I do not see any devotee here as killing the unborn, nor do I see the abortion industry's spokespersons, who are really from the Margaret Sanger/Dr Joseph Mengele/BF Skinner view of life.

What I do see is a statement that one cannot prevent abortion, this has always been with us, the gruesome industry is the fearful problem (which also wants living post-birth matter for their cannibalistic science.)

What I favor is a government that is responsible for it's citizens, and as we are the government, we have this responsibility. Stop Abortion. Easy, just dont do it, do not recommend it, but most importantly, offer viable alternative. This means that a parent must say, screw the dad, you and your child may live here, we will take care of your child while you finish you school, or whatever.

It is overburdening to think of taxes being wasted on unwed mothers, but you rightists must admit that to deny this exemption to your greedy desire to have all that you earn for your own, then you cannot have it the other way, to save the fetus only and screw the child (and mother).

My point in speaking on this subject is to not fire the useless arguements between pro abortion and anti choice antagonists, this is a discussion about the choices of one with a child in the womb and the ones who must try to inform the world about the meaning of life, where it begins, what is the value of the human form, etc.

Rhetoric of both sides of the blind issue bores me to death because neither makes sense, nor does it make much sense to try to frame devotees who discuss this issue to be on any other side than that of reality.

My childhood life is one of millions that could be used as one of their examples.Unwanted, poor, neglected.These folks would have had me aborted "for my own good".

What they could not see were the subtle lessons I was learning through that school of hard knocks.

Or the fact that this form went on to be in the same room with Srila Prabhupada's.These ears heard his voice.I have had his remnants of foodstuff.My hands have held his books,these eyes that they would have denied me have seen his form and the forms of the Lord that he installed.This brain, though not capable, has been put to work trying to understand the truth he brought.

Just see how these do-gooders[in their own eyes] would have robbed me,or allowed others to,"for my own good".

Its just not our decision to make boys.Best we little humanoids stay in our place, and not play god.

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Originally posted by Maitreya:
darwin lost this debate on the first day, but he can't see it with that pink condom over his eyes.

Make abortion illegal.Kill all those that perform it after that.

That will take care of 99% of it.

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There is no reason you can't act to improve the quality of life simultaneously with stopping abortions.

Should all anti-murder laws be abandoned because some won't follow them?

The quality of life issue was raised by the Nazi's in the 20's.Their view was all disabled, blind should be killed as an act of kindness.Do the sick and aged have a good "quality of life".Krishna das Kaviraja comes to mind.

Where do you gods plan to stop in deciding who gets a human form and who doesn't.Do you realize you are accepting Margaret Sanger as your siksa guru?

I have been married to a woman who grew up in such a simple Indian background for nearly 2 decades and have met many others through this connection. No one here can even imagine the hardship they go through. Their story remains to be told. Just watch the movie 'Bandit Queen' for a glimpse. One day all those men who sanctimoniously judge the morality of these women will be shamed when they see what suffering they have been causing. I ceased to care about the morality of abortion when I heard the hardship of my wife and her mother's lives.

A real anti abortionist stands up for children's rights to get enough to eat, to get to see a doctor when they are sick, to have warm clothes and a decent pair of shoes to go to school in, to have a place to live with proper heating and a decent society to grow up in so their mother wants to bring them into this world.

All a phony "anti abortionists" can do is say something like "but we just don't want do it like that", and instead argue for a cold, cruel darwinian society where children are to left suffer, go hungry, cry themselves to sleep at night and then they have the indecency to be against nonviolent forms of birth control to prevent abortion.

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Originally posted by Jagat:
Abortions in 1973-774,600
in 1996-1,365,700

Abortions were only estimated in 1973. There was no real knowledge of how many were done. The American population also increased by 50% in that time period.

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Jagat,

I think you miss the point entirely.I took the 40 million from the same site that darwin refered to.

If it is 30 million or 50 million or 40 million or 10 million don't you see the horror of it?

It is mass murder in progress.

You stop it by stopping it.Directly.

The classic question people ask "Would you have shot Hitler if you had a chance, knowing what you know todat of what he would do." "Oh, yes of course, most of us reply."

Hitler was small time compared to this murder industry.

He just made more noise.

YS MC

40 MILLION abortions in the U.S. since 1973

40 MILLION abortions in the U.S. since 1973

Holocaust means widespread destruction.

We are in the midst of a holocaust in terms of abortion, and darwin wants to pass out more condoms and other birth control devices.

darwin, you are missing a link on this one.

How many murdered in the womb,in the U.S. since 1973?

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Originally posted by Maitreya:

Anyway it should be illegal and carry the death penalty for offenders.

YS MC

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Originally posted by darwin:
Abortions per year;

1996---1,365,700
1995---1,363,700
1994---1,431,000
1993---1,500,000
1992---1,528,900
1991---1,556,500
1990---1,608,600

from christianfamilyforum.com.

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Same source I used.
This is 2000 though darwin, mahaksa das said eight years and the context was since Clinton Gore took office.

So from 1992 to 1996 there was about a 7% drop.I don't call that drastic.Although even 1 is good.

1995 to 1996 it started to rise back up.

I don't have figures for the last four years, but I hear it quoted at over 1,500,000.It may be more it may be less.

But either way there is no DRASTIC reduction.It really is about flat.

Anyway it should be illegal and carry the death penalty for offenders.

YS MC

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Dropped drastically in the last eight years? What numbers do you have to back that up?

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Abortions Performed
in the United States;

1996---1,365,700
1995---1,363,700
1994---1,431,000
1993---1,500,000
1992---1,528,900
1991---1,556,500
1990---1,608,600

from christianfamilyforum.com.

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Originally posted by darwin:

darwin looked for anti abortionists not against nonviolent birth control to prevent abortion and couldn't find them. The only people he found with basic human decency, who were against all forms of murder, were catholics.

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The anti abortion priest darwin mentioned in an earlier post is vegetarian. He seemed to spend most of his time in jail. A columnist for the Boston Globe said that the jail should force him to eat hamburgers. He was against all forms of murder, including capital punishment.