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Saffron Ranger
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IP posted 01-08-2001 07:34 AM            
"It should not be a soapbox for people with fascist leanings who won't be satisfied until a state policeman puts handcuffs on their genitalia."

Well, at least darwin doesn't have to worry about the police. They don't have handcuffs small enough for him!

};^)

darwin
Member
posted 01-08-2001 12:48 AM            
The Roe v. Wade decision was based on the right of the people to not suffer unreasonable searches and seizures as enumerated in the Fourth Amendment. It is a correct decision if the embyo/fetus is not considered a person.

A right doesn't have to be spelled out in the Bill of Rights in order for the Supreme Court to uphold it. The Ninth Amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Notice that it says that rights are "retained by the people". The government doesn't give people rights, it just hopefully does not violate the rights.

The Roe v. Wade issue should be about the rights of the unborn, not "state rights". It should not be a soapbox for people with fascist leanings who won't be satisfied until a state policeman puts handcuffs on their genitalia.

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Saffron Ranger
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posted 01-08-2001 12:13 AM            

Roe v. Wade Is Not the Law of the Land

Author: Greg Moeller (Constitution Party)

Roe v. Wade. This infamous U.S. Supreme Court decision that supposedly "legalized" abortion, is rightfully viewed with contempt by millions of Americans who respect the sanctity of life. Widely accepted as the "law of the land," it is held in large part responsible for the execution of over a million pre-born children in the womb in the United States each year. Consequentially, it has been concluded by many that until Roe v. Wade is "overturned" and no longer the "law of the land" that there is nothing substantial that can be done about "legal" abortion.



As tragic as these legal circumstances may seem, there is perhaps an even more tragic aspect to this entire issue, one that is born out of gross ignorance of the plain text of the Constitution on the part of not only the American public but even many pro-life legislators nationwide. What is it that has gone so wrong after all these years? It's simple. We have been lied to. Roe v. Wade is NOT a law at all, even less the "law of the land. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact, a fact that is easy to understand by simply picking up the Constitution and reading it. So, lets progress to reading a section of the Constitution that legions of lawyers don't want you to know.

In the very beginning, the Constitution reveals something that is powerfully simple in this regard.

"All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

Article1, Section 1 - U.S. Constitution

Legislative power is the power to make laws, change laws, change the meaning of laws and eliminate laws. Article 1, Section 1 clearly states that ALL legislative power is vested in Congress. All of it. Period. End of story. What does this mean? It means that federal courts, which are part of the judicial branch of the federal government, have absolutely no legislative power whatsoever. It means federal courts cannot make laws. It means federal courts cannot change laws. It means federal courts cannot change the meaning of laws. It means federal courts cannot eliminate laws. In order to do any of these things, the courts would have to possess legislative power; something the Constitution clearly states is vested ONLY in Congress. Now how hard is that to understand?

In light of this fact, something regarding Roe v. Wade becomes apparent. Roe v. Wade is not a law at all, even less the "law of the land." It cannot be a law, since it is the product of the Supreme Court, which the Constitution clearly states possesses no legislative (lawmaking) power whatsoever. So, if Roe v. Wade is not a law, then what is it? The answer to that is simple too. Roe v. Wade is a court decision and like all court decisions, it is only binding on the parties to the case. In this circumstance, it is binding on "Roe" and "Wade." No one else.

Now these plain and simple precepts that are derived from the plain text of the Constitution may go against that which is taught to law students in many law schools all across this nation. However, it still doesn't change what the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, actually says on the subject. It only goes to show how far a legal myth can be perpetuated.

Article III Section 2 of the Constitution also provides the Congress the power to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the federal courts. If the Congress so chose, they could specifically regulate the Court's activity to preclude ruling on cases that would reflect upon the rights of States and local governments to prohibit and prosecute abortion. Indeed, the Supreme Court is not vested with untouchable, unlimited power, as some would have us believe.

The framers were right when they placed limited powers in the hands of the judiciary. They felt that since the courts were not vested with either legislative or enforcement powers that they would be the least threat to our liberties. That still would be the case today, if there were not a bipartisan cooperative effort to subvert the Constitution in Washington D.C. and across the country. It again underscores the need to elect candidates to public office who will hold such judges accountable who would subvert the Constitution and rule outside of their proper jurisdiction. (What they can do to hold them accountable will be the topic of an upcoming article.)

Those who care about protecting the lives of pre-born children need to read the Constitution and learn the ground rules by which the battle can be won. The Constitution Party is leading that fight and is worthy of your support.

Roe v. Wade does not have to be "overturned," for those who defend the lives of innocent children to prevail since it is not a law at all. Let us all do what we can to expose "Roe v. Wade" for what it really is and start supporting only candidates who will do the same and who will help to restore constitutional and moral integrity to our system of government.


Maitreya
Member
posted 01-07-2001 05:04 PM            
Not good enough.Keep refering all personality type questions to Vdk.He has been a bad boy in the last couple of days and deserves it.

The blue is nice though.

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darwin
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posted 01-07-2001 04:14 PM            
Maitreya wrote:
darwin, please, new material.

What do you call the personality type of someone who wants to sacrifice fetuses to satisfy a celibacy fetish?

What do you call the personality type of someone who wants to control other peoples genitalia by taking away non-violent birth control and using fetuses as hostages?

What do you call the personality type of someone who will not be satisfied until there is a police station in every vagina?

Why is this personality type against non-violent birth control to prevent abortion? Do they think it's wrong to kill sperm? Do they think that when our dear president, for the last time, in a few days, ejaculates into the sink in the Oval Office, he is committing murder?

How's that?

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Maitreya
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posted 01-07-2001 04:02 PM            
darwin, please, new material.

darwin
Member
posted 01-07-2001 03:49 PM            
VdK wrote:
Darwin, all is forgiven. please have a look on the Ayurveda forums, in the thread on 'homoeopathic personalities'. One day you will find there your own. Tell me when you read one of which you say "that's me". Till then, read and be surprised.

What do you call the personality type of someone who wants to sacrifice fetuses to satisfy a celibacy fetish?

What do you call the personality type of someone who wants to control other peoples genitalia by taking away non-violent birth control and using fetuses as hostages?

What do you call the personality type of someone who will not be satisfied until there is a police station in every vagina?

Why is this personality type against non-violent birth control to prevent abortion? Do they think it's wrong to kill sperm? Do they think that when our dear president, for the last time, in a few days, ejaculates into the sink in the Oval Office, he is committing murder?

VdK
Member
posted 01-07-2001 12:14 PM            
Darwin, all is forgiven. please have a look on the Ayurveda forums, in the thread on 'homoeopathic personalities'. One day you will find there your own. Tell me when you read one of which you say "that's me". Till then, read and be surprised.

Saffron Ranger
Member
posted 01-06-2001 07:48 PM            
Do they think that when our dear president, for the last time, in a few days, ejaculates into the sink in the Oval Office, he is committing murder?

I think the first thing Dubya is gonna do is replace the sink in the Oval Office. Along with ALL the other furniture!!!

darwin
Member
posted 01-06-2001 07:31 PM            
Is it ok to sacrifice fetuses to satisfy a celibacy fetish?

Is it ok to try to control other peoples genitalia by taking away non-violent birth control and using fetuses as hostages?

Is it ok to not be satisfied until there is a police station in every vagina?

How can anyone be against non-violent birth control to prevent abortion? Do they think it's wrong to kill sperm? Do they think that when our dear president, for the last time, in a few days, ejaculates into the sink in the Oval Office, he is committing murder?


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Saffron Ranger
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posted 01-06-2001 07:21 PM            

Maitreya
Member
posted 01-06-2001 11:39 AM            
Yes, darwin live long and prosper.And stand up straight man,I'm getting a backache just looking at you.

Disagreements are ok, and play is essential.

You would,of course, do well just to accept my statements as I post them,but if you prefer the long road to the truth ,so be it.No real harm done, as we are all eternal anyway.

YS MC

Saffron Ranger
Member
posted 01-06-2001 09:10 AM            
quote:
Originally posted by darwin:
darwin would like to apologize for all the times he has insulted or teased senior devotees on these forums. darwin is about 33 years old and first came to our movement in 1988. darwin thanks all of the devotees for being so patient and forgiving.

Darwin,

Speaking for myself, I have never been offended by your posts. Perhaps in the beginning when I didn't know you. I have quite enjoyed the challenges you have presented to my own weltenshaumg. Not that I have really changed my worldview, but it causes one to ponder.

May you live long and prosper.

jijaji
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posted 01-06-2001 12:48 AM            
As a late comer to this thread I just spent time going over the postings.

#1.
Abortion will never be stopped by preaching celibacy because humanity as a whole is sexual and moved by deep biological programming to continue the species.

Now that is on a normal day.....

Take that and mix in KALI YUGA along with a lot of booze and 'X' and deep frustration in young peoples lives today..
What do ya get....
PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE A FLYIN F about tomorrow..
All they want is to get their ROCKS OFF NOW..! (hear me out please)

#2
Abortion must be stopped by education..yes condoms are being passed out in schools but so many of the kids are just not wearing them or being totally stoned on pot or X and drunk while having sex...and not wearing them properly, having them slip off during intercourse. It's like these kids think they are invincible, they won't get AIDS, they won't get there girlfriends PREGNANT.
Again EDUCATION...on many levels.
To think the massive problem can be addressed by preaching celibacy is totally out of touch with what the reality of the situation is in the world today.
Does anyone here honestly think your gonna covert the world today to celibacy. That is just idiotic and by the way ....
VERY UNVEDIC...!
Look at the abortion rate in INDIA..outrageous and it's all the girls! They go to ultra-sound clinics and get the sex of the child determined..they want BOYS not GIRLS. So in many many cases the girls are being aborted because of idiotic reasons i.e. a male can bring more prestige to the family, a male is capable of making more money, a male is a higher birth ..like that.
And THIS is going on in INDIA in a big way..!
Where the doctrine of the soul had its birth!
Where AHIMSA was BORN..!
And you think you can stopp abortion in the USA by preaching CELIBACY...??? GET REAL..!
The answer is EDUCATION and not about how to restrain yourself! You start preachin CELIBACY to todays kids and you will be looked upon as TOTAL GEEK ALIENS..!

#3
If we were to compare realisticly just how many abortions were stopped in the world today by means of birth control compared to those actually stopped by celibacy...I am sure birth control would come out on top.

Now PLEASE all of you don't get me too wrong here...when I said education I also mean learning spirituality and various yoga traditions, ayurveda, meditation, Bhakti, etc. which will help people to understand that there IS MORE than just material life.

So I'm saying rather than taking the fire and brimstone approach better to come through the back door...
But yes jijaji is for massive birth-control and jijaji is against abortion and all abortionist demons...which is most certainly the ugliest heinous crime in this day and age!
It freakin boggles my mind...there are dudes still in prison in TEXAS for being pulled over and having a roach in their ashtray.. while these vampire-like abortionists are allowed to run around with PHAT bank accounts livin it up...
I'd like to kick a few of their asses or better yet ....drive a stake through their hearts for only the UNDEAD could preform such horrific acts`!

jijaji

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PEACE NOW

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darwin
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posted 01-05-2001 11:03 PM            
darwin would like to apologize for all the times he has insulted or teased senior devotees on these forums. darwin is about 33 years old and first came to our movement in 1988. darwin thanks all of the devotees for being so patient and forgiving.


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