Is it ok to sacrifice fetuses to satisfy a celibacy fetish?

Is it ok to try to control other peoples genitalia by taking away non-violent birth control and using fetuses as hostages?

Why is he against non-violent birth control to prevent abortion? Does he think it's wrong to kill sperm? Does he think that when our dear president, for the last time, in a few days, ejaculates into the sink in the Oval Office, he is committing murder?

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Originally posted by Saffron Ranger:

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Dude........ are you high over there..??

Is this what mahaksadasa is refering to?:

mahaksadasa had written: "no tears to shed for salvi, nor for the miscreants he offed. My only problem is that salvi sniped them, a better way would have been to grab theircasses with giant forceps and slice-em til they are almost dead, then dump em in the chemical, and sell their parts to the BF Skinner/Margaret Sanger freaks. mahak Note to moderator, please dont kick me off for this post, I will remove with warning at simple request."

darwin replied: "mahaksadasa, Must you vent your hate and show your cruelty and then grovel and lick boots all in the same post?"

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Originally posted by jijaji:
Maitreya..

[b]Chill dude! I never said your stance was different than Prabupads.

I am chilled.Didn't you notice the smiling icon?

I would just like you to answer with your own words what YOUR position is .....

jijaji, I have been. It is murder!Plain and simple.No need for an essay, bro.

I pretty much KNOW your stance on abortion (same as mine) but please fill me in on your birth-control stance..OK

Okay. It is a question of degrees and a need to be practical in dealing with the totally insane out of balance 'human' society that we have going here.

Better someone uses a condom or the pill than to kill the child as it has already begun its development further.RU-486 is preferable to a"partial-birth" abortion.

It's like better to kill the animal at once then to leave it half dead and dying a slow painful death.It is that kind of unpalatable compromise that must sometimes be made with the Murgrari's[was that the hunter's name?] of the world.

I am not setting you up for an attack or anything Mr. Paranoid....

I never thought you were, but now that you have shown it was in your mind.....

And YES..............
ROE vs WADE should bloody be overturned.....

Thats a no brainer dude...

One would think so.Hear that darwin?

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Originally posted by mahaksadasa:
roe vs wade should be overturned for many reasons and abortion is a very minor issue in the matter.

I wouldn't call abortion a minor issue.Agreeing though there are other reasons.

The court defers to scientists, who claim that they do not know, when a being is human Life cannot be denied for even in the microscopic zygote stage, all symptoms of separate life are evident.

So the court remanded the case to the scientist, and the scientist could not define the issue, therefore, without even discussing brutal murder of a human being, the case should be thrown out.

This is the point.The scientists haven't a clue what life is.Same with those that see conception as the beginning of life,rather than life manifesting in human form.

There is also no federal precedent in making this their jurisdiction either, therefore it should be remanded to the state that brought it up.

There is no constitutional right to privacy.There is however a right to life that is God given and Federaly acknowledged by the Founders.

Not only should r v w be reversed, the judges that ruled on the case, pro as well as con, should be impeached for violating the US constitution that they are sworn to uphold.

Can the Supreme court be impeached?

Hey, I am free choice all the way, but choice has a point where your freedom violates the freedom of another, then, your choice must jive with the other one or you are a criminal, and subject to adequate and exact punishment.

A while back, someone accused me of being a hate monger because I said that baby killers should suffer the same fate they cause. So be it, call me what you like.

Its not hate it is just justice.Justice ultimately is the servant of mercy.Death penalty opponents make the same mistake in not understanding that life cannot be extinquished, so they lament the death of the crimnal.We know the death penalty is merciful because the karma will not follow soul into its next birth.

Prabhupada called abortion the most heinous of crimes, and he placed full responsibility on the male for allowing this. I hate abortion, but this does not ruin my ability to have compassion on the confused, street residing teenager who has no where to turn.

I can understand that.They are preyed upon by the pimps,pedophiles and the abortionists.What a crew from hell.

For my dear brother BB, the republicans have the power now, lets put them to the fire on their pro-life promises. Financing homes for unwed mothers is not a favorite policy of the GOP, but it does support Pro-life positions, as does the WIC programs, public assistance to a certain degree, etc.

Abortions go up when pro-life politicians are in power, abortion goes down when pro-choice folks are in power,so this proves that kissass rhetoric does not solve the problem, a combination of a lot of both liberal and conservative platforms will solve this difficult issue.

When have pro-life politicians been in power?Power means control of the executive judical and legislative branches.There might be some good ides surfacing from the liberal camp but basically it was they who brought us to 4,000 abortions a day.

later, mahak

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Chill dude! I never said your stance was different than Prabupads.

I would just like you to answer with your own words what YOUR position is .....

I pretty much KNOW your stance on abortion (same as mine) but please fill me in on your birth-control stance..OK

I am not setting you up for an attack or anything Mr. Paranoid....

And YES..............
ROE vs WADE should bloody be overturned.....

Thats a no brainer dude...

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PEACE NOW

The court defers to scientists, who claim that they do not know, when a being is human Life cannot be denied for even in the microscopic zygote stage, all symptoms of separate life are evident.

So the court remanded the case to the scientist, and the scientist could not define the issue, therefore, without even discussing brutal murder of a human being, the case should be thrown out.

There is also no federal precedent in making this their jurisdiction either, therefore it should be remanded to the state that brought it up.

Not only should r v w be reversed, the judges that ruled on the case, pro as well as con, should be impeached for violating the US constitution that they are sworn to uphold.

Hey, I am free choice all the way, but choice has a point where your freedom violates the freedom of another, then, your choice must jive with the other one or you are a criminal, and subject to adequate and exact punishment.

A while back, someone accused me of being a hate monger because I said that baby killers should suffer the same fate they cause. So be it, call me what you like.

Prabhupada called abortion the most heinous of crimes, and he placed full responsibility on the male for allowing this. I hate abortion, but this does not ruin my ability to have compassion on the confused, street residing teenager who has no where to turn.

For my dear brother BB, the republicans have the power now, lets put them to the fire on their pro-life promises. Financing homes for unwed mothers is not a favorite policy of the GOP, but it does support Pro-life positions, as does the WIC programs, public assistance to a certain degree, etc.

Abortions go up when pro-life politicians are in power, abortion goes down when pro-choice folks are in power, so this proves that kissass rhetoric does not solve the problem, a combination of a lot of both liberal and conservative platforms will solve this difficult issue.

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Originally posted by Maitreya:
jijaji,

I am glad to see that you are against abortion.So you then agree Rowe v. Wade should be overturned.Correct?

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jijaji would you mind answering this?

I have previously so many times.What is your point?Sounds like a home work assignment.

Let me add,after reviewiing the thread, if you kindly show me where my views are in conflict with Prabhupada's, I will gladly accept the correction.

You say you adopt Prabhupadas position...for claification could you simply state what that position is..? On both abortion and birth control.
Please understand many on these forums state that they hold Prabhupadas position on certain issues, but many times we find out later that it is their own unique interpretation of his position.
So if you wouldn't mind...could you state your position in your OWN words...
ON ABORTION & BIRTH-CONTROL?

I TOLD you my position,I adopt Prabhupada's.

I DID NOT say celibacy developes love for Krishna.What I did say is that it is "an AID to help us develop unalloyed love for Krishna."
KC householder life is the same.

At some point as we advance we leave off the desire to gratify our senses and are concerned only with pleasing Krishna's.Regulated sense control,even though uncomfortable in the beginning is an aid to get us to that point.

We all know the example of trying to light a fire while pouring water on it.

Celebacy is not a spiritual practice, so I agree with you. It is a negative restriction imposed selfishly, and, if artificial, just leaves one an empty cup and full of hate, which translates to mysogeny, child abuse, and many other evils.

Srila Prabhupada teaches that Krsna is sex life according to religious principles. If celebacy was something of greater emphasis, it would not be stated like it is.

Srila Prabhupada required control of ones desire to gratify the senses, not the rediculous notion that one restrain oneself. Jada Yoga or other mechanical means are not for this age. One may brag about celebacy, but desire runs rampant (Unless he removes himself from all sense objects, hardly possible).

The standard is to not go arould waving ones wand around like the animals, madly searching for the god of ORG. Genital organs are purposeful and should be utilized accordingly.

Birth control is quite easy, the zipped zipper approach works great (Tell em about it mahak, with your two year old and all, at age 50, yet), loving feelings are a universe away from the love of ORG, hell, even amoebas know that.

later, mahak