia/Poland PATERNAL ----  ZENKO   Plymouth PA/Vilna, Olita 
PATERNAL--   SINKIEWICZ or SINKCAVAGE Plymouth PA/Lithuania PATERNAL ---  RUZANTIS   Plymouth PA/Suwalki





o Place: Lt George Laye, 24th Regiment of Foot b about 1800 married 10 Nov 1826 St Peter's Church, Jersey Island  (Doc from Col Moncrieff)
John LAYE    b Unknown- prob about 1700 Investigating if Gen Laye had a brother- John Laye-  in 1765 Captain of Carisbrook castle, Appointed on 21st. September, 1765    Military man, rank unknown. Designed a Plan of the Town and Castle of Sterling 1740 Document dated 1725 - Several hands worked on this it seems.
Another: ?    Name: Laye, Henry Thomas Dates: - mentioned: 1823-1849 Occupations: naval lieutenant Groups: Navy Archive: British Biographical Archive Fiche: I 672,377 Title of Source: O'Byrne [= Short title] A naval biographical dictionary / O'Byrne, W. R.. - London. - 1849 (2 vols 
For other Laye family members, esp non-military, go to LAYE site link below.
    no whole books- relevant excerpts only 
Lt. General Francis LAYE –
1. Various Army Lists.
    a. Listing from “History of  Royal Regiment of Artillery” by Major F.D. Duncan 1879  
       London. Dates of service- promotions etc
    b. Army List 1818 List Major Generals
    c. 1822 Royal Reg of Art under Wellington and Oakes
   d.  another under Earl of Mulgrave,
   e. 1829 List of Causalities since last pub Officers of Royal R of Artillery
2. “List of the Officers of the Royal Regiment of Artillery by 1815” Greenwich 
      Chap XXIII No 3 Company of 4th Bat Now 8 Batt 2nd Brigade  Campaigns mentioned- Laye’s name    Mentions campaigns at Bunker Hill, Occupation of NY, Battle of  Whiteplains etc…
3. “The Book of Dignities” One line mentions in  
4. “BATTERY RECORDS for the RA by Lt-Col M.E.S.Laws Woolwich 1952”
 5 pp of legal size outlining Laye’s unity and others 1789-97 –On the continent
5. Registry of Will being executed – Leaving Mary Laye 10,000 pounds  (4-5 lines noted)
6. Church Registry of Marriage- Francis & Mary Airey 1805 St Andrews Newcastle upon Tyne 
7. Church Registry of Burial  Francis 1828 St Andrews Newcastle upon Tyne
8. Short Pedigree Laye family found filed with Index to monumental inscriptions at St Andrews Newcastle upon Tyne
9. Church Registry of Marriage- Francis & Margaret Brown 1803 St Andrews Newcastle upon Tyne
Major General Joseph Henry LAYE - -SENIOR
1.  Various Army Lists.
    -“Annual Army List Militia List and Indian Civil Service for 1871” by Col Hart 1871        London
    -New Army List by Lt Gen Hart 1881 London
     1895 Army List –death of Gen Laye senior
2. "Times" Obituary 7.3.1895
3. Extract from "History of the Northants. Regiment" by Guerney concerning the subject's activities in the New Zealand War.
4. Copy of the subject's entry on the New Zealand Medal Roll (WO 100/16).
5. Report on Officer's marriage. WO 25/2240  24 May 1848 Auckland to Emelia Maria Dean Pitt
6. Letter of Attorney dated 3 Aug 1871 –The original- (From author John Young)
7. Death Certificate Certified copy 1895
8. 58th Regiment handwritten list of officers with 7 scratched off as “dead”
9. Commander-in-Chief Memorandum Papers concerning the subject's Ensigncy  (WO 31/707).(The "Ensigncy" communiqués Mary Laye seeking Ensigncy for her son JH Laye senior)
25 July 1831 Somerset to Mary Laye
29 July 1831 Mary Laye to Lord Somerset
19 July 1831 Lt. George Gunning to Lord Somerset Re: Laye   2 pp Somerset notations
20 July 1831, Mary Laye to Lord Hill 2 pp
27 Sep 1832 , Mary Laye to Lord Hill 2 pp
23 Apr 1834  Marchioness Lady Winchester to Lord Somerset- behalf of Laye.  Somerset’s
20 Feb 1834  Lt. George Gunning to Lord Somerset Re: Laye 3 pp
26 Mar 1834 Mary Laye to Lord Somerset
26 Apr 1834  Somerset to Marchioness Lady Winchester Re: Laye
29 Apr 1834  Somerset in his own hand –to “My Lord” Re General Hill & Laye
      personal comments included (2 pp).
N.D.  [? M.G. Besuirde ??] to ? Re: Laye
Major General Joseph Henry LAYE - -JUNIOR
 Death Certificate Certified copy 1938
 90th Perthshire Army List with detail on officer’s careers
Major Francis Fenwick Laye & family
1.Henry Airey Laye Baptism Isle of Man 1843 (FF Laye’s son)
2. Research document from Isle of Man official re: FF Laye’s children baptisms
3 Baptism Registries- Catholic (Mother converted giving birth to my ggg grandmother –died giving birth. Emily Laye, (my ancestor), Maria Josephine Louisa Laye, and rebaptism of Henry Joseph Airey Laye.
4.Marriage Certificate Emily Laye & Wm S.B.B. Dwyer
5.Marriage of FF Laye and Anne Robertson 1852 Cert Copy
6.Death Certf of Elizabeth Patricia Laye- 3rd wife of FF Laye
7. FF Laye & Family – Census 1851
8. Marriage Registry of Maria Josephine Louisa Laye – dau of FF Laye 1870 Edinburgh
9. FF Laye Church Entry of Baptism  1807 Leith Fort
10.Emily Laye Death Certificate (as Emily Prince) Detroit 1896
11.Report on Officer's Marriage- FF Laye and Anne M. T. Walsh, Meath, Ireland  WO25/3239
George LAYE
George Laye’s marriage certificate to Jane Allen  1788
George LAYE  
Lt George Laye, 24th Regiment of Foot b about 1798,  married 10 Nov 1826 St Peter's Church, Jersey Island  doc- WO25/765   - 2 pages states marriage and 2nd page - joined army at 16 yrs- 1814 first appointment, America, disbanded- 53rd Reg of Foot, Africa, France, Spain with 53rd.     
John LAYE       conjecture
Francis LAYE     conjecture    Possibly 5 May 1721Westminster, London
 married 2 Mar 1750 Pontefract, Yorkshire
  found a Francis Laye, b 1812, Ireland, married to Catherine- from Ireland too- living in US in 1850 Census-Illinois Farmer  
To ID: 
Thomas LAYE, Royal Marines, married Elizabeth Smith, Portsmouth, 1832.
Augustus Frederick "Lay" married London, 1885,  

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Attn LAYE researchers:  This name, in Spenserian & old handwriting, often looks like another name- esp the "L" and the "y" which become distorted.    



Note an Ann Laye receiving a pension of 120 pounds in 1801.

England, Scotland, Ireland: Musgrave's Obituaries Prior to 1800, parts 3 & 4
Obituary Prior to 1800 (as far as Relates to England, Scotland, and Ireland), Compiled by Sir William Musgrave, 6th Bart., of Hayton Castle, Co. Cumberland, and Entitled by Him "A General Nomenclator and Obituary, with Referrence to the Books Where the Persons are Mentioned, and Where Some Account of Their Character is to be Found."
County: General
Country: England
Lay, Fra., 31 Regt., at Doncaster. 15 Apr 1789 , aet. 63. (E.M. 352; G.M. 377.)


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