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Author Topic:   How can we stop abortion?
Tarun Krsnadas
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IP posted 12-29-2000 07:49 PM            
Full STOP! Slam on the brakes! Emergency brake too!
Drop your transmission if need be!
We have to think, put our selves in the unborn baby's position.
Then recall, thoroughly examine & discuss the golden rule: "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

mahaksadasa
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posted 12-29-2000 06:00 PM            
no tears to shed for salvi, nor for the miscreants he offed. My only problem is that salvi sniped them, a better way would have been to grab theircasses with giant forceps and slice-em til they are almost dead, then dump em in the chemical, and sell their parts to the BF Skinner/Margaret Sanger freaks.

mahak

Note to moderator, please dont kick me off for this post, I will remove with warning at simple request.

Maitreya
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posted 12-29-2000 05:47 PM            
quote:
Originally posted by darwin:
John Salvi went crazy so I wouldn't have to.

He saw a giant bird in his kitchen.

We will do voodoo.


Ugga...ugga booga

darwin
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posted 12-29-2000 11:52 AM            
John Salvi went crazy so I wouldn't have to.

He saw a giant bird in his kitchen.

We will do voodoo.

Dhanvantari das
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posted 12-28-2000 02:14 PM            
quote:
Originally posted by darwin:
Dhanvantari das,

darwin is sorry for the way he spoke to you.


Hey, its cool dude. I'm sorry for my response. You are correct, tho, I am an idiot.

The reason I didn't write a paragraph was because I couldn't compete with Ann's writing. She is eloquent (as well as good-looking) beyond compare. My words pale in comparison.

Cheers.

darwin
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posted 12-28-2000 02:03 PM            
Dhanvantari das,

darwin is sorry for the way he spoke to you.

darwin
Member
posted 12-28-2000 01:18 PM            
You people have given up trying to argue, in your own words, that it's ok to try to control other people's genitalia, using fetuses as hostages?


[This message has been edited by darwin (edited 12-28-2000).]

Maitreya
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posted 12-28-2000 12:23 PM            
Nice article by Ann Coulter.Her views are usually right on.

I noticed darwin did not object to any point she made, so he must be in agreement with her.Good darwin.You are advancing.

VdK
Member
posted 12-28-2000 11:47 AM            
quote:
Originally posted by darwin:
Are you such an idiot that you can't write even one paragraph?

darwin darwin, why don't you take some nux vomica? you would be so much more pleasant, even with yourself, that it is worth the while trying and certainly worth the effort. However, if you rather be the grumpy mannerless idiot you display yourself as, that's your choice. Remember you got those sores? they come from acting like the idiot you do here, insulting whoever comes in your sights and Krsna certainly does not like that. If you had not noticed, I advise you it is highly necessary you do. You might end up the worse if you don't.

Dhanvantari das
Member
posted 12-28-2000 09:01 AM            
quote:
Originally posted by darwin:
Are you such an idiot that you can't write even one paragraph?

Attempting to reason with you is a lot like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes ones time, as well as annoys the pig.

darwin
Member
posted 12-28-2000 08:44 AM            
Are you such an idiot that you can't write even one paragraph?

Dhanvantari das
Member
posted 12-28-2000 08:27 AM            

If Americans support abortion, let's vote


Ann Coulter

December 28, 2000

It's nice to see that the feminist organizations have gotten their voices back after several years of radio silence during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Gloria Feldt, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, recently opined on the op-ed page of The New York Times that she is "frightened" George W. Bush will pay heed to the "partisan" interests of those who disagree with Gloria.



Liberals are always frightened by diversity of opinion. They think a fair way to decide passionately contested issues is for the federal government to issue uncompromising edicts giving liberals everything they want, and then to suppress all criticism of the edicts. The fascistic order, completely supplanting all democratic processes, is then known as a victory for "choice." As the Grand Inquisitor said in "The Brothers Karamazov": "They have vanquished freedom and have done so to make men happy."



That's what the Supreme Court did in Roe vs. Wade, and has repeatedly done in periodic codicils to its original edict. Just this past term, in Stenberg vs. Carhart, the court expanded the apocryphal abortion right to an all-new right to stick a fork in the head of a half-born baby. The first lunacy keeps being rewritten to give abortion enthusiasts everything they could possibly want.



Not only can't Americans of differing views vote on the fiat, they can't even protest it. Feldt demanded "vigorous enforcement of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act" -- in order for Bush to show "respect for differences," mind you.



Among the absurd consequences of this Orwellian state is that the proponents of the fascistic decree compulsively argue that vast majorities of Americans support the abortion fiat we're not allowed to vote on. But at the same time they demand that Americans never be allowed to vote on it. Never, never, never! "Choice" is under attack if Roe is repealed and we get to vote. Democracy is "frightening."



Ms. Feldt, for example, rambles on at some length about how much Americans adore the "right" to abortion. If this were true, she wouldn't have to say it. No one goes around insisting that vast majorities of Americans oppose monarchy. But Feldt argues the past presidential election demonstrated a "decisive voter preference" for abortion, since both Al Gore and Ralph Nader (both of whom lost, incidentally) were pro-abortion.



Using Gloria's logic -- typical when it comes to all abortion-related topics -- Al Gore, Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan and George Bush are all white men, which shows a "decisive voter preference" for white men. Among them, they got 100 percent of the vote, so I don't even know why Gloria is polluting intellectual commerce with her womanly chatter.



Except white maleness wasn't what the voters were voting on, any more than abortion was. Though she goes on to invoke the liberal's favorite debating ploy -- a poll! -- if Gloria and her ilk were so cocksure that Americans shared their enthusiasm for abortion, they would demand the repeal of Roe so they could prove it in the polling booth.



There are, of course, some things Americans aren't allowed to vote on -- such as whether to have a king. The Constitution is a short document setting forth a particular governmental structure -- a president, a bicameral legislature, a judiciary, and very, very limited powers vested in any of these branches of the federal government.



Among those powers, there is nothing about the Supreme Court or any federal bureaucrat setting abortion policy for the nation. There is nothing vaguely related to abortion whatsoever. You can read it yourself.



Merely to state the logic of the "privacy right" concocted in Roe is to expose its inanity. Writing for the majority, Justice Harry Blackmun conceded that the "Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy," but then he babbled on about the court or "individual justices" having "found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment; in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments; in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment or in the concept of liberty ..."



Any "right" that is that hard to pin down is a hoax. Still, from a "concept of liberty," and vaguely alluded-to "zones of privacy," abortion enthusiasts won a right to kill babies without the mess and bother of passing a law.



The abortion cases are a direct assault on the most basic "choice" citizens are allowed in a democracy -- the right to vote. Not the right to have your improperly punched ballot recounted 17 times in a bald attempt to throw an election, but simply to have a say about a pressing moral issue committed to the states by the Constitution.



Ms. Feldt drones on about "respecting differences" and finding "common ground" -- all in defense of an indefensible edict that stripped all Americans of the right to determine their own destinies by voting for the laws they want. Repeal Roe and let's vote.

©2000 Universal Press Syndicate

Maitreya
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posted 12-27-2000 12:46 AM            
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bhima-karma:

Dear Maitreya, all respects...
Do not deeper issues deserve primary attention.Are these conitions not emenating from a deeper place?

Yes, but that is not an excuse for neglecting to take action on this plane of manifestation.

Negative actions surely spring from negative thinking and feeling.But negative actions also reinforce negative thoughts and feelings.The inner effects the outer and the outer effects the inner.


I am not looking to argue but am honestly looking to understand. It seems to me that if we simply focus on being an ideal person ourselves, we will automatically act from a deeper place which washes away all of these problems simultaneously.
inquisitvely
Bhima-karma

Ideal person is not inactive.
One who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is intelligent among men, and he is in the transcendental position, although engaged in all sorts of activities.Bg 4.18

Arjuna wanted to withdraw to a secluded life and work on being ideal from within.But Krishna had other plans for him which included following his nature and engaging in practical work in society.

So to follow anothers path is dangerous.Some are inclined to a secluded life, some of us like to fight.I like to fight.If I remain silent I feel diminished as a man, no, as a person.

I would like to see the abortionist/murder stop by being enlightened,but if not then their heads should roll.

It is a multidimentional war, and no front is to be neglected.

Your thoughts Bhima-karma.What does your name mean by the way prabhu?

YS MC

Bhima-karma
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posted 12-26-2000 11:46 PM            
M:
It sets up a series of reactions that leads to a deeper hellish condition.

Prabhupada has taught that cow[mother] killers needn't receive their karma in a slaughterhouse,they can also be killed by their mother in her womb.So it is intertwined with animal slaughter.These demonic actions also contribute to war.These conditions make an orderly, progressive,societal wide move towards Godhead impossible.

Your thoughts?
YS MC[/B][/QUOTE]

Dear Maitreya, all respects...
Do not deeper issues deserve primary attention. Are these conitions not emenating from a deeper place? I am not looking to argue but am honestly looking to understand. It seems to me that if we simply focus on being an ideal person ourselves, we will automatically act from a deeper place which washes away all of these problems simultaneously.
inquisitvely
Bhima-karma

Bhima-karma
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posted 12-26-2000 11:38 PM            

It's like cutting off one of Ravana's heads. Another one will pop up and
you'll soon be chasing that one.

We should still try.


Try to what? Kill Ravana or waste time cutting off one more of his unlimited supply of heads?


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