All a phony "anti abortionist" can do is say something like "but we just
don't want do it like that", and instead argue for a cold, cruel darwinian
society where children are to left suffer, go hungry, cry themselves to
sleep at night and then they have the indecency to be against nonviolent
forms of birth control to prevent abortion.

darwin thinks the main reason there are so many abortions in this country is
that most people who are in the so called anti abortion movement are against
non violent birth control. It's not just that they impede the free flow of
non violent birth control, although this in itself has a devastating impact,
it's that every honest, decent, concerned citizen sees that the so called
anti abortion movement is a fraud, that they just want to spread hateful
rhetoric but just don't give a damn about preventing abortion.

darwin was really taken by surprise when some of the people on this forum
started to argue that it is just as important to protect a squirt of semen
as it is to protect a well developed fetus. The same people were claiming
that sperm has a soul, but that the egg does not. It is time for us to get
real, and do what it takes to get the public to care about preventing the
butchery of fetuses.

Best not to study from such anyway.Bribery seeking in exchange for Krishna conscious study sounds like a path to hell.

I remember reading some letters from Srila Prabhupada to someone who was always changing their mind about a sex change procedure,and Srila Prabhupada never condemned the person,but just said pick one and stick to it and get on with Krishna consciousness.Paraphrasing of course.

Hare Krishna

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Originally posted by Maitreya:
camille, were you living in the temple at the time or denied entrance upon application?What were the reasons that the Indian[read donor] community might object?
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i visited the temple for a festval, and was invited to come stay for the study course. then i returned to buffalo, packed my stuff, and went back to toronto. after supplying my
background info, i was denied staying past radhastami because of a birth defect. bhakti
marg swami extensively discussed with me how he was very worried the indian community would not like an intersexed person staying in the temple. as an afterthought he tried to convince me that he was actually concerned about complications from other associated medical conditions. the following week he changed his tune. if i had $ for him, i could stay in the temple. i politely
declined this bribe, considering it to be "contributing to the delinquincy of a major".

vdk, i live delibrately, being aware of the choices i make, and their resultant consequences. i could get i nice 9 to 5 job if i wanted to, but it goes against my nature to collect a pay stub. i got fired as a tutor once for preaching vegetarianism to the kids.

BTW very much in accordance with the thread - we are about aborting problems don't we?

For the cost of solar power, check out fuel cells. Hydrogen and oxygen. $10,000 investment powers a three bedroom house 24/7. I went top Spokane last week to see the new generation at Avista, the leaders in the field. That's where I bumped into Cheney.

Water is the toughest, almost ran out this dry year, but my many tanks are filling now.

I'm fortunate in that regard. Plenty of natural springs here in the Selkirks. I just filter it. Even midwinter the springs flow. Nice ice-climbing on some of the cliffs where the streams flow. Down in the valley is the largest natural lake in Idaho -- Pend Orielle. You may have heard of the naval base there -- lots of spooks and black ops in the water, submarines, etc. I stay away.

Maybe next year Ill groe something besides pottatoes and pumpkins, but the berries keep us quite busy, the farm here on olympic penunsula has ten varieties that we cannot pick fast enough (and we even planted some that are not wild).

I don't grow anything. I don't have the time nor inclination. There are lots of indegenous plants that the Indians and others harvest, but I'm pretty much a Costco devotee.

Since Im an ex pot grower (a very good one at that), I know tomatoes are similar, but the water problem at the end of summer causes trouble. But I have found that pulling the plants (like pot) and leaving roots intact allow green tomatoes to continue to ripen.

How 'bout digging a well? I thought the Olympic peninsula had tons of water from the 300"+ annual rainfall/snowfall?

Not much to do with abortion, but bbs description of his wonderland makes me want to start a farmers istagosti. Maybre next spring, we can start a series of threads to help each other out, i.e, off grid stuff, farmin and livestock tips, etc.

Amazing how these threads wander. ;^) I saw some posts of yours on Dharma Mela. Maybe I'll write something there if Rocana will tolerate me.

later, mahak

ps defense? yeaH, I SOLD MY GOOD GUNS, but I gotta log chute that puts me at the bottom of my hill faster that intruders can drive, then they have to deal with my iron spear, that I throw accurately from twenty feet from a stealth position. Not to mention my killer geese.

LOL! I hear them geese are real mean. My sister got bit by one. My best defense is isolation. Demons are pretty lazy and don't travel too far from the cities and roads. I just bought a Garand that I'm breaking in. I had to move out of Kalifornia when they outlawed my SKSs. Much nicer here in potatoland. Especially since they sued the Nazis for 6.3 million and will get that black eye out of our neighborhood.

Water is the toughest, almost ran out this dry year, but my many tanks are filling now.

Maybe next year Ill groe something besides pottatoes and pumpkins, but the berries keep us quite busy, the farm here on olympic penunsula has ten varieties that we cannot pick fast enough (and we even planted some that are not wild).

Since Im an ex pot grower (a very good one at that), I know tomatoes are similar, but the water problem at the end of summer causes trouble. But I have found that pulling the plants (like pot) and leaving roots intact allow green tomatoes to continue to ripen.

Not much to do with abortion, but bbs description of his wonderland makes me want to start a farmers istagosti. Maybre next spring, we can start a series of threads to help each other out, i.e, off grid stuff, farmin and livestock tips, etc.

later, mahak

ps defense? yeaH, I SOLD MY GOOD GUNS, but I gotta log chute that puts me at the bottom of my hill faster that intruders can drive, then they have to deal with my iron spear, that I throw accurately from twenty feet from a stealth position. Not to mention my killer geese.

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One day they were blowing the conche shell. The noise from the conche vibrated darwin's chest. darwin started
making the same noise in tune with the conche. darwin was screaming the oooooooooooo noise and it sounded like
it was coming from the conche and nobody noticed!

I bet Krsna noticed!
It may interest darwin that the sound of the conch is in c-sharp, the tone of the heart-cakra and is the original soundvibration which is sounded atthe beginning of the creation, OM. I am glad to hear that thinking about God makes you happy, it does the same to me. So we do have something in common, other than just living in the material world.

as a blindly rebellious youth, i usually put that out of my head. i considered myself not merely "pro-choice", but "pro-abortion". i beleived that the world was way too overcrowded, and abortion would help to keep the population down. maybe it could even give some extra $ to low income women, who could sell their fetuses for medical research. reading srila prabhupada's books, changed all that! from the SB classes i attended, i learned that the soul enters into the particle of male semen. BEFORE any conception.

on one strand on here, someone was asking for exceptions to the rule of no abortions.
duryodhana is a perfect example of an exception. dhrtarastra was warned to sacrifice his baby son, duryodhana, who was to be the destruction of the house of kuru.
vidura advised him, "one person may be sacrificed to save a family, one family to save a village, one village to save a kingdom, and the whole world may be sacrificed to save one's soul." this quote was
perverted in toronto recently to mean, "one
person may be sarificed to save a sinnyasi's
bank account." bhakti marg swami told me i couldn't live in the temple because some of the indian congregational members might not
like it.

thanks for the info on the $50 book, darwin.
i'm homeless!

My home is off the grid. Electricity comes from a hyundi deisel generator that runs when I charge up my 12-volt batteries. The whole house is 12 volt. Next year I will be installing an Avista fuel cell. No phone except my cell phone. I had a satellite phone but the company went out of business and the satellites fell from orbit (Iridium). Water comes from a spring on the mountain, year round pure water.

Do you park your car/truck and then hike to your house?

It takes about one hour without a pack on, two hours with sixty pounds. Elevation is 4000' above sea level. The property is surrounded by the Panhandle National Forest, so I am unable to build a road to it. In the winter I can ski down to it from the Mt. Schweitzer ski area. Then I have to snowshoe out.

Have you ever looked at government stereoscopic photos of your area using those special glasses things?

No. But I have topo maps that I'll post if I can find them.

You really get to know the area like the back of your hand.

It is a very beautiful area. Views of the Selkirks and Lake Pend Oreille.

How's the helicopter activity? Those super thin ones with all the machine guns used to just pop up out of nowhere at darwin's house.

Havn't seen many since Ruby Ridge. ;^)

You need to place a microphone on top of a hill in a tree. darwin used to able to hear cars on a gravel road more than 3 miles away. (with hills!)

darwin had/has post traumatic stress disorder from the locker room abuse and this has lead to off and on extreme social phobias, a mild to moderate agoraphobic behavior (not going out more than once a week), etc.

i have attention deficit disorder, and sometimes my brain is thinking so fast that ordinary mortals(cheers)can't follow my lines of thought.

darwin is 34 years old and has given up trying.

with millions of other websites that have discussion boards what makes you pick this one?

This is the only vaisnavas discussion board. darwin doesn't know how, but he has lost interest in talking to non-devotees. darwin's father is a sociologist, and he told darwin that when people have kids, they tend to go back to their family and church/society. When darwin's children were born, darwin just wanted to take association of devotees.

what do u hope to get from the vaisnavas?

As darwin posted on the topic;

Its like what Woody Allen said about relationships at the end of his movie "Annie Hall";
There's a guy who complains: "My friend thinks he's a chicken"
Someone asks: "Why don't you have him committed?"
The guy says: "I need the eggs."

the goal of the krsna path is not to fear god, although in the beggining some fear maybe helpful, ultimately it hinders us.

This fearing god doesn't work for darwin because darwin often fears that there is no god and that when we die we become non-existent. Whenever darwin thinks that god exists, darwin gets happy.

since you've spent some time at the temple you probably have heard, "prabhu, don't sit with your feet pointing to the deities," etc.

darwin enjoys all that stuff. Those are the fun rules.

once we start to develope love for krsna, though,
such rules will no longer apply. krsna's cowherd friends wouldn't think twice about climbing onto krsna's back!

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please post more about your lifestyle: electricity, phone, water, etc. Do you park your car/truck and then hike to your house? Have you ever looked at government stereoscopic photos of your area using those special glasses things? You really get to know the area like the back of your hand.

How's the helicopter activity? Those super thin ones with all the machine guns used to just pop up out of nowhere at darwin's house. You need to place a microphone on top of a hill in a tree. darwin used to able to hear cars on a gravel road more than 3 miles away. (with hills!)

darwin needs to work on camille's post now and will talk more later.